Everyone (not everyone) is asking for the link to the tall aluminum stand, so here it is: www.aliexpress.com/item/4000920875095.html Keep in mind that smaller size is actually a different simpler stand that you've seen in the video.

Boro: why your drawing set up sucks Me: (looks at my tablet on my bed) Me: yeah

Me: *slouching* "You can sit straight, like a normal human being." Me: *not slouching*

You have to consider that you come from a digital painting background - you probably started on a screenless tablet and developed your skills on it. I'm traditionally trained and used to working with actual pencils, ink, paint... I struggled on screenless tablets but wanted to transition to digital anyway. When I bought my first display tablet my drawing quality and work speed improved tremendously. I guess I need to see the line as I draw it, where I draw it. It's different for everyone and I'm happy you found your dream setup :)

Boro this video broke me I need to lie down and rethink my life choices. Jokes aside there’s a lot of truth being spoken here! Well done! :)

Finally! The thuth been spoken. EVERY tablet needs a stand. Stands for blind tablets or I riot!

Personally I think there's a bit more to the display vs non-display debate. Some of it is definitely the urge to have the flashy new device, and I'm sure plenty of people even mistakenly believe they "need" one to do well, but many people also just never quite get used to the visual disconnect of non-display tablets and are more comfortable using displays. I think the idea that displays are objectively better needs to go, but I would say it's more about trade-offs and what is best for an individuals preferences rather than what is objectively best. I definitely agree with your main points though. If you are using a display tablet a solid stand that gives a decent angle is absolutely mandatory, hunching over anything for any extended period of time is just awful for your body.

Ultimate setup would be if tablet manufacturers got their head out of their asses and made pens for drawing instead of writing, current digital pens you can only hold like a pen, you cant hold it like your supposed to hold a properly sharpened pencil for drawing which is quite similar to how you hold paintbrushes, if they fixed this by making digital pens that work at extreme tilt angles then you could have a pen display almost vertical just like an easel so you would get the same ergonomics as drawing or painting with an easle which is the best way to make art both because of the viewing angle, the ergonomics and the pencil/brush control

Borodante: Why Your Art Setup Sucks Me: **looks at my crayola colours and regular office stuff** Me: I mean, I already know but, surprise me then

gotta come back and watch this whenever i feel the urge to look at the shiny super expensive display tablets lol

I made my company buy me the most expensive cintiq there is, "cause all big studios are using it" and "it's gonna look cool to clients who come in". I ended up hating the thing, I couldn't find a way to be confortable to use it longer than a few hours. I realised I was unconciously finding ways to just use my mouse, and that thing as a screen because it was just not ok. We sold it and I got the largest wacom intuos, a 4K screen and some super nice headphones.

I kind of disagree with this video, I used to have a drawing tablet, and the experience was good, but i recently purchased a drawing display and the experience changed completely, to the best. I'm able to control my strokes way better with a display than with a tablet, having the connection between your eye, your hand and the screen really, reeaaally helps (FOR ME). Now I agree that the posture is not the best one with the screen tablet, same as if you draw with paper and pencil, but there're ways to work on that so your posture is better. I think that each of the tablets have their advantage and disadvantages, so there is no "better than the other" , like this video CLEARLY intended to show.... A clear example is that I found myself having a bad posture even with the drawing tablet! So posture depends on the user and set up more than the tablet itself.

I think you make some good points, and it's great to see someone discuss ergonomics for artists. I personally cannot use anything but a drawing display - I tried and I couldn't get used to the disconnect between my hand and eyes. I settled on a Cintiq 22HD and have been using it for 7 years. I don't have issues with ergonomics because I've set mine up with an Ergotron LX monitor arm. But I can definitely see it causing some back and neck problems without the Ergotron.

I honestly have to thank him so much about the stand thing. I have a small graphics tablet and just propped a binder under it and it works wonders. Thank you so much!

