"pather colossus is a bad ship" *me remembers people underestimating pather fleets and dying to them*

Dont forget: the Shepherd is a drone Tender AND has salvaging stuff build in. So you get a similar Bonus in salvaging like with the salvage rig AND you can use the shepherd in combat. Even when the Mining drones doesnt do that much, they can annoy frigs. Generally i try to use Shepherd and Wayfarer as PD Support ships. Very very good in that Position.

"Why would they rig a Prometheus as a battle ship?" Irony most likely, Pathers hate space travel so rigging the thing that carries all that fuel that allows it is probably symbolic.

Prometheus got absolutely gipped being below the phaeton, its invaluable for mid/late game in terms of force projection. it carries 3.75x the fuel and only costs 2.5x the supplies and 3x the fuel/lightyear. a single prometheus can get a large fleet to the edge of the sector and back with time for detours and still have fuel to spare. logistically cheaper than fielding 4 phaetons and lets you have 3 more combat ships in a full fleet. admittedly the burn level of 6 is non ideal but with aug drive mod it brings it back up to 8 which is what most of your cruisers are anyway, plus the atlas is also 6. By the time you fleet is big enough that you need another phaeton you should just buy a prometheus instead.

Disco Donut being S tier doesn't surprise me tbh, Doom should be at least A tier since it still is quite powerful in the right hands, could You make a part 2 to include things like the Domain era drone ships, [REDACTED] and the Eradicators?

I was also an enforcer hater, until my gf, a _brand-new_ Starsector player, randomly slapped 4 assault chainguns and safety overrides on an enforcer that she picked up for cheap, without even reading what anything does. She did not even read the quest texts, she just went straight into bounty hunting. Mother of God... It really just works.

"4 capital ships is excessive" My fellow pather in Luddic, you can never have enough big guns. fly in dark mode and fire a big fucking gun.

Link to ship designs in Discord: discord.gg/X9cfzM7fvV hope you guys enjoyed the tier list. It's completely subjective and take my opinions with a grain of salt 😅. At the end of the day it's a video game and you should pick which ever ships you like.

I think the Fury should be higher, because it's one of the few ships with that amount of firepower that has a burn level of 9, meaning that you can still sustained burn at 20 speed without the augmented drive field. Good for bounty hunting and exploration.

Doom is still S tier with skills and probably A or B tier without. I thought it was ruined too, but phase anchor with 4x light needler, 2x phase lance, 2x typhoon is really powerful. Build in missile rack and either heavy armor or hardened subsystems. Put on ITU as well and dump remaining points into capacity. It becomes a really good brawler like that and it's mines are still really effective. It took some relearning though to figure it out but you can still solo a paragon.

The wolf is just out-and-out my favourite ship in the game because a lot of AI controlled ships just don't really know how to fight it properly. The only time I've been destroyed in a wolf in my experience is when I've messed up and let myself get overloaded next to a bigger enemy because I didn't phase skim back in time when my flux is getting high. Put a heavy blaster on a Wold and you can go toe to toe with basically anything your size and even a lot of things that are a bit bigger than you

Starliner’s exceptionally efficient when it comes to transportation. If you’re expecting to salvage ships, a definite must have. Also surprisingly good on other resources to boot. Makes trading crew/marines quite viable, too.

Thanks for the series and everything, I've learned so much thru the guides and all. Only 3 months playing the game but I think I have already put around 400h in. Now, thanks to you in part, I feel so much more comfortable with the game and its mechanics. Now on my 3rd playthru, I'm aiming for 2 Champions, 2 Eradicators ( non P ), 2 Auroras, 1 XIV Legion, 1 Heron, 2 XIV Dominators, 2 Radiants + 2 Monitor and a bunch of Hammerheads and Omens as my final fleet. I really like to use the Radians as they burn at 18 so you don't need to use tugs. And 1 well designed Radian is worth 2 Paragons imo. Personally, I don't do the fighting as the AI do better job then me. I just pilot the monitor. Looking forward to another Starsector series, cheers Grumpy.

This randomly popped up on my home page and I’m happy it did. Thanks for making it.

