@rishabhraj5515 3 жыл бұрын
Huge respect for not using football fields per elephants 👏
@michellegoede2258 3 жыл бұрын
Dekra is a German company, so they use sensible measurements
@beaukiff9 3 жыл бұрын
@@michellegoede2258 Yeah.
@siramoras 3 жыл бұрын
@@michellegoede2258 you mean the only acceptable types of measurement
@michellegoede2258 3 жыл бұрын
@@siramoras yes
@akbuilder7626 3 жыл бұрын
I got the same shit on a Volvo. Nothing like just driving normally and then it starts beeping and flashing and slams on the brakes with no one in front of you.
@Darth_Urruz 3 жыл бұрын
Now about the Mercedes safety in real-life. I got nearly killed by Mercedes emergency braking system. While driving through a curve, fully loaded, the sensor indicated something (a rain drop, autumn leaf idk) and started braking with full force in the middle of the curve. Great experience, had to do my best to stay on the road.
@omarmontana1969 3 жыл бұрын
pfff that must be terrific. Well glad ur still alive. Maybe there was something in front of you Haha
@king_83227 3 жыл бұрын
mercedes benz should detect stationary objects not a rain drop or leaf
@terrystratford1235 3 жыл бұрын
I turn all the crap off! Lane assist and collision alert! I frickin hate it when 'it' thinks!!!!!! I'm the bloody driver, let me drive! This shit is because drivers will drive tired or drunk or drugged or on the phone or reading a map and people have died cos they not paying attention! So us professional professionals have to suffer! It like race cars, drivers love a raw car, start putting computers on it to help, drivers hate it!
@pqhkr2002 3 жыл бұрын
@@terrystratford1235 That's why I love 90s cars and trucks, too old means harder to find parts, too new means too many unstable computers. 90s are just right.
@evonation630 3 жыл бұрын
Happened to me it kicked in when raining and the car passed me on the m1 with fog lights on just took a noise dive drive a man truck now no problems yet!!!
@harrisonsaunders4117 3 жыл бұрын
appreciate that you used KM/H
@Penguin_of_Death 3 жыл бұрын
As Dekra is a German company it was unlikely to be anything else...
@Manuel-we5iy 3 жыл бұрын
imperial system sucks
@Lars-gu3wi 3 жыл бұрын
@@Manuel-we5iy Y E S finally found someone who thinks the same
@zaralexanderiiiofrussia2525 3 жыл бұрын
When only in Usa the imperial sistem exist xd
@harrisonsaunders4117 3 жыл бұрын
@@ralzvy mph is easier to understand i think it’s because i live in uk...
@velvetsqueeze 3 жыл бұрын
Test 2: same truck and trailer but switch the drivers. Test 3: same drivers but switch the trailers. Do these and report back your findings.
@charliecroker7005 3 жыл бұрын
Very good answer. They could also show that the tyres are in similar condition, and do the tests with the trucks swapped from one lane to the other, just to cancel out differences in the tarmac- who knows if one of the lanes is covered in bits of rubbed-off rubber from a previous test?
@APAstronaut333 3 жыл бұрын
I did it. It turns out you’re gay
@Zildawolf 3 жыл бұрын
@@APAstronaut333 damn test again maybe the 15th result will be different
@sayingnigromakesyoutubecry2647 3 жыл бұрын
They also didn't say anything about the load. And the trucks... Are the old one the best braker from the era? Is it in good condition?
@lukasebel3994 3 жыл бұрын
Projectfarm needs to test this the way he does it
@domagojmamic7481 3 жыл бұрын
NOW SWITCH THE TRAILERS AND TRY AGAIN
@bakoty6571 3 жыл бұрын
What do u mean?
@blue7081 3 жыл бұрын
@@bakoty6571 Why is the MP4 pulling a curtainsider? Why aren't they showing the load inside?
@Gabriel-he6ih 3 жыл бұрын
No, no, you've got a good point
@momirgrozdanic5954 3 жыл бұрын
Fejkara od videa i to ozbiljna... Bukvalno sam isto pomislio... :)
@scarmafiagaming1598 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like no benefits of lying tho as people could test this themselves and bash that company for lying
@pycanthusderossi4665 3 жыл бұрын
The old truck looks like it didn't even try to brake!
@JB-nu1pk 3 жыл бұрын
was thinking the same.... atleast give it some new brakes
@russell24david 3 жыл бұрын
Guy behind the new truck, better have good brakes too!
@feinschmecker9566 3 жыл бұрын
@handige rakkers Ofc.Cars and trucks are difrent Weight maybe..
@Cypher791 3 жыл бұрын
Thats incedible... bringing 40T to a stop in just twice the length of its self... as a driver you may never have to put that brake pedal all the way to the floor in your whole life but if you do... its nice to know its gonna do the job.
@ilkkak3065 3 жыл бұрын
In Finland they did test with 76 T timber truck and stopped it in 49 m. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hdWVp5B4tNbHhIU.html
@Cypher791 3 жыл бұрын
@@ilkkak3065 Thats amazing, i expected that "A-Frame" drawbar trailer to jack-knife but it all stayed on track.
@ilkkak3065 3 жыл бұрын
@@Cypher791 It stays on track if breaks are ok. Even in snowy and icy conditions.
@driverbank6563 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic to see how technology improves safety, especially when needed in emergency situation. Great video!
@Voda-hn7mq 3 жыл бұрын
Sk, 141, Turbostar and F89....most beautiful european trucks ever
@seze3057 3 жыл бұрын
Show the contents of the second trailer...
