Brake Diagnostic Tips! Common Reasons Why Your Disc Brake Upgrade Doesn’t Work.

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Wiring Rescue

Wiring Rescue

3 жыл бұрын

When you change or upgrade your disc brakes and they don't work right, it can be really hard to diagnose because so many parts are changed. In this video, I cover the common problem areas to check out if you want to diagnose your bad brakes.
0:14 Make sure the brake master cylinder, calipers, and wheel cylinders are matched up properly.
0:40 Master cylinder bore size
1:07 Brake caliper piston size comparison
1:30 Wheel cylinder bore size
2:28 Front and Rear Brake caliper brackets
2:59 Brake pedal mounting hole adjustment
3:33 Brake Master cylinder push rod adjustment
4:00 Brake bleeder screws should always be at the top
4:24 Brake booster adjustment
4:48 Master cylinder brake lines can be backwards
5:24 Hydraulic system diagnosis
8:28 How to bleed brakes by yourself
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@WiringRescue 3 жыл бұрын
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@anomalous9448
@anomalous9448 17 күн бұрын
Thank you thank you thank you. Put on a new master cylinder and no brakes. I had the brake pedal in the lower hole and not the upper. You are the only KZfaqr to address this.
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue 9 күн бұрын
That’s great! I’m glad that you were able to sort it out!
@Heizenberg.
@Heizenberg. 11 ай бұрын
I wasted 5 bottles of brake fluid trying to bleed brake lines. No matter what I did, the pedal remained spongy with no pressure. Eventually, I switched left and right calipers to make bleeder point upwards, and thanks to this guys, it worked like magic. Thanks a bunch.
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue 11 ай бұрын
Awesome!! I’m glad it works now! Congrats!
@JIMO415
@JIMO415 11 ай бұрын
Very well done and accurate video with some good tips. One more note on the booster push rod, if adjusted too long, it will make the brakes drag. My experiences... the last few vehicles I worked on, as far as bleeding, it seems as if the master is fully bled, the systems have gravity bled by themselves (non ABS). For example, if I change a bad line, I cap off the port with a plug like you show, then bend and create my new line based off the old line profile and install the new line by removing the temp plug. This keeps the master cylinder full while you make the line up. After the new line is installed, I then open a bleeder at the end of that circuit and wait. I keep an eye on the fluid level in the master and add as necessary until the fluid runs out the hose I put on the bleeder. I also change my systems fluid by doing the same, one bleeder at a time. You can watch the dirty fluid slowly leave the reservoir. Grease on the threads also helps future removal of the bleeders!
@AntonioClaudioMichael
@AntonioClaudioMichael 3 жыл бұрын
Very good way to diagnose a break system i agree with these steps
@AntonioClaudioMichael
@AntonioClaudioMichael 3 жыл бұрын
Great informative tutorial and demonstration video Brother
@dariokennedy481
@dariokennedy481 Жыл бұрын
This video solved a lot of questions on my 78¨ Toyota Jeep disc conversion. The breaks where weak on 4 drum originally. I changed front to disc but stilled weak. Then I changed the master cylinder for 1¨inch bore and got a little better but it needed more braking power. I checked the original workshop manual and figured out that it had a 10lb retention valve for the rear brakes so I'm planning to get it and try again .Thanks for sharing your tips!
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue Жыл бұрын
Excellent! Hopefully you get it sorted out! Keep me updated!
@AntonioClaudioMichael
@AntonioClaudioMichael 3 жыл бұрын
Great advice
@denniscliff2071
@denniscliff2071 9 ай бұрын
Excellent video! Thank you.
@bellowsjeep3999
@bellowsjeep3999 3 жыл бұрын
Great advice! Thanks for sharing!
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, I appreciate it!
@user-ze9ku1wq1r
@user-ze9ku1wq1r 4 ай бұрын
U corrected my problem, thanks 😊
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue 4 ай бұрын
Excellent! I’m happy that it helped you out! Thanks for watching!
