Bows and bullets vs Sand Bags

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3 жыл бұрын

Years ago I met a girl who lived in Sarajevo during the siege and she told me that they were using bows as well as assault rifles on the front lines as they shot through sand bags and water butts when bullets didn't - I needed to find out for myself; do arrows do things bullets can't?
I looked at this quickly in an earlier film but guns are tricky here in Europe, so Curt at the the VSO Gun Channel offered to do the firearms side in one film in the US and I did the arrows side over here in the UK and we spliced the films together; but with our own versions - two for the price of one!
Check out the very cool VSO film here • Arrows are Better than...
Please also excuse my 'village idiot' look for the links into Curts film - I have no idea what happened and I see no reason any of you have to mention it!
The Lockdown Longbow series of films uses a crossbow that shoots medieval weight arrows at the same speeds as a 160lbs English War Longbow and allows me to run a series of trials against armour and all things medieval longbow related. The first film in the series starts here • CRAZY idea... War bow ...
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@VSO_Gun_Channel 3 жыл бұрын

Hey everyone. It was great to work on this project and I am very happy to see it come to fruition.

@michaelb5476 3 жыл бұрын

Now shoot an arrow from a shotgun at the sandbag.

@Jack-bp3ns 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting results thanks for the experiment!

@SpaceGhost1701 3 жыл бұрын

This dude's channel is full of bigoted commenters encouraging violence and promoting ridiculous conspiracy theories. What a great community he's cultivated!

@foldionepapyrus3441 3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelb5476 I'd be more interested in a slug of similar mass to the arrows - a good way to find out how much the longer arrow that won't tumble improves penetration, and how much is just the differing momentum/inertias for similar kinetic energy.

@Jack-bp3ns 3 жыл бұрын

Hey you William, listen, sort your own life out, you have too much time on your hands, get a job, find a partner, stop being a single minded simp, your welcome for the advice

@danielbrown9368 3 жыл бұрын

Does not hurt to mention the psychological effect as well. Penetration is good to note, but even with a lighter arrow, if I were a soldier in a foxhole and saw arrows start penetrating the sandbags, I would be much less comfy and more likely to change my location. I would not be inclined to determine if it could penetrate my skin. Losing one's safe position can be devastating mentally. There is a lot of value in that even without causing physical wounds.

@mangalores-x_x 3 жыл бұрын

If all going your way in a modern war are bullets and arrows and the issue are just sand bags, you are lucky because that can be easily remedied. I still think of the Ukraine conflict where in essence every location suspected of housing soldiers was simply bombed to hell by artillery. And that was two sides using pretty conventional means, but still fighting an asymmetric conflict on a low intensity level. I do not dare imagine what level of fire power would have been put on every square meter of assigned targets by actual first rate powers in a full blown war. The question of bullets vs. arrows is frivolous to how wars are actually waged. The Yugoslav war was so nasty because it was a civil war where 90% of it were terror campaigns against civilian populations by either side to displace or kill unarmed civilians. The siege of Saravejo was an absurd event in military terms... but the goal of it was not a military victory

@speckledjim_ 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant point 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@robgoodsight6216 3 жыл бұрын

I would take it personally at this point.

@robgoodsight6216 3 жыл бұрын

@@mangalores-x_x ...you are right...

@garethh6962 3 жыл бұрын

There is stories from the Balkans war if you search opposition soldiers of the Serbian lived in fear of getting a broadheads more than a bullet.

@mikeblair2594 3 жыл бұрын

My dad fought in the Korean war and when I was about twelve he took me out and showed me the same thing. He had seen bows and arrows on the northern Korean side and of course all he had was a 30-06 Garland. His point was that modern technology isn't everything and to never discount ancient technology. He's the reason I'm a blacksmith who makes flintlock rifles and fowlers and sometimes pistols.

@OpiatesAndTits 2 жыл бұрын

Wow how did you get into blacksmithing? I’m fascinated by traditional metal work even if it’s just horseshoes and nails (making weapons would be cool though).

@3nertia Жыл бұрын

That's a beautiful story; thank you for sharing!

@FreeManFreeThought Жыл бұрын

@@OpiatesAndTits Most towns/areas have some sort of museum/ historical site that is willing to take volunteers. That's how I got started, even a weekend a month or a couple of weekdays a month is enough; volunteers willing to learn old trades and skills are ALWAYS wanted.

@backupintheday9710 Жыл бұрын

All Wars are Fake so I doubt that your claims have any basis in fact.

@gwynroberson198 7 ай бұрын

If I was given a free hand to design a projectile for this job then it would in general be longer heavier and lower velocity. Using 55gr 5.56 is daft this is short and fast.

@GiantArapaima74 3 жыл бұрын

When penetrating through a relatively dense medium, you need cross-sectional density. That is what arrows have and bullets lack.

@Chevymonster203 3 жыл бұрын

Late response but as someone that shoots myself, if you shoot a 9mm into a gallon jug of water it will explode the jug due to it dumping all it's energy in one instant and doing massive damage which is what you want. If I bullet goes through someone they can literally just keep walking. You need that internal damage to stop a perpetrator.

@hypothalapotamus5293 3 жыл бұрын

My guess is that penetration (assuming fixed cross sectional area and no deformation) in sand is determined by momentum. The modern crossbow supplies nearly equal energy to the longbow and modern arrows, but the much heavier arrow penetrates much further. This would imply that the arrow is in some sort of viscous drag regime in the targets. This could be verified by finding how many bags are required to stop an arrow vs momentum/cross sectional area or by getting a sideways slow motion shot (and examining the kinematics of the arrow).

@businessproyects2615 3 жыл бұрын

If you press sand so much due to impact, the grains will go very close to each other and form a sort of wall, if you go softer on them they will have time to be moved away. Edit: thought, not sure of it.

@Blutgang 3 жыл бұрын

The velocity of bullets work against their effect on the sand and actually destroys the round because in quickly compresses the medium in front of it. Like a wall as mentioned above. The slower arrows/bolt actually plow through the medium. With the arrival of gun powder fortifications moved from stone and wood to packed and ramped earth for these reasons. I never expected to see the arrow/bolts do so well but it all makes sense now. A better test for both the arrows and bullets would be a few actual sand bags laying flat and stacked as used to fortify a position. I would stop bullets even better and might offer a challenge to the arrows. I believe a standard sandbag is about 12 inches wide so not sure how that compares to the thickness of the bags used.

@fuchsroehre 2 жыл бұрын

it's not only the momentum (which is still 2x greater in a .308 compared to a 200 lbs crossbow), it's the hydrodynamics … water or sand particles move out of the way at typical arrow speeds (45 - 100 m/s) but cannot do so at supersonic speeds. Same reason why a slower moving bullet of same cross section and similar weight will penetrate deeper, see 7.62x39 vs. .308

@repletereplete8002 3 жыл бұрын

builders sand is coarse and locks together under pressure and that's why it's used in construction. What's happening here is similar to slowly pushing your flattened hand into sand (the arrow) and forming a fist and punching the sand (the bullet).

@ReaperCH90 3 жыл бұрын

Thx for the explanation, makes sense

@crumblethecookie6118 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and there is not much preasure from the top. So there isn't that much friction to slow down the arrow. Next video: which bullets can pierce an arrow stopping fabric. May be as well a good test for all the target archers which have to deal with different arrow weight, speed and tip shapes.

