Good review . most of these motors are soo close to each other in performance that i would go for the reliability factor above all else . I have a gen 3 cx that i love in tour mode and turbo for steep hills . the only thing i don't like about the turbo is you have to pedal at a pretty high cadence to get the most out of the assist . A the age 75 , i find that i'm getting winded waay too soon and i'm not getting any fitter , so i lost my mind and bought a new bike today with the new german motor, Sachs . it has enormous power at very low cadence . i would say i have to pedal about half as fast compared to the bosch and get the same speed up a hill. a Super good motor for old timers .

I'm tired! Good review/video!! Thanks! Both nice bikes BTW!

I waited until the end of the video to see if you advised on colour lol. Humour was good. Reminded me of Australian friends. Are you guys in New Zealand?

I just bought the Trek rail 9, so I guess it was just the colour that swayed me. Good Video, love all the science you used to back up your opinion.

I've got both the Bosch and Brose, and just like your report, I can't definitively say which is more powerful either. The Brose is on a slightly longer enduro frame, whereas the Bosch is on bit shorter wheelbase, so I slightly prefer the latter on the more technical trails. I really like the eMtb mode on the Bosch, but I like the quieter Brose. Yes, just choose the color you like!

1:30 in and I already know I like this guy. Cant wait for the final thought

I just found your channel watched a couple of your great videos and subscribed. We recently bought my wife a Rail 7. Super good bike. I will buy a 2021 Levo Comp when available in Oregon. Both bikes are soooo good.

I must admit I laughed through the whole of this vid. I have to wait until January to get my rail 9 xt, and I can't wait. All the best from Wales.

The Levo felt more powerful at lower cadences than the Trek to me. The Trek was being ridden in EMTB and the Levo in a custom mid-power setting that still provided full assistance at the peak. Might be worth repeating with both bikes in full Boost/Turbo mode (100/100) to remove a potential variable. All in all two great bikes and a fun day out.

Levo. All day. Range, power, feel of the motor, 700wh. I can do 70 miles and 5k in eco! It's crazy. Still beats the new EP8 w/630wh in range test's.

I've had a few different Ebikes/motors there's really not much difference system for system. However I've raced up 15% climbs against lads 1/2 my age and 2/3 of my weight on other ebike's levo's mondrakers, etc and toasted them. I put this down not only being a god of Ebiking 😀 but having the option to fully lock out the bike and having the grippiest rubber, it makes the climbs massively more efficient over 9-10 minutes of 100% blowing out of my arse effort. Great video mate.

Nice one keep them coming

Always enjoy your light-hearted videos. Setting the thorny issue of reliability aside, I think all the main brands of Brose, Bosch, Yamaha and Shimano produce a good package these days. When choosing which one to get, it may be more to the tune of which one is available. I have the latest Bosch and am happy with it.

On the Levo, Try increasing the ‘acceleration response’ setting in mission control app... makes a huge difference in initial take off speed, I have the same bike and yours seems to be taking off a bit slow eh ??

Is this with the newest Bosch update, from 75 n/m to 85n/m? Makes a big difference in other tests I’ve seen.

Note that you only get the max Torque in Turbo or boost mode. Using max power mode is the best way to compare motors. But still a few variables in this comparison.

Hah! Just pick the one you like color of most, awesome. Thanks for the great video.

Glad you guys are having fun riding. The bafang ultra I run at 160 NM and can go on the flat areas over 40mph. I would smoke either of you guys on my hardtail on that trail!

Nice video! where are you guys from? Greetings from Germany

I bought both and there great

On uphill completion, was Brent more or less tired on the Levo vs the Trek? Did he feel like he had to spend more energy on one vs the other?

How was the setting of the Levo and yes the red was noissy no wildlife watch with the red one. I recomande a bell of Timber nice for other people in the forest :)

lol I got chair cardio, just watching this while having my coffee. hehe I love the freedom* of MTBing, but these downhill runs, my heart would explode lol kept watching just for the fun.

I’m 165 lbs but I’m statistically lazier than everyone on the trails. That’s my I ride 120nm Bafang M600.

Did you try googling the specs of each motor? Might be a bit hard to make a video out of it but yeh... might answer it?

Was this a test of which motor was stonger or which guy would have a heart attack first. You guys are pretty fit for your age.

Does anyone have any insights on how their batteries are fairing a year or two on? Is there anything in the new models that impact battery recommendations?

What gearing are the bikes, this could be something to consider...

Looks like you had the Levi in trail mode. Was that on purpose?

If you want the Brose motor (quietest engine, imho best most organic pedal feel) but don't want to pay Specialized prices I highly recommend the Italian Fantic bikes.