I wish artists would let go of the belief that you need a drawing display. It really is just a preference and not a requirement. I've used both a display and a regular tablet, and they both work well. I just happen to prefer displays. If I ever got an Intuos or something, I'd definitely get a set up like this.

I have Huion display tablet Kamvas pro 13 back on may 2019 till few days ago. I don't really like using it as screen and drawing tablet at the same time because my posture will be bad and it doesn't really feel good. While using it like pentab and using good monitor feels better. Means that, I don't need display tablet and just good enough pen tab and good enough monitor with at least 24" size. Boro literally tell about that. Which is good. You don't need display tablet.

I use a little intuos for my drawing, nice and cheap and never had a problem one. I also spent a lot of money into monitor(s) and love them. Having two instead of one big one has also been a great boon, so consider that as well. You can keep your references open without sacrificing drawing space. I am grateful you made this video because sometimes I do get tempted by the drawing display that many drawing channels feature and are sponsored by. Thanks!

I am one of those traditional older artists that was taught you can muck up perspective looking and drawing down on a table, besides messing up your neck and posture. New subscriber. Been drawing on my computer for years with a mouse and just got my first drawing tablet and pen and just love it, but I really feel I need a stand to bring it up so I can see the huge monitor I have. Thanks for making this video. In art school doing fine art they always supplied artist easels, same idea as what you are communicating there.

I totally agree, I switched to a display tablet last year thinking it would make me more motivated to draw but it did the opposite. It feels so uncomfortable working on the 13" display with my hand in the way and leaning over the desk constantly, I tried everything to make it more ergonomic but nothing compared to using a regular tablet. I'm going to try a similar setup with 'duplictate display' turned on so I can look up at my monitor again. Just ordered an ergonomic chair too so hopefully that will also help. Thanks for another great video!

I bought an iPad Pro late last year, and from my experience of using a non-display Wacom Intuos Pro, and using the iPad pro, something I can add is that I feel like the non-display tablet is actually the most fluid experience, after you get use to the hand-eye coordination thing, which doesn't take long at all - ALTHOUGH: As someone with a more painterly approach, I actually find this to be the case for the non-display Intuos Pro because I can be fluid, and my hand isn't covering like 30% of the screen that I should be looking at. But, sometimes I want to have a more precise approach, sometimes including lineart to get a more cel shaded effect, I actually find it very arduous to attempt to line using a non-display tablet, and I think that display tablets are really handy if your style relies a lot on more precise strokes. All of us non-display tablet artists know what lining is like - draw a line, undo, draw a line, undo, draw a line, undo, draw a line, undo - is that good enough? Eh, undo, draw your line, undo, rinse and repeat until you get a line you're pleased with that follows your sketch.

Well, I have a Wacom Cintiq 21 and it sits almost straight, thanks to the stand it comes with, and it's very comfortable. I never lean on it and draw from my shoulder. My arm doesn't get too tired because the tablet isn't completely straight and I can rest on it a little bit. Plus, getting up every hour to rest and to stretch helps. Now, I naturally have a very good posture, which many people don't. I would recommend a non-display tablet like an Intuos for most people for the reasons you said. People are used to write and draw over the paper since forever and when transitioning to digital art, most people won't change that habit. Anyways, I've loved both my first tablet which was an Intuos4 small and the Cintiq 21.

i could never go back to non-screen display. being able to touch directly what your working on like a real pencil is so much nicer then using a cursor.

11:35 Boro: Raising your arm to draw like this would be a nightmare Michaeaangelo: Hold my Egg Tempera

9:20 Actually what I did was to use my drawing display as a drawing tablet at the same time. So you can see the strokes on your monitor and in your drawing display simultaneously, fixing both world issues with a good posture like you said hahaha I hope is a useful tip for someone!

