If you noticed my verbal tick, I'm terribly sorry. I tried to minimise it in post-production but couldn't. I will try really hard in future not to do that when I'm filming a discussion video. Personally I find it really annoying and it bugged the heck out of me during editing.

*Rob walks into a building dressed up* Rob: This isn't the Sudan? me: you're in a hardware store sir XD

"This isn't the Sudan?!" LOL, right up there with "Well, you see, George, I did like it, back in the old days when the prerequisite was that the enemy should under no circumstances carry guns - even spears made us think twice. The kind of people we liked to fight were two feet tall and armed with dry grass."

I live in South Africa, very close to the battlefields of Spion Kop, Colenso etc near the Tugela river. What i think a log of people dont appreciate is how much the landscape here favours the defender- there are vast fields of fire in amongst hills dotted here and there with cover. If one takes a trip around the Tugela line it's very easy to see how difficult it would be to dislodge a relatively small but dug in force.

I love how most of the Gun Channels on KZfaq get along so well, and collaborate with each other. The KZfaq firearms community is a great community.

that intro was like the blurb for Blackadder Goes Forth

That intro was quite funny

That Canadian guy is great ,he really knows his stuff and explains it very well .

Some day I want to see Ian from Forgotten Weapons, Hikok 45, Military Arms Channel, Rob and Mike all do a video together.

Speaking of collaborations, I'd love to see the both of you collab with InRangeTV and maybe run a 2-gun match with your gear

At Magersfontein you can still see the stripes of lead on the rocks on the hill above the trenches where the 303 bullets hit. Amazing to see.

Please I love these collaborations they add context, rational, important information and so help to make sense of things. The later 19th century forward to perhaps just post WWII is an era of major interest to me. Some collaborations covering things done and learnt from pivotal conflicts as the Russo -Turkish war, The Balkan Wars (1912 & 13) and the Russo Japanese War would be heaven

That sporran creates a really obvious aiming point at a REALLY unfortunate location. Almost looks like a sight picture!

Optimism: Engaging the enemy at 2,800 yards.

" THEY ONLY HAVE SPEARS"..... oh boy I'm smiling as I shouldn't be.

"And war were declared"....lol hint to Othias!!!!!!

I've been to some of the battlefields like Bronkhorstspruit where my great great granddad capped a few khakis. So many good people died because of Cecil and his company of Cronies.

3:03 talking about .303... did you plan that?

Worth the time to watch. Topic was interesting but might not have carried the day without the uniforms and scenery. Fun and educational.

The crossover nobody realized they even wanted until they got it.

Pauses video, obtains large mug of tea, returns to desk and then resumes watching!

31:59 I find your lack of "aught" in 30-06 disturbing.

I have two questions: Did he dress you ? Was he giddy while going it ?

Met a bloke in Chloride Az. And has that early kit, . Helmet ,tunic, webbing etched have a St. Patrick Day parade and whole town turns out, .I chat w/ him a bout his uniform , it stand out against the old west ghost towm. - right, one of the locals, and history buff as well. I collect military kit too& he gave me some Vietnam era fatigues & a canteen w/ cup- stove. I use the cup& stove daily for my AM coffee. A very nice gesture on his part

Loved the intro, very funny boys. great insight and knowledge, throughout very interesting. cheers

Great to see you working with Rob, he helped me get my 2 band Enfield up and running, a great guy!