For the Apogee the fighting capability is only part of what makes it good, it also has built in Sensor Range as well as good cargo capacity and only 2 fuel / light year which is amazing on long explorations. The Pirate Colossus (Mk III?) is surprisingly okay, you get cargo and crew capacity, plus TWO fighter slots and ground combat boost for marines and shielded cargo holds for just 8 supplies/month which is pretty reasonable.

Ox tug early game = F tier, Ox tug late game = S tier. Burn level in fleets with capitals and capital supports like the atlas is painfully low and you will be unable to catch most midsize opponents with the baseline burn from skills + mods. In the late game fuel and supplies becomes a non-issue so you receive faster travel times, ability to engage fast targets, and ability to avoid small aggressive remnant fleets for essentially no cost.

The atlass MK2 IS a piece of trash, but thats why it works so well. Basically, trash is easy to produce on mass and cheap as hell. So if your making a fleet to, say, I dunno, destroy the hegemony, it works. Your going to loose almost all of them, dont get me wrong. But better to watch 100 atlases go down than 4 paragons, yaknow?

Personal favorite capital early-ish is definitely the Odyssey. Double tachyon and nothing else but PD. Anchors a fleet quite well with incredible shields and can clear the skies with PD upgrades and tactical lasers. The lack of hard flux generation is off put by just totally overpowering the enemies flux dissipation. Only really loses out to the S tier ships and AI don't use it too well but is a respectable mainstay for a player driven capital until you get a Paragon.

Love me some dominator! I discovered it when I had a fleet full of ships surrounding one and it keep picking off my ships while just slowly losing hull. Captured that one and never looked back.

the thing about the buffalo mk2 is that it only costs 4dp deploy which can be decreased to 2 with the right perks along with converted hangars and harpoons + extended racks makes for some really cheap and spammable firepower

How dare you disrespect eradicator

8:52 I think you might be misunderstanding the utility of the apogee, its got High Resolution Sensors and Surveying Equipment for a reason. it has 400 Cargo Capacity, the flux capacity of an astral and a reasonable amount of weapons to defend itself when exploring and only costs 18 supplies per month, giving it a very cheap logistical footprint (for an ad hoc cruiser) As a combat ship its mediocre compared to ships dedicated to that role but but I'd argue that's not its primary focus. It's primary focus is long distance exploration.

I've been using the Odyssey as a flagship in my current game and I really think it deserves to be in A or even S tier. It is the fastest capital ship by far (almost 3 times as fast as the Onslaught), allowing you to project firepower where its needed, avoid incoming damage, and flank enemy capitals and cruisers. There are two loadouts I like to use. First is long range, with HIL, Tachyon Lance and 3 Tactical Lasers on the broadside, plus 3 medium sabot pods and a MIRV Hurricane launcher. Second is shorter range for hit-and-run tactics, replace the HIL and TL with Autopulses and the Tactical Lasers with Ion Cannons. It can kill any other ship in the game 1v1 except the Paragon, and can delete any destroyer in the game in seconds. Fire off six sabots in one volley and follow up with a Hurricane. It pilots similar to a Conquest but I think its stronger, and its top speed is 70 compared to 45 for the Conquest. Just circle your enemy at optimum range and there's not much they can do. The plasma burn is also great for ramming frigates, destroyers and even cruisers as it has the mass and momentum to do damage AND yeet the victim out of position. People seem to like the Apogee more but unlike the Apogee, the Odyssey can bear all its strongest weapons on one target very easily, it's tanky enough and fast enough that it's pretty difficult to kill. It also has two fighter bays, which I tend to fill with Spark interceptors for additional point defence. Much like the Terminator Drones of the Tempests, these Sparks can save your life if you get overloaded because they can still shoot down torps and missiles. Best flanking ship in the game in my opinion. Pair it with an Astral and support them with Tempests, Omens, Medusas, Auroras, Pirate Falcons etc. and you have a fast, manoeuvrable and deadly fleet.

Sunder is my go-to destroyer. Give it a HIL & any two long range, medium-size beams... Plus the usual aux. thrusters and range extenders... max out on vents. It is unbelievably good for a destroyer, and is possibly one of the best out there. You are bringing so much power to bear, for so little cost, AND you can get them early-game. Just one of these can knock out pirate carriers and light cruisers like the falcon, and win you some big bounties. A small group of them will put the hurt on anything bigger. I haven't played with safety overrides on these, but I don't see much of a need.