@TheDavidarlen
@TheDavidarlen 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video, helpful
@LennyVinokur
@LennyVinokur Ай бұрын
Very helpful, thank you!!
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
@RYTHMICRIOT
@RYTHMICRIOT Жыл бұрын
I have a 65 impala that had 4 wheel drums.. I bought a front disc brake conversion kit for a couple grand $$$ from Wilwood. After I bought that I discovered I needed an upgraded master cylinder and bought one from CPP. Then life got in the way as it commonly does for a lot of us, and everything sat in their boxes for for a couple years. I eventually got back on task and got everything installed. This included new brake lines. Got everything bled and took the car for a test drive. Brakes worked but I really had to put my leg into it. I read in some forums that you need to use a proportioning valve lock during bleeding. This threads into the brake light circuit on the proportioning valve and prevents the proportioning valve safety feature from actuating and cutting off brake fluid from the side it perceived has a leak. This helped little for me. Then I read for any application using manual brakes (me), a master cylinder with a bore less than 1 inch is a MUST. My master cylinder is 1 1/8". So I just got a power booster. I really hope it does the trick.
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue Жыл бұрын
Good luck with you project! It sounds like you’re on the right track for sure! I’ve also heard that manual brakes need a smaller bore master cylinder. Hopefully it will work!
@Campbase1
@Campbase1 3 жыл бұрын
Good tips.
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I tried to think of all the problem areas I’ve come across over 20 years of wrenching on stuff!
@55chevytruck
@55chevytruck 6 ай бұрын
I put CCP Firewall power brake up grade on my 55 Chevy truck. Never have been happy with them. One more tip is to use a proportion vale tool when bleeding. It keeps the rod from blocking off F or R. Putting in a new rear hose today just to eliminate it. I like the plug idea.
@AntonioClaudioMichael
@AntonioClaudioMichael 3 жыл бұрын
Another good tip would also be when doing brakes if your vehicle has abs be very careful trying to bleed a abs system is a pain if the abs module runs out of brake fluid it can also cause major problems hydrolocking the brake system
@lonestarlows
@lonestarlows 3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. Ive had faulty master cylinder right out of the box. Fluid was bypassing the push rod. And it was getting just enough fluid between the master and booster to cause soft pedal. Big headache chasing that down to discover faulty right out of the box...
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! When things like that happen it’s tough to diagnose. This whole thing started with me doing a disc brake swap on my 64. I tried tons of stuff to make them work right, for years. My current setup works decent, but I still think it could be better. I’m using the calipers and master cylinder from a 72 chevelle, which are a 1.125 bore master, and a 2.94 inch pistons in the calipers. I have a small diameter vacuum booster, and I’m not sure the LS swap is giving it enough vacuum. I’m hoping to have that sorted out this weekend. We’ll see! Also - your videos are awesome. I hope to paint my Impala in the near future and expect to reference your videos quite a bit!
@lonestarlows
@lonestarlows 3 жыл бұрын
@@WiringRescue use a good clamp on the vacuum check valve. It took a while to get my brakes working good. But now you will eat the steering wheel if slam the brakes going 50. There are too many fittings involved on these cars. Too many connections for possible leaks
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue 3 жыл бұрын
lonestar lows - will do! I’ll double check that it isn’t leaking. I’m pretty sure I don’t have a clamp on it right now. I want my brakes to throw me through the windshield! Lol
@BoxcarsGarage
@BoxcarsGarage Жыл бұрын
Great video...going to put that info to work soon. Dad's 33 Ford Sedan brakes (pedal action) is hard as a rock with very little travel. He's running the typical mix rear drums disk front (9in caliper) with booster. Car is an old build so I'm not sure what he bought for a mc/booster. Believe ill start by swapping the master. Thoughts?
