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What I've learned in 8 years of fpv.

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BOTGRINDER

BOTGRINDER

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@BOTGRINDER
@BOTGRINDER 2 ай бұрын
Join my patreon!: patreon.com/botgrinder Bot merch: bit.ly/botsshop Demibot: bit.ly/3xMo8go Grinderino: bit.ly/46QD10R
@michaelfitzhenry6788
@michaelfitzhenry6788 2 ай бұрын
And what kind of bad gear is being used today interested
@canigetachannel
@canigetachannel 2 ай бұрын
yeah BOT, people just all don't realize that Trappy's an awesome dude. [Raphael is fun and funny!] [side note, i do fly TBS source ones exclusively [5"-7"], not to be biased. i like to build my own. HDZ4LIFE]
@shadowofchaos8932
@shadowofchaos8932 2 ай бұрын
I agree. If you help one person by telling your story, then it is all worth it. Thanks for taking us along with you and we got your back. BBOOOOOTTTT!
@tshirtfactory07
@tshirtfactory07 2 ай бұрын
DERRRRRRP
@jamesbond-pr5jl
@jamesbond-pr5jl 2 ай бұрын
I appreciates you B HOLE, 420th of the 420 of the grinderinos to keep you plant based flying
@zoroe
@zoroe 2 ай бұрын
AWWWW ALL THE MEMORIES!!! I love you bro. You’re a blessing to this hobby and to all of us!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@LilwickedFpv
@LilwickedFpv 2 ай бұрын
You’re absolutely right Zoroe because I luv watching your videos as well. Keep up the great work as well, man.
@slowentropy4531
@slowentropy4531 2 ай бұрын
Hope you've been doing okay Zoroe. Cheers mate.
@unkyduck
@unkyduck 2 ай бұрын
Zoroe and Bot. Two of the good ones.
@Bill_Bo
@Bill_Bo 2 ай бұрын
What a coincidence. It's my 8 month anniversary. Here is what I've learned. 1 If your vtx is overheating don't take off in hopes of the air cooling it off. 2 Don't fly far away and then crash.
@serenestateofbeing1062
@serenestateofbeing1062 2 ай бұрын
Hey wait a minute 😂 I do the flying thing when my vtx is starting to overheat
@docmalc47
@docmalc47 2 ай бұрын
@@serenestateofbeing1062 its like a yellow light - it means floor it! dunno what he's talking about either lol
@Bill_Bo
@Bill_Bo 2 ай бұрын
@@serenestateofbeing1062 Some vtxs probably will be fine. I've had bad luck with the video going out twice so now I let it cool first. It only gets that way (overheat) if you spend too much time goofing around (like in settings menus) before you fly. Which is something you do when you are new.
@DreamFlyEcuador
@DreamFlyEcuador 2 ай бұрын
Rule 1 use analog Vtx .
@Mr_AciD
@Mr_AciD 2 ай бұрын
Exactly, don't just take off. Full send it so it cools right away ;P
@pongmaster123
@pongmaster123 2 ай бұрын
WOW - Trappy (6:20) -> that is amazing!
@IanF-FPV
@IanF-FPV 2 ай бұрын
Yet Trappy gets a lot of shit from ppl.
@TeamBlackSheepFPV
@TeamBlackSheepFPV 2 ай бұрын
@@IanF-FPV because most people can't handle the truth :)
@packtheripperfpv5071
@packtheripperfpv5071 2 ай бұрын
"everything". That was powerful!!!!!!! ❤️
@January_Cold
@January_Cold 2 ай бұрын
FPV helped with my 4 years and counting sobriety. I traded one addiction for another addiction and I'm happy with how things worked out. Keep going and don't look back!
@FlyHMD_
@FlyHMD_ 2 ай бұрын
Bot - Patreon supporter here. FPV gets my head right, and it keeps me out of "trouble" but sometimes it gets routine flying in the same spots etc...I'm sure others feel the same sometimes? So just knowing the passion of flying is something we all share and we get to see you share your life with us too? I can't get enough! Your story telling talent makes me fly even higher bro! Even if your next video was just you cruising on the bike/freestyleFPV/ whoopin/ and just a few words to your fans, I'll always enjoy your awesome self! Don't worry so much about editing perfection for every vid. Raw is great sometimes and I'm sure the next one will be better!