Hah. I just started playing recently, but it was fun listening to you read off your preferred shrike loadout (ion pulser, antimatter blaster, sabot) - which is exactly how my current shrikes are outfitted. They are incredibly dependable pursuit and close support ships.

The enforcer is one of my favorite destroyers, 5 medium balistics that can all fire one direction. Heavy autocannons and mortars can lay down heavy suppression, and torpedoes to finish off the target.

You don't understand how good the eagle is as a front line ship. With beams and 1000 range ballistics it can flux out and disable near anything, creating openings for your heron bombers or conquest broadsides. Not only that, thanks to it's shield tank and mobility system for avoiding the enemy, the thing won't die. It'll flux out and disable the enemy and stay safe doing it. You can also use vigilance missle frigates to support it with more finishing missles for cheap, or monitors to further increase the tankiness of your battle line.

Standard Mudskipper is incredibly efficient cargo/crew capacity in a frigate sized package. Just starting out, you can get a dram and two mudskippers and have all the space you need for your early inner rim exploration. It's great. Super low maintenance costs.

AWESOME fun work. Now do every single mod ship!

One of my personal favourites is a Medusa with SO, Blasters and Needlers. It's a really cracked combination, you have enough firepower and flux to outgun and destroy most frigates and destroyers, then evade to safety with phase skimmer to recover flux. And against larger ships you can circle most cruisers and capitals thanks to how fast the ship is + the phase skimmer, get into their blind spot, and they are at your mercy. The ship is also really fast and maneuverable in general, with SO it feels like you're piloting a frigate. It's definitely my favourite ship to pilot in the entire game, it also stays relevant during the entire game. Early and mid game it's simply a powerhouse that will enable you to fight ships that would normally be too big to take on yet, or quickly equalize both fleets by hunting down enemy frigates and blowing them up in an instant. Lategame it becomes more of a support ship capable of rapid response ship and a great flanker. Two capitals fighting each other? Flank the enemy ship, distract their shield and maybe even blow up their engines, then phase away to safety. Enemy frigates surrounding your cruisers/capitals? Quickly skim there and blow a few of them up.

By Ludd, the Prometheus mk2 was done dirty ! Great speed font it's chonk, good armor, good dakka, fighters. Clearly a pro-Mammon tierlist. (Also you're off about lashers and kites, and the mercury is a better kite, but oh well.) Fun video, thanks !

You put the Gryphon below the Venture? What?! Missile Auto-forge is omega-busted, just load the thing with crap tons of hammer missiles and some medium Sabots or Harpoons on the side and you instantly have a capital-cracking cruiser that can consistently 2-for-1 or better vs cruisers. It’s easily S-Tier in my experience, I grab them immediately whenever I find them. Them and Champions.

It's crazy how much mods change this tier list. I love the falcon and the eagle. But that's because with mods medium energy slots are about as good as medium ballistics, especially with pd assault conversion.

It's always interesting to see, the opinions of other people. In the end, all these ship tiering are mostly opinions. I agreed with some, disagreed with others. Changed my opinion on some because of the reasoning provided, maintained the same opinion because the reason wasn't good enough.....Good video.

The Venture does not increase post salvage loot. Only surveying.

Interesting opinions. Would never expect to see the Centurion and Sunder class that low since those two ships are always a big part of my fleets (granted I use a mod which balances fleet size around deployment cost to make frigates more viable late game). Centurions basically never die and have very good potential PD for a frigate so I use them to keep ships busy to divide and conquer while my Sunders pick off isolated enemies with either tachyon lances or autopulse lasers with extended mag. They punch waaaaay above their weight for a destroyer and I prefer them over hammerheads in a lot of cases. Its hard to calculate a lot of midline ship's worth because they're surprisingly specialized and designed to work around eachother's weaknesses, unlike what most people think about them (ex: "midliners are jacks of all trades" which isnt actually true). Part of why I always love running them.

