That means we should all use the widest broadhead that reliably achieves a passthrough. A lot of hunters have the mentality of maximizing penetration at the expense of all else, including cutting diameter.

@@ScottWConvid19 He’s gonna appear - he’s annoying me

@@RanchFairy Well, you might as well have fun with it 🤷‍♂️ I don't have IG and usually catch your YT videos fairly quickly when I get the notifications, so I don't have the pleasure of actually seeing the "Dilberts'" posts, but once in awhile I'll revisit some of your videos and *poof* there he is 🥴🤤

@@ScottWConvid19 Dilbert on insta - man I haven’t done that Oh here we go! 7 foot stabilizers!!

@@RanchFairy You'll never run out of content! 🤣

@@ScottWConvid19 Correct - watch the negative comments and poof - another thing to test!

@@TINYS67 Great example - we can’t control the Animals. But low impact pop, and passthrough - they don’t run like they are stealing something. It’s not when things go right - it’s when things get weird “plan B” that your arrow system shows its true colors

yea he helped me out a few years back even sent me broadheads to try on my gizzly stik arrows I got after watching I have now went down to 550 with Iron will single bevel heads works great with 82 pounds and 29 inch draw I still have my 650 and 750 for pigs though...

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@@rattdrummer1 thank you. It’s one of those things that kinda bubbles up when you are constantly tinkering and pondering

The same goes for a faster arrow.

@ThirdLawPair Sorry, all deer are NOT the same! If you made this comment 15 years ago, I would've agreed with you. The larger bodied, less pressured deer I was hunting on both public and private in IN, as well as on the private land in KY, would hardly move at all. I was shooting a 400gr arrow at 315 FPS. (Not 400 spine. The TAW was around 405, if I remember correctly) The deer wouldn't hardly move. I contributed this to the speed of the bow. That was until I moved and began hunting a highly pressured area with deer that was close to half the size that I was used to seeing. Now, I can not tell you if it's the size of the deer, the hunting pressure, or both, but these deer jump string bad. So bad, in fact, that at 35 yards, they will already have dropped, rolled, and pivoted away. Even with the launch speed of 315. I made several broadside shots that ended up as hard quartering shots between 30 and 40 yards simply due to strin jump. At first, I assumed I just misjudged the angle. But after this happened, multiple times, and one time, the deer rolled towards me, ending up as a near frontal shot, I had to accept the reality. My setup at 315 FPS was not able to beat the reaction time of these deer at that distance. I am not advocating that we all shoot a 650gr arrow. In fact, my suggestion is to be somewhere between 450 and 550. Whatever weight your bow shoots best in the 270ish fps range with more focus on FOC than TAW. Whatever your system is, keep rocking it if it works. I'm not going to say you're wrong because you use the system that works best for you, based on your experience. All I'm saying is that, like most things in life, there is not a perfect arrow system for all hunting situations. I've been on both sides of the argument and decided about 10 years ago that I needed something that would penetrate through the vitals of a whitetail in a straight line from any reasonable angle and limit my shots to 35 yards. That said, 99% of my shots are within 25 yards, with the majority falling around 20. The advantages of that extra 5-10 yards I can shoot with the light arrow don't outweigh the advantages of shooting through a scapula and penetrate straight through into the dirt when the deer is quarter to at 16 yards. If I hunted more fields or open woods, that may not be the case. However, it doesn't make sense to build a system to accommodate 1% of your shot opportunities and have to be more selective on 30%

@@slimjimmy229 My personal preference is for a balanced setup similar to yours. Setups which take any one feature to the extreme tend to do so at the expense of other important features. My comment is just meant to say that the faster the arrow, the less the deer can move, and the greater probability of hitting the vitals. My point is that the logic in the video applies to arrow speed also. If Troy is saying you should always always aim towards the front of the deer to limit the possibility of a gut shot when the deer moves, then by the same logic one would have to say that you should also always maximize arrow speed for the same reason. Which is something we know Troy would never say. At whatever speed the deer can move, if the arrow is in flight longer, the deer will move farther during that time. Where you are spot on is that since the arrow speed is in the denominator of the equation, you get diminishing returns at higher and higher speeds. With a trad bow, you can make the difference of up to tenth of a second depending on your choice of setup. With a compound bow shooting around 300 fps, you can shave of a few hundredths of a second by increasing the speed. Troy is very rigorous with his testing of certain aspects, but when it comes to time of flight, he just blows off the whole idea and doesn't really test it at all. Lucas Palmer does a good analysis using actual video evidence of deer jumping the string to directly measure how far a deer can move during the flight of the arrow. He came to the same conclusion as you and I that a balanced setup is the way to go rather than an extreme speed or an extreme weight setup. Look it up; it's interesting.