@magoid 3 жыл бұрын
My thought exactly.
@mikhoyan5997 3 жыл бұрын
Stay where you are!
@henningquast8456 3 жыл бұрын
The same as on the other trailer, as it’s stated in the video. Both weighing in at about 38,5 tons. Why should they have set this up? Isn’t it logical for a truck that is about 30 years older to have a longer braking distance (old abs, old disc or even drum brakes). The same evolution happend also to normal passenger cars.
@fideramirez8611 3 жыл бұрын
They could be lying and using an empty box, why don’t they use the same trailers?
@henningquast8456 3 жыл бұрын
@@fideramirez8611 Do I have to repeat myself? Why should they lie??? There is no logical reason for them to lie. It’s just normal that modern trucks to have a shorter braking distance than a 30 year old one. Like I said, a Golf 2 also has a longer braking distance than a Golf 7 eventhough it is lighter.
@Sn1perBeen23 2 жыл бұрын
respect for the look and performance of all those old and modern trucks out there
@ThomasTrucker 3 жыл бұрын
0:26 The SK truck braked later than the new one here as you can see, NOT FAIR! ofc a little different but it could make something
@tansugunal 3 жыл бұрын
Agree.
@WEMBLEYNE 3 жыл бұрын
The old one probably have drum brakes on all axles too. Switch with disc ones and it would fair the same as the new one
@MrTchou 3 жыл бұрын
Not 16 meters later though.
@mladenpavlekovic8768 3 жыл бұрын
and the question of what is under the tarpaulin
@leon2678 3 жыл бұрын
@@WEMBLEYNE disc brakes arent always the best ones...drum brakes can be better sometimes.
@charliecroker7005 3 жыл бұрын
Bloke in the SK Merc didn't press the pedal hard enough. Not one wheel locked; not even a puff of smoke. Bollocks test.
@gavcom4060 3 жыл бұрын
quite schewpid innit
@Dysputant 3 жыл бұрын
TBH smoke in new one was from breakes not wheels. If you hold brake to lock wheels... you take longer to stop cose rubber turns into fluid.
@kerozin520 3 жыл бұрын
It has ABS, older truck is from 1997, ABS became mandatory in EU in 1991.
@reggie132 3 жыл бұрын
@@kerozin520 Both trucks should have abs then -.-
@MB2340 3 жыл бұрын
@@kerozin520 that model isnt from 97 there build them from 88. 97 where the Actros.
@johndunley4071 3 жыл бұрын
The new brake sensors on the new mercs can be scary if you on a bend and a twig sticking out it locks your brakes I get it all the time,I say bring back the old trucks better to drive than new ones
@Minemac69 3 жыл бұрын
My antos 2643 only beeps usually, very rarely starts braking
@timderks5960 3 жыл бұрын
First of all: Brakes don't lock on newer vehicles. It's a benefit of driving a newer vehicles, meaning you'll have better control in braking situations. Secondly, no. You're just being nostalgic, and are being stubborn towards new tech.
@Cozzy-Wozzy 3 жыл бұрын
@@timderks5960 Doesn't change the fact that sudden hard braking is going to upset the stability of a 40+ Ton truck going through a corner, regardless if the brakes lock or not. Ever heard of weight transfer?
@timderks5960 3 жыл бұрын
@@Cozzy-Wozzy No, you're right, it doesn't change that very specific fact that you picked for a very specific reason. It does however make a massive difference how the truck responds to this stability change. The old truck is guaranteed to lock up all wheels, which combined with the stability change will absolutely guarantee that it starts sliding when cornering. On a new truck, this risk is massively reduced. Also, weight transfer has absolutely nothing to do with this, but yes, I've heard of it, many times.
@Cozzy-Wozzy 3 жыл бұрын
@@timderks5960 Its really not a very specific situation, and it does happen, multiple guys have complained that it detects small sticks, bushes. And very small miniscule stuff like rubber from blown tires etc. darting out from ditches and what not, and I've even seen in a few videos for American trucks with the system where it automatically brakes because it see's a bridge over the road.
@SyrusWolfe 3 жыл бұрын
Reducing braking distances for safety is good, but there is one thing to keep always in mind: when moving loads of tons, short braking distances could be not so much safer. You're traveling at 80 km/h with a load of what, 5 tons, you brake for an emergency and you stop in 41 meters. The load will do the same? 5 tons at 80kn/h have an immense kinetic energy and the only things that counteract it are the fixing systems of the cargo, if not done properly an emergency braking so powerful like that could end in a catastrophic and potentially fatal accident by cargo displacement.
@simonm1447 3 жыл бұрын
Fixing the load properly is mandatory and it's controlled by the police. The load has to withstand a emergency brake with full power.
@mb-fs1yo 3 жыл бұрын
And everybody is super responsible and don’t use questionable equipment, that’s why you never see broken or torn tie downs along the road. Oh, wait.
@areyouundoingthatorwhat9181 3 жыл бұрын
@@mb-fs1yo Agreed,a couple of years back my Iveco spec truck had both sets of keys stolen,the dealership sent an enormous Scania tilt and slide to load it on.When it was loaded I can remember actually thinking,to my self, f**k that! There is 11.5 tons of truck with probably a ton of two of tools,jack's,spec adapters etc. On board with quite a high centre of gravity now sitting 5 foot off the floor on a relatively shiny surface being held by just 3 not entirely suitably sized ratchet straps,if he corners too quickly it's coming off or if he brakes hard it's coming through his cab,the bulkhead being just some small box section and a mesh.Despite his assurance,bragging of how he regularly loads 2 giant tractors at once etc. the inevitable happened,the single rear strap broke and my truck shunted forwards,the 600kg solid block of steel counterweight welded across the front chassis pulverised his deck winch and half pulled it out of its chassis mountings,fortunately for him it did stop my truck because it was the only thing between it and the back of his mesh bulkhead and tissue paper cab,lucky bastard!