I just spent the last several years using the Wacom Intuos Pro and saved and upgraded to the Wacom Cintiq 24 with the Flex Arm. I have to say you couldn’t be more wrong for me. My posture was fuuuuucked using the the screenless Intuos. Having the Cintiw has allowed me to work in a variety of ways no, my workflow has sped up and one major benefit I didn’t expect... I’m drawing way way more accurately than I ever have before

i'm 23 and already have back problems which have gotten increasingly worse since i started drawing 2 years ago, i currently have an ipad and when i saw that stand i immediately went to buy one, thank you for this video man

I am Japan 2D Animator. I want to say about drawing tablet vs drawing display thingy too. First. line speed(drawing display is winner). Japan animators incomes depands all about how much drawings you finish per month (called "dekidaka" in Japanese), and drawing on a tablet will slow you down no matter how you try to adapt to your settings. one stroke to finish one line, instead of two or more strokes and some ctrl+z, will mean more income for that month! And drawing display helps a lot when it comes to line drawing accuracy. But if you are a painter, not a how fast and super accurate can you draw line machine(like animators or manga artists), benefit of cintiq can be not that big of a deal. Second. back comfort(drawing tablet is winner). Yes I also think you are right! drawing display needs to raise your arm, thus will cause some stress on your shoulder and neck and back. And closer display can be stress to your eyes too(I recommend 120 nit brightness). These pains differ from person to person, but it is there. Actually some people mirror cintiq monitor to their second monitor, to display the same thing. and switch eye to the display they want for comfort and color accuracy. You will need one more display from your setup now, but this kind of (not perfectly but) solves this drawing tablet vs drawing display thingy.

I ...think... inclined tables such as those that animators use (also draftsmen, etc.) are like that because they're a compromise between laying stuff flat and completely horizontal which makes your drawings get distorted because of your position/perspective, and making them stand perfectly vertical which would be really tiresome and would make your arm, especially your shoulder, hurt so much.

Boro: your drawing setup sucks me: *realizes im hunched over my drawing tablet on my bed*

my only struggle with screenless tablets is my hand-eye coordination, but I know it'll be developed over time. the only reason I want to try a display tablet is for that

dude really got me rethinking my life decisions...

This is really helpful, and it's honestly cathartic to hear someone say it like it is. I've struggled with getting an ergonomic setting up and this is a really helpful perspective, thanks!

I wonder how much Wacom would charge me for a time machine, so I could have watched this video before buying a Cintiq that never made me happy.

I've been drawing on Wacom tablets for over 25 years and have also come to the conclusion a long time ago that drawing directly on a display is just ergonomically inferior to the separate tablet/display set-up. One other advantage is that you have a very clear view of what you're drawing versus having your arm and hand partly covering your work. I use a Kinesis Freestyle keyboard so that the two halves can sit on either side of the tablet in the center.

Him: your drawing setups sucks Me lying down on my back with my iPad balancing on a big ass pillow: yeah probably

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I felt like I needed to tell my big screen display tablet to cover its ears while watching this video 😂 Super good advice! Definitely changed my dream setup plans.

Once I've seen a video about a professional writer who writes on an iPad instead of a PC or laptop because he feels alienated when he's unable to touch the written words on his device. I can imagine that a display could function the same way for some people, so it's necessary for them to be able to work. For me, who was born in 98 and grew up with PCs and video game consoles (Chinese Nintendo copies), it is totally natural to draw on a simple tablet and see what I'm doing on a different monitor.

This was one of the most beneficial, honest and uplifting videos I have seen in a while. It makes so much more sense and I wish others would take his advice. I'm going back to an Intuous too as the drawing display monitors have just been missing something and the prices are insane! I would rather look straight ahead and work. The disconnect that so many talk about with the drawing tablets is only due to lack of practice and once you get comfortable with it, and get a proper stand,....you will never want the display monitors again. You can get a medium sized Intuous for a fraction of what those giant display monitors and as mentioned in the video,..take the extra cash and spend it on your actual computer monitor.

I bought a 16 inch display tablet and after 2 days of struggling I put it aside. It caused very bad wrist pain, my arms were in air with no support. Now I use a large intuos pro and my drawing and line art has improved a lot. I think my problems were mental and I really had believed I'm missing out. Unlike what I've heard the pen display didn't make me faster.