Kipling's The Lesson: I just had to . . . Let us admit it fairly, as a business people should, We have had no end of a lesson: it will do us no end of good. Not on a single issue, or in one direction or twain, But conclusively, comprehensively, and several times and again, Were all our most holy illusions knocked higher than Gilderoy's kite.* We have had a jolly good lesson, and it serves us jolly well right ! . This was not bestowed us under the trees, nor yet in the shade of a tent, But swingingly, over eleven degrees of a bare brown continent. From Lamberts to Delagoa Bay, and from Pietersburg to Sutherland, Fell the phenomenal lesson we learned-with a fullness accorded no other land. It was our fault, and our very great fault, and not the judgment of Heaven. We made an Army in our own image, on an island nine by seven, Which faithfully mirrored its makers' ideals, equipment, and mental attitude-- And so we got our lesson: and we ought to accept it with gratitude. We have spent two hundred million pounds to prove the fact once more, That horses are quicker than men afoot, since two and two make four; And horses have four legs, and men have two legs, and two into four goes twice, And nothing over except our lesson--and very cheap at the price. For remember (this our children shall know: we are too near for that knowledge) Not our mere astonied camps, but Council and Creed and College-- All the obese, unchallenged old things that stifle and overlie us-- Have felt the effects of the lesson we got - an advantage no money could by us! Then let us develop this marvellous asset which we alone command, And which, it may subsequently transpire, will be worth as much as the Rand. Let us approach this pivotal fact in a humble yet hopeful mood-- We have had no end of a lesson, it will do us no end of good! It was our fault, and our very great fault--and now we must turn it to use. We have forty million reasons for failure, but not a single excuse. So the more we work and the less we talk the better results we shall get-- We have had an Imperial lesson; it may make us an Empire yet! * Gilderoy : bandit, hung as a spectacle, some say a tethered kite.

Two of my favourite channels together! Canadian wilderness horticulture and Dress Up for Blokes.

That was a enlightening and enjoyable discussion, gentleman. Thank you for your effort and much research on this topic. The whole video was very enjoyable for us militaryhistory buffs. Keep up the great work. 👍👍👍

These are such great, informative, and fun videos

Really, really, interesting discussion from two of my favourite KZfaqrs.

Once again, brilliant video! Please keep up the good work.

Oh boy, my two favorit youtubers in the same video. :D God bless British Rifles.

I say this at the outset as an LE Collector and Shooter, my Great Grandfather served as Rifleman in The Kings Royal Rifle Corps, 3rd Bn, from 1899-1915 ... he fought with the KRRC 60th during the 2nd Anglo Boer War throughout several famous engagements including the raising of the Seige of Ladysmith (The 3rd Battalion were in Buller's relief force) and Battle of Spion Kop where in this action, the 3rd KRRC scaled the heights in a very determined way and achieved their goal... During his service he carried both the Long Lee and the Short Magazine Lee Enfield. The Regimental and Bn Diaries of the KRRC do much to clarify and dispel myths surrounding the weapons and actions of both parties during the conflict as they are surprisingly frank and do not tend toward obfuscation of the facts. His war record also indicates he was trained as M.I (Mounted Infantry) as the KRRC had detachments of M.I selected from each Bn to be attached to various other Regiments or Bn's as the need may require. It goes without saying I'll be watching this episode with more than a passing interest.

This is a very good video. Very informative. If it hasn't already been mentioned, there is a very good evolution and adoption of the Lee-Medfords through the SMLE of WW1 over on C&Rsenal. It a long, two part video but very worthy of the time to watch them.

*moustache bristles* Those spectacles are highly irregular!

Great explanation of late 19th century infantry tactics. Thank-you.

YES!!! I'm so happy seeing you two in one video great stuff!

I must say that is a wonderful backdrop for this video

Was looking for information on my research of the Boer Wars. This was very fascinating and you got a new subscriber.

Another great collaboration video. As a resident of the lower mainland of BC, I sure wish I'd known Mike was coming out so I could have met him.

Another top hit, great vod.

My great-grandfather on my mother's side (born in England) was a Private in the British Army during the Boer War. We have a portrait of him in uniform. My grandmother and grandfather on my mother's side immigrated to the US. CWO4, US Navy, Retired, 1973-1995.

Bloke on the Mountain Range.

I love this collaboration!

Great collaboration.