@tomaszpiesiewicz2993 3 жыл бұрын
Do this test with the same new trailer.
@GrillerRohde 3 жыл бұрын
Why? Why would you test new tech with Old+new tech?
@ThomasTrucker 3 жыл бұрын
@@GrillerRohde because it would make a diffrenece.
@GrillerRohde 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThomasTrucker Yeah sure but it would be a useless comparison. Who would drive a 20yo truck with a brand new trailer?
@ThomasTrucker 3 жыл бұрын
@@GrillerRohde If it is possible of course there will be people using it on their own old truck.
@lucas-wh8jp 3 жыл бұрын
@@GrillerRohde He probably doesnt think that old tech is better than new tech. He just want to see the REAL difference
@bambustech9477 3 жыл бұрын
Very impressive video! but my heart goes out to all your Truck Drivers in the comment section - Sorry to hear you have bad experiences with whatever truck you're driving, but do note that your sacrifices, hard work and continued dedication to making sure that shelves are stocked with all the stuff we, the consumers want, is highly appreciated and couldn't be done without you! I have a brother currently taking his truck drivers license, please accept my apologies on behalf of my ignorant fellow citizens, who hates you for being on the road and 'slowing things down', they don't realize what important role you really play in the greater scheme of things, and for that, I am sorry! Keep up the hard work! love you guys! Keep on Trucking! PS: Sorry for the wall of text.
@Lgtg1947 3 жыл бұрын
Retired at 68 lady trucker here. I watched a KZfaq vid a few months ago showing a school bus dropping kids off at a stop on a busy, fast flowing highway. One young boy ran around the front of the bus, straight into the path of an artic/18 wheeler travelling around 40+ mph. Cant recall the make of the truck but couldn’t believe how the driver brought it to an almost instant stop before hitting that kid. The whole truck and trailer reared up. Alert driver and new fangled braking systems saved that kids life and a families lifetime grief 🙏
@ilkkak3065 3 жыл бұрын
The one I saw it was Volvo FH.
@NemesisRTCW 3 жыл бұрын
@@ilkkak3065 It was, from Ukrainian transport company Fleiss.
@jmfjcas6014 3 жыл бұрын
..And now show me this "modern truck" in thirty years later. I'm sure, after next thirty years only this SK will still to ready to drive.
@joykumba5797 3 жыл бұрын
New vehicles are too over-engineered...even to the rims! Too computerised and too many electronics that go bad often...so yeah, the 90s one will live on...
@starstencahl8985 3 жыл бұрын
Because that is not a requirement for the development of a truck. What company uses the same vehicles for 30 years? No serious one does. And the manufacturer doesn’t care about the used vehicle market. They want go sell the best new product. Also, government regulations and people striving for comfort hardly gave them any choice other then overcomplicate the whole truck.
@jmfjcas6014 3 жыл бұрын
@@starstencahl8985 so let's go back for times when quality and brand were more important than quantity. 1960's, 70' 80'... Somehow then the trucks ran without repairs for 20-30 years. Leyland, Man, Volvo, Scania, Mercedes, Om, Saurer, Fiat and on US Mack, Peterbilt , Ford and many others produce trucks that break down little and drive long. All these companies were not serious then? But the economists said they wouldn't make money this way. On the one hand, they talk about ecology, and on the other side, they produce items that will last for ~5 years they cost more and produce more waste.. This is just lie. Additionally, people today are getting lazier and dumber. And these old trucks still go and works on many places and earn their living ...
@starstencahl8985 3 жыл бұрын
@@jmfjcas6014 Yeah, I'm completely on your side with that. But that is sadly what the market demands nowadays and manufacturers have little to say about how they want to build their vehicles, if they want to stay competitive
@111jacare 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting thought: One vehicle that I used to drive, an 11/1979 build tandem tray top with a single axle trailer on behind, the brakes were such on that truck, that, even with 4 tonne more than what should have been on the truck, it would outperform some cars in braking at traffic lights. To the point that I was even abused by a copper for causing the copper to have to take evasive action to avoid running into the trailer! Copper tried the overweight trick on me... But, how could I have stopped quicker than you if I am overweight??? This was at a gross weight of 32.5 tonne, over 4 axles. Eventually, the brake shoes got down to the rivets, and the shoes were replaced. With the new shoes, the braking capacity went out the window, and had to allow an extra 10 metres at 60 km/h. As for the torque / horsepower argument... it also comes down to gearing. One other truck that was a joy to drive was an old Scania, 6/1977 build, 296 b.h.p., 1070 Nm of torque. Pulled out of a yard in the hills, gross weight of 34.5 tonne. Company truck follows me out of the yard, he is 42.5 tonne, 460 horsepower Cummins in a Sterling prime mover. Now, on paper, the company truck has the better horsepower to weight ratio, and should get away from me. Company truck is electronically limited to 100 km/h, mine is gearbound to 88 km/h. Went up the first hill, got away from him, over the top, my practice is to ride the exhaust brakes and change up through the gears to hit the bottom of the hill doing 84 km/h / 2100 r.p.m., then hold that speed for the start of the next hill, which is a 2 km, 6% grade. Company truck got away from me on the downhill and flat, but, I went past him with a 10 km/h speed difference at about the 1.6 km mark on the next climb... how is this so??? It all comes down to the gearing!!! To further reinforce this point... A 112 Scania, 305 h.p., 3.89 diff ratio, used to tow a triaxle cement tanker out of Geelong to Adelaide. He would be loaded to 42.5 tonne at Geelong, and would use 350 odd litres of fuel for the trip back to Adelaide. So, on the last Mermaids weighbridge, his gross weight would be 42.2 tonnes. Going up the dipper, he would be in 4th gear at 15 km/h. The last load that was done with this truck as a prime mover was a load of railway sleepers out of Tailem Bend. At the Mermaids weighbridge: Steer: 5.40 tonne, tandem drive: 17.20 tonne, triaxle trailer: 20.70 tonne - Gross: 43.30 tonnes. (Yes, the knuckles got rapped / spanked by the Mermaid!) Going up the dipper, held 7th gear, 1400 r.p.m., 25 km/h.. This is in a 111 Scania, 296 h.p., 4.86 diff ratio.