That's interesting and its true that drawing is obviously not the best thing you can do for your health (and just sitting in general). However as i'm working traditionnally most of the time i cant find a solution that would prevent me from bending at least a little bit. Except maybe an easel that would allow me to draw standing

What you said makes a lot of sense, ergonomics should be valued more when deciding on a product! Great insight, thanks!

as a traditional oil painter, I think this video is spot on about posture. I find it bizarre to see people drawing or painting with papers or whatever surfaces on a tabletop. That's what easels are for, so that you face your artwork straight and most likely wotk standing, walking back and forth (aka zoom in/zoom out for digital painters).

wow, you have really nailed this advice. I am 51 and just got into digital art. It is no wonder I find it so much more comfortable to sit on the couch and draw on my ipad rather than my cintiq 16. When I sit on my couch with my ipad I sit with my knees up and lean my ipad on my knees so my back is much straighter but it is still not ideal. I really need to look at changing how I sit at my computer for sure. Thank you for the reminder. T x

If You will go to WAR for Non-Display Tablets I will be more than glad to Join you 😁 Me personally love Non-Display Tablets, not only its good for you but also you will never be covering your damn screen with your hand 😅

Boro your setup is literally insane. Bonkers. You're too powerful and I respect you

You just summed up what I was describing for the last year to people that borrow money from banks just to buy cintique, if you get used to it drawing tablets are great and give so much freedom. Also I got similar stand from ebay, actually was considering the one you got but unlike you I do not go out to draw so I didn't need pocket edition, its aluminum and has gum so its nice. Also for the people with back and chest pain read this. I had chest pain and anxiety and doctor said it wasn't heart and send me home saying it will past in a few days, it lasted for 8 months and it was due to costochondritis made from bad sitting in chair at desk. If you like to melt in chair, cross your legs and put them up on table or sit like your moma told you not too, DONT. What fixed that chest pain, particularly pain in left breast area was visiting chiropractic and making my ribs fit where they should in the spine, after that you need to sit up straight and after 7 days or so you will forgot the suffering also breathing and heart won't have that inflammation anymore so no more anxiety caused by physical load (not talking of the rest of causes). I am talking about all this because that was the reason I was looking for the stand for tablet that I draw on, its biggest huion tablet and extending both my hands for it and keyboard also helped me develop back and chest pain. Three of my friends that are not artist also has similar problem and I think ist our bad posture and constant slouching looking at phones in inappropriate positions too but in my case was sitting. Still looking for that perfect chair that will help me sit better since I am short and most of chairs are made for bigger people.

This is one of my favorite videos of yours, you just look so joyous about comfortable drawing

Please give us the ali links! My back needs this rising stand very badly

That old intuos is just stupid big :D

I've got the Xp-pen 22-e for my desktop. That's more than big enough and can be adjusted so it isn't physically uncomfortable to work on. The only think I don't like about it is that it doesn't allow for multitouch controls. And I find it difficult to go back to it after getting so used to the i-pad. All I do with the Ipad is fold the flip sheeth over a padded laptop rest and lean that on my legs if I'm on the go. Basically how you'd use a sketchbook. Or I put it on my actual drawing desk and adjust it the way I would with paper. Drawing displays definitely aren't just a marketing fad. There's absolutely no way I could go back to using an old tablet design. Being able to see where you're drawing is always going to be a big plus, but with the interaction that something like an ipad gives you, being able to quickly resize and rotate your canvas. It's bringing the best parts about traditional media to the best parts of digital. If I could get a display that worked as well as the ipad in the 22inch form factor for my PC, I'd never look back.

Me, who doesn't have a stand for my drawing tablet: *My pain...is far more greater than yours!*

You are so right Boro. Unfortunately I don't think people are going to get it until they feel the pain and discomfort from bad ergonomic set ups. I feel so much better and more productive since I switched from a drawing display (now my 2nd monitor) to a large Intuos drawing tablet.