It's been a great learning experience. BRAVO! :)

Lovely stuff. Reading about the Boer War battles, it struck me that the British did have a coherent tactical doctrine, which in part relied on artillery firing shrapnel to slaughter the enemy or at least keep their heads down while the infantry closed in for the kill. The problem with that concept was that the artillery had to get close enough to the Boer rifle line for the guns and horses to make excellent long range rifle targets for the Boers. The result was a form of area fire--shoot the horses, shoot at the guns, hit the gunners--that was effective enough to take the guns out of action. And once the guns fell silent, the infantry was flummoxed. It's another example of the area fire effect that Rob discusses at the end of the video.

Very nice to see such a collaboration. And the Bloke even managed to cough up the truth about the Mauser. Must have nearly killed you to say it Bloke. Well done :) Seriously though. A stout effort. Hope you forever continue the good work. - Peter.

Great discussion. New sub for BML!

Job well done. Thanks for sharing!

Great video, informative and entertaining!

Very good stuff lads

It is a very interesting and Historical video, keep up the good work,

Truly an interesting discussion

Another superior video Sir!!!

Churchill speaks a lot of the tactical issues and difficulties during the boat war in his autobiography “MY EARLY LIFE”

Mhm, love the in depth look at equipment.

Great video! Thank you

Nice, 2 of my favourite channels meet 😁👍

Good thing you were there to set Rob straight. I'm pretty sure Belgium looks a lot different than the Sudan. Hehehe... As I said on Rob's channel, I loved the conversation.

I have a very nice No1 MK 1 Lee Enfield with the changer guide on the bolt. I got it back in the 70's it is all matching numbers and in excellent condition date 1901 BSA manufactured.

Don't worry about the length of time. I was disappointed when it ended. Well done Rob for the defence of the volley sight. It did the same job as the Enfield muzzle loader did at long range until the medium machine gun took over the role of creating a beaten zone to deny ground at a distance. Until you got machine guns in large numbers it was still useful-with trained troops. If you can see that far.

On the point of the 1903 Bandolier being used for drivers it was still being used by the last mounted cavalry regiments being the Household Cavalry Composite Regiment and the Scots Greys chiefly until 1941 and then it stayed in the Household Cavalry with senior NCOs into the 50s as a uniform item on service dress.

Mhm.....MHm....Mhm.... Mhm... Just funny is all.

The equipt referred to at 24.00, (approx) in service is called "soft ordnance", commonly - webbbing

Awesome video! Hilarious intro, too! The Boers had '93 and '95 Mausers in 7mm, right? We Americans had to learn our lesson too as that is what the Spanish had in Cuba and we had Krags in .30-40. .30-40 isn't exactly a flat shooting, long range round. Did I mention that the Spanish had Maxim guns and the US V corps in Cuba only had 2 air cooled M1895 Colt MGs and Gatling guns in .45-70 and .30 Krag.

Great video

I do a little quarter-nod in the same circumstances for the same reason (to show attentiveness and comprehension). A speech therapist was not able to rid me if this, but it’s less noticeable than the stammer I went in for.

Take a shot every time bloke says "mhm"

Would be interesting to see someone using the volley sights on a giant target

Please someone make a remix of Botr's umhums please 😂😂

All we need is Lindybeige, British Muzzleloaders, BOTR and Ian McCollum to do a collab and my life will be complete

As the owner of a boer mauser, unless y'all are 7 or 8 feet tall those mausers dwarf the Lee's also thank you for informing me of what to feed it

Always be a feared of the man in a kilt! well unless some has a picture he should worry about ? hmmm

Monty Python meets Dad's Army, meets Blackadder. Nice!

bloke on the muzzle... perfect

thank you guys

Well the fact of the matter is, if the Boers had 40 % of the British numbers, the British empire would have lost. But there were more British soldiers than Boer children, fighters an women combined. We were outnumbered 7 to 1.

One uniform is a bit "snug" when many original belts etc. can't be more than 30". Great you two got together in BC

I own a 280 Remington and you would be correct. Yea unnecessarily powerful for a military cartridge.