@kauslercarvingoberpfalz3993 3 жыл бұрын
Old is gold. Old school trucking for live
@rrrnaidu8558 3 жыл бұрын
This means the older drivers were supreme drivers in true sense. Salute🙏
@dmytrogubskyi4355 3 жыл бұрын
No, it means that there used to be more accidents, that's it.
@ThatVoxelBlock 3 ай бұрын
on the 1997 truck was the brake system changed with New OEM parts before the test
@terrystratford1235 3 жыл бұрын
Now put a numpty in a car who just has to get in front, in your breaking zone b4 a junction! Show everyone how far a car will be shunted forward!
@sannx9486 3 жыл бұрын
20ти летний SK жив и здоров, да и скорей всего с родньім движком, интересно будет взглянуть на новьій Актрос через 20 лет, если он конечно доживет
@marvinl8519 3 жыл бұрын
New brakes on both trucks? Or used, probably old ones on the old truck?
@kstudios8706 3 жыл бұрын
Next to the brakes the tires are very important, too. New tires on the old merc and again!
@Rocker-1234 3 жыл бұрын
@@kstudios8706 the old one only half braked. older trucks dont have the safety systems newer ones do so fully locked brakes are actually fully locked and could stop way sooner then a newer truck but more violently and alot higher risk
@congxie4404 3 жыл бұрын
But Old SK looks a lot better ;)
@Random-nf7qb 3 жыл бұрын
yeah, could just offer upgrade kits for old trucks, bring the difference down to about 5 meters
@worldmapping4895 3 жыл бұрын
but its worse aerodynamically
@Random-nf7qb 3 жыл бұрын
@@worldmapping4895 eh, not by THAT much
@GhostOfDamned 3 жыл бұрын
I can agree totally
@recycleman975 3 жыл бұрын
yeah
@1Minecraftero 3 жыл бұрын
I still prefer the old one
@emirares 3 жыл бұрын
1:04 imagine you cross the street and see this on your right.
@Alex462047 3 жыл бұрын
It's nice to know you get something for all that high tech engineering designed to be impossible to maintain self-sufficiently. I'd still take the old truck, look a bit further ahead for hazards and take my chances.
@Alex462047 3 жыл бұрын
@@Fishmans Yes, take my chances. It's not the dead cyclist or motorist who has to live with it afterwards, it's the driver who survived, a dubious advantage. Besides, if you're driving such that you cannot stop in the available distance, then you're doing it wrong, point blank. Also, the highway code is written with older vehicles in mind, so it's not like longer braking distances haven't been planned for. P.S. Don't forget to adjust your damned brakes. They do wear down.
@alvarofajardo361 3 жыл бұрын
Excelente video pero me gustaria ver si el mas moderno llevaba ka misma carga, nunca la mostraron
@andypreston1524 3 жыл бұрын
I would drive that old SK any day, all day...... OK, the Actros is a very nice modern truck and the SK's stopping distance is longer but I prefer to actually "feel" the truck I'm driving rather than sit on top of a big computer...........
@fryphillipj560 3 жыл бұрын
feel? fucking snowflake lol xd
@andypreston1524 3 жыл бұрын
@@fryphillipj560 Snowflake? ..... Oh bell ends like you do amuse me............🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@dmytrogubskyi4355 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, I'm sure you will *feel* when you will collide with an obstacle at 43km\h, while the new truck will scratch a bumper.
@ddeejjkkoo 3 жыл бұрын
Wszystko fajnie, tylko że "stara" ciężarówka to model który w produkcji znajdował się od 1989 roku. Bardziej uczciwie byłoby porównać z pierwszą generacją Actrosa, która do produkcji weszła w 1996 roku, a więc w 1997 była modelem nowoczesnym, a nie konstrukcją ośmioletnią.
@tomsterbg8130 3 жыл бұрын
Now that's what I call an upgrade!
@skylerdavies8228 3 жыл бұрын
spent a year driving a 2018 actros after 2 year driving a 96 daf cf. its incredible the difference. i had a car pull out on me in milton keynes in the merc, dented quarter panel to the car, broken number plate on the truck, had it of been the daf i expect there would have been a fatality
@mons-fe9fw 3 жыл бұрын
My step dad works for dekra as a vehicle inspection service to see if its road worthy/legal
@laurean5998 3 жыл бұрын
Plot twist: the old truck still has its original tires
@umbertarash1341 3 жыл бұрын
show whats in the new trucks trailer .