I would definitely disagree that this kind of set-up with a non-display tablet is "objectively" better, because that assumes that all humans are exactly the same in terms of their biology, visual/spacial perception, personal comfort, workflow, etc. I'm glad this set-up works well for you (and that you've finally found it after years of struggling with ways that were wrong for you), but for me, getting my Cintiq was a game-changer not only for my artwork, but also for my efficiency, engagement with the work itself, and yes, even my posture. :-) I used Wacom non-display tablets for fifteen years before I got my Cintiq 22HD in 2015, so I have plenty of experience with both types of tools, but just having the direct hand-eye connection with my brush strokes alone was well worth the changeover to the Cintiq. I have it mounted to an Ergotron monitor arm that I can move, tilt, and rotate in whatever way feels comfortable. I usually have it pulled all the way up to the edge of my desk and tilted to about a 45 degree angle, and I find that infinitely more comfortable that when I used to work on my Intuos tablet.

I think display tablets with a standing desk or a stand with the correct height are just fine. The only reaso I don't stick with a non-display tablet is because my work currently goes straight to print, so a small display tablet more accurately reflects what someone is going to see. Also when I use a non-display tablet, I have the urge to just zoom in constantly to get at those minor details and make everything perfect rather than realize like nobody is going to see those things.

This is by far the best video on ergonomics for digital artists i've watched.

Defintely understand thinking you "need" a drawing display, but honestly I just can't get past how long it takes me to draw something on a tablet vs drawing on paper. It may be the size of the tablet or the way I set it up but learning the hand eye coordination has been rough.

I find screenless tablets better as well. It's good for posture, your hand doesn't cover up the screen, you can stick a piece of paper to it for better texture and still work normally and personally I had no issues adjusting my workflow. Just recently I switched back to a screenless after using ipad pro 2018 for a few months, since, apart from losing in the ways I mentioned before, its pressure sensitivity was much more rigid, I had to charge everything all the time and I had no additional keyboard or screen protectors, meaning I had to give up using shortcuts and work with a very glossy screen. Ig it is very subjectivea, seeing how a few people commented on how they had difficulties working the way you have to with a screenless tablet, but if you're looking for what to get I'd still advise you to give them your best shot before you completely dismiss it.

I think the only thing I would contend with is that having a screen display tablet works really well for hand drawn animation. When it comes to doing tight inbetweens, it helps to have your hand right in front of your for that needed precision. When I'm loosely drawing or painting however, looking up at the main monitor seems to do the job just fine.

Your setup is so cursed. It feels like a fever dream. I like it

"You can sit straight... like a normal human being." :D

Thank you for saying this! I'm just a hobby artist but i have felt intuitively that digital displays are not ideal for me, but I was totally falling for it just because it looks cooler, i guess? I do hope that all the new stuff is driving down the price of regular tablets a little so I could actually afford one and just buy a used ipad or something when i feel like experimenting

totally agree. I have one of those yoga laptops with wacom pen and I was really happy painting on it. But one day, I decided to switch to an old wacom bamboo tablet, and man...is a relief for my back!

Wow this video is so refreshing - Thank you! And perfect timing....I was getting swept up in the marking BS out there when I already have an Intuos 4 and was considering alternative. Then I saw your video and also remembered a Zbrush artist mentioning the same argument as you, that display tablets cause body pain and injuries over time and he also mentioned you lose the advantage of seeing your hole drawing / sculpture without the hand obscuring parts of the picture. In a way, regular “old” drawing tablets just may be the real magic of digital art - They allow us to pick our perfect display and setup for our bodies. Making the best of technology.

Great vid! I've used wacom cintiqs over 10 years, but finally "upgraded" to an xp-pen 13.3 artist pro. The thing I couldn't accomplish with the Cintiq was drawing the initial sketch... just for some reason my hand/eye coordination wasn't adequate. Drawing on the screen seems to help me with starting the drawing and then I switch to my upright monitor.

