The part with your dad was amazing, thanks for having him share his recollection of the story.

I find the Borg as a enemy force very interesting... that over time as they build on it, they become worse and worse. The more they use the Borg, the less scary, less threatening, more incompetent they become. How could they take such a scary, powerful and threatening force and neutered them to oblivion?

And the borg found the value of friendship along the way

Thanks for helping us navigate an exceedingly complicated plot.

What I found interesting in the Oblivion's Gate novel trilogy, is that it was mentioned that Borg drones have the worst breath in the galaxy, and it's something that I had never considered.

Awesome to see your Dad!

I'll speak to the Picard and kids point. I wasn't a Dad till I was 41, but occasionally had very lucid dreams of being one - typically a daughter - and welcomed the idea. BUT, when you're actually a father it's a very real and deeper relationship than any imagery I may have had. So, I buy the realization that Picard has as he bonds with Jack as his father.

The Borg have always been kinda vague. Remember Archer encountered them on Enterprise, but decades later Starfleet had no record of them? Picard had to ask Guinan who they were in their first meeting.

Q is back! Though I heard the scene was a little different originally... Jack: Now to face no consequences and enjoy myself in Starfleet. Q: Hello Jack. It's me, Q. Jack: Q!? My dad told me all about you. Aren't you dead? How are you alive again? Q: Your mere mortal brain cannot fathom the power of the Q... or the retcon! Jack: I can't believe it, back from the dead! Q: Come on Jack, you are in Star Trek. Death is meaningless. Picard's has died, Data has died TWICE, the borg queen has died at least twice too. You really think that I wouldn't be back? Jack: Ok, when you put it that way, that makes sense. So why are you here? Q: Well, it's time to finish putting humanity on trial. Jack: I thought you told my dad that he was off the hook for that. Q: Yes. Since Picard is now just a robot, I don't really care about him anymore. But humanity still must be judged. Jack: Well, what do you think? Q: Let's see... Humanity, after thousands of years of war and strife finally learned how to work together, solve many of it's problems; got rid of hunger, poverty, war, disease. Learned to embrace science, explored the galaxy all under the values of curiosity, kindness and morality. Expanded their minds and reached for the starts to try to become one with the universe. In fact, Picard learned to expand his mind beyond and show the potential of humanity. Most impressive. Jack: Awesome. Q: Yes - truly incredible for a race to reach such great heights in such a short time. I would normally gift such a race with unimaginable bliss and rewards but... Jack: ...but... Q: Then, in less than 25 years the Federation has turn into a pit of scum and villainy, murder and war is commonplace, torture is used, everyone is selfish and self serving, people have become drug addicts, Starfleet is filled with bigots and things like genocide are considered at a drop of a hat. I have never seen the fall of a race and watch it become a wreck of evil in such a short time. On top of that, you Jack are a scumbag, a terrible human being who is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people and almost destroyed humanity using the borg. Just absolutely stupid. Jack: That's kinda harsh. Q: I saw one of you eat car batteries. Jack: So... work in progress? Q: What do you think? Jack: Well like you said, it's Star Trek so death doesn't really matter. So who cares, do your worse. Q: Humans are so annoying. I think I'm going to go back to being dead.

The cube was only at 36%. They were using most of their resources sending the signal. They didn't have the resources like they had before Janeway put that virus in them

It makes no sense because it was retconned. They now have always assimilated. They assimilated in ENT. Which means the writers abandoned the idea that they make babies. Why is assimilation so hard to get? The first on screen assimilation was Picard.

Wouldn’t it have been great if the hive mind reasserted itself and killed the queen? The Borg would have been terrifying again. Back to it’s formidable TNG self.

Didn’t PIcard have children in Inner Light where he had a whole family and lived a whole life. He essentially was a father and watched them grow up. What does he mean he never knew he wanted a family? Didn’t he wake up and realize “damn I liked being a father”

The writers were probably having to jump through all kinds of loops to write this season hehe.

It looks like the show creators were heavily influenced, more than before, by Giger with the design of the old Borg Queen.