@Syncopad
@Syncopad 2 ай бұрын
Your a legend Bot and after hearing what a legend Trappy is i have even more respect for him
@Rocket510
@Rocket510 2 ай бұрын
Yo Bot! I started watching your vids again after hella years. You're the only fpv guy I watch. Me, I started doing fpv about 7 years ago, so I remember a lot of this. I was a motovlogger back then, but I started a fpv channel cuz I got sick of the drama in the moto community. Now, I'm back on my main channel which is now all about camera drones and got my Part 107. I haven't flown fpv in ages, so I watch you and reminisce. You make me wanna dust off my gear again. You have always kept it real and you're a cool dude. I've been clean from 😚💨 for over 3 yrs and 🍺 for a year. So keep it up and the vids coming. I'm happy for your success! ✌🏾💙🚀
@Xplicit_fpv
@Xplicit_fpv 2 ай бұрын
You seriously are one of the last real KZfaqrs out there making content that makes you happy and not worried about a dollar you will always have my respect and I look forward to your next videos thank you so much! Stay real! Stay humble!
@GarethDix
@GarethDix 2 ай бұрын
Trappy is an unsung hero!
@pitfireproducts
@pitfireproducts 2 ай бұрын
I think I have been following for most of it! You were the first person I saw putting sick ass music to fpv! I also used to fly a cemetery, lol! Keep kicking ass dude!!
@michaelwhouse46
@michaelwhouse46 2 ай бұрын
Damn I’m pumped to hear the Prof cut back for this videos intro. I was sad to hear that one stop getting used.
@Bobbyjoe8joeboondog
@Bobbyjoe8joeboondog 2 ай бұрын
Original intro is tops, always gets me keen for another bot video.
@mjblais16
@mjblais16 2 ай бұрын
"I just like flying quads and making videos about it." It comes through! Only found your videos in the last couple weeks since my son has become super interested in FPV and I had no clue about anything about the hobby. I still know SFA but my kid does so all I need to do is learn to fly better and enjoy watching people make content. Thanks for doing what you do.
@IanF-FPV
@IanF-FPV 2 ай бұрын
Bot you are one of the best parts of fpv. Keep being you and true to yourself. Here is to another 8 years…
@RogerWilliamsphoto
@RogerWilliamsphoto 2 ай бұрын
You’re one of the best, most relatable personalities on the Tube my friend. Thank for all you do on this platform and as an amazing pilot who genuinely wants to lift everyone up!
@edrone_
@edrone_ 2 ай бұрын
I have always had a blast when your around. Your passion for the hobby is definitely contagious brother!
@josh_withers
@josh_withers 2 ай бұрын
Above everything in FPV, you have taught me to have a crack, not worry about too much, and have fun with it. Your carefree attitude in life is very admirable. Thank you Bot!
@larryjones2460
@larryjones2460 2 ай бұрын
That is a true rags to a pay check story. Keep it up bro.
@splengy
@splengy 2 ай бұрын
that was really cute. I remember your whole journey. I remember your first video. and I remember when you got your goggles. You've been the hero and the villain in this story and it's been fun to watch keep doing it!
@Th3GhostFPV
@Th3GhostFPV 2 ай бұрын
Word!!! Go Bot 👻💨 FPV world is changing but at least u have stayed pretty consistent
@DrDepth89
@DrDepth89 2 ай бұрын
I’m coming up on 15 years of FPV adventures. I built my first quad in 2009. I four wheeled to the top of a mountain yesterday with my dog and flew all afternoon . Walksnail and a 32” HD TV in the back of the truck has been my setup lately. Love this shit … never going to grow up!
@LeftStepFPV
@LeftStepFPV 2 ай бұрын
You've been my FPV spirit animal since the first time I saw you. ;) Lot to admire about you, Dude.
@TeamBlackSheepFPV
@TeamBlackSheepFPV 2 ай бұрын
Here's to another 8 years in this crazy hobby! :) Thanks for the trip down memory lane!
@BOTGRINDER
@BOTGRINDER 2 ай бұрын
Cheers homie!!!
@Madvizion
@Madvizion 2 ай бұрын
You and I the complete polar opposites when it comes to lifestyles. But I would most definitely smoke chill and fly with you. IDGAF you are a legend.