The gryphon was the first vanilla ship that I actually did good with... that I actually felt effective with. I built it with a large cyclone reaper, two sabot srm pods, three swarmers, a double flak and vulcan cannons. All missile types set to fire all slots of that missile type together. I used it as a burst damage ship with almost all points into caps (to give the capacity I needed to get into position before pulling back.) Overload with double sabots and damage with reapers. Swarmers were for smallcraft or distraction. Double flak cannon plus the vulcans on front let me shred enemy missiles. Typically I'd hang out with a capital ship providing additional point defense until I could move forward and do some serious damage against the ships attacking my capital. I don't think the AI would be as effective, but I'll always have a soft place in my heart that the gryphon.

32:42 Tarsus was up until 1-2 updates ago just better Buffalo, now it has less cargo capacity but is still much safer if you end up needing to run, because it's system is burn drive insted of flare launcher and you can put SO in it, unlike the Buffalo.

Pirate Shrike trades 10 OP and replaces 1 small energy mount for 1 small hybrid mount. Imho it is worth because of the flexibility when starting out

Grumpy if possible I would love to see the salvage run Watching a struggle bus is much more informing and entertaining than ez mode Thnx really like your vids

One thing about the revenant is that it is both a freighter and a fuel ship. I like to pimp one out with two s mod logistic mods, efficiency overhaul to reduce the high supply cost and another I can't remember atm, and then add, extra cargo holds and fuel tanks and it serves that role admirably as well as also hauling freight and making my fleet stealthy af.

Brawler (standard and TT) are nice ships to have if you're looking for big battles because they have a much higher PPT than other frigates. Also, pretty sure Lasher has 5 small ballistics and 2 small missile.

I love the pirate falcon. Two reaper typhoons, two sabots, expanded missile racks, whatever else you want on it because you won't need anything else after you bulldoze at least 10-12 ships 😆 I like to just put two long-ish range anti armor energy weapons and two annihilator pods on autofire because it looks sick to see missiles constantly flying everywhere

Doom is wayyyyy undertiered :P It is an invaluable asset to have in the fleet and if you personally pilot it, it is even more lethal. Even without any weapons and optimized for a mine build, it can deal tons of damage, force damage onto omni-shielded ships and such. It is a deadly ship in all circumstances, even with the speed nerf.

Ox is ok on D tier (niche) but you must consider to buy one at least. If you want 18 burn and you dont want to SMod your paragon for an extra 2 burn drive, its cool to have. Ie: your Paragon has 17 burn and Dominator 18 (if you plan to max dps the Dominator), so 1 Ox can help to reach your max burn-ish of 18 without hull points.

The Odyssey isn't generally a ship you use to sit there and trade big hits with, except against other high speed, high maneuverable cruisers and battleships. It's a battlecruiser with plasma burn, you use it to approach at regular speed, veer off to the right to graze, fire SRM sabot swarms to smash a cruiser and destroy it with your 3 large weapon mounts, and plasma burn away when flux is maxed out and the rest of their fleet is swarming you. Then you do it again when plasma burn is recharged. Used this way it can almost fight evenly with a radiant, but some help from the fleet is always welcome there. With point defense build it can take on carrier fleets, with maneuvering skill you can outmaneuver and hit all the big low-tech ships from behind.

You should do another one of these split up by ship class. Wealth of knowledge though.

I love the omen. The sunder is a lot of fun but is definitely a glass cannon. I like running it with the plasma cannon. The fury is awesome mid game if you run 2 in your fleet. I find the colossus pretty useful. I like the enforcer as it can pop out of nowhere and surprise ships. The wolf is awesome as flank support and hunting down fast moving retreaters. I’ve been destroyed by a kite several times, they are easy to underestimate early game. If the Hounds had shields they would be ferocious. Buffalos are definitely c tier for me.

I'd be interested in seeing some tier rankings from some of the more popular mods, like Diable Avionics or Missing Ships Mod. Nice work Grumpy!

Nice! Can you also do another tier list on weapons?

I build my sunder with tachyon lance and two graviton beams. Then all the beam range extensions and shield extension to protect from flameouts. I can sit just outside the range of anything except rail guns and missiles and torps get knocked of course by the beams.