@mikulasalbrecht2823 3 жыл бұрын

similar thing happens when you shoot powerful rifle at water, the bullet basically desintegrates on impact, yet from a handgun it at least goes a couple meters in

@kilianortmann9979 3 жыл бұрын

Adding a bit onto this, sand (at least wet sand) is a shear thickening fluid. That means the viscosity increases with an increase in shear rate. At low shear rates (deformation over time), such as a low speed impact, it exhibits a low viscosity, so less resistance to deformation. At high shear rates, like a gunshot, the viscosity is higher, meaning more resistance to deformation, stopping the bullet.

@timolynch149 3 жыл бұрын

@@kilianortmann9979 I would also be guessing that the material of the projectile plays a minor part here. Bullets (at least the ones used here) are made from softer metals such as lead, copper or lead / copper alloys. Bullets of this will spread the impact over more area whilst deforming, transferring more of its energy to the actual target. Arrows, bolts etc are made with penetration in mind. I'd be curious to see if the results are different with any type of armour-piercing bullets (and I would be guessing it might be).

@jonathanwessner3456 3 жыл бұрын

I am betting that the sand is similar to how water is to bullets. The higher speed bullets hit it and the sand acts more like a solid than a loose composite. Water causes high velocity bullets to shatter (as per Mythbusters) So, the sand becomes a non-newtonian liquid, where force causes it to act as a solid.

@markusb7804 3 жыл бұрын

I d guess so as well. The lower speed of the havier arrow might just give the sand more time to "flow" out of the way, and the higher momentum keeps it going

@jinxhead4182 3 жыл бұрын

That is precisely what's happening which also allows bullets to actually do what they are designed to, expand to transfer more energy, which ofc decreases penetration once they hit a target. Arrows, being slower and having more mass, don't face the same problem.

@AngDavies 3 жыл бұрын

True for the faster bullets, but even the 9mm has much more energy than the arrow and was stopped unscathed. Speed just doesn't do that much for penetration when the limitation is drag

@jonathanwessner3456 3 жыл бұрын

@@markusb7804 Add in that the arrow is shaped and hardened so it maintains shape, and it won't deform like the lead bullet. Even the copper on did a bit.

@Zigg33 3 жыл бұрын

@@markusb7804 I think the same :D

@drewwilliams4642 3 жыл бұрын

There are stories of Fred bear, of bear archery company, going around in the 1940’s and 50’s doing demonstrations to prove the old bow was a legitimate hunting weapon by shooting arrows through bags of sand that had stopped rifle and revolver shells.

@badpossum440 3 жыл бұрын

I had an 80 lb Bear bow back in the '70s & it shot right through wild boar out to 50 yds.

@biteme263 3 жыл бұрын

Well the problem is bows and bullets kill in completely different ways. I am not going to say bows are not a legitimate hunting weapon because I have hunted with them. But comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges. And anyone that thinks a bow is as effective as a firearm is missing a few crayons from their box if you know what I mean. I am sure Fred didn't think that though he was not an idiot. If I had a rifle or handgun that zipped right through a sandbag without transferring any energy into it I would be pissed. You don't want them to do that. You want them to expand and transfer energy.

@lw8249 3 жыл бұрын

Well, you won't demonstrate much with that. The reason for this difference is explainable with physics. Anything that impacts sand over a certain velocity begins to treat it like a non-Newtonian fluid. When the energy is imparted on the water or sand, it begins to act as solid due to the electrons of its molecules repelling each other. Nothing to do with any other material, from steel or concrete to woods or paper or also animal flash.

@squidwardo7074 Жыл бұрын

@@biteme263 having it dissipate al its energy is better anyway because you dont want to shoot a deer and it goes straight through and hits someones house

@Shiratto Жыл бұрын

@@squidwardo7074I think the main problem there is that you shouldn’t be shooting at stuff standing in front of another person’s house.

@RevAnakin 2 жыл бұрын

As an American who has a healthy enjoyment of both medieval and modern weaponry, this is one of the best collaborations I've watched

@ModernKnight 3 жыл бұрын

Fascinating experiment Tod, lots of ideas for post apocalyptic scenarios too. I shall mention this video to a few writer friends, it might get them thinking.

@Festoniaful 3 жыл бұрын

This Medieval community is awesome, big fan of your channel as well Jason!

@tods_workshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jason, interesting results and comparison I thought

@carvis3290 3 жыл бұрын

I concur! Would make for more interesting and realistic scenarios involving crossbows for TWD or other Post-Apocalyptic Film/Series 👍

@lukeorlando4814 3 жыл бұрын

Hey when is your next video out?

@WardenWolf 3 жыл бұрын

It's simple physics. Against an incompressible medium, high velocity is a projectile's worst enemy. It doesn't allow the medium to flow out of the way quickly enough. What you need is something slow enough that this won't happen, but with enough mass that it will keep going.

@darwinism8181 3 жыл бұрын

"If this were a movie, there'd be harpoon guns," well, damn, I cannot fault that logic at all

@hymanocohann2698 3 жыл бұрын

Cruising sailors! Take note...

@1Mutton1 3 жыл бұрын

All movies "should" have harpoons. Hollywood lost its way.

@Ray_Shabaz 3 жыл бұрын

Besides the overrated ones, how bow arrows in movies work, it's pretty accurate in reality and it's not fantasy

@giovanni545 2 жыл бұрын

Please know damn is a curse word

@Phuskooz 3 ай бұрын

@@giovanni545Damn. You’re right!

@MonkeyJedi99 3 жыл бұрын

I remember in my military training, we were able to see sandbags that had been in place for a while as firing rang backstops. The front were shredded, but the bullets didn't make it out the backs. This gave us some confidence in the idea of taking cover behind a double-wall of sandbags. They also taught us to use logs and trees as hard cover. However... A few years later, I was at a rod and gun club with my .223 rifle (Ruger Mini-14) and we ran out of target before we ran out of rounds, so we propped up some fresh-cut logs between 10" and 16" out at 75 yards. After firing a couple of magazines, we went and checked to see if we were hitting, id the logs had tiny holes in the fronts, and the backs were hollowed out like a beaver went at them. - conclusions: Logs don't stop bullets as well as sand. (or much at all) But they do stop the HECK out of arrows.

@elirantuil5003 3 жыл бұрын

"I met a girl on Sarajevo" such a beautiful beginning to a sentence.

@rhemorigher 3 жыл бұрын

I had the strongest impression he was about to break into song.

@DenajM25 3 жыл бұрын

Every start to an akkordian song in bosnia ever

@danielaramburo7648 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, keep it family friendly!!!! Joke

@wanderingwizard1361 3 жыл бұрын

One thing I definitely did a lot in the Marines was fill sandbags. The bags are rectangular. The best way to stack a sandbag wall is to make a lattice work pattern by stacking two bags side by side with their longer sides touching and then to stack two more bags on top of them going the other way. A normal sandbag wall would have a bit more pressure pushing down from the top on the sandbag. When a sandbag wall has been in place for awhile, the sand also becomes quite hard packed. I'd be interested if there would be any differences.

@Mystprism 3 жыл бұрын

I imagine there would be a big difference between a properly packed bag laid sideways and a bag of play sand sitting upright.

@WayneRandall 3 жыл бұрын

@@Mystprism If anything makes a difference, I'd say the material the bag is made of plays a bigger part than the way the bags are stacked. Sand is sand no matter how the container is oriented. The 'only' difference in the Wandering Wizard's Marine Sand Bag and the ones we saw here is the sack the sand is in.