@user-fc2fo8vh1i
@user-fc2fo8vh1i Жыл бұрын
i have a 70 impala my pedal is solid until i hook booster up to carbutrator then its drops to ground i did install a mild cam but im lost whats the problem, i just order reserve canister for now ..... but video is very helpful
@CrazyWillie01
@CrazyWillie01 10 ай бұрын
Kinda a good Vid bud . Doin a 56 chev 2 door wagon . What diameter , brak line do you suggest front and rear m converting to front disc , with s-10 calipers , and stock 56 rear wheel cylinders? Hope t9 hear back
@emanuelorozco1439
@emanuelorozco1439 9 ай бұрын
The brakes on my car are very much Frankenstein. I have calipers from a Pontiac boneville, rotors from a Toyota previa, and a custom bracket. It worked for a bit but they lock up.
@georgepapoulidis3083
@georgepapoulidis3083 7 ай бұрын
Hi Mate, great video. I have rebuilt the master cylinder in my 69 camaro wit hfront disck and I just cant bleed my brakes.. I have even lossened the two lines from the master cylinder and I get a very little oil comming out. what could be the issiue. The master cylinder goes into a Proportional valve and then into a metering valve. The pedal feels stiff but I dont get any pressure or oil comming out of the master even thou I crack the lines at the master cylinder.
@Fightthedevil.
@Fightthedevil. 2 жыл бұрын
I put big brake kit on it wildwood
@hmayerv8
@hmayerv8 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting and so true that after doing the conversion, brakes sucks like mad, worse than even before. Here, i have a 79 Trans Am did a 4 wheels discs conversion. Everything new. Pedal feels good and firm after bleeding. Then when you start the engine, pedal goes to the floor. Switch off the engine, pedal goes back up with firm feel. Start engine, goes to the floor. So what is going on here.
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue Жыл бұрын
Check all the things in the video out. It’s a sucky process. It could be anything from air in the system to the wrong brake caliper brackets, to a master cylinder that is the wrong piston size inside. There are endless possibilities. Good luck. I know this struggle!
@hmayerv8
@hmayerv8 Жыл бұрын
@@WiringRescue Oh yes, I blocked off the rear line and pedal is good with or without engine running. Hook the rear line back, pedal goes to the floor with engine started.
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue Жыл бұрын
@@hmayerv8 - if you have somebody to help, watch the rear brake calipers when somebody pushes the brakes and make sure that the caliper pistons are not retracting back too far when you let off the brakes. My caliper brackets were on crooked once that caused this issue. If that’s not it, then my vote is that you need a master cylinder that is the next size up. I use 1 1/8 bore in mine for reference. You can look up specs for master cylinders on rockauto.
@Rickarrrd
@Rickarrrd 2 ай бұрын
I have a soft pedal all the time. Car off, soft. Car on, still goes to the floor. Got the right stuff brake kit for 68 Camaro and went with the Non-Ebrake kit for the rear. I have no idea where to start. The mechanics I have left it with cant figure it out. Thoughts? I can elaborate in better detail if needs be.
@DjTragik951
@DjTragik951 Жыл бұрын
On my 62 with disc brakes conversion it has only one line coming out of the proportioning valve (top small hole) and tee to both front caliper’s the bottom hole is plugged , could that be a problem?