I remember you either reviewing or talking about a laptop/tablet stand which I think you were using with your companion. It had 3 bends and Ive been using the knock off ebay version for the last year or so with my cintiq and it's been working wonders with my current setup. The stand is set up similar to those desks animators use and I have a comfy chair now so woo! Only minor inconvenience is the hastle of packing it away and setting it up again if I need the desk space for something else.

Lol, i also use a gamepad instead of keyboard, I put it on my lap so my hand doesn't need to bend in weird ways and it's very comfortable. I agree with everything you say about screen tablets, tho i heard a lot from comic artists that screen tablet is almost necessary for a fast line art

My setup is I mounted my display tablet on an arm (like what you have with your monitor), while I still have my old non-display tablet hooked up. I switch between the two from time to time using the display tablet as a tablet, or just as a monitor. Sometimes, I pull the arm up to its highest point and draw standing up. I noticed that I really can't work on a single type of set-up, so the adjustable arm is a godsend. As for the shaking whenever I use a higher... uh... height, I just put books or small boxes on the bottom of the display tablet.

While I agree about the ergonomics of non-display tablets I can only complete about 50-70% of a digital art piece with one, the disconnect between my surface and art just doesn’t work for me

i just use cheap-ass aluminum easel as a cintiq stand. less than $10 and does the job.

As a traditional artist, I think for me, a drawing display is way better and more natural for me

This is an unpopular opinion among artist community just because all of us don’t work more than 8hrs , i do like 8-11 and i made a horrible mistake of buying ipad over a pc setup, my arms and my posture was so bad , thanks for reinforcing my opinion with this.

Totally agree with you on having a stand to improve ergonomics. I'm using my Intuos Pro/5 on an Ikea laptop stand _(BRÄDA_ I think), and it is *really* comfortable

I completely agree with you dude! unfortunately I bought a drawing display(Huion Gt-191) in 2019 and now I just use my Wacom bamboo and the Huion is used as second monitor which is dope! But I wish I didn't buy it... especially now that I also have a Ipad! Edit: Also I have a problem that I and a lot of artists mention- the hand being the wayy. I know it sounds weird but this is a genuine advantage of having a screen less tablet! I am curious if anyone sees this as a problem?

9:20 I’ve come to realize this my self. It’s really nice being able to sit back in a comfy chair and just draw on an old intuos tablet.

I'm with you on the non-display tablets. I've had my Cintique 13-inch since 2014. It was great for a few years but when I was forced to go back to a non-display tablet, my drawing quality didn't noticeably drop. The benefit to posture stuck out to me the most.

Literallty just bought myself an intuos pro large, because I always ended up back on my little cheap intuos no matter waht screen type tablet I tried - more comfy for me to not have a display to hunch over. I might just grab a stand for it now! Cause I always find my chair's arm getting in the way of my arm motions when I try and draw with my little tablet at my desk. It's definitely more about if you can afford a full on large display with the ergonomic arm stand, and if that is comfortable for you, since some people can't get the hand-eye coordination and overcome that disconnect, or even just don't want to at least. I also have my iPad Pro 10.5" 2017 and love it, so I won't miss a screen for drawing on my PC, I did learn to draw on an intuos though, so I don't mind the disconnect

honestly this video helped me stop thinking about buying a drawing display. Thank you :)

you're totally right! I'm new to drawing, and I'm glad I went the Intuos Pro Large route and didn't even take displays seriously. I gotta find a decent stand for it!!

Could you please do a tutorial on how to get the intuos 3 driver to work, I've been trying but when I use the older drivers I can't seem to find where to configure the intuos 3

I see your point about screen tablets, and yeah I'm all for practicality and simplicity. Sadly, I can't say it works for me, but I wish it did. I've been drawing on "regular" drawing tablets for years, and there was this feeling of disconnect between my eye and hand no matter how much I practiced. I might also have dyscalculia, which makes it hard to measure stuff properly by eye and thus I had trouble with compositions. I saved up and bought myself a 400 euros screen tablet, and it's so much better now (I don't have the money for an ipad). It's not top of the line, nor does it have the best resolution, but it feels like I've removed some kind of mental barrier between myself and what I'm drawing since using it. I have heard this problem from a few people over time, and it is validating to know I'm not alone, but I don't think it's a common enough problem to have everyone fixate on screen tablets so much.