@whirving 3 жыл бұрын

I expect that wet sand would change things too, I know it does for compaction when building foundations and roads. Water MUST be used when compacting sand and other aggregates to reach full compaction.

@Olav_Hansen 3 жыл бұрын

@@Mystprism I think the only real difference is going to be by the tighter packing of the sand caused by the pressure from above.

@paoemantega8793 3 жыл бұрын

I agree wandering wizard

@CraigLYoung 3 жыл бұрын

I saw that same demo back in the late 60's at Boy Scout Camp. A lot of Scouts wasn't taking archery safety seriously and they showed us a 45 lbs long bow with arrow would penetrate a box of sand further than a .22 long.

@iododendron3416 3 жыл бұрын

I used to do some archery in a gymnasium that also had a football goal further down the range. One day, someone missed the target and hit the aluminium post of the goal. It made quite a sizable dent coming from a less than 30 pound compound bow.

@BY-bj6ic 3 жыл бұрын

I saw a similar demo on the show "That's Incredible" in the late 70's early 80's. I think they used a 30-06. It was a long time ago.

@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын

Yup. Good way to refocus the attention.

@nokta7373 3 жыл бұрын

So, all I need to do to be bulletproof is to walk around in my sandbag armor.

@juanixinauj 3 жыл бұрын

This was a very interesting collab! Thank you Tod and also Curt for this experiment! I believe Curt got it right about the bullet being designed to break abruptly after hitting the target. The projectile brakes apart on impact and that gives the intended result, because now each little bit has less momentum. At greater velocities, much more considerable the breaking (like what happens with Whipple shields protecting spacecraft against debris flying at 7.7 km/s, for example). The arrow being slower conserves its momentum without breaking and keeps going through the sand. Cheers!

@alanbutler7712 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for mentioning Whipple shields. I am going to go learn more about them. 😀

@jjmeyer74 3 жыл бұрын

I love the logic to include the harpoon gun. I wish there was a shot of how high my eyebrows raised when Todd broke that out.

@adambielen8996 3 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna guess all of us on that second bit.

@extrastuff9463 3 жыл бұрын

@@adambielen8996 In some older videos he brought up at times that he used to regularly work for tv/film productions to build contraptions that do things. Might be a leftover from that time to either have a harpoon gun available if the production needed it or uh out of curiousity when he found out during those times that harpoon guns are interesting. Edit: I think at least he used to make contraptions as well, might've always been limited to making sword/knife type props. It's honestly been too long since I watched those, had a quick peek through the backlog but none of the videos really stand out as "yea it was in that one". I could find the recent one about "Why are movie swords always wrong?" but that one seems to be about the weapons props business.

@zikmunddvorak4816 3 жыл бұрын

Harpoon is totally legit. If the ballistics of the penetrating the sand resembles water, then it is great choice to bring some weapon which is designed to work underwater. I bet the same results would be achieved with APS underwater rifle, but it its not something people usually own.

@simonbrooke4065 3 жыл бұрын

@asdrubale bisanzio Dammit, I had not known such a thing had ever existed. Apparently it was supeceded by the ASM-DT amphibious rifle, which shot with good efficiency both under water and in air. Why has no video game included these?

@fnors2 3 жыл бұрын

@@simonbrooke4065 I'd say because underwater gun fights are really rare in video games, most game devs generally aren't gun nerds that know about fancy special guns, and (probably the most important reason) it's better to have inaccuracy if it means better gameplay.

@NecroBanana 3 жыл бұрын

I guess that lady knew what she was talking about. War does that to people, indeed.

@ericv00 3 жыл бұрын

You don't forget the ways your friends and family are killed.

@harazhangf5782 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks to The VSO Gun Channel for the cooperation on this really interesting video. As always damn good stuff Tod.

@aaronclemons2287 3 жыл бұрын

This was a great collaboration of two different knowledgeable tradesmen discussing and experimenting topics in their respective profession! I am so hopeful of the future now!

@alexandersarchives9615 3 жыл бұрын

18:41 “what does that mean?” It means modern Italy needs to re-instate the Genoese crossbowmen and modern Britain needs longbowmen

@MrBottlecapBill 3 жыл бұрын

Call them the De-entrenching squad. :D

@CowCommando 3 жыл бұрын

I know this is a joke, but the other advantages of firearms more than make up for the fact they won't get through a sand bag imo.

@skepticalbadger 3 жыл бұрын

@@CowCommando Not to mention the various other options above squad level for dealing with effective cover like .50/12.7mm, 14.5mm, 20/23mm, grenade launchers, rockets, recoilless weapons, artillery and aircraft.

@jfan4reva 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, but a clip with like, 14 longbow arrows is going to be a bit unwieldy....

@alexandersarchives9615 3 жыл бұрын

@@jfan4reva I’m sure Jörg would find a way to make it work :)

@dogishappy0 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry mate... you can't stop the internet from talking about the cat that made an unexpected guest appearance in your video.

@1Mutton1 3 жыл бұрын

I thought I was the only one that noticed.

@justskip4595 3 жыл бұрын

Todd Catler?

@batman9592 3 жыл бұрын

It's in Cat Heaven now.

@alexwright6038 3 жыл бұрын

We had a five year old boy wonder between the butts and the shooting line. He came from right to left, fortunately there was a left handed archer at that the end of line so was able she him and raise the alarm and stop the shooting. The number of time people just wondered onto the shooting field despite the signs was amazing.

@boxhawk5070 3 жыл бұрын

@@justskip4595 Tab Cutler.

@zacharymoye7272 3 жыл бұрын

As an American who enjoys guns, I am extremely impressed with the power of bows! Love your videos Todd!

@dELTA13579111315 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheJimyyy Every single bullet he fired with the exception of the 22lr and 45-70 was FMJ, and even the 22 was very similar to a FMJ being a copper plated round nose. The 45-70 being solid copper had more penetration than an FMJ would

@desburnett5406 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheJimyyy FMJ will be far better than anything lead or anything designed for expansion - but that's academic here because deformation isn't the issue here, sand is just weird stuff where high velocity impacts are concerned, seemingly becoming (proportional) more resistant the higher the velocity...

@ulfrinn8783 3 жыл бұрын

to make a point, arrows are designed to pierce and cut, like a sword. Bullets are blunt and operate on concussive force, more like a hammer. How, while a hammer isn't going to penetrate through a helmet, taking a bec de corbin to the dome will kill you easier than taking a sword thrust to the helmet. The fact bullets punch holes in things is because it's a LOT of concussive force.

@A2Z1Two3 2 жыл бұрын

If you could stop the bullets tumbling on impact they would perform better in sand .

@MustObeyTheRules 2 жыл бұрын

It’s the same affect as shooting water with a bullet and arrow

@seanlavoie2 3 жыл бұрын

I think the sand test and the water test might have a lot in common. When the MythBusters tested shooting bullets into the water they had similar results to the bullets with the sand bag test. Great video. Very interesting stuff :)

@BlameTheController 3 жыл бұрын

Cat 9:45

@megadwarf4714 3 жыл бұрын

this man has a jetpack cat addiction

@orangesims 3 жыл бұрын

Came to the comments section to make sure I wasn't the only one to spot it

@Jim58223 3 жыл бұрын

Cat Easton? Or perhaps Cat Todeschini or Catschini.