The story of the Red Coats is people mixing up the first and second Boer Wars. In the first, the British Army wore red coats (and at Laing's Nek, the Highlanders kept charging against shallow trenches, up an extremely steep slope, and were slaughtered, so that's the battle the rest of the story comes from). Among the lessons of the first Boer War was that red coats and just charging bravely were ineffective against modern armies. Khaki kit is something that resulted.

You need to mention the quality of troops also. Americans faced Spanish troops in Cuba around the same time period. The Spanish had charger loading Mausers the Americans single loading Krags and the Americans defeated the Spanish relatively easily. The main difference was highly motivated volunteers in South Africa and totally unmotivated conscripts in Cuba using basically the same rifle with very different outcomes.

Brilliant - thanks

There is an australian movie about the charge of the Lighthorse Men at Bersheba in 1917,the turks start firing at 1600m,but they didn't aim their iron sights when the Diggers came closer, in fact they firing over their heads!

"This isn't the Sudan 1898?" I'll make sure to use that one.

More.... I want More!!!!

thank you

Kilts were a must in the Sudan. They kept you cool and also kept the flies off your dinner.

Bloody great video lads; not too long at all and full of interesting information. Bloke, do you have any idea about when the "swinging your arms to the shoulder" style of marching came in? I marched like that and so did my Dad but I never thought to ask my Grandad or Great Grandad.

Rob, very interesting analysis of how the training Pamphlets strategies were ignored. However, you should not that your left hand *must* be positioned in front of the magazine, and *never* in contact with the magazine, as the shared magazine and sear spring will be affected if your hand is pressing on the magazine. That said, it's great to hear someone correctly explaining use of single round loading, charger loading, and use of the magazine cut-off. These things which so often are incorrectly explained. Nice one. Chargers, *never* clips, were a topping off device which added 5 rounds to a partially-depleted 10 round magazine, and were *never* used to fully charge the magazine. If you attempt to load a 10 round Lee-Enfield magazine from 2x 5rounds chargers, the rimmed cartridge would cause a jam. See the jam clearance procedure of pushing the rounds to the bottom of the magazine to understand this. It's why the base of the Lee-Enfield magazine is at such a steep angle. Soldiers carried 120 rounds, versus 150 rounds, because ammunition was supplied in Imperial quantities. 120 is divisible by 12, whereas 150 is not divisible by 12.

any reliable data for the specs on the 1893 7mm ammo? ive read 173 grain going at 2198 fps, and 2300 fps

Another crux of the matter are the ballistic performance between the early .303 and 7x57mm. Except at close ranges it matters not that the two cartridges produced similar muzzle velocity with similar bullet mass. To this day a 170-175gr 7mm bullet has the highest sectional density of any, and will shoot further than other bullets which have greater mass and even higher velocity. In the open country, the Boers were always able to maintain a standoff range which the British never overcame.

I have the mark 2 that was used in the boere war

Please make a super long video of you two and Ian McCollum chatting over Whiskey.

At the outbreak of WW1 there were only one or two factories capable of producing the cloth webbing used. These could not keep up with the vast increase in manpower of the Kitchener Armies and therefore a stopgap leather set, in the same pattern, was edveloped called the 1914 Pattern.

I love your videos. I was wondering, do you know of any other channels that do the same sort of video with American, German or other nations? Would love to see someone do a Spanish-American to WW1 video to compare with this one for the Americans.

Also the Boers had a genius general, Genl De La Rey was one if the best we had. Interesting fact is the Boer war was the most expensive war the British fought until the First World War. Of all the Lee rifles I like the No4 the most. My father as a child in 1960's still picked up .303 ammunition from the Boer war.

New to channel, so the Lee Metford has a magazine AND could be single round fed? Casualties in Boer War were horrendous, you just have to look at Spion Kop and it’s aftermath...

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