LOL best comment of the day.

This about sums it up. Throw up in your mouth a little everytime. I’m not advocating 650 grain arrows. But Troy is probably the only one on any platform doing any real scientific study or observation.

NOCK ON man lol

@@daveyboy8907 hell yea....

I actually quit bow hunting for 12 years bc of losing deer with light arrows n mechanicals. Glad I somehow found this page last year. I’m now shooting a 300 spine 100gr single bevel Iron will. Arrows now topped at 568grains an my confidence couldn’t be any higher. I’m back out now hunting knowing the shoulder is now my aim point no worries thanks RF

That's not his new look. It's Dilbert that shows up in the comments from time to time. He makes his appearance because he dunt wanna get leanrnt bout fizziks an bye-oloy, cuz he nose wuts best

@@rickbal10 STOP WITH FACTS NO ONE WANTS THAT 🤣 😂

Those are the best shots to take. I haven't figured out how to get them to pose just right for that shot yet, but ima work on that one 😂

@ScottWConvid19 patience and a lot of it lol also helps if your state allows baiting like Texas does. If you're hunting public, you take what you can get, though.

@@ohbla101 --baiting-- putting food out is illegal in Indiana but --baiting-- putting food plots out are legal. They are both baiting, so there's really no just logic for one to be illegal But there is a reason and that reason is to generate revenue

That would be awesome!

@@minmaxwax Yes on physiology. I have sharpening videos - get the worksharp - sharpen knives and broadheads

@@RanchFairy Ive already watched on your channel and THP. Will do on getting the Worksharp as Ive needed a sharpening system for way to long. Pretty sure most deer hunters are talking anatomy for shot placement and rarely the physiology of hemorrhage vs suffocation as the cause of death so my ears perked up when you kept saying physiology. Ill re-listen to the vid. Take care.

This!

Good points. Additionally, the exposed area behind the scapula and humorous bones ("the vital V") can be diminished depending on the position of the deers front leg. In fact, I would say that in my considerable experience, the depiction of the position of the leg bones as shown in the skeletal image in this video represent a BEST case scenario and we should assume that the scapula in particular may be angling even more into the lung area. Troy is right on with what he is saying here.

@@T-Mak-s7x Yep - you can’t see them MOVING! It’s hard to see.

"Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." Jesus Christ, KJV 👍🏼👍🏼

@@Marnette88 well, your opinion isn’t the facts and that’s fine - you should have watched that video with a realistic mind that might be prone YEARS of bad information from the “cool guys in archery” (by the way I had a cadaver in school for tests on cardiopulmonary physiology) It’s about the MOST FORGIVING shot placement which means the GREATEST margin for error. Keep rolling man.

@@RanchFairy like you said in the video the animals react downward, there’s so little margin for upward error the tighter you get to the scapula. Also the vital region closer to the neck is not as big as depicted. Take the vital V and go an inch or two further back and now you have the best margin for error. Yes, it does create a situation where you are more likely to hit the liver and have a lower chance of recovery but you are more likely to have a non-lethal wound in the shoulder, scapula in which case you will not find that animal 100% … keep in mind. The scapula is not in the vital region of Whitetail, not recover the animal

​@@RanchFairyHe rolled with the double-down.🤣

The AL Gore Rhythms are out of control, yanking interactions

Same

You're not?

The ideal shot is just above the pump but yeah the heart is in the vital V. I'm not sure you are arguing any point that he made. Sounds like you agree

@@ScottWConvid19 The point I'm making is that you can pick a shot that is forgiving of the biggest unknows in your own scenario. If you are shooting long range with a slow arrow, you'll want a shot that is forgiving of the deer's movement. If your groups are larger than you want, you'll want a shot that is forgiving of accuracy issues. I have more of a tendency to misjudge the angle of the deer, so it is risky for me to take a shot that is very sensitive to the angle of the deer. There's more than one way for a shot choice to be forgiving. The fastest I've ever taken a deer down was when I shot it right through the aortic arch. Which, when shooting from the ground, involves sliding the arrow right under the scapula. But that shot placement ruined loads of shoulder meat, and was too close to the bone for my comfort. There really is no one best shot placement.

​@@ThirdLawPair How many "loads of shoulder meat" are lost if the animals run far enough away you NEVER find them? Backstraps, hams, tenderloins, shanks, necks, ALL lost. His point of the aimpoint being the most forgiving is that deer generally will move forward or down BEFORE they can move in any other direction. If one takes that front half away, they reducing the "margin of error" which = forgiveness.