@njones420 3 жыл бұрын

typical cat "WFT was that!" reaction

@Miki112xD 3 жыл бұрын

My cat tends to go where the arrow hits, making any attempt at shooting very stressful

@samsmart1392 3 жыл бұрын

During my hunter's education course here in Ontario, Canada, we learned a little bit about this. Keep in mind that this was almost 18 years ago, so I may have forgotten details. What we were taught is that arrows basically stab through their targets, cutting through the target and retaining as much of their kinetic energy as possible, delivering more of a slicing wound. On the other hand, bullets- by design as I understand it, transfer the kinetic energy into basically a punch that pulverizes what's in it's path through concussive force.

@superdupergrover9857 3 жыл бұрын

That's as good as an explanation can get in two sentences.

@LaughingMan44 3 жыл бұрын

That sounds incredibly wrong. Hollow points are designed to dump energy, sure, standard bullet design for the calibers in question are designed for penetration. That sounds like some fudd science to me. The likely explanation is that sand acts like water, higher the velocity the more it resists. A slow moving projectile that still has enough mass will penetrate more readily, as the 7.62X39 did. Arrows are high mass and slow moving. An arrow isn't cutting through the sand any more than you are poking through it with your finger.

@samsmart1392 3 жыл бұрын

@@LaughingMan44 like I said, this was 18 years ago, so I may have remembered it wrong, or they may have taught it wrong, I'm just putting it out there for discussion.

@duranpredur1098 3 жыл бұрын

@@LaughingMan44 Penetrating a target can't be the sole purpose of a bullet, it also have to deal significant damage to it, and that is achieved by dispersing the force of the small (compared to a target) diameter of the bullet over a bigger area. If penetration was so important why not making APDS rounds like you find on tanks? And it's obvious that the force is immensely dispersed, seeing the difference between entry and exit holes.

@robby7997 3 жыл бұрын

@@LaughingMan44 i think that was meant by the person that told him. but i believe wat your saying is correct indeed. bullet has not enough time to push sand appart, so it acts like concrete. arrow is slower, and "cuts" (moves slow enough to push sand appart) and goes trough

@bradylloyd8799 Жыл бұрын

As a longbow shooter and 2A enthusiast from Texas, thank you for this video. It was wonderful, and should you be looking back on this comment section nearly 2 years later; Please ignore those haters that seem to desire to hurt you because of something relatively out of your control. People like William T. Sherman (a funny name given the politics of the actual man) and htomerif should be ignored as they bring nothing of value to the conversation. Again thank you, and please don't let the opinions of the few silence the education of the many.

@tods_workshop Жыл бұрын

Thanks and glad you enjoyed it

@bishopsteiner7134 3 жыл бұрын

this was a great video collab Tod, VSO. Very interesting.

@danielmeyer3455 3 жыл бұрын

I feel like people would have known about this back in the day and therefore never opted for sandbags until bullets came along

@NefariousKoel 3 жыл бұрын

In other words.. use Wood vs Arrows, and Sand vs Bullets.

@RicardoSNasser 3 жыл бұрын

@@NefariousKoel Make a sandbag out of wood, stand behind it and you literally cannot die.

@NefariousKoel 3 жыл бұрын

So.. a sandbox. With Logs and sand between them.

@CharinVZain 3 жыл бұрын

@@NefariousKoel That sounds like a reinforced palisade

@andrewrice2376 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting to see when the arrow broke and then the head penetrated to the depth it did. During the Battle of Shrewsbury in 1403, the young Prince Hal (later, Henry V) was wounded by an arrow to his face, believed to be a deflected shot. This shows how much energy was left in that deflected shot, and how deeply it went into Hal's face (as attested to by John Bradmore's account of his treatment of him)

@hadrianbuiltawall9531 3 жыл бұрын

I remember vaguely when bullet proof vests (early kevlar, etc) had to be adapted to stop knives, etc. This suggests to me that arrows (and most slow moving steel) and bullets don't share as many ballistic similarities as you'd expect. My question is do the archery butts stop bullets? If they stop arrows but NOT bullets, then that's odd.

@paulweiterer6630 Жыл бұрын

I don't think that archery mats are good at stopping bullets. They are designed to let the tip pass, and decelerate the arrow by putting friction on the long shafts, decelerating them slowly. Bullets are stopped by giving them something that deforms the bullet, making it absorb the energy and mushroom to further increase resistance. You would not want your arrows to bent and mushroom out.

@squidwardo7074 Жыл бұрын

@@paulweiterer6630 Yeah bullets stop because they dump their energy very quickly into a target, that's why they stop so quick through water or sandbags, while arrows stop more slowly

@angrypotato_fz 3 жыл бұрын

That was an excellent and enjoyable collaboration, gentlemen!

@johnbeauvais3159 3 жыл бұрын

So there’s the infamous story of “Mad” Jack Churchill starting an ambush by shooting a German soldier with a long bow, in 1944. I’m now wondering if he knew his bow could go trough a sandbag defense and dispatch enemies hidden behind cover.

@mangalores-x_x 3 жыл бұрын

Which is even more remarkable as he was a POW in 1944 and by his own account his longbows were destroyed in 1940 by a lorry and he never used it in an ambush there either (his words, none else's) In short: Quaint story, often an indication that it is plainly untrue. He had a claymore as his officer's sidearm which he might have used in an antiquated fashion to command a charge.... but other than it being an unusual side arm that is not really weird given officers usually did something to indicate an assault somehow, he could have waved his undies for anyone would care.

@Aaron19987 3 жыл бұрын

@@mangalores-x_x I thinking waving ones undies to indicate a charge might be the way to go in WWIII

@callumj4232 3 жыл бұрын

*1940 not '44

@carbon1255 3 жыл бұрын

@@mangalores-x_x How about his use of it in ww1?

@drfill9210 3 жыл бұрын

If people are charging waving underwear, you are watching a different film to a ww2 film

@Crusade1982 3 жыл бұрын

I would like to see how Jörg's 260 pound Adder with the heavy steel bolds would perform against the sandbags.

@raytheron 3 жыл бұрын

Me too!

@Demosthenes10101 3 жыл бұрын

Master Tod, I think I know what is happening here. This is similar to how soft Kevlar armor will stop small arms rounds but not knives or other hand propelled shives. Firearms, regardless of caliber, rely on kinetic force to deliver most of their damage, which, when countered by a softer medium that absorbs energy, like sand, greatly reduce the total amount of energy ultimately delivered to the target. Arrows, are relying more on penetration delivered at the point of the arrow head that push the softer medium aside, rather than hammer it with energy, thus allowing the arrow to move through the sand while maintaining enough speed to deliver damage to a target on the other side of he the sand. Unrelated but your cat (at 9:30 in the video) didn't seem to appreciate be interrupted in the middle of his hunt! :)

@erikbongnilsson246 Жыл бұрын

Great example! Didn't you mean to say the opposite and that sand is good at absorbing the total energy? The total amount of energy delivered on the target is much closer to 100% than the arrows that have pass through. Perhaps the slower velocity of the arrows also gives the material to get out of the way and push at the side, and the supersonic projectile act's almost like a meteorite impact :D

@earthenscience Жыл бұрын

Kevlar stops most knives.

@JakobKaiserCreative 3 жыл бұрын

Great film! Really interesting seeing the two side by side, even though I've seen the two sides of the experiment in seperate videos before. Great stuff.

@Stevarooni 3 жыл бұрын

This is a great comparison, and shows ingenuity in combat. "You're using a bow?!?" "It works. You want me to stop?" "Carry on, soldier."