Enforcers actually have a high OP pool compared to other destroyers. The problem arises when you spend 50 or more points on medium ballistics and haven't the flux to fire them.

sunders with 2 graviton beams and tachyon lance or HIL work nice for me. They stay alive thanks to they range and have serious firepower for the destroyer. At the early game they are absolutely devastating against frigates an are usable in the late game

What happened to the Eradicator? Base is really good as a line ship to protect the backline, a few of them bring a lot of dakka at range, good for transitioning from Exploring to hunting and escorting fast capitals like Conquests. Base and P good for fast Fleets, or as a SO beasts. Only problem is that you find so few of them before you start doing bounties :(

Some have said that early game sunder are better than a hammerhead just because it has more utility. Hammerheads tend to get looked at more just because of their special ability which is basically the same as the brawler.

I like the kite and it’s interceptor auto fit. Good to keep with destroyers to help them defend from fighter spam. Possibly decent for heavier ships too

the Prometheus 2 is not slow. it wallows when it turns, but it can break 250 top speed with burn drive.

Perhaps not the video for this question but wanted to ask anyways. What ship do you think is best to practice with when trying to get used to player controlled combat? I've been just letting the AI do my fighting since I'm too nervous to do it myself (since I really botch it everytime lol)

You could build shieldless AI enforcer in a way that would allow it to solo AI paragon. once

I use my apogee like an aroura with heavy + antimatter blasters and safety overrides bc its shield is strong enough to really let you get in there and hang

Any comments on the new Eradicator and Manticore? As for the Mudskipper I did find a use for it: Spacer start early game cheap/fast salvaging/surveying. A large gas planet with 325% hazard rating requires a crew of 810 to survey and Mudskippers pack 100 crew in a frigate hull. They don't slow down Shepherds/Dram like Nebula would and have respectable cargo space as well. Plus they're dirt cheap.

Gotta question the XIV onslaught placement. Made an all armor no shield build with one and it is tearing through the campaign. I’ve had it beat most capitals outside of the paragon without even taking a point of hull damage.

A good build for the enforcer is to go long ranged, since it's so slow, you can't expect to force a knife fight in it. For that, a single Mauler and two Hypervelocity drivers on the front three medium mounts works well, with your pick of PD on the side mounts. (I'm partial to HMGs to fend off anyone who wants to make it a close range fight.)

I don’t even know what the heck the mk 2 Buffalo is for, other than turning into a ball

Paragon is okay....made my 14th battlegrooup dominator somehow more powerful than a paragon. It can 1v1 it without damage consistently. Heavy needler for shield pressure and a Hephaestus cannon for armour damage. 2 flak cannons behind them on the medium mounts demolish missiles/fighters and denies pressure from anti shield missiles. Built in heavy armour, armoured weapon mounts, hardened shield = 2450 armour (wtf) and 11400 HP. With a officer got the shield efficiency to 0.51. it's an absolute beast that can manage a small fleet by itself. With all that armour even if they can somehow get through the shield they aren't gonna hurt it it just has so much health. Give it a reckless officer and it tries to act like a main fleet anchor battleship

There are a few vanilla ships which are missing from this Tierlist as well. How do you rate the Eradicator, Eradicator (P), Manticore and Manticore (P) ? I would also be interested in seeing your opinions on [Redacted] and Remnant Ships and a certain capital sized phase ship as well.

Love piloting the Harbridger. Putting reaper missiles in the rear slots and a well timed quantum disruption can wreck any ship. Pretty useless and expensive in the AI's hands tho.

I've learned to use the Odyssey, you just strap 2 plasma cannons and put them in autofire, with maxed flux capacity and dissipation and run circles around everything. You can have some harpoons or typhon reapers, bu the plasma cannons will melt just about anything. For fighters, longbow bombers seem to work wonders, as a way to break enemy shields. Seriously, try it out sometime. There are few more satisfying things than to get behind a onslaugh or legion and just wreck their shit up.

For the Falcon-class, put assault chaingun on the ballistic hardpoints and graviton beam on the energetic points. Put high scatterer amplifier to make a pressure on your oppenent. You have a ship that can destroy a Dominator-class if you play aggressive.