What happened to the Borg from season 2. How come they did not step in? If they were guarding the worm hole, then that means there is more to the story. A new enemy. I don't like how the Borg of Season Two where just forgotten in Season three.

We get the word "robot" from an old play, R.U.R., Rossum's Universal Robots. In that play, we invent artificial humans, but then humans lose the ability to have babies. Then the formula for creating the robots gets destroyed At the end of the play, two robots fall in love and the human believes that that means that the two robots will be able to have babies and be the Adam and Eve of a new race.

I wanted William Shatner to make a surprise appearance as kirk in this episode.

I thought the borg was done to death, I would have loved the dominion to get assimilated or something.

Time for the rare borg king

I think I have an answer. The Borg were not going to go on they were going to end all humanoid life that was why she says annihilate! She was past the point of going on that was not the goal. Extinction was the goal remember Vadics little speech to her people. Also the red door was the great spot on Jupiter which is mostly red.

1. Where did Jacks Borg outfit come from? 2. After the Enterprise blew up the beacon and swooped in to beam Picard and everyone out, why weren't they sucked out the hole in the roof you could see the enterprise through??

I agree; their whole plan didn't make sense. And there should have been some interaction with Seven. And why wouldn't the queen have wanted revenge on Janeway WAY more? She's the one that took down the collective.

Before they had to have physical on tact, now they could mass transport. The new borg tech in the starships can now be taken over like in season 2 Those are maturation chambers, bet it was from a world that got assimilated The alter dna in Picard was handed down to Jack, no Borg queen eggs

What about the Changelings? Crusher created tech to ID them in transport but it doesn't seem that would deter them for long after they had infiltrated all of Starfleet.

I suppose the baby drone was an assimilated baby. If you assimilate a civilization, you will have a lot of babies.

So I still consider Star Trek Online as "canon" to it's own timeline where Data's memories took to B4 and thus he lived on normally rather then the stuff that happens to him in STP, so I was brainstorming an idea to make sense of the condition of the Borg in Picard where they seem to be dying out, or at least as much as the Queen can tell, meybe she was cut off from the wider COllective. But for STO one idea I had was that the Borg realize this Queen was a major weakness, too flawed. THus they cut off from her before it's too late, and eventually she just dies out, the Borg do whatever they need to then somehow purge the nanovirus, and make a new more consistant Queen, who's more Borg like, and they basically changed tactics seeing how resiliant the Federation is, they resort to swelling their ranks with essentially growing clones with needed cybernetics, with them developing a nano virus that can let them infect planets over time. And assimilation is now simply used for collecting knowledge and info, and if the new drone doesn't have any useful info, well assimilated people make great for quickly bolstering a local force's numbers with how quick it is now. WIth nanotech quickly building basic needed components rather then simply capturing someone and taking the time to replace their body parts. Cause let's face it, assimilation is great for getting info and boslering local numbers of Borg, but as the sole method of reproduction it makes no sense, and we know the Borg clearly don't have reproductive organs for sex. So yah I think the Borg just repurpose axisting ships or people, or break captured ships or minerals from planets down into components to fuel somehow creating offspring liek cloning. Let's face it, if you don't need to fuck, you don't need to worry about genetic getting messed up.

Whenever I think of robots reproducing I think of the reboot battlestar Galactica. The only problem I have with Jack and the queen is when did the queen make that giant telepathy spear in the middle of that giant cube. She wasn't even able to keep the cube more than 35% functional.

What if picard is dying and he did not get the robot body and this was he's mind hallucinating before death?

Wasn't Agnes Jurati the Both Queen and provisional part of the Federation?

No you missed the point, listen to that conversation with the queen more carefully. She tells Picard that "You've rewritten our machine code into genetic code". This means even the fetuses inside the wombs will be Borg from the moment of cinceotuon. In the past a child birthed by a Borg drone was born as it's parent's pre-assimilated native species. The infant would then be assimilated immediately after birth. Then placed in a matriation chamber. Now the Borg will come straight out the oven ready to go, no assimilation necessary. This answers your second question. They don't need to assimilate, they can just insert their genetic code (infect) a planet and the people of the planet will give birth to drones. No need for any effort by the Borg. Just let the population of a planet birth your army for you.