@sykessaul123 3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure there was a WW2 soldier that went through the trenches with a bow. edit: Jack Churchill, give him a look up ;)

@MrMartinSchou 3 жыл бұрын

Now imagine you're on a battlefield, and the two soldiers on either side of you die. One from a bullet wound to the head, the other still has an arrow sticking out of his skull. Which will freak you out more?

@jamesbparkin740 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrMartinSchou Which was why "Mad Jack" used a longbow, as the signal to start the ambush. Although capturing 42 soldiers at swordpoint basically one at a time suggests also that that was effective

@BluJean6692 3 жыл бұрын

Never underestimate the childlike fear governments and empires have of looking silly, same reason they spend money on tanks and ships they wish they had in WW2 instead of bizarre yet practical concepts like miniaturized assault drones...

@mangalores-x_x 3 жыл бұрын

The artillery and airborne officers look confused... "You still think war is about you?" Mad Jack is cited because out of tens of millions of soldiers mowing each other down (actually usually getting mowed down by artillery, bombs and machine guns) he was this one guy surviving despite his antics... actually his weapon choice supports that it was not the main relevance in combat.

@Sovereign272 3 жыл бұрын

This demonstration is a perfect example why tank shells use arrow shaped projectiles to pierce through armor. They went back to the arrow design because it works

@2bingtim 3 жыл бұрын

Tungstan penetrators are far harder than lead or copper jacketed lead common in bullets.

@Sovereign272 3 жыл бұрын

@@2bingtim this is true but arrow shaped projectile with fins is still basically an arrow

@Atownforevilones 3 жыл бұрын

I believe some of that may be due to some tanks using smooth bores vs rifled. And some using a sabot round.

@Sovereign272 3 жыл бұрын

@@Atownforevilones Both smooth bore and rifled can shoot APFSDS rounds (arrow round I mentioned) Sabot is the round I mentioned too

@pyramear5414 3 жыл бұрын

@@Atownforevilones they didn't used to be smooth bore. They moved to that to take advantage of sabot rounds more easily if I'm correct.

@phatbassanchor 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tod :) Fun and informative as always :) Happy Holidays mate! Adventure on, Phat

@jeffarmstrong1308 3 жыл бұрын

This scenario reminded us of the book b y Desmond Bagley “In High Places” in which a party of survivors of a plane crash in the Andes craft a crossbow from materials at hand to hold off “the bad guys”. In the hands of a retired school marm it proves more effective than the firearms available to their opposition. @Tod’s Workshop Great video - full of interesting comment about the relative effectiveness of the weapons’ projectiles @The VSO Gun Channel - Thank you for your assistance.

@Joe___R 3 жыл бұрын

I would imagine arrow work in a similar manner to knives when used to stab. A regular soft bulletproof vest that can stop a 44 magnum is vulnerable to being stabbed through by a regular knife. The reason for this is that bullets get caught in the fibers & dump all their energy very quickly where knives have a much longer energy transfer and also spread & ultimately cut the fibers in the bulletproof vest. With arrows being so long and also the shaft constantly flexing it has time to move the sand before dumping all its energy so it still has energy after it exists the sandbag.

@KeyserSoze23 3 жыл бұрын

Yes which is why there are separate knife and bulletproof vests.

@Kheldul 3 жыл бұрын

I am guessing that there are no modern vests for protection from arrows. You need to go back to a medieval chest plate.

@ZstarrZ 3 жыл бұрын

@@Kheldul Plate carrier vests (obviously with said plates in them) would provide protection from arrows.

@BobT36 3 жыл бұрын

Yup. A fleshy body is going to have a bad time if a bullet gets lodged in it and dumps all it's energy. All that sand spilling out the bottom would be your shredded organs, heh. Whereas an arrow might pass through and do less damage to the surrounding tissue / organs. If there's some sort of barrier though (especially sand!), obv arrows are the way to go to still do SOME damage at least. I wonder how wood would fare? I presume bullets would do better, or about the same?

@ryanpeck3377 3 жыл бұрын

Its more due to the thinness of the knife, with the tip being being able to start to slip through the fibers and then cut through the strands...soft vests work basically like a tightly woven net, the fibers are strong in that they stretch a little and wont break, the larger surface area of pistol bullets prevent them from piercing through the fibers, its why the pointy (Spitzer) rifle style bullets will pierce through fibers in soft armor. (Also why some pistol rounds like the 5.7 which are spitzer shaped can go through soft armor)

@lukasdimmler2622 3 жыл бұрын

When calculating the penetration of a hypersonic projectile through a medium with relatively low strength, one can use a rule of thumb: The projectile will roughly displace its mass before stopping. The penetration is calculated by multiplying the length of the projectile with the density and dividing by the density of the medium. Since the speed of sound in sand is on the order of 50-150 m/s, the bullets are hypersonic, while the arrows are close to the speed of sound. This makes it possible for the sand to react to the arrows and move out of the way, while it is just pushed forward by the bullet. This can be compared to a bullet vs. micrometeorite hitting water, which has a speed of sound similar to the speed of the bullet. The bullet can move further than the rule of thumb would predict, while the micrometeorite would not, despite it having a lot more energy.

@lukasdimmler2622 3 жыл бұрын

TL:DR It's about the length of the projectile and speed of sound in the medium.

@matthewcallahan7209 3 жыл бұрын

another name for this property is Newton's law of collisions. he proves that for any perfectly inelastic collision, where the target and the projectile end up at the same speed, that the projectile will displace it's mass of the target before stopping because at that point the velocities of the target and the projectile will be equal.

@lukasdimmler2622 3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewcallahan7209 Exactly. Since I wasn't sure on the exact name I didn't mention it. I knew it was Newton, but I didn't know the name of the law.

@2bingtim 3 жыл бұрын

Arrows are well below the speed of sound, c40-120mph. Much pointier than bullets & far harder heads.

@lukasdimmler2622 3 жыл бұрын

@@2bingtim Yes, they are much slower than speed of sound in air. But the speed of sound in sand is slower at 100 to 300 mph.

@forkliftwizard 3 жыл бұрын

You've got some of the best content available Tod.

@Jixxor 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, I am actually surprised the 7.62 did not make it. Thats crazy. I love the random bits you learn here. Thanks for the content and stay safe Tod. And Merry, merry Christmas of course!

@vinojmarotickal4134 3 жыл бұрын

Advanced happy Christmas to all 😍 love from India

@erggml1887 3 жыл бұрын

Merry Christmas to you and love from the US

@vinojmarotickal4134 3 жыл бұрын

@@erggml1887 Thank you brother We love you

@ptonpc 3 жыл бұрын

Merry Xmas and a good new year to you from Scotland UK.

@bacon81 3 жыл бұрын

Merry Christmas friend. God Bless you and your family in 2021 🤓

@tods_workshop 3 жыл бұрын

And a belated ‘Happy Divali’ thank you

@tamarakdevore5354 3 жыл бұрын

Tod, first off love your stuff please keep up the great work. Second i didn't realize i needed this comparison in my life, but now that it's happened its good to know. Third thanks.

@scottlaugher-flintknapping 8 ай бұрын

My dad was a champion archer and taught me this 45yrs ago. He explained that the arrow shaft provided the weight behind the head, something that the bullet lacks. I remember reading books from the famous American archer Howard Hill. He ran penetration tests with arrows at elephant sculls and even shot and killed a sperm whale with a bow....just to see what an arrow could do. He outshot the mexican skeet shooting champlon with a bow... shooting clay pigeons. He held the distance record, number of arrows in the air at once and probably other records too. Hill also did all the trick shooting in the old ' Robin hood' movie with Errol Flynn.... basically all the robin hood shots. I'm sure there's a wealth of knowledge about the penetration capabilities of arrows in his books. Also i remember reading about an American paratrooper being dropped behind enemy lines with his bow in the second world war (probably to beat the sandbags) he went on to shoot german soldiers with it.