@lauradahlus
@lauradahlus 11 ай бұрын
Great video... One question: How does one re-center the pressure differential valve as it got triggered while bleeding my brakes and I didn't know about the block off plug? 🤔
@betosgarage
@betosgarage 11 ай бұрын
use any tool that fits in the hole after removing plastic threaded brake switch ,move the valve forward or back to center it depending which way it got triggered . you’ll know it’s centered when you see it concaved in
@AntonioClaudioMichael
@AntonioClaudioMichael 3 жыл бұрын
And some calipers are dual piston and some are quad pistons
@ygbodybuilder3023
@ygbodybuilder3023 Жыл бұрын
T I havea 2014 Honda Accord every time I change all pads and rotors it only takes a little while for it to feel like my brakes are not catching sometimes it feels smooth and tha. Others it feels like it's braking I. To nothing as if my brakes already word down, could this be the master cylinder. I'm in my 3-4 brake pads and rotors and still.having this issue
@jamesf.6543
@jamesf.6543 3 жыл бұрын
I swapped over to disc brakes and found that the small diameter brake booster.( 9 inch), required 17 inch's of vacuum to work properly, I only have 12 at idle, so I hooked up a vacuum canister & vacuum gauge to monitor it, when it drops below 17 inch's my pedal is hard, above 17 and it works perfectly, I should note that it does drop 5 inch's every brake application so on occasion I have to "burp" the throttle to create vacuum, wife hates that lol
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue 3 жыл бұрын
Great info! Sometimes I tap the throttle for me, and my brakes! ;)
@AntonioClaudioMichael
@AntonioClaudioMichael 3 жыл бұрын
I see you changed the channel name to match instagram Jeremy Brother love the channel name bro
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Antonio. I also made a fancy new channel logo! (The wheel). I’m trying man!
@AntonioClaudioMichael
@AntonioClaudioMichael 3 жыл бұрын
@@WiringRescue thats all you can do brother is try keep up the great work
@tbirdsteve1
@tbirdsteve1 Жыл бұрын
I'm changing from a single chamber master cylinder to a dual chamber for safety. I'm wondering if I use a master cylinder, correct bore, from a car that has single piston front calipers will it work with my calipers which are 4 pistons each? Too small and not enough fluid pressure perhaps? Or should I use a master cylinder that comes from a car with 4 piston calipers?
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue Жыл бұрын
It’s probably best to use the master cylinder designed for the 4-piston calipers. There is a lot of engineering involved in pushing the fluid around. :)
@scotdouglas9613
@scotdouglas9613 Жыл бұрын
HELP!!!! So I replaced the master cylinder and booster on my 1957 Ranchero. After bleeding the system and with the engine NOT running I had great pedal pressure with no fading. However, once I started the engine, the pedal would go all the way to the floor with no resistance at all. Very frustrating…. What’s the dang deal??? (This Ranchero had a front disc brake conversion a few years ago.) Someone…. Please help!!
@tonyisme4934
@tonyisme4934 4 күн бұрын
Ok I have a 1990 Toyota 4Runner w/ manual transmission 4x4. I have disc rotors on front, and drum brakes on rear. I use OEM Organic pads. I bled my brakes, my brakes work, no leaks. I don't have ABS. Sometimes when I slowly exit the driveway, I will tap the brakes and one of the rear tires will briefly lock up and release, leaving a 8" streak/tire skid in the driveway. Its random, it can be one wheel or the other rear wheel with drum brakes. It only happens at very low speed. Any ideas? I have new dot 3 brake fluid, I never mix synthetic with conventional brake fluid. I have that Load Sensing Proportional Valve in the rear on the vehicle. Its 34 years old, original. Could it be that? Its not my wheel cyl, they are new. They are OEM and I changed them myself, thiinking they were problematic. But they are not. The master cyl is original. But my brakes are working.
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue 3 күн бұрын
Is it possible that the drum brakes are just adjusted too tight with the self adjuster? Is it possible that the rear brake shoes ever got soaked in brake fluid? Sometimes that makes them “grabby”. Lastly - it could be the valve you mentioned. If it believes that there is a larger load in the truck, it will give more braking to the rear. Does it have stock suspension? Could the adjustable rod on the brake load adjuster valve be bent? That’s all of my ideas at the moment 😂
@JMAGG
@JMAGG 2 жыл бұрын
My brake travel is fine. However, my brakes just don't lock up. I can push down as hard as I can and it still just gradually stops. Kinda scary.. the thing that is annoying is I bought the car like this and I have no idea about anything. I upgraded first the booster thinking it was that, then master cylinder with 1 inch bore and still same thing. All brakes have no air in them. Not really sure what to do now
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue 2 жыл бұрын
I use a 1 1/8th inch master cylinder and my brakes lock up so tight my rear tires skid even when I don’t want them to. It’s honestly not great. I’ve considered going to a smaller bore rear wheel cylinder (7/8) to see if that helps. I also am toying with the idea of adding an adjustable proportioning valve to try to dial it in a little better. Once I figure it out 100% I’m going to shout my brake setup from the roof tops so nobody else has to deal with mixing and matching crap that doesn’t work. What calipers are you using and do you have an Impala or something else?