I've been wondering the same thing with the screen tablets, and how they're always seen as the standard. Personally I've never tried one, so I assumed there must truly be something great about them... but after thinking, I couldn't really come up with any good reasons! Reasons for a regular screenless tablet however? I like being able to use a small tablet so that I don't have to move my hand around a lot, it's nice not to cover the painting with your hand, and the ability to not have to hunch over is definitely another plus. (As a side note regarding the "argument" for traditional drawing flat on the desk: most professional traditional artists would also keep the paper, if not straight up, then at least at an angle on a drawing board, which is pretty much a requirement for academic drawing at least. Traditional or digital, you should never have to work in a bad position!)

12:06 I was a traditional painter, and indeed, before going to fine arts (college), I'd draw all my comics, portraits and etc on a flat paper over a table. But that's a call for HUGE neck and back pains, when not even issues in your eyesight. Is not sustainable even in the short term. In the end, most painters (hobbyists and professionals) use an easel, and there the canvas is VERTICAL!...we are standing up (well, some doing landscapes, or even in studios, just sit on a portable chair), all the time , and yep, the arm is sustaining its weight all the time (and in the other hand, the wooden palette, often also having the solvent mix attached to it, it all has its weight!), but we used to get it as a habit to relax the arms often (besides taking frequent breaks), besides the walking back (and then forward) to see the picture more globally, which is so essential in traditional painting with large canvases (1.5 -2 meters wide, ie), etc. In the whole exercise that it was, you didn't get ergonomic issues. But today we stay static at a table 12 hours... (bad thing to begin with, never has to go beyond 8 hours). 2D traditional animators (altho a lot have ended with bad eyesight problems, prolly due to the strong back light, but also due to the pose) used to have an inclined table, like many architects did, a very large table. And so did (and do) traditional illustrators. Think of something between 30 -60º, often 45º inclination, they actually did put their body weight over it (that helps with the issues, but u can't do that with a display tablet! It'd last two minutes). The distance to the drawing was much closer than when a painter worked standing on foot, on canvas, or even with your current XL setup, and working close to the paper or screen might be and might be not worse to the eyesight, it depends. Too close is definitely very bad (not _only_ for it being a light, it happens too with paper!). Painters often are unaware of the issues of how they work, and is not sth new... Some paints were a bit too toxic in the past (still are...), for some time I was reading that Van Gogh's crazyness could be in part influenced by the fumes from these pigments in closed rooms (nah, while I think that's definitely bad, I think there were mainly other factors, but I 've not revisited the matter for scientific data), and how directly painting with your fingers and those materials (many are based on cadmiun, etc) is something to really avoid. A friend of mine (art teacher, indeed) used to chew the wooden back of her watercolor brush, and she learned that it's quite a bad idea for the solvent substance present in watercolors (and it definitely ends up reaching there), among other toxics... IMO, overall the way to go is doing stuff with some sense, and get at least some basic information. If only to avoid those nasty back and neck pains :D. Also, the training with a classic tablet is GREAT as a coordination exercise, and will only make you AMAZING with a display tablet if that's what they force u to use at the job ( I should know!). Or if you later on gather enough money. Indeed, do so! Get you now a deco pro or deco 03, or huion Inspiroy, and so save for at least a 22" tablet, and meanwhile, just use a classic like these. Using your money for a 12", 13" or 16" display tablet for serious work, is a bit throwing the money away. Or sth I heard recently which I love: "then you hate your money" ! :D. So, I see kindda wrong to tell a student to go ahead directly for a display tablet as their first digital tablet. Even if only so that they learn FULLY the classic tablet's skills to get the art as they want it to be with these tablets, and once reached that level, they go for a display tablet. First of all, as even the display-tablets have the same limited inaccurate magnetic grid, but they are in a less pressing need to overcome it, as the direct painting is compensating that stuff. In classics, for line accuracy, you really have to nail it. This has the effect that if you trained really well with the classic, you fly later with a cintiq or the like a ton faster than those that went directly for a display tablet. The ideal and almost impossible combination (mostly the case of those of us closer to 50 than 40) is to have dominated traditional artwork, classic digital tablets, and then display tablets. This is what Picasso did in his time, in a way. :) Yeah, I quite like that current setup of yours.