@skyrotfpv
@skyrotfpv 2 ай бұрын
Congratulations to 8 years FPV! 🎉 Thanks for all the hard work and for keeping the fun in FPV.
@genjitsu7448
@genjitsu7448 2 ай бұрын
Hey, knowing that Trappy did that for you makes me feel even better about choosing to use TBS products such as the Mambo and Tracer, etc... My first VTX was an analog TBS unit (can't remember the model). When I first starting flying in I felt that the TBS products were some of if not the very best on the market. And for what it is worth, I have a set of your 2207 Grinder motors, very solid! Keep up the great work, having fun, and I do hope you keep growing and can keep having a life that you appreciate. Cheers!
@y_i_fly6256
@y_i_fly6256 2 ай бұрын
Congratulations on this amazing milestone. But it’s true, not only are you a great inspiration for the hobby but also setting a better example of yourself to show others that anything is possible.
@josetorres6127
@josetorres6127 2 ай бұрын
🔥🔥🔥🔥been clean for two years now. Let’s Keep pushing forward brother,we got this shit🔥🔥🔥
@BOTGRINDER
@BOTGRINDER 2 ай бұрын
Congrats!
@WindChillFPV
@WindChillFPV 2 ай бұрын
Looking forward to the next 8 years. 🦾🤖❤
@Ice-FaceMedia
@Ice-FaceMedia 2 ай бұрын
You are cemented in the FPV history Bro.....what you call "one of the great" learning never stops...if anybody think other-wise , let them find the next bridge, and solve their problem🦁🦁🦁
@SWEEMTUBE
@SWEEMTUBE 2 ай бұрын
Fpv has totally kept me clean since 2018. I don't know what I would do without it. You are an inspiration @BOTGRINDER Keep it up. And thank you for the great content 🙏
@willzaboski2361
@willzaboski2361 2 ай бұрын
The first thing I bought from a youtuber was your Christmas sweater in 2023. Everyone I work with love it
@kelvinwolf225
@kelvinwolf225 2 ай бұрын
You're the best there is Bot. Love you! Thanks for sharing your journey
@GKW25308
@GKW25308 2 ай бұрын
Great vid man. I rarely listen to anyone's vid completely from start to finish with at least putting it on 2x speed. I listened to all of that start to finish and enjoyed it.
@earlbrown8304
@earlbrown8304 20 күн бұрын
You're the man . Your juicy flicks are on point . Had seen you in other channels for years and assumed I wouldn't like your content but it's my favorite for you just being you while not trying to sell us whatever new thing is in this week . Thank you, man .
@martr
@martr 2 ай бұрын
I choose my words carefully when I say that was a beautiful, open, honest and informational video. Thank you BG 👌
@nvembrace
@nvembrace 2 ай бұрын
Fpv was a blessing for you to change your life and find something your fucking great at. Not many people can bounce back like you did but there is still hope for everyone. Congrad to you grinder
@JefferyDuke
@JefferyDuke 2 ай бұрын
I remember meeting you a few times over the years when I was really active in fpv. After COVID and all the new rules I didn't have time to dedicate and the crew I flew with weren't often available. I literally still have all my drone stuff just waiting for me. Trying to make a fun show in Coffee and Drones was the best time ever. When I saw you were working with NHRL on combat robotics, I was legit smiling from ear to ear. I've been pushing hard and having a ton of fun in that space. If you ever want to come to a robot event in the Tennessee/Georgia/Florida etc areas let me know, you've got a place to hang out and I'll be happy to chauffeur you around as needed. It'll be a blast!
@BOTGRINDER
@BOTGRINDER 2 ай бұрын
Awesome thanks for the offer!
@MarkSkizzoo
@MarkSkizzoo 2 ай бұрын
Bot is the shit cause he's real. You can look the other way on alot of things if you know it's authentic.
@HardTimesPlumbingLLc
@HardTimesPlumbingLLc Ай бұрын
Never judge a book by its cover, Major props for getting and staying clean. Its the hardest thing anyone can do!
@OGFlow77
@OGFlow77 2 ай бұрын
Thanks brother for being real👊🏼😎 Been flying since 2017 and always appreciated your individuality and honesty 👌🏼
@chrisg_fpv
@chrisg_fpv 2 ай бұрын
It's been an entertaining ride man. Sponsorship would be nice to have for sure. Glad this youtube gig helps you out because I enjoy the videos.