@dmytrogubskyi4355 3 жыл бұрын
Your tinfoil hat delivery. Expect soon.
@brysonvollenhoven2852 3 жыл бұрын
Just curious about this test as the trailer brakes also has a huge impact in fact the brakes of the trailer caries the load of what's within it the trucks brakes allows for both to come to a controlled stop ... Why is it two different trailers ?
@TheRazvy1990 3 жыл бұрын
And we want NEW BRAKES for both of the truks .....you know....marketing....new=,,better"
@mark-1rc502 3 жыл бұрын
These tests are always Manipulated to suit the Desired outcome . Of course the New tech is Better that I’m not disputing , but what is the Condition of the Brakes on the Old model?
@bertiewooster3326 3 жыл бұрын
Yep the driver was told your bonus depends on you letting the newer truck win......ok boss no problem.
@mark-1rc502 3 жыл бұрын
@@bertiewooster3326 Exactly Too many variables , what about the Condition of the tyres ? The weight of the Trailer ? Driver reaction? Quite a few things to consider
@spunkystefan 3 жыл бұрын
Wieso erhöht man dann nicht endlich die Geschwindigkeit von 80 auf 100 auf Autobahnen für LKWs. Der Verkehrsfluss würde deutlich verbessert....
@Audianer87 3 жыл бұрын
Oder von 60 auf 80 auf Landstraße. Früher fuhren alle mit 100 auf der Autobahn, ohne Helferlein.
@user-dg8il1lg5h 3 жыл бұрын
Да вы ещё дагестанский КАМАЗ с арбузами не видели!
@Porosenok_miasnoy 3 жыл бұрын
Написал бы тогда KAMAZ, чтобы они поняли 🤔
@user-dg8il1lg5h 3 жыл бұрын
@@Porosenok_miasnoy да мне пох, чё они там поняли. Но семь лайков говорят о том, что семеро догадались.
@Porosenok_miasnoy 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-dg8il1lg5h так это тебя русскоязычные лайкнули😂
@user-dg8il1lg5h 3 жыл бұрын
@@Porosenok_miasnoy ДА ЛАДНО! 😲 Я думал, китайцы...
@Porosenok_miasnoy 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-dg8il1lg5h ну и зачем ты это тогда высрал? 🤔
@Arctic_silverstreak 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine the brake screeching on the old one
@Audisport99 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but what's inside the other trailer...... why would it be covered
@damianpena9337 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder, why does the new truck have a closed box? Why they didnt show the cargo in the trailer? Is it because its an empty box? Put flat beds on both and i will believe it! For now its just fake for me!
@Ronni.Petersson 3 жыл бұрын
Dont look fake. The new truck brakes harder by the look.
@Veniiisiii232 3 жыл бұрын
you are nit picking, its really stupid to belive that 20 years older truck will have the same brake power as a new model
@simonm1447 3 жыл бұрын
It don't matter if there's a load or not. With a load you have more pressure on the tires, without the truck has less pressure, but also less weight. The brakes are made for the loaded truck, and the truck adjusts the brake force depending on the actual load. This has nothing to do with a passenger car.
@reinbeers5322 3 жыл бұрын
@@simonm1447 More weight will mean longer braking distance. Just because you have more weight on the tires, and therefore more grip, it is NOT equivalent to simply having less weight.
@simonm1447 3 жыл бұрын
@@reinbeers5322 I know it sounds strange, but an empty truck will really don't stop with a shorter brake distance than a fully loaded one. Brakes of semi trucks and their trailers are designed for full load, they can absorb the heat of an emergency braking maneuver. With a fully loaded trailer you have much more friction on the road, so the brakes can work with 100%, if the truck is empty they can't and work with less braking power. Modern trucks with air suspension calculate this with the acceleration (how fast it accelerates if it's leveled, they have a tilt sensor in the truck), older ones have a simple device which measures the suspension travel of the leaf springs. shannonlawgroup.com/calculating-stopping-distance-semi-trucks/ BTW, I had a education at Daimler when we picked up our new truck, and they told the same
@Dysputant 3 жыл бұрын
Fixing brakes old one. 300$ , just put something from replacement. 100$ for fix. Fixing brakes in new one. 3 000 $ Ordering parts from china 3 months. Repair shop fees 2 000$ , truck wont move until you place 1 and only part from producer.
@Steve1766 3 жыл бұрын
new truck = endless money pit
@vst9266 3 жыл бұрын
They should show us the weights on new truck too.
@dmytrogubskyi4355 3 жыл бұрын
Why? If they wanted to cheat the test, they would cheat it in a different way. And if you want to suspect them in cheating, you'd find other reasons to do so.
@lazarlazar4748 3 жыл бұрын
I take SK, thanks!
@AllianceB95 3 жыл бұрын
Sidenote... The modern one with the ABS started slipping and it kinda got out of the straight line. The Older model with drumbrakes... Remained stable....and in a straight line... I know which one id choose... The old Model all day every day. The romance of trucking is oldschool... The Modern thing is automated to big boredom. Sooo #Dekra do a real honest test which one is actually safer... You will be amazed to see the Older model is safer.
@kerozin520 3 жыл бұрын
It literally says ABS on older trucks grill.
@Jehty_ 3 жыл бұрын
People killed in traffic accidents in Germany: 1997: 8549 2017: 3180 Death per 100.000 vehicles: 1997: 16.9 2017: 5.5 I definitely see why you would say that the older truck is safer...