Dude , you've opened my eyes a bit. I use my Wacom Bamboo cth-661 daily and I always imagine how good could I become if I would use something like ipad or bigger professional touch screens... And I think now... It woudnn't change much.

Personally, I learnt to lower my chair or raise my table when I draw/doodle.

He could be a microsoft robot voice actor. He sounds almost autotuned.

Always, always appreciate someone's well researched and objective opinion. Subscribed!

This was really helpful. I'm considering a Cintiq 16 because I'm so in love with the idea of the drawing display. I didn't think at all about the ergonomics. I never used a graphics tablet so thought that the display was the way to go. Still not sure which I'll choose but you've made me think about set-up and what will be best for my body as well as my art. Thank you!

Thing is, after I hurt my hand from working too long on a tiny tablet, I became more meticulous with making my setup more ergonomic and I bought an intuos large knowing that it would be better for me than a display. But I still want a display. For no reason. My setup works and feels great but I want a screen tablet... just cuz? You're right, it IS some weird mentality we all somehow share that display tablets are necessary and I don't know how to get out of it.

You're not going to trick me with your ways! I do agree that for painting, you don't really need a tablet display. But if you do thigh line work, like clean-up animation, a tablet display will help you work a lot faster! Less time searching for the perfect line. Also, all tablets need a stand. Always. That, and a place to rest your hand.

For my iPad I'm using a picture frame stand I got from the dollar store. It puts the iPad in just the right angle. It works fine. I want to purchase a surface pro soon and will probably use the same method. (I have cases for both but they don't put them at just the right angle)

This is what I’m talking about! I’ve been using a small pen display for 10 years and it’s very comfortable for me. My sister lent me her 22” drawing monitor one day and my neck and arm ended hurting after just one drawing. I really wanted to like the “drawing on screen” experience, but it is actually not very ergonomic, I think I’ll stick with pen displays for a bit longer, until apple releases an all in one drawing monitor or something like that 😂😂

a better compromise would be to get a tablet that can be turned off and used as a screen less tablet. I like to draw on the screen when I'm inking or sketching but i prefer to use a screen less tablet for painting.

Will you make a video on the new Artstudio Pro update when it releases?

You say no one will listen and it's a war you'll lose. Maybe so, but you convinced me.

As a person who loves display drawing tablets and my spine, I invested in a 60$ standing table with adjustable desk angles Definitely game changing

i have to say i totally disagree . i used to own a drawing tablet without display , cost me 600$ and all it did was collecting dust on a shelf . because i could not wrap my head around drawing some place while looking at other place . so i went back to drawing on paper for years . now i bought a monitor drawing tablet and im loving it . using it 10 hours a day at least . so i guess this is more of an opinion ...

A lot of great artists that I know either never have used a display tablet or are now making this change and going from display tablet no non-display ones. Also I agree with you boro its literally imposible to be ergonomic and taking care of someone's own body and back, neck and etc with a display one. My Wacom Intuos Pro Large ftw!

Personal experience: I find that you're so right on that on-screen tablet thing. I come from a traditional place of drawing so my back was always hunched. For years I've been trying to get used to my drawing tablet + pc but ever since recently I got to use my dad's old monitor! It's pretty big and it makes such a huge improvement on my back, shoulders and neck??? I wanted a screen tablet for a great while bit after getting the monitor I was like,,,, why even bother?? This is perfect!

After like a year of back pains and eye strain, after watching your video I think I'm ready to turn back to my intuos 4.