Awesome list!

Non-pirate shades are easily A or even S for me. While they can only take on up to cruisers 1v1 (which is already good for a frigate), strapping a swarm of 4-5 piloted shades with Wolfpack and 2 AM blasters each and they can take on some serious fights. Team them up with a decent fleet comp and they tear things apart with ease.

Pirate colossus with shield shunt and bulkheads and integrated point defense ai slaps. Basically just an indestructible and cheaply maintained carrier. You can deploy like 20 of them at once. As far as i know, its the highest ratio of durability to deployment cost out of any loadout. Even more than the invictus dreadnaught

YES !!! Finally some recognition for the Legion ! The Millenium Falcon of Starsector ! (in my eyes anyway)

I've been working on the TT Brawler, it definitely can't take 2 medium slot guns or like you give it Graviton beams and make it an escort for a sunder or something to just kill ships with laser pointer spam. But I put a heavy blaster in one slot and 2 ion canons and then OP willing a low cost missile, i tend to test against a solo enforcer and this setup reliably wins over it, the biggest issue I've faced is one I've noticed with all brawler variants is that they hate getting up close to other ships, their AI is weird and I had to give it a shield shunt to prevent it from backing off out of opposing weapons range but not dropping its shields to vent.

Apogee's are cool I never go without one I literally always build it as a long range support type role with a extremely high powered energy weapon on the front and a squall, get that range mod for the energy weapons, and dump the rest of the OP into shield stuff. makes for a great poker/ fire drawing ship and it rips ass with some modded weapons. the flux stats are so good I don't even rig it with any PD

The Apogee should at least be A tier Low Maintenance cost and surveying equipment for 2 Large mounts and an amazing shield makes for a very good exploration ship

Atlas mark 2 in theory is a good missile platform but maaaaan sure wasn't when i had it in my fleet

51:31 Try SO Scarab approach with 4xIR pulse and Ion/Antimatter blaster - it has great speed and shields and can shred most frigates and even destroyers in first minutes of combat. Also unrelated but Atlas Mk2 is better than F tier for what it does. Yes, poor armor and speed and CR recovery are all awful but the sheer amount of dakka it provides for 24 points should not be underestimated. It is F tier in being frontline and tanking damage but I'd say it is at least A tier as a fire support ship/anti fighter defense. I like it alot with ITU Hellbores and ECCM Locusts. Other F tiers like Tarsus or Buffalo Mk2 also shouldn't be underestimated - they are the cheapest engagement point wise Converted Hangars in the game. Not that much better as a carrier but definitely not garbage.

The sunder is awesome if the players use it. But it is terrible if you let the AI use it like all "glass cannon" ships. When piloted by the player it works very well with 3 phase lances, both with SO for velocity or increased laser range hullmod.

The Sunder is my favorite ship of all times. It is usually my Flagship. Really hurts seeing it placed in C tier. However, the drawbacks are true. The large energy hardpoint is the Sunders main gimmick, but it lacks the flux stat to use it effectively. I usually put a plasma cannon in the large one and leave the medium energy hardpoints empty, as to have enough OP to max out on flux dissipation. And yet I still have to drop shields if I want to fire continuously. It's worth it though, the plasma cannon is a great weapon, and combined with the ships system brings down even light cruisers with ease.

personally i think using shrike with heavy blaster is better than the antimatter blaster, given the short range of the AMB just ends up getting the ship into danger

I love tempest with 2 ion pulsar and a missile. Quick clear frigates and can take a destroyer solo most times. 8 deployment cost.

I could be missing something here but I think you might have left out the eradicator?

The only reason atlas mk.2 was trash in 0.91 is because it is uber slow in space but in 0.95 you can have free +2 burn for civ ships, but in fleets it is a very good artillery ship. For me it is around B or C tier as it has low dp and has alot of dmg potential with 2 large ballistics, 2 missiles and accelerated ammo feeder.

