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Born or Becoming Evil in Bosnia | The Chunter Basha w/ Billy Billingham | Ep. 4

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Mark "Billy" Billingham

Mark "Billy" Billingham

Күн бұрын

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@not-much-but-enough
@not-much-but-enough 3 ай бұрын
As a Serb I was bracing for antiserbian propaganda but I was pleasantly surprised with the honesty of this man.
@MKA-bk9iv
@MKA-bk9iv 5 ай бұрын
Surprising how people can turn evil so quickly true talk 😢
@aaron1143
@aaron1143 6 ай бұрын
True comment at the end. We do need to realise how much better off some of us are, compared to people in conflict zones. Great talk.
@matthewclarke269
@matthewclarke269 6 ай бұрын
I was in my late teens - early 20’s during the war in Bosnia. I remember it being the main news topic in the UK for a long time but far too complicated to have any real understanding of what was happening. I feel like it was only in the late stages of the war that the genocide came to light. This was in fact when the term “ethnic cleansing” was first coined. Billy didn’t mention it but when talking about how the perpetrators took advantage of the lawlessness and ability to commit crimes of murder etc but also up to 50,000 women and children were raped. I think this would have played a big part in answering the question of what motivated these people to turn on each other.
@milerale5286
@milerale5286 4 ай бұрын
you watched too much of bbc propaganda
@AGfrom83
@AGfrom83 3 ай бұрын
Shock and Awe is what I remember about that conflict. That was the headlines in the papers. And Slobodan Milosevic
@matthewbrown6105
@matthewbrown6105 2 ай бұрын
Gets me people think it was just the Serbs murdering and doing war crimes Muslim bosniaks did there fair share
@chuckforris8956
@chuckforris8956 2 ай бұрын
In Bosnia and Herzegovina theres a saying: "Comrade Tito you died at 305, at 310 we were neck deep in shit." Also flag shown at 31:14 is actually coat of arms of Kotromanic dynasty, medieval bosnian king Tvrtko.
@Rossboy2112
@Rossboy2112 4 ай бұрын
Huge fan of billy top guy ❤
@MrG77
@MrG77 4 ай бұрын
I went to Yugoslavia as a kid before the war. A place called Rabac. It was amazing and a beautiful place. The people were so friendly aswell,I will always remember Marina I think her name was ,who looked after the kids in the hotel. I often wonder what happened to her.🙏
@drmrovcenl9531
@drmrovcenl9531 4 ай бұрын
Rabac is in Istria ,Croatia,which luckily (geographical position) never experienced the horrors of war unlike the rest of Croatia. So mine gues is that Marina is fine :) cheers
@MrG77
@MrG77 4 ай бұрын
@@drmrovcenl9531 thanks for correcting me. I was really young at the time ,I do know we were in Yugoslavia and only know the place was called Rabac we stayed at. I never knew it was in Croatia. 🇭🇷. Happy to hear it was free from the war somewhat. I am 46 now so a lot of time has passed but it was a very beautiful place that I can remember for sure.🙏
@drmrovcenl9531
@drmrovcenl9531 4 ай бұрын
@@MrG77 oh i had no intent to correct u ,that was Yugoslavia before 1991.I was just pointing out that Rabac was kind of war free
@chrispreece2874
@chrispreece2874 2 ай бұрын
I went there too, when I was 14. Lovely people and a beautiful place.
@RossNaylor-uq4jp
@RossNaylor-uq4jp 5 ай бұрын
I had just joined my regiment as they were deploying to Bosnia talk about getting in just at the right time for some action and then after that Afghan and Iraq guys before me had nothing to do for nearly 20 years after the Falklands and here's me just joined and getting all the good fun depending on how you look at it I do now suffer with PTSD and anxiety and depression but I think it was worth it especially after 9/11 anyway thanks guys for a great show ❤❤❤🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿💪🇬🇧✌️
@Timur21
@Timur21 4 ай бұрын
That’s rough.. If you dont mind me asking, how did all three compare to each other in terms of “action” ? (bosnia, afghanistan and iraq)
@matthewbrown6105
@matthewbrown6105 2 ай бұрын
Bosnia was completely different scenario to Iraq and Afghanistan Bosnia our hands were tied and had to watch things happen. Things soldiers seen will never leave u and knowing u could of stopped but orders were given not to help etc Iraq and Afghanistan was conetic as it was us doing the fighting not being a peacemaker with no authority
@JelMain
@JelMain 29 күн бұрын
We can drain the reflex behind PTSD now. Go ask Sam, the SBS therapist.
@JelMain
@JelMain 29 күн бұрын