@ilkkak3065 3 жыл бұрын
New one has ebs
@GulliJ 11 ай бұрын
Would like to see sale test with same semi for braking performance of loaded semi and really diff on tractor. Must be less huge even bot changing the evolution
@Denstoradiskmaskinen 4 жыл бұрын
Hold on, gotta do the math, 57 - 41.. yes, the math check out, its 16m longer!
@theguywhovideo2445 3 жыл бұрын
I used my calculator and got syntax error so the answer is sytax error
@zaralexanderiiiofrussia2525 3 жыл бұрын
Wtf i don't know 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@dnzkrt 3 жыл бұрын
I noticed that the Difference should be 20m approximately
@nrakma 2 ай бұрын
Yet, these trucks are still killing machines.
@Daniel-fs5np 3 жыл бұрын
Der Unterschied zwischen Trommel und Scheibenbremse. Aber es geht nichts über den SK. Allein schon der V8 Sound. Einfach Ein Traum.
@andrezesna3920 3 жыл бұрын
Alles klar..16 Meter in 40 Jahren..bin begeistert
@DarthG3nesis 3 жыл бұрын
20 Jahre
@andrezesna3920 3 жыл бұрын
@@DarthG3nesis Der SK ist nicht von 1997 auch wenn es da steht. 1988 wurde die schwere Klasse SK vorgestellt. Der Sattelschlepper im Bild stammt deutlich sichtbar nicht von 97. Da gab es schon den Actros. Der Actros im Video ist die neueste Generation und ab 2011 gebaut worden.. 30 Jahre oder 40 Jahre spielt glaub keine Rolle..Denn in vielen anderen Punkten ist echt wenig Entwicklung geschehen.. Nach wie vor schlimmer CW Wert und hoher Verbrauch durch Barocken Dieselmotor. Somit auch Emissionen. Man sollte meinen LKW würden schon lange elektrisch fahren..stattdessen geilt man sich an 16 Meter Bremsweg auf. Wooow was eine Entwicklung
@EnjoyFirefighting 3 жыл бұрын
@@andrezesna3920 für weite Strecken ja scheinbar noch nicht ausgereift genug, egal ob im PKW-Bereich, ÖPNV, kommerzieller LKW Verkehr oder bei Einsatzfahrzeugen. Es gibt bereits überall die einen oder anderen reinen Elektrofahrzeuge und Elektro-Hybridfahrzeuge, aber eben nicht in großer Stückzahl. Wie willst den CW Wert noch groß beeinflussen wenn die grobe Form der Kabine indirekt vorgegeben ist?
@heizoeli 3 жыл бұрын
@@andrezesna3920 Man kann es auch positiver formulieren: 28 Prozent kürzerer Bremsweg in 30 (oder 40) Jahren! Dafür dass es da physikalische Grenzen gibt, ist das doch ein beachtlicher Fortschritt. Und wie soll ein 40-Tonner Hunderte km weit elektrisch fahren? Bestimmt nicht mit Akku, dann wohl eher mit Oberleitung über den Autobahnen oder/und mit Brennstoffzelle.
@freevideos051 3 жыл бұрын
The new truck had smoke from the braking wheels ect. the old one did not, seems odd. how old were the brake pads on the old truck?
@Frost_Saber 3 жыл бұрын
looks sus to me, like the old one wasn't braking as hard as it could
@barzinimongo 3 жыл бұрын
Because the brakes on the old truck is just much worse and doesnt brake as hard, thats why there isnt any smoke, not hard to understand, the old truck just performaned bad due to its inferior technology in brakes and braking system. They are trying to show the difference in the new vs old technology and brakes and brakes should behave the same even if they arent new as long as they isnt completly worn out.
@freevideos051 3 жыл бұрын
@@barzinimongo You can't compare wore out brakes to new ones then the test is fake.
@barzinimongo 3 жыл бұрын
@@freevideos051 I highly doubt they are worn out, were do people get that impression, you do know what worn out means right? Theres a difference in worn and worn out and in most of the cases the brakes should function the same worn or new, if they are worn OUT I can understand it, but they are probably not, just accept already that modern tech is better then 90s tech.
@florichi 3 жыл бұрын
Drumbrakes vs Diskbrakes. A F1 car smokes too, but wouldn't with a closed system like drumbrakes.
@petarjelinic7682 3 жыл бұрын
...obviously someone doesn't know the trucks length, the difference is only 16m, but the length of a standard truck is nearly 19m so how come the older truck is so much ahead, I think the lenght difference should be about 23-24m if you judge by the Video...
@refiktf 3 жыл бұрын
Balkan.....
@edd1325 3 жыл бұрын
Nope, 13. 6 trailer, with 2 to 3 metres of cab.
@terrystratford1235 11 ай бұрын
How would they compare empty? Would a modern truck and fully loaded trailer need much more distance to stop than if it was unladen?
@juliogonzo2718 3 жыл бұрын
This probably has more to do with disc vs drum brakes and condition of the braking system on the older truck. Put all new brake linings, drums, slack adjusters, s-cams, and then do the test
@dmytrogubskyi4355 3 жыл бұрын
Why? The idea of the test is to provide a visualization of the myth than modern trucks are worse than the older ones.
@demil3618 3 жыл бұрын
It explains nothing! We don’t hear any details why there is such a difference: Is it the truck or the trailer brakes? Is it the size of the brake disks, material of pads? This video says nothing!