@BY-bj6ic 3 жыл бұрын

Great video, Tod Happy Christmas and Merry New Year to you and yours

@malarkthemad4300 3 жыл бұрын

Tod is shooting things, Christmas did come early this year

@Snarkbar 3 жыл бұрын

Great collaboration idea!

@TheGodParticle 3 жыл бұрын

I'm so shocked at the results! incredible insight, Big thanks!

@St0necr0w 3 жыл бұрын

In terminal ballistics, a projectile length 22 times the diameter of the projectile gives the greatest penetration performance, so it makes a lot of sense. Side note, Todd said at one point that the bigger arrows fired from the lockdown longbow were heavier and slower and had more momentum, but if they were fired from the same bow they must have the same momentum of mass x velocity. I assume he knows that, it's hard to make videos. Great work to all, super informative!

@Kaminskip 3 жыл бұрын

That cat got really confused :D

@tods_workshop 3 жыл бұрын

it is one of those cats that is permanently confused

@frankenberry9670 3 жыл бұрын

@@tods_workshop Its a Schrodinger style cat and is always trying to figure out where it is.

@DarksideRogan 3 жыл бұрын

I really liked Curt. Definitely have him back in the future when you can.

@pk-ui6cp 3 жыл бұрын

Anything that impacts water or sand over a certain velocity begins to treat it like a non-Newtonian fluid. When the energy is imparted on the water or sand, it begins to act as solid due to the electrons of its molecules repelling each other. It is a very interesting phenomenon. Obviously, the velocity and kinetic energy of the projectile (as well as its transfer) are the same as those that allow you to shatter/penetrate everything else other than water or sand, and that gives you all that stopping power.

@timelessninja 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great video. Hope you had an amazing Christmas and I look forward to future videos in 2021!

@RAMPED 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for cranking out great content even over the holidays!

@shepardpolska 3 жыл бұрын

Now I am kinda curious how well bullets do against archery targets

@ravener96 3 жыл бұрын

Im guessing its going to zip through no problem. Bullets go through a surprising ammount of wood

@shepardpolska 3 жыл бұрын

@@ravener96 oh I know, but will one target stop something like a .22lr? Or will 2 do it.

@bryanandhallie 3 жыл бұрын

True. Each weapon is better in certain situations. Firearms are better in a dominately significant measure of situations than arrows. But this shows an outlier which is neato

@shepardpolska 3 жыл бұрын

@asdrubale bisanzio I know that. I just mean that I am curious to see the effects on video

@saizai 3 жыл бұрын

@@shepardpolska Same. Seems like a good experiment to me, if Tod can get a gun (or get his target to someone with a gun).

@spudgn 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks to both of you.

@otwk 3 жыл бұрын

10:10 That's actually terrifying - the arrow might be stopped, but the head still carries on, and that in an unexpected direction...

@paavobergmann4920 3 жыл бұрын

I thought about the arrowheads whizzing off in all directions from the breastplate in the breastplate video. Definitely time to close the visors.

@Ithirahad 3 жыл бұрын

You getting shot with arrows is bad enough... but then the arrows start shooting you!

@davidlawrence1279 3 жыл бұрын

A demonstration of the difference between kinetic energy, MV^2, and Momentum MV. Both are conserved, but the effects are different.

@jybuys 3 жыл бұрын

1/2MV^2

@ricomock2 3 жыл бұрын

Nope, this is purely a demonstration on projectile design, primarily sectional density

@knutzzl 3 жыл бұрын

9:27 kitten!!!!!

@adsav18 3 жыл бұрын

A really interesting experiment well done keep up the great work

@clayringler6958 3 жыл бұрын

Well done Tod, very interesting. Its' amazing the difference in ballistics between arrows and bullets.

@styrax6990 3 жыл бұрын

The formula for air resistance is F = 1/2p(v^2)CA F= Drag, p = air density, v = speed, C = drag coefficient, A = cross sectional area. If it is similar for penetrating sand then the speed squared has a big impact on the result.

@JanoTuotanto 3 жыл бұрын

It does not take much effort to slowly push a pointy stick through sand.

@bamsebrumbamsebrumen5403 3 жыл бұрын

Here’s what I believe: we know that when hitting water at a greater speed it becomes like concrete, it just have the time to be pushed aside and since water does not willingly compress you get a major power brake the more speed the more resistance… This probably what is happening with the sand too, the faster you penetrate the more it brakes you, lower speed and large moving mass will therefore perform much better.

@TheFreudgonebad 3 жыл бұрын

The slow blade penetrates the shield....

@bamsebrumbamsebrumen5403 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheFreudgonebad A slow blade, like a sword have trouble penetrating a held shield, the shield will be pushed back stealing the momentum while a much faster arrow has proven to be very nasty there, a least at this channel; however, a shield isn’t a fluid. Frankly, I believe mythbusters proved one could walk on syrup, you just had to stamp very fast, wold be very interesting to see what that war bow simulator could do in that stuff… 😊

@Slash-XVI 3 жыл бұрын

@@bamsebrumbamsebrumen5403 I believe the statement about the blade was a Dune referrence, where body shields do counter fast moving objects (like bullets or ragular hits with blades), but a slow moving object can pass right through and fighters train to deliver strikes in a way where they slow down just before hitting the target to bypass the shield.

@kylekenney1907 3 жыл бұрын

Check out Military Arms Channel's vid with shooting trees with various bullets. The 5.45x39 went through better than a 5.56, a 7.62x39, and a .308 and they all have comparable velocities. My thoughts are that the length of the bullet is what matters most, though other variables are at hand too.

@bamsebrumbamsebrumen5403 3 жыл бұрын

@@kylekenney1907 Yes, hiding behind a tree, even a big one does not work well as a shield if somebody is using a rifle, I noticed that plenty of times during the service, but we never damaged any oaks or hardwood, maybe they resist a little better but probably not by much. I believe speed pack energy according to E = mc^2 so that explains one part while bullet diameter naturally means you have less resistance. Anyway, when MythBusters used paper phonebooks as armour, dressed a car with it, and started shooting and it actually gave some protection, well that sure got me thinking. I believe what we saw there was the fluid-effect which allowed the paper to better pickup and spread the energy, but I'm not a professor. Let’s hop Tod have a bunch of phonebooks, and some archer curiosity, just laying around… 😊

@lorefort 3 жыл бұрын

That was really good, and enjoyable! Not often am I audibly saying Wow! at a video on youtube lol. Thank you.

@BeingBelligerent 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video and colab, greatly enjoyed.

@fastfreddy19641 3 жыл бұрын

It's amazing to think that my 50 pound bow has more peniration in sand than my 308 rifle. 🙇

@edi9892 3 жыл бұрын

Crossbows have been used in modern warfare in limited numbers. Especially during WWII. Back then suppressors were not that efficient and crossbows are easier to design such that they work in any environment be it a muddy jungle, a desert, or the arctic... Even more recently they have been used against suicide bombers as they are less likely to detonate the explosives. All in all, they lack the hydrodynamic shock, but make sizable wounds and can have comparable stopping power to a 45 ACP FMJ

@mariuss4766 3 жыл бұрын

just as someone with a geology background I might throw in the fact that especially if you compare with tests somewhere else you might want to control some more variables like grain size or moisture content of the sand. I know you were just testing around, but it really might change the results enormously. Just think of the momentum difference of the sand the arrow has to move to pierce through

@OperationDarkside 3 жыл бұрын

Just a quick thought, but does water, in this case, act more like glue between the sand grains (surface tension) or just fills the gaps between grains and adds to the mass that needs to be pushed away?