@ReapR_X
@ReapR_X 2 ай бұрын
Dude, I’ll never forget meeting you in person for the first time at Rampage. We had chatted back a forth a bit on livestreams and stuff and when I saw you and hollered your name in that parking lot, and told you who I was, you gave me a big ole bro hug and I knew you were an awesome person. I’ve had nothing but mad respect for you. I hope you continue to enjoy doing what you love and I hope you are majorly successful in everything you do. Much love, my brother, from this ole Bama boy.
@nicecrash
@nicecrash 2 ай бұрын
Your channel is probably the one FPV channel I followed the entire time - I just started FPV a few months earlier and I subbed because you seemed to be an original character and an honest person❣️... suddenly you started popping up in all the podcasts and regular FPV content I consumed religiously in my first 6 years of my FPV journey so I definitely started to develop a para social relationship at that point 😅. I honestly skipped the flying part in your edits for the first years - but that changed over time, now I enjoy the full show. After all the years, you are still a person I enjoy seeing every week, thanks for sharing!
@MrDrD34TH
@MrDrD34TH 2 ай бұрын
Congratz to your 8th FPV Anniversary again man 🥳 Im literally still new in FPV but im so happy that i found your Channel last year 😁 Always nice to watch and entertaining pure Bot! Oh wow Trappy what a Legend, that's awesome 🙌 Keep it up with your great Content, do your thing and I'm looking forward to the next 8 Years 😊👊 Much love from Germany 🫶
@TryAgainFPV
@TryAgainFPV 2 ай бұрын
I've been flying for 7 and let me tell you. Shit has definitely changed. All the dji dudes who started making cinewhoop videos kinda killed the vibe 😂
@Halfrightfox
@Halfrightfox Ай бұрын
You're a real one, Botgrinder. Whether it's a talking head video or fpv adventure video, I'll smash that like button. because it's the personality that keeps me watching.
@BOTGRINDER
@BOTGRINDER Ай бұрын
Awe thx g.
@LetsFlyRC
@LetsFlyRC 2 ай бұрын
Break up the monotony. Your unique personality is part of what makes you so interesting to watch. Keep doing it, man. 🔥
@BOTGRINDER
@BOTGRINDER 2 ай бұрын
Thank you homie, also Kazi showed me that new frame and it looks sick bro!
@LetsFlyRC
@LetsFlyRC 2 ай бұрын
@@BOTGRINDER thanks, brother. You and I have similar frame needs 4shure. 👍
@AltAngles
@AltAngles 2 ай бұрын
Trappy for the win!!!! Leadgendry support for sure!!!! He is that guy!!!!!! I have been watching your channel for a long time. Stay true to your craft, it's been awesome to see you grow!!
@Dec1duousTree
@Dec1duousTree 2 ай бұрын
I always enjoy your videos. Also, I love that you went back to this into/outro. Thanks for sharing. You're living the dream.
@EscapeWithMia
@EscapeWithMia 2 ай бұрын
It's always interesting to hear history of FPV & peoples journeys, keep kicking ass dude
@un-commoncents2805
@un-commoncents2805 Ай бұрын
The fact that you and cricket don't do this as a job but for the love of the hobby is why you 2 are my go to pilots for vids.
@filipposslavik7086
@filipposslavik7086 Ай бұрын
Taking all the FPV stuff aside, I have a confession to make ! You have a really great taste for music ! Seriously!
@richardclayton7170
@richardclayton7170 Ай бұрын
You’re the shit man! I remember seeing the first couple videos you made and hearing all the hate, but you stuck with it. A lot has changed over the years. I’ve been in and out of the hobby since Horizon Hobby came out with the Blade Conspiracy 220. Now I have a fleet of older quads on analog and running Spektrum protocol. Now watching you guys all fly and hang out has brought me back to the hobby again. Keep up the content man. You’re a true inspiration and a bad ass!
@MrClazyo
@MrClazyo Ай бұрын
Not crying, just got some shit in my eye that's all. Sir, you inspire me!
@PaulieShortcuts
@PaulieShortcuts 2 ай бұрын
The hot dog lifter and the screaming goat were money!!!!