@terrystratford1235 3 жыл бұрын
Disc brakes on the unit all round, trailers have abs and ebc and other 3 letter acronyms! Tyres are better! Also newer hgv and trailers are lighter, so the pay load can be increased!
@demil3618 3 жыл бұрын
@@terrystratford1235 ...so it’s a matter of newer trailers, not „old lorries“. The towing truck isn’t the issue then as it seems.
@terrystratford1235 3 жыл бұрын
@@demil3618 kind of! Older units may have disc braking on the steer wheel, but drum brakes on the lift and drive axles! As for trailers, a brand new, skelly (containers) car transporter or fridge, especially double Deckers are really heavy empty! Possibly upto 15 ton! An empty flatbed probably only 10 ton!
@demil3618 3 жыл бұрын
@@terrystratford1235 Yes with the towing truck on drum brakes, they‘ll definately loose against disk brakes ones.
@terrystratford1235 3 жыл бұрын
@@demil3618 let's not forget tyres also! Now you can chose for fuel or grip! But the tyres now whatever you have are soooooooòoo much better than old radials!!
@dstan128 3 жыл бұрын
Would of been a better comparison if both tractor units used the same trailer
@sgxbot 9 ай бұрын
no because the trailers also improved over time and they belong into the test of new technology vs old
@dailyshorts7062 3 жыл бұрын
i love that 1997 model
@Steve1766 3 жыл бұрын
older than 1997
@f.bledls.4830 3 жыл бұрын
Truck drivers sometimes think that they are driving a small vehicle, they forget that it requires more distance to brake, that's why so many accidents, specially here in Mexico where I live.
@sgxbot 9 ай бұрын
41m is only a couple of meters more then a car which would be around 37-38m. and that with 38.5t of load. people think that these things cant brake when they can brake almost as fast as cars at that speed
@f.bledls.4830 8 ай бұрын
@@sgxbot I am talking about Mexico... There are almost no new trucks, most of them are ten or more years old, and they get almost no maintenance. They are only repaired when they break down... That's why it's so dangerous.
@maestegboyo 3 жыл бұрын
The brakes on the Mercedes are the best on the market today 👍👍👍cracking bit of kit.
@anunggaming 3 жыл бұрын
nice brake test video :)
@devb02 Жыл бұрын
I love the older model nevertheless.
@abodymody7641 3 жыл бұрын
The old design is still better
@Steve1766 3 жыл бұрын
yup
@AdrianHernandez-bs2en 3 жыл бұрын
The new trailer started breaking before, and the loading is diferent besides the old truck with those brakes wouldn't be steet legal. I don't think this test is valid.
@theenglishtrucker1849 3 жыл бұрын
Having driven numerous different Merc Actros's I have to say they model in this video has terrible brakes. DPD use them, and apparently use genuine Merc brake pads, (I asked a mechanic whilst working there). You press the pedal and initially it feels good, but then feel like its not going to stop. The older Actros (Euro 5) the brakes felt great. I wouldn't like to drive that old banger of a truck in this video though, having just watched it trying to stop.
@Ditisjesaus Жыл бұрын
Great looking nature you’ve got over there, looks so nice all the blue panels instead of some horrific flowers…😑
@Milesco 3 жыл бұрын
I like the brevity of this video, but they didn't say anything about *_how_* this much-improved braking distance was achieved.
@sgxbot 9 ай бұрын
i would asume improvements in the anti lock system. keeping the tire at the optimal slip point where you have max brake performance and not just increasing brake pressure until lockup and then releasing it a bit to get the tire rolling again as it used to be.
@weeardguy 9 ай бұрын
@@sgxbot I think so too. Brakepads itself are probably at their prime for years (if not: decades) already and can't be improved anymore.
@mokuspar 3 жыл бұрын
Hamis teszt,valótlan összehasonlìtàs.Hol vannak a guminyomok,a füst?És a 20 éves Merci miért menne 80km/h val,abban az időben lassabban normàlisan közlekedtek
@junesmotorworx 3 жыл бұрын
What about same material linings, same driver in cockpit?
@BrianLTU 3 жыл бұрын
Still old is gold XD
@gab3617 2 жыл бұрын
Actros 2017 with empty trailer and SK 1997 with trailer full of "something"...switch and do it again!
@tansugunal 3 жыл бұрын
At the end Newer is beter, safer breaking at least. But this test is not fair because of human factor. Old one braking late.Which makes huge difference at result.
@mariusromania442 3 жыл бұрын
Can U Test all The Truckcs from Europe ???can u stop all smarthphones ???
@PhantomMark 3 жыл бұрын
Having driven both generations of this truck the test is very valid, whining about showing the inside of the curtain, and swapping trailers.......anyone who has driven both generations will attest how much better the braking is in the newer trucks. Dekra is one of the few independent organisations I actually trust. Rather suspect a lot of these comments are coming from wannabe truck drivers from ETS2 !!!!
@3DPeter 3 жыл бұрын
you can't compare a truck with disk brakes and ASR and ABS with a truck with drum brakes and ....drum brakes!
@dmytrogubskyi4355 3 жыл бұрын
Why? - It is the exact idea of the test - to show you a tech evolution. And, btw, the old truck has ABS too - it's 1997, not dinosaur era.
@3DPeter 3 жыл бұрын
@@dmytrogubskyi4355 Well, i a way you're right. It's a comparison in how trucks evolved for the better.
@dmytrogubskyi4355 3 жыл бұрын
@@3DPeter true. Just a very simple example of real life situation for an ordinary person to see, without overloading it with a lot of math and engineering standing behind it.