@JMAGG
@JMAGG 2 жыл бұрын
@@WiringRescue thank you for your response, it's a 69 Camaro with c4 brake calipers. That's all the guy knew when I bought it off of him. And yeah it's frustrating when you keep buying stuff hoping it's going to work just to find out it didn't change anything..
@codyramos3200
@codyramos3200 2 жыл бұрын
For 15 years the 66 chevelle my dad bought has had questionable brakes..front disk conversion with poor performance.. brake pedal has always been hard. My dad passed away Feb 11 . Since then I've been trying to fix certain issues with it that he wanted done. The pushrod attached to brake pedal was in the wrong position moved it up to get rid of the angle it was at pedal is now soft lol brakes work a little better . Found that the car still has the small individual distribution blocks from the manual brake set up it came with .. not the proportioning valve that's found in the 67 model that it should for power brakes
@MR_UNOoo
@MR_UNOoo Жыл бұрын
purchased a 67 lemans ...with disc conversion Brakes HARD AS HELL TO PUSH/STOP..WHAT SHOULD I LOOK FOR FIRST.
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue Жыл бұрын
Pump the pedal. Hold it down. Start the car. If the pedal doesn’t go down more when the car starts, the brake booster is not working. That’s where I would start.
@TROKERO559
@TROKERO559 Жыл бұрын
I've done a disc brake conversion with hydroboost I have no rear brake I've adjusted calipers changed master and hydrobust moved brake pedal to bottom hole still nothing any advice thanks
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue Жыл бұрын
Do you have rear disc? If so - Have you adjusted your parking brake ? Depending on the brake system you have, sometimes that will make all the difference.
@TROKERO559
@TROKERO559 Жыл бұрын
@@WiringRescue by adjusting what wilwood tech told me to do us engage and disengage about 30 times and that should adjust it I've done that e brake works but regular brakes dont
@54diggerdown
@54diggerdown 3 жыл бұрын
Dont the old 4 wheel drum brake master cylinders keep residual prrssure?
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue 3 жыл бұрын
Good question, I’m not actually sure. That would be an interesting thing to know though. If so - it may be beneficial to have a check valve on the rear line. Anybody else here know this answer?
@54diggerdown
@54diggerdown 3 жыл бұрын
Or just spend the 15 bucks to get a master cylinder set up for disk/ drum or 4 wheel disk
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue 3 жыл бұрын
adam burch - true. The tricky part is figuring out which master cylinder to buy since they come in so many different bore sizes.
@williamlopez4934
@williamlopez4934 Жыл бұрын
So I have a problem when I slam on the brakes it will not stop on time. Still rolls. Almost ran over a Crack head crossing the street. Lol.. 1957 f100 ,crown vic front suspension 8 inch booster and 1.125 mastercylinder.
@Fightthedevil.
@Fightthedevil. 2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if my 455 442 1969 motor will operate my disc brakes?
@WiringRescue
@WiringRescue 2 жыл бұрын
I depends how much vacuum your engine makes and the design of your power brakes. If you are using vacuum operated power brake booster, it will have a minimum vacuum requirement that your engine will need to make. If you have hydraulically assisted power brakes, the engine vacuum doesn’t matter. If you have manual brakes, the engine doesn’t matter.
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