@@williamgaines9784 Anyone who says they've never lost a deer is lying, but it's not common enough for me to intentionally take a shot that has in the past ruined more than half of the shoulder meat. Especially because a heart shot or double lung shot behind the shoulder has been no less reliable at taking them down quickly and ethically.

@@ThirdLawPair The only deer I have lost was already processed and a hurricane took out the power for 8 days, lost some chickens, beef, and pizzas too.

@@cdcaufman I have a whole series on that on my channel

@@joeymurphy5617 yes - people don’t understand anatomy and lethality

@@RanchFairy Have you tested the new Grizzlystik 200gr Bison XL single bevel yet? That thing looks wicked.

@@joeymurphy5617 I think we are testing it next week with ABF. FEAR THE WIDE broadheads - always

@@RanchFairy those curved blades are a pain to sharpen anyway. I’ve been looking at getting some Samurais

🤣🤣🤣 no thanks

@@GaryLiseo Beer can top at max distance - with broadheads - not field points

@@mikesummitt6485 So go somewhere else is fine. But wow I cannot comprehend this comment. I literally show - if you can’t break bones And you want to shoot a deer in the middle, the facts of what YOU ARE CHOOSING to do. Wait - I get it. You’ve never seen this and it really kicked ya in the nuts “altered” your industry brainwashing. “Red or blue pill Mr. Anderson”

@@RanchFairy to help you comprehend, I was trying to nicely say, you’re a very condescending asshole. On the other hand, I’m putting more thought into that area for shot placement, so thanks for that

@@danielww9022 onward

Yeah, there are a lot of channels that are losing viewers and pro-shops that are losing revenue and equipment manufacturers that are losing sales as this information fights to get upstream and instead of adjusting their business model and actually helping hunters to become more successful, they want to fight against the source of their downfall and unfortunately, they can't even see that they're fighting against themselves. The love of money is a very strong force

@@Deathbybunjie apparently this is a thing. I mean, john Dudley said it to me on a podcast! So it’s real!

@@Bryan-vz4sz it’s on my YT

@@bradwilliquette1347 great idea

Did you even watch the video

@@EricBynog-zd4rd No issues is 100% effective. I gave up my vertical bow because like you “I hate slow crap”. Running a 264 win mag at 140 grains 3200 FPS which means I can just shoot within 2 feet of them and it will kill them every time it’s so fast. Your crossbow is sooooo slow!! You better aim for the vitals. But I don’t have to. Speed of my 264 fixes everything!!!

It all depends on skill level.

I have to disagree with the skill level comment. I can shoot 2 inch groups at 100 yards with my x bow. Target doesn't take a step or move like a animal can. Keep it 35 and under short track jobs more filled tags. If shooting at 100 yards use a rifle

​@@JeremyGibson-ni5uu2" groups at 100 yards. That's incredible! It's unbelievable!!! Incredible: Lacking credibility Unbelievable: Not believable

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@@robinperry9212 Loose skin and the shoulder meat moved back and forth They usually go about 50 yards - easy enough.

I'd say your theory holds water. It can't pump, blood isn't moving, blood trail can be non existent. Last MI whitetail I took was classic heart shot. Full heart, broke a rib on the way out, snapped arrow, threw arrow out and at me. Last light, so lighted knock was my only tell and didn't look good. Found 1 spot of blood. 1. Less than the size of my thumbnail. Backed out and walked his assumed path the next morning and found him 40 yards down the trail. He literally didn't have time to bleed. Good assessment on your part.

@@79travisdee I have to address this - you gotta be drunk or stupid. What in the hell are you talking about on a video about shot placement Vital Organ location Maximum kill zone size? Where the most vital part of a deer actually reside? I’ve got other videos much more appropriate for this comment (and fair). Ah - forget it I’m just gonna light your ass up on Instagram.

We can build hunting projectiles "purpose built" for Plan B!

@@shaneshonda The math!! Man I gotta do a video on that

@RanchFairy sorry you're right 3 1/4 inch target.

Someone was asleep in Math class 🤣🤣🤣.

its only a three inch blade in one direction but i guess i can time the rotation of the arrow to get maximum span...

@anotheryoutuber_ what about the 3 blade?also if you hit high you'll break his back and even shorter blood trail.i have shot 2 bucks that I hit this artery and I use a 1inch cut 100g blade. So it must not be too hard to hit

15:22 I had a feeling I'd find you if I came back to read the comments! Thanks for your clicks, views and comments! Your input is extremely helpful in getting the cream to rise to the surface!!!

Aim small, miss small. Ever heard of it? Miss the aortic/pulmonary trunk and you'll still get double-lung.

@@robinhood9241 or brisket and neck. The aortic arch is skewed towards the far ventral cranial side not the center of the lethal target, why would you assume you'd only miss to the dorsal caudal side?