@mr8I7 3 жыл бұрын
What tyres were they using, had they both been recently serviced etc. Useless "experiment" unless you include all the details.
@type3666 3 жыл бұрын
Mercedes Sk , Nice 🤘
@Steve1766 3 жыл бұрын
ye
@Depytat96 3 жыл бұрын
да на старом просто все суппорта закисшие были )))
@user-wx3rb2jw4o 3 жыл бұрын
Взяли бы какой-нибудь камаз арбузтранса на тест с полной загрузкой, ебать бы они охерели наверное)) Первый раз - пока разгоняли до 80, второй - когда попытались бы остановить ;3
@henningquast8456 3 жыл бұрын
I don‘t get why people think this is a set up. Why are you surprised that a older truck without modern abs and esp and with older disc or even drum brakes has a longer braking distance than a modern one? They chose a closed trailer because that was the one they had at hand. It is clearly stated in the video that they both weigh in the same. Again, why should the have set this up. The DEKRA is an wourldwide operating audit company which is also allowed to take the mandatory technical exam for passenger cars in Germany.
@Wintercourse 3 жыл бұрын
To all the people saying switch trailer, switch drivers, switch gender, switch planets for variance of gravitational anomalies. I am certain the company didn't just wing the video in 1 minute and 12 seconds and that was all the effort put into it. They wanted to make a statement about safety and how future technology has improved it. They made their point, there didn't have to be a 45 minute in depth video. I think we can all believe technology on trucks has improved. They just gave us a simple example. I mean if this is a conspiracy then who cares, more than likely when it counts the roads are icy anyways.
@user-po8no1xp6e 3 жыл бұрын
Volvo FH brake system is probably the best
@MegaR151 3 жыл бұрын
Did you put new brake pads and rotors on each truck, why didn’t both use similar trailers to make the experiment more accurate, where both truck the same class?
@florichi 3 жыл бұрын
The purpose was to versus old and new, not old+new vs new+new. I think they wanted to show how stupid current speedlimits are on german roads are, because they were made back when trucks needed 20-30m more braking distance.
@ivecamperbuild_thomas4084 3 жыл бұрын
And the new model had a box trailer on the back which as more drag so try again with a trailer swop
@foxliving7434 3 жыл бұрын
Who else with even basic vehicle knowledge noticed the guy in the older truck wasn't even trying to stop fast older trucks don't have abs so have a quicker skidding stop but that puts more wear and tear on the truck thats why they aded abs to save people money since the truck in this video didn't drag even a single tire but the new truck did either the breaks are faulty and don't work so the vid isn't a good even comparison or they did it on purpose to pretend newer trucks are better at stopping also the kind of tire has a huge impact on how fast a vehicle can stop so of course they left that out
@TheRazvy1990 3 жыл бұрын
We want the test with new brakes for both of the truks.......
@tomphson2236 3 жыл бұрын
SK is best ❤️
@Steve1766 3 жыл бұрын
yes
@funnystuff9954 3 жыл бұрын
Lives will be saved.. Great work. Xx
@zoidsfan77 3 жыл бұрын
I'd still take the old truck of course.
@Steve1766 3 жыл бұрын
me too
@JFMdGeist 3 жыл бұрын
First!!! Open cargo vs closed? It'll give some deference too!!! In reality improve the old one, adding new brakes and modern engines, And it become like new...just mind it for a moment!!!
@victorwallec2534 2 жыл бұрын
volvo be like: cute ... i can do it within 10 meters
@hulkprakash7913 3 жыл бұрын
I have seen many MB trucks in Malaysia modified with Mitsubishi Fuso brake system that stops much better than some of the newer trucks. Most of the heavy vehicle accident in my country occurs to the new model trucks & buses from Scania, Hino, Nissan & so on. More technologies & more accidents. !!!!
@chikiroumohamed2598 3 жыл бұрын
Old is gold
@typhoon-7 3 жыл бұрын
Were they on the same tyres....?
@oldgermanperformance4324 3 жыл бұрын
41 meters to full stop a loaded truck, just AWESOME
@АЗАЗЭЛЫЧ 3 жыл бұрын
Для чистоты эксперимента нужно было одинаковые полуприцепы ставить.У шторы парусность больше.
@dmytrogubskyi4355 3 жыл бұрын
Какая ж это чистота? Полуприцеп - часть автопоезда. Современный полуприцеп тормозит лучше старого, как и тягач. Задача эксперимента - показать разницу между старым и новым автопоездом. Что до парусности - можно пренебречь. В расчетах аэродинамическое сопротивление начинает считаться с этой отметки 80-90 км\час и выше. Тест же начинается на 80-ти, и всё остальное время скорость только падает.
@wiedietie 3 жыл бұрын
I showed this to my cat He didn't understand, he is a cat..
@vishsarat 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, show it to doggo, he will understand
@chinadashauthority65 3 жыл бұрын
@Vish I will cook your dog
@vishsarat 3 жыл бұрын
@@chinadashauthority65 why 😐😦 u want Hot dog ?
@zeincexxx1285 3 жыл бұрын
Makes me think why they haven't got the same trailer
@GicN 3 жыл бұрын
Because this trailer didn't exist around the time of the old trailer (thus it's impossible to pair these because it wil make it unfair due to the combination of old and new).
@florichi 3 жыл бұрын
I think the purpouse of this test is to show how stupid the regulations about speedlimits on german overland streets are. They were founded when those old trucks were around, and were never updated to justify the advancements. Back then 60km/h was alright, but now 70 or 80 would be alright too.
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