@hanni4795
@hanni4795 2 ай бұрын
Congrats on 8y homie still making banger vids after all this time🔥🔥
@MrSmithersFPV
@MrSmithersFPV 2 ай бұрын
this might be my favorite upload so far, inspiring and really made me think about alcohol... glad to have been along for the ride since the OG days man
@lastlythis
@lastlythis 2 ай бұрын
I fux with you fr man. Thank you for being you and for staying on your grind. Thank you for believing in your people and for believing in yourself 💯🙏♾️.
@dougtutt2720
@dougtutt2720 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for regular good vibes in a routinely crappy world. Love ya Bot!
@screwit3673
@screwit3673 2 ай бұрын
Thats the thing! Sure there are better Pilots then you (and me) but in the end of the day we almost all enjoy autentic people goofing of more than a Technical perfect and filtered V-log. Stay who you are, we love you!
@benwhiteman91
@benwhiteman91 2 ай бұрын
Followed you for years now dawg. Mad respect for you just being you. Ya music taste is fuckin 👌🏻 too.
@southerndig
@southerndig 2 ай бұрын
Hell yeah bro! congrats, You power looping a train car is what got me into flying. It was dope to see another punk flying also. Not that it matters but I personally like your "boring" videos more then the antic stuff so keep doing whatever the fuck you wanna do.
@FPVEvan
@FPVEvan 2 ай бұрын
Such an awesome story man. I’m new in the FPV world and love watching your vids! Definitely refreshing seeing creators be them selves
@MrSabram07
@MrSabram07 2 ай бұрын
I've been flying for about 5 years and have enjoyed your videos very much. I even bought really cool hoodie from your website. I just like your editing style. That's the main reason I like your videos and this one is great
@BOTGRINDER
@BOTGRINDER 2 ай бұрын
Hey thanks !
@cptLook-WYC
@cptLook-WYC 2 ай бұрын
I remember you from LATFO and its awesome seeing you've become the worlds greatest drone pilot
@TommyGFPV
@TommyGFPV 2 ай бұрын
hahaha that's me at 8:48 creating that fog you were talking about hahahahah I'm dead, that is awesome. I too hold extremely fond memories of that year's IO trip. Thanks BOT, miss you man.
@MrStreetboy80
@MrStreetboy80 2 ай бұрын
It’s a cool thing to do, I’m a year in, I fly junk and still analog but I enjoy it. I’m learning a lot, crashing a lot and fixing a lot, but slowly collecting parts for a decent drone. It’ll still be analog but I’m ok with that. Watching you guys fly and build really has kept me flying. I wouldn’t have been able to build if it wasn’t for the community.
@timb3054
@timb3054 2 ай бұрын
You say you were never good at these videos. You are absolutely great at these videos.
@wookiefpv6614
@wookiefpv6614 Ай бұрын
Thanks for getting a little sappy there. ❤ You've been a big motivation for me... "Man if this ding dong can do it so can I"... I mean that so respectfully because you seriously are an amazing person. I matter, you matter, we all matter. Keep being you Bot! Hope to meet you eventually ❤️🫶
@elMuele
@elMuele 2 ай бұрын
I pretty much stopped flying. And pretty much stopped watching fpv content. No drama, just found new hobbies. But I still watch your videos pretty constantly. Cause they're good. You're real. And a totally different type than everything else in my life which is healthy for me.
@BOTGRINDER
@BOTGRINDER 2 ай бұрын
Thx homie.
@ChainsawFPV
@ChainsawFPV 2 ай бұрын
Great video. I'm clean 5 years with FPV keeping my mind busy. Asked someone for help tuning a quad a couple weeks ago, he asked me why I did not have RPM filtering on. I said what's that? He looked at me like I had 4 heads! Lmao.
@moochasas
@moochasas 2 ай бұрын
I can totally relate... while I am a totally different person to you the journey is similar..... I found FPV back in the 2014 time and it was a life changer... today i still make vids of my journey and when I am feeling down I watch them.... to remember the good times and get that feeling back.... I am super proud of you and have followed you since day dot..... your a super great person and what I respect the most is your honesty...... stay safe and greetings from down under
@Crashtopher
@Crashtopher 2 ай бұрын
There once was a TV sitcom called “Eight is Enough.” This is a blatant falsehood. Here’s to eight more, sir! 🌴 🍄
@maddyd7640
@maddyd7640 2 ай бұрын
🎉 thanks for including the Tweety twatty music on the outro, vid is good, Tweety twatty tooth song is great. First time I've seen u not promise something better next time. Is this your best vid? Possibly
@velkrofpv6654
@velkrofpv6654 2 ай бұрын
I have always considered you to be a very honest perspective of our awesome hobby. keep ripping Bot!!