Interesting but I would like to see Brent do the same uphill wearing a 20kg rucksack.! In the end its all down to level of fitness and power to weight. Brent has a better power to weight ratio partly because he's fitter but mainly because he is 20kg lighter. Chris

Great review but even if they are almost identical you choose the one that's the most reliable IMO. (Forget the color LOL) . The Brose has had reliability issues so they've extended the warranty to overcome that. It would be great if Brose could overcome their issues and if they have it's a win overall for all riders. The Brose is exclusive to Specialized so you don't have a choice. Outside of the Brose/Specialized Combo the wide world of other brands and bikes becomes available if you can't afford the extra $$$ for the Specialized. A bike that is getting rave reviews independently is the 2021 Merida E One Sixty which uses the Shimano EP8 so there is another choice. Enjoy...

why didnt you test the levo in the turbo setting so 100% power

consumption difference?

Well I had both on my short list the lower models under $6K. The Levo here in the SE of the USA hard to find. The Rail a little easier. The 7 which i wanted over 6 months so going with the 5. Get it in a month. It will be my 1st ebike.

thank goodness for option to fast forward

Has the woods ever burned down? Looks like a great place to ride.

are you going to post the video from woodwill last saturday

Its 2022 now and Bosch has updated their motor. I tested them side by side at a shop recently and the Bosch just felt like it had a whole extra level of assist. More importantly for offroad the Bosch just felt like it comes on quicker from a complete stop on an uphill. Brose is definitely the smoother and more natural feeling motor though. As someone coming off a SL who is looking for more punch I am leaning toward the Bosch on the Trek but then I am old and need all the help I can get.

I have experience with both, power wise the feel the same. Brose is significantly quieter.

when are you going to Summerhill?

The biggest difference of those motors is the NOISE and how they feel. The noisy Bosch motor is really getting on my nerves. And it does not feel as "natural", it "pushes" more.

Where were you riding?

A few weeks ago, I was at the same stage. Specialized Levo or Trek Rail. Well, I bought the yellow one. :-)

Has the Bosch 75 or 85nm for this test?

Let's see where other people are watching from. Leave a comment and tell us where you are watching.

great humor!

Same gear selection?

Rider weight makes a big difference going uphill. I'd take a Brose (under warranty) over the Bosch. I like the power delivery better, it's way quieter, and easy to customize the power delivery/settings.

Were you in,turbo or trail?

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I want an eMTB ‘that takes my effortlessly up the hill’ so I can enjoy the flat and downhill... not much fun in huffing and puffing 🥴🥴🥴

I have tried out both of these bikes looking to buy an e bike.really like the levo but heard the bosh motor in the trek is more reliable.whats your take on that?

Was this fir a buck a point?

In turbo all motors have plenty of power. What’s more important to me is how they behave in techy climbs rather than uphill motogp style like this video. And please don’t get me wrong any kind of test is good and is interesting to compare but this one is not really useful, for the reasons above mentioned. Never buy an ebike because the motor is more powerful, that’s not how it works in the trails. Regards!

All I learned was that regardless of what motor you using on your e bike it isn't much help unless you use the turbo mode to help you avoid being way out of breath at the top. One of these guys was seriously huffing and puffing trying to catch his breath. What's the bloody point in having an e bike if you don't maximize its capabilities when climbing hills?

You’re a funny man...I think I’ll choose the red one.😉

🤣 Love it!!

Run #1 not in turbo mode? And you are trying to see which is stronger? 😐😐😐 you are a genius bro

Can you do the same test on steam bikes please? 😂😂 Good fun is the winner..

At the end of the day, were not competing, ride the bike you feel most comfortable on. 4 seconds matters at the Olympics not in having fun.

I think the Levo will perform better down hill with a mullet setup

very uninformative 😂 always watch your vids keep up the good work UK.

Bosch Vs Brose which is noisier. Bosch!!

Make sure you go for Bosh motor not brose am on my 4th motor they are not reliable. Massive problems with the browse motor. Specialise think they are smart.

Eeerrmm now I'm confused? No wait try it with a Shimano as well!

My gollie molly

Brose motor reliability is terrible compared to Bosch. May change going forward but that's the track record to date

REDS FASTER ! SORTED .

Who cares which one is more powerful...I care about which one is quieter. That Trek seems annoyingly loud.

The trek is noisier for sure and you can choose……..what is actually available now u fortunately

Dude just as well you have chosen for color lol......Brett clearly has more power than you do, perhaps if you had measured your individual power outputs and included that in the test you could have had something to evaluate.

I'll take whatever is matt black. LOL.

U r pretty funny 😆

Bosch is more reliable

Bosch or Brose ? Neither ,,,get a Sachs . The wattage is the same , so its the torque / Nms AND how it's distributed in the different assist levels that determines how easily and fast you will go up a hill. Bosch has a top assist in " turbo " mode of 340 % Brose has a higher assist , but i forgot the actual numbers . Sachs has 110 Nms and 380 % assist in the highest setting . I just today bought a Nox e bike with the new sachs motor and this thing has ⚾️⚾️s . I went up a pretty steep hill in a small rear sprocket and the highest assist . it flew up the hill in a very low cadence . i changed gears to a larger sprocket and it accelerated from there . i didn't test beyond that , i just ordered the bike .😂

Bosch is more powerful than

Blind Study! lol

not very useful, please remember, these are proper mountain bikes, not for MAMILs, you should compare handling and riding properties.