@mariuss4766 3 жыл бұрын

@@OperationDarkside interesting point, i would think the extra mass is the far stronger factor, water fills the gaps between the grains and so raises the density of the whole thing. But i would think there is some interaction between the water and the sandgrains. And the smaller the grains get the stronger this interaction should be. The watermolecule tends to act as a electromagnetic dipole in this sort of things. But a hydrogeologist might be a better person to ask in this kind of questions. But like i said, i would make an educated guess the simple problem of extra mass that has to be moved is the more immediate problem to be looked at

@rinflame44 3 жыл бұрын

That's a fair comment for replicability however as a real-life approximation I don't think the army would be too worried about the exact content of the sand lying around when filling up sand-bags. I don't think there is a manual for using a specific moisture composition of sand for building cover out of sandbags. The point here is that you need to draw the line somewhere otherwise we might end up comparing sandbag efficiency using European sand vs. American sand vs. Middle-Eastern sand etc.

@carbon1255 3 жыл бұрын

It actually doesn't really matter that much- bullets don't go through any density of sand or even rock of this volume, so any one the arrows can is a net gain, as we have no idea of the precise makeup of the sandbags used in the story.

@quintoblanco8746 3 жыл бұрын

As somebody who was in the military, most soldiers don't care about what kind of sand the put inside a sandbag... Nobody told me that somebody could shoot arrows at us and that we had to make our barriers arrow proof. Also, you grab what is available. You don't place an order at the sand store.

@danieferreira9094 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome contribution yet again!

@evanbondonno5209 3 жыл бұрын

what a fantastic experiment to run!!! i loved every single minute of this!!!

@TheMotlias 3 жыл бұрын

09:44 cat on the left is like, what the hell was that! 😂

@maxlutz3674 3 жыл бұрын

The cat seems to be used to that. It did not appear to be spooked.

@blakereid5785 3 жыл бұрын

Air resistance increases exponentially with velocity. A medium with higher density like sand/water will resist even more. So even before deformation, the bullets are resisting a much higher force than the arrows per cross-sectional area. The mass of the object has no relationship to the resistance, so higher mass of the projectile increases penetration without increasing the force they have to fight to penetrate.

@AngDavies 3 жыл бұрын

Specifically it rises at the same rate as the kinetic energy so penetration increases only as the logarithm of the energy at this kind of drag limited scenario- poor gains and the bullet is likely to break apart at that level of deaceleration anyway

@Fedorchik1536 3 жыл бұрын

Not exponentially, but with a power of 2. This is a lot less than exponential growth, but still a very fast growth.

@Prideace93 3 жыл бұрын

mass is only minor factor but shape of the projectile is the major factor

@LaughingMan44 3 жыл бұрын

In other words, slow and heavy = more penetration through water/sand.

@AngDavies 3 жыл бұрын

@@Fedorchik1536maybe mispoke- there are exponential involved- air resistance increases as a square- but so does kinetic energy, rearranging and integrating, you do indeed get that you need to exponentially more velocity to get a corresponding increase I. Penetration depth, assuming an indestructible projectile even

@RyzawaVT 3 жыл бұрын

He's thorough, you're thorough, sounds like a pretty efficient combo to me!

@ChristopherLaHaise 3 жыл бұрын

I just have to say: THANK YOU for doing 2 sandbags as well! I was wondering!

@Matt-sf9ky 3 жыл бұрын

Ah, the difference between cover and concealment. One sandbag is only concealment and should never be considered to be cover. 3 sandbags are considered the min ideal and the standard for a defensive position as it can protect against a light machine gun (though supply, etc. leads some to go with 2 deep). Now if you can get that bolt through 3 bags you are beating out standard doctrine for a light machine gun.

@commander31able60 3 жыл бұрын

I can see bows being useful to start an assault on a position fortified with sandbags. it would take people by surprise and they might even jump out into your line of sight.

@SBBurzmali 3 жыл бұрын

Well, there's the whole downside of them shooting you with assault rifles at distances that significantly out range your crossbows and that the folks can foil your ingenious strategy by dropping a few thin pieces of corrugated metal around, at a notably lower cost than outfitting your army with crossbows.

@MrBottlecapBill 3 жыл бұрын

@@SBBurzmali True. They don't usually build fortified bunkers without a fairly clear field of view around them. However... you could stroll up to them with a wheel barrow of sand bangs in front of you quite safely apparently. Even if they see you........too bad lol.

@wytfish4855 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrBottlecapBill sandbags are heavy though, i wouldn't want to be the poor sod chosen to push a barrow of sand up onto a fortified position. at best you get shot at, at worst they might think you a great landmark to calibrate their mortar shots

@smokerxluffy 3 жыл бұрын

Been saying this about momentum for years and especially how it relates to cutting with a sword. Thanks for giving me more material to work with in convincing people!

@JayMan2456 3 жыл бұрын

this was cool to see, wasn't expecting that out come

@greenhoodedvigilante458 3 жыл бұрын

I am really impressed by the results. All of those bolts/arrows went clean through the sand bad unlike bullets. But I think one thing is missing. You should've shot a recurve bow too (If that was available to you). It would be nice to see what the result could be.

@rickershomesteadahobbyfarm3291 3 жыл бұрын

Every government after watching this video “yeah. We’re gonna have to ban bows now.”

@stiannobelisto573 3 жыл бұрын

In some European countries you need a license to own a cross bow, it's shocking

@TomKappeln 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly what Germany has on plan now ... I moved to Poland in 2019 and over HERE i can CARRY my LOADED Colts ANYWHERE excluding in public transportation .. God damn i feel so happy leaving communist Germany forever.

@Treblaine 3 жыл бұрын

"Ban sand as well!"

@Gingerninja800 3 жыл бұрын

@@stiannobelisto573 crossbows are more weapon-like. To use a properly dangerous bow (100+ lbs) its typically years of practice, which suggests you're at the very least competent, knowledgable and experienced so youre less likely to be irresponsible with it. With crossbows, any dick and tom can buy one and shoot a bolt at high draw weights. Even if its not done maliciously, any accidents due to ignorance are way more devastating. so i think different licencing for crossbow/guns/bows makes sense.

@kkwun4969 3 жыл бұрын

@@stiannobelisto573 lmao i made one when i was 14

@VictorianTimeTraveler 3 жыл бұрын

Great work Todd, as always.

@christophe5954 3 жыл бұрын

That's incredible ! Merry christmas !

@simontmn 3 жыл бұрын

So sand is amazing vs bullets. But better hope they don't bring a bow to a gun fight!

@johnbeauvais3159 3 жыл бұрын

Jack Churchill is an exact example of someone bringing a long bow to a gunfight

@mangalores-x_x 3 жыл бұрын

@@johnbeauvais3159 A short check indicates he never did as he said himself that he lost the longbows during transport so never used them.

@simontmn 3 жыл бұрын

@@mangalores-x_x aww

@commander31able60 3 жыл бұрын

I guess the guys in the Boer War, World War I, II, etc. that used sand bags knew what they were doing.