I feel like you're wrong with the monitor, not because it isn't a great ship, it is, but because while it is very tanky I've noticed Tachyon lances obliterate it's because they seem to do damage through the shield. I figured this out because people were saying you can tank a paragon, but I went against one in the simulations and lances killed it quickly

I think you're mad underselling the Apogee. yeah it's not the best cruiser at soloing capital ships, but it's 18 deployment points, ofc it's not the best at that, it costs less than 75% of a dominator or champion. however it's got the strongest shield tank of any cruiser in the game, and works amazing as a supporting cruiser to your true line cruisers or capitals like the dominator or champion, stick a HIL or tachyon on it + a MLRS and it'll do wonders picking off annoying destroyers/frigates and pressuring opposing capitals/cruisers Plus it's got an amazing logistical suite for a ship as capable in combat as it is. 400 cargo, 450 max crew, 200 fuel capacity, only 2 fuel/ly and 2 built in logistical hullmods.

Phase Lances are okay medium energy and for me the TT Brawler gets more kills than the Tempest with pulse lasers. Add in high scatter amplifiers and an officer with elite energy weapon mastery and that's 1250x2x1.3x1.1 for 3575 hard flux damage every 6 seconds if multiplicative but 3500 if additive. Gryphons are a little better than you think in my opinion. I escort Moras with them and shred everything. Unlimited missiles because of 2 recharges from systems expertise - great for long fights. Monitors are good but as an escort it gets in the way of other ships but as a distraction they're good. Oh and on the Eagle XIV, SO plus 3 assault chainguns, 1x ion beam, 1x antimatter blaster, 2x ion cannons is what I go with but more antimatter is fine too. I leave the missile and 2 of the medium slots empty. Better at tanking and chasing ships down than other cruisers because of the special and shield efficiency - destroyers don't just get to back away and vent. Eradicator was post list but probably early-mid A tier for me. I love the Glimmer domain ships too. I put 2 antimatter blasters linked for max overload and they also fire and move away(still reckless with AI core), pulse laser and 2 LR PD lasers in, maxing capacitors, no vents. They hit like a ton of bricks. S-Tier with Alpha cores. They die a lot but 90% of no d-mods perk makes them worthwhile, I deploy them after about 15 seconds so they don't just rush in and die. I use 6 with alpha cores for max combat effectiveness. I don't really like other Remnant ships. They have high firepower but are fragile. With elite gunnery implants on the alpha cores, I get Nav boost/ECM advantage - which helps. Too bad about the Sunder, long range beams are just bad until cruisers.

Dude, do you think you could do a tier list for Fighter wings?

0:47 Cargo balloon, 5:04 Fuel balloon, 9:26 Another mid-size cargo balloon XD lol I think the reason why they exist in the game is to match the concept of pirate factions (pirates, pathers and poor player haha), who don't have strong fundamental infrastructure to manufacture standard combat ship so have no choice but to rely on inferior modified civilian-class vessel for their operation. Technically what they want to do is attacking a easy target like civilian convoy, collect goods from the wreckage and get the hell out of there asap, not having an open war against Hegemony or Tri-tachyon. Cheap ships with big cargo that can collect goods from their victim and couple of weapons to treat civilian are all they need, and that's what exactly those ship looks like in game (low price, low DP and large cargo space) Not for player ships though.

I'd argue that afflictor is easily S tier. For 10 commands points, that little guy with a couple antimatter blasters can just decide that the enemy is not going to have any carriers, and that anything without omnisheilds is basically dead. With 3 or 4 of them in a fleet, you can (somewhat tediously) take on any fight in the game.

2:10 Lion faces on the Legions. First time I've noticed it, either it's intentional or I'm seeing things.

Great Tier List; thanks for you opinion and not too surprised about your S Tier after seeing the Zero to Hero let's Play :-) Surprised though you put the Astral so high since I've never seen you use one ! Myself I haven't used it much so need to play with it some more.

Nah, Odyssey gotta get bumped up at least to A. Plasma burn to run circles around enemies, hit em with the high intensity lasers broadside, Squall missiles for the shield pressure and load up on support fighter ships. Keep big targets on your left side and run up on enemies like you're Jack Sparrow.

Dominator can be fun I like to use converted hangers. They can tank hits and keep the reapers coming.