Let's give wider context. Yugoslavia was held together by the force of personality of Josip Broz Tito, with a certain amount of force. At a political level, the West had concerns about what would follow once he died, which happened in 1980. To the south, Albania was at a lower economic level under a rather more brutal dictator, Enver Hoxha, who died in 1985, and beyond that, Greece, under the rule of the Colonels until 1974, so the area was fairly new to de-Balkanised democracy. To the North, the Warsaw Pact was on its last legs, collapsing in 1989. Europe was fully aware of what was going on (I'd personally briefed Wim van Eekelen, WEU's SG, on the Warsaw Pact situation and the role played by Russia's need to finance its military behind that), so the policy of benign non-intervention, in accordance with the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, meant all things would come in good time. So, as Yugoslavia disintegrated, it was useful to refrain from overt intervention, allowing the dust to settle. As it was, Serbia, which considered itself the Orthodox heart of Yugoslavia, felt offended by the breakaway States, and started to become more militaristic about it, which is the point at which Billy picks up. Russia certainly had some political pressure in that, but recovering from the collapse of the USSR, lacked the influence to deliver. The militaristic approach locked the breakaway identities in, until the Kosovo crisis threatened the fragile Albanian economy I'd just restabilised.
@chrispreece2874
@chrispreece2874 2 ай бұрын
At one point, Yugoslavia was the Worlds biggest producer of landmines!
@mattatkinson1431
@mattatkinson1431 3 ай бұрын
Billy, what was the video you mention at 32:15? or is it book form? TIA
@theimpaler5034
@theimpaler5034 3 ай бұрын
I lived in Serbia from 87 till 97 I was in the Serbian army I had many operations in Serbia security counter reprise missions on Kosovo I respect the sas but there in the zone for a short time maybe three months I was there for the whole time o walk on the street in Australia and I look at a guy and I go he’s in the SAS iota just I suffered hyper alertness
@Franklin22sas
@Franklin22sas 6 ай бұрын
Billy, did you serve with many lads from cumbria.
@MrTangolizard
@MrTangolizard 4 ай бұрын
I was sent to Bosnia in the infantry under the UN the place was a mess but a very beautiful country and it was mined to fuck
@bigdav123456
@bigdav123456 4 ай бұрын
if The White Helmets "UN" are involved, Question everything.!
@Bosniak26
@Bosniak26 4 ай бұрын
Also UN helped Bosnian orthodox to capture unarmed peaople in Srebrenica, while they got every possible weapons from ex yugoslavia which was 4th military power and they let them do a genocide. Bosnian Muslims had to steal weapons from christians to start defending country, and they did, in 95’ america stoped the attack on christian orthodox in Banja Luka, if they didnt Bosnia would be fully Muslim country today.
@ihghjgh
@ihghjgh 4 ай бұрын
you mean Serbs
@Bosniak26
@Bosniak26 4 ай бұрын
@@ihghjgh nah, they are bosnians “orthodox” speaking Bosnian “ijekavica”
@ihghjgh
@ihghjgh 4 ай бұрын
@@Bosniak26 no. bosnian muslims were serbs before
@Bosniak26
@Bosniak26 4 ай бұрын
@@ihghjgh only people with oldest Dna on Balkan are Bosniaks, you are Turkish descendents
@Bosniak26
@Bosniak26 4 ай бұрын
@@ihghjgh there is no such thing as Serb, only country has that name, you have pure Turkish blood kine. Your grandmothers loved them
@truthseeker8273
@truthseeker8273 4 ай бұрын
Serbs basically went full Machiavellian in order to ethnically cleanse the land of Bosniaks and Croats. There was nothing they wouldn't do to accomplish their goals. Most people killed were Bosniak muslims though.
@matthewbrown6105
@matthewbrown6105 2 ай бұрын
Bosniaks did there fare share of killing aswell
@mattgrealis5407
@mattgrealis5407 4 ай бұрын
I live in Dubrovnik,bring Irish naturally interested in the history of former Yugoslavia,many tales in Bosnia and Croatia of cleansing,it was a catastrophic war with no real aid groups intervention from the western world.atrocities everywhere,a friend of mine photographed a lot of the Bosnian front and it was horrendous
@JelMain
@JelMain 29 күн бұрын
Apart from the demining operation in Croatia!
@The-Music-Archive
@The-Music-Archive 4 ай бұрын
Computer age, beep boop, file not found.
@pjconey
@pjconey 6 ай бұрын
The Serbians never forgot, nor forgave, the bosnians for what the did during ww2. They fought with the Nazis and slaughtered Serbian men women and children.
@huchotaimen
@huchotaimen 6 ай бұрын
Correct. History won't be forgotten.
@BrenCford
@BrenCford 5 ай бұрын
They haven't won many wars have they?
@acustomer3518
@acustomer3518 4 ай бұрын
and the croation concentration camps they were more brutal than the nazi SS
@huchotaimen
@huchotaimen 4 ай бұрын
Exactly.
@Jessie_James850
@Jessie_James850 4 ай бұрын
Not true.Croats were bigest victims in ww2 and census Yugoslavia did after ww2 shows it. Serbs had 735.117 people more in 1948 then in 1931 census. Croats had huge drop in population as result of genocidial politics of comunist and royalist Serbs during ww2. Serbs were only people in former Yugoslavia who had surplus of people after ww2.
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