@GimbalLockFPV
@GimbalLockFPV 2 ай бұрын
Thats how you make a honest engaging video! My 7th anniversary coming up and that inspired me to do my own reflection.
@TorontoFPV
@TorontoFPV 2 ай бұрын
Ye! Sober too! Good stuff. Your wonderfully entertaining & creative. I'll forever be blown away by the can it carry a hotdog lol
@lukecoupe8664
@lukecoupe8664 12 күн бұрын
hey bot you are a insperation to all (sorry cnt spell) Your the reason i got into FPV i watched you on a documentry called droners ? an boy oh boy hooked ONE WORD LEGEND my friend
@WRLD-FPV
@WRLD-FPV 2 ай бұрын
Always love the content man! Been on the fpv journey for almost 2 years now and am loving it
@andyvasquez4392
@andyvasquez4392 2 ай бұрын
Keep the vids rollin my dude, I love your videos because your real!!!
@angularfpv6572
@angularfpv6572 Ай бұрын
Always been a fan and always will be. All of your videos put a smile on my face! There you go.
@nuzie6947
@nuzie6947 2 ай бұрын
Botgrinder is by far the best fpv content creator!
@beubeurk
@beubeurk 2 ай бұрын
Following you from the begining! you are one of the best in the community bro!
@CaptCalgary
@CaptCalgary 2 ай бұрын
Been with ya for almost a full ride !! You have an amazing story don’t stop thank you for putting yourself out there for me to cling onto !!
@nightfpv4652
@nightfpv4652 2 ай бұрын
12min 53min. I would just like to say that you are awesome! Thanks for your videos! Keep doing you.
@ATekFPV
@ATekFPV 2 ай бұрын
thanks for the years of entertainment and engagement with everyone in this hobby.
@Boboo5
@Boboo5 2 ай бұрын
Youre a legend BG. I dont fly anymore but i still enjoy your content. Keep doing BG things
@kendrickfpv4139
@kendrickfpv4139 2 ай бұрын
Nice look back at the years you've flown. Keep doing what you do, man!😀
@CloneTechDrones-619
@CloneTechDrones-619 2 ай бұрын
That DIY QAV250 was my first FPV build too. The power distro board was shorted and I had to message the vendor to send me a replacement, which was the reason why that kit had to many bad reviews on Amazon.
@whoopsquad
@whoopsquad 2 ай бұрын
I will never stop buying TBS now- Trappy is the man!
@moifpv
@moifpv 2 ай бұрын
It´s impressive how FPV changes your life.
@SharkLotusFPV
@SharkLotusFPV 2 ай бұрын
Good for you Bot! I'll admit you weren't my kind of flavor when you first started out and came on the scene but you've grown on me over the last 8 years for sure and I've seen you grow and I'm happy for your accomplishments. Trappy definitely is a G & I've heard similar stories of him helping out members of our little community. Keep up the good work and stay clean brother - as someone who is 100% sober these days it's definitely a better quality of life for sure. Keep up the content brother! 🤘
@TRITONFPV
@TRITONFPV 2 ай бұрын
10 years here come October. Yeah Boy! - #NEVERSTOPFLYING 💪🏻
@jerrywilliams822
@jerrywilliams822 10 күн бұрын
Keep it up bro I’m in Arizona and I fuck with you tough keep it up fuck them haters!!!
@funeralatpizzahut
@funeralatpizzahut 2 ай бұрын
Love this video. Very inspiring. I've been following since about 2021. You are probably the only account i consistently watch.
@derfmuff
@derfmuff 2 ай бұрын
your composition is nice. i keep staring at the end of the building.
@baughaninastorm
@baughaninastorm 2 ай бұрын
Nice one Bot. Incredible story. Keep clean and stay honest.
@Toddsnightmare
@Toddsnightmare 2 ай бұрын
Congrats on the anniversary. I've been flying for about 4 years
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