With how much you like large missile slots, I'm surprised you don't like the atlas mk2. 24 dp for 2 large missile slots and enough ballistic slots to deny missiles or fighter retaliation seems up your alley. I like medium energy slots. They aren't as powerful in raw damage like a missile but they have a lot of utility in graviton beams and ion beams. Feel like there's some untapped potential there.

man I encountered a monitor in someone's fleet the other day, i think it was a hege merchant or something idk, and i was like why isnt this damn thing dying? I shot those red laser rockets into it, which up the flux on capital ships significantly, and he was just like "thats cool bro lol"

Bruh The Astral is hot garbage! I cannot begin to tell you the frustration I have been having with some of those Mission scenarios in the games main menu. Coral Nebula I think? You gotta take out an Onslaught with an Astral... and man getting the bombers to behave without S mods or officers or character points is legit a struggle. I think I have my best run at 83% and its bugging me that I haven't got the one with the Astral to 100% it's the only one! it says its medium difficulty and I have the one that is "Impossible" difficulty to 100% lol

No, the Griffin with 2 Large Missle, 3 Medium Missle and Small Missles would be completely overpowered! With the missle hull mod and the skill I would go for Griffin only fleets.

Disagree on 2 (so far) Apogee - it's awkward missile slots limit it to guided munitions, but most of the best missiles are guided anyway so it doesn't really matter. You also missed the best part of the ship. The thing is a brick of shield. I tanked a star fortress with the apogee. It's tougher than several capital ships. Griffon - I agree that it could use a few more missile slots but maybe not to the extent. I put a squall in the large and harpoons in the small and medium and it can alpha a brilliant.

Atlas 2 is a great fire support in player hands. Max out flux dissipation and venting speed, slap 2x Gauss Cannons and Hurricane MIRV and you've got a really powerful ship for only 30DP. B tier IMO Conquest is definitely an A+ tier. Shield stats alone don't mean squat. What matters is flux stats and the type of ship. The firepower coming off a Conquest and its mobility means things shouldn't be getting near enough to need anything better. And the best part about Conquests is that the AI handles them really well. Can't say that about most capital ships. They can keep it alive and get kills. What more could you ask? Legion I'd put B tier. AI is pretty meh with it, and it tries to be too much and doesn't have the OP for it. If I wanted to add fighters/bombers to my fleet I'd much rather use Herons. Way more cost effective and able to follow the flow of the battle and move fast enough to keep out of danger. Legion XIV, however, I'd give it A tier. Only reason it isn't S is because the bombers slows it down at chewing through capitals, and runs out of missiles before it can take advantage of its good Peak Performance. You're sleeping on the Odyssey. S tier. Firepower and tank of a capital, mobility almost better than a destroyer, can beat any capital with the right build, and has great stats for exploration. The skill ceiling is very high. A capital sized scalpel. Onslaught C tier. AI Conquest always does better. Only value is for piloting it to bully the badly-piloted slow and weak AI ships, or for people who feel good about smashing smaller fleets. Does best with Shield Shunt but that also gives it a limited lifetime. Too expensive for a damage sponge when Monitors exist. You're sleeping on the Prometheus 2 as well. Very strong bargain ship, although tough to outfit right, as evidenced by how bad the ones you face in combat are. Very cost effective ship for starting your campaigns out. Squall, HIL and M2AC's is all you need to start it rolling. And unlike the Atlas 2, its specialized storage wasn't completely obliterated. A tier. Not even letting the Prometheus off? It's more cost effective than Phaeton and has the OP to give it the logistic hullmods it needs, as well as Unstable Injectors and some weapons to give it a better chance to flee when necessary. It's also necessary for exploring so you aren't just dumping all the fuel you find, or getting in trouble or cutting your trips short because of a dry spell or you ran out of space for rescued ships in your fleet. And the game is literally impossible once your campaign matures and big fleets become the norm. Apogee....D tier. Can't do anything particularly well. Not worth the cost for any of the things it provides. Nerfed into oblivion. RIP. Doom is still pretty strong. You just gotta be smarter when piloting. Can't just weave through enemy fleets with impunity. And now it actually struggles with OP decisions just like most ships. It's worth its BP. It's just not overpowered anymore.