Data did not defeat Lore. He assimilated him.

I really like your analysis of the Queen's being that of a jealous EX I imagine the degeneracy would be an interesting story to tell somewhat because this would follow after voyager's destructive entrance into the alpha quadrant. I think the reproduction is as referenced is simply in the spread of the DNA through biological means like maybe at the beginning of TNG the Borg literally have their organic components mating and then they applied the surgical modifications but then as they evolved through the years they learned of nanotechnology in order to do the more rapid assimilation of adults, maybe previously their technology really only worked on infants, and so that's why they had to reproduce that way. Then they moved onto assimilation of biological components and now the tech components are simply unnecessary and the spread of the collective can happen from parent to child without the extra steps of applying technology on top of the biologic. Now all they really need to do tech wise is modify transporters, and if they borrow Seven's nifty transporter gun, they could have very quick assimilation indeed. I think you're right when you suggest that the queen is tricking jack into thinking the collective is paradise, I think she could have figured out how unimatrix zero worked and leveraged that subconscious dream world in order to become the perfect trap. I will note that there are other drones still alive on the ship, but it's clear they are all weakened. I believe it's also stated that the Jupiter spot is the end of a conduit. Jack goes out to find the cube, but then the cube travelled through the conduit to get to earth.

Someone please explain Agnes Jurati! She's a borg queen right? She's a "watcher at the gate" with provisional federation membership right? Is there a video somewhere that explains the connection between the season 2 borg and the season 3 borg?

I thought in one of the TNG episodes with Q and time travel, that we got to see Riker in command of the Enterprise F. But here I thought the Enterprise F launched for the first time on Federation day. And since we now have an Enterprise G, that means the F is no longer around. So are the last two shows saying the Enterprise F was destroyed before it ever left Earth orbit?

Battlestar Gallactica remake predates 2049 as well...;)

Nice idea Poor Execution....

Wish they explained how she contacted the changelings. Plus how did her and only two drones threaten Vadic lol plus Q coming back as a asshole for no reason makes no sense

So did Janeway's pathogen turn the entire Collective into wimps or just the Borg on the Queen's cube? It was unclear if the Collective was also crippled.

Doubt Bladerunner and star wars are such an important point. There are only so many notes in a scale and so many chords when you write a song.

I am probably giving these writers with far too much credit- LOL... But it's talked about way too much now for Paramount to ignore it. If they do make this "Legacy" series. Meaning we see old characters But with brand-new adventures. I am ready for that. It's time for a new generation of Trek. My question is can Paramount do it for a 3rd time. (Original series, TNG.) They can't seem to make anything new. It's always going back, Never going forward.

I love the Borg as characters very good 😊

but this season is a step in the riught direction

Jack crusher : J.C ....

Last episode went to quick. The fight was over to fast.

terry trek what about piiard season 4

Quit overthinking it

I’m confused about the ending of season two and how it relates season to season three?

unm Q who they just assumed they reproduce.. first time they meet the borg.

What happens when borgs assimilate pregnant women?

Blade Runner 2049 being great scifi material? What are you amokng? And please, share. AIs evolving were show in GitS, STTMP, Isaac Asimov... and I am sure, in a lot more shows, books,...

I think you're over-thinking the whole thing. Respectfully, let's just call it an EXCELLENT story and move on. 😊

Can you tell me how the borg queen got in that condition?

Unfortunately, the real answer for all this vagueness and inconsistency is the same as it always is with a lot of new trek. Bad writing.

Nitpicker, indeed!

was the borg queen on her period?

It’s Q.. you can’t make sense of Q lol

whatever corporation owns "star trek" now has gotta ditch all this "retro" stuff and put some effort into the next show.. hire writers.. have a new story every episode.. actually TRY.

Fun to watch, but made no sense

I wonder what’s next for Star Trek?