@iododendron3416 3 жыл бұрын

There was one British soldier during WWII who still used a longbow. I guess he too knew what he was doing...

@commander31able60 3 жыл бұрын

@@iododendron3416 Jack Churchill himself stated his bow was crushed and became unusable early in the campaign.

@iododendron3416 3 жыл бұрын

@@commander31able60 maybe the sandbag to bow ratio was just too great...

@commander31able60 3 жыл бұрын

@@iododendron3416 no "they" are covering up the fact that bows are actually the superior weapon to firearms.

@iododendron3416 3 жыл бұрын

@@commander31able60 'they' wait until nobody has a bow anymore and then they strike with their bows.

@ozziejim8472 3 жыл бұрын

Great effort boys! I remember reading something similar Fred Bear did when a couple of fellas scoffed at his recurve. He show shot a bucket of sand and so did they with similar results! Fascinating and fun.

@disastrousemouse 3 жыл бұрын

Just found this channel! Awesome!

@alexandersarchives9615 3 жыл бұрын

10:12 wow, that’s crazy! I thought the head just buried itself in the wood at first!

@gunar.kroeger 3 жыл бұрын

I think you're right, but also bullets are much faster. And the drag through the sand increases quicker than linearly through the sand

@samcoote9653 3 жыл бұрын

Great video as always Tod, man those heavyweights are brutal, and big thanks to VSO Gun Channel for coming on, collaborations get everyone involved and it's good, just ignore the negative stuff, most of us are here for results, not politics. Great Video guys! Merry Christmas too! (also, VSO if you see this comment, how's that Henry to shoot? 45-70 as far as I know is a pretty brutal round, both downrange, and on the shoulder) Cheers lads!

@Reginaldesq 3 жыл бұрын

Another awesome video, thanks Todd and Kurt

@Miki112xD 3 жыл бұрын

God, I wish I had so many crossbows just collecting dust in my shed. Btw it seems that you are gambling your camera life again

@foldionepapyrus3441 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, somebody get Tod some decent longer lenses so the cameras can be safely out of harms way while focused at what we want to see!

@AllanMacMillan 3 жыл бұрын

I was going to suggest he get a plate of glass to place in front of the camera... But this means we then need a new series "Arrows vs. Glass" to see how thick the glass needs to be to stop/deflect an arrow.

@Miki112xD 3 жыл бұрын

@@AllanMacMillan I can't see any downsides in that

@ptonpc 3 жыл бұрын

That camera is sure to dine in Valhalla one day. He used what looked to me to be an old riot shield to protect it in one video (I'm not sure if it was, it just resembled one).

@AllanMacMillan 3 жыл бұрын

@@Miki112xD You're right, no downsides at all. I've got a crossbow I built, and I'm actually thinking of trying it out against glass now because I'm curious. Mine is no lockdown longbow though, it's an inefficient leaf spring bow with no compound, only ~42 Joules. Tod's compound bow fires those medieval arrows with over 100 Joules (perhaps 120?) I can't recall the figure, it was discussed in an earlier video though. I think if the glass were angled, it would still break but may stand a chance of deflecting the arrow.

@inasapostle13thapostleofthe12 3 жыл бұрын

Cat middle left ^^ 9:22

@geraldthompson6904 3 жыл бұрын

AWESOME video Tod , very informative & interesting , Hopefully at a later date could you try a similar test using Gravel in the bags , and also Gravel/sand mix ? would be good to see , anyhow thanks for posting ,and keep doing what you do ,as it's great 10/10

@valkoharja 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent stuff. Thanks to you both.

@gettitnow3785 3 жыл бұрын

Heavy and slow offer more penetration, that's why in America, if your hunting in a heavy brushed area we hunt with what we call a brush gun

@18IMAMGODINA 3 жыл бұрын

Not really , don't sent work quite like that

@gettitnow3785 3 жыл бұрын

Actually it does work like that

@MrBigCookieCrumble 3 жыл бұрын

Does it fire brushes or is it made of them? Or perhaps do you use it to hunt run-away brushes? Curious European asking.

@gettitnow3785 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrBigCookieCrumble It's called a brush gun because the projectile is heavy and slow when with punch through brush instead of light and fast with the brush will cause the projectile to reflect off target

@kdb678able 3 жыл бұрын

@@gettitnow3785 Lucky Gunner tested it and the results surprised me. 30-30 seemed to do a bit better than .223, but the 45-70 (which you would expect to be the King of Brush Guns) deflected about as much as the .223. Conclusion was, don't trust your big Brush round to blast through a stick and keep flying straight. It could turn a lung shot into a gut shot.

@chrisjones6002 3 жыл бұрын

In a way this reminds me of the difference between a bullet hitting a kevlar vest vs a knife. Generally speaking the knife with stab right through a bullet resistant vest unless it's specifically made to stop them. My understanding is that is due to the knife cutting the fibers and not being deformed. My guess is the weight of the arrow and the fact that the sharp points "cut" through the sand is why they pass through. The bullet is smashing into the sand and some deform as well.

@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын

I think it's more the knife pushing the fibers aside than cutting the Kevlar. Ever tried to cut a seatbelt with a knife? Kevlar is much tougher.

@chrisjones6002 3 жыл бұрын

@@ScottKenny1978 I'm pretty sure it cuts the fibers at as much as anything but I think the analogy still fits here.

@chrisjones6002 3 жыл бұрын

@@ScottKenny1978 also I have cut a seat belt or two, it wasn't that tough really.

@rdtradecraft 3 жыл бұрын

I recall from a history class long ago that there was a period before the advent of repeating rifles in wide use during which it was hotly debated at West point and the other US military academy as to whether to include archery in the weapons training, because bows could be reloaded so much faster and often did more damage than bullets of the time. This video sheds some interesting light on that.

@tods_workshop 3 жыл бұрын

I wanted to make this film because I found the subject matter interesting and the results surprising, but I did specifically ask that politics be kept out of it - If you could respect that I would really appreciate it.

@kevinwestermann1001 3 жыл бұрын

Understandable and sensical. One political topic possibly worth mentioning, though: If the current trade and travel embargo for the UK goes on for longer, how will you be treating purchases from your shop?

@BrigadierPickles 3 жыл бұрын

I think it's a perfectly reasonable request to ask that politics be kept out. Just because a video is arrows vs bullets doesn't mean it needs to be political. I do just want to point out that Kurt's shirt is extremely political and stating that he views all gun laws as illegal and doesn't follow them. That's extremely disappointing that you have someone like that on your channel. Viewing all gun laws as illegal and stating that you aren't following them is an extremists point a view and I doubt you'll be able to keep politics out. Either way it was an extremely interesting video.

@normalabby 3 жыл бұрын

Hard to keep politics out of a video where one of the two main people has an explicitly political (and radical) shirt prominently displayed every time it switches over...

@AllanMacMillan 3 жыл бұрын

Your viewership is, I believe, a cut above the average on youtube, and so far the comments seem to reflect that. People are so far steering clear of political discussion. I'd suggest you pin your comment though so that everyone can see the reminder.

@benjaminlabarge4899 3 жыл бұрын

I think its wise on Tods part to put this limitation, because folks (Americans especially, I'm one of them) often forget that even between the UK and US, there is a large difference in culture and communication norms. What may seem offensive or rude might seem normal to another. David Mitchell had a spot on skit about this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e55jatef3bi6g2Q.html