Thank you for sharing

Oh and by the way not one point would I have cringed at them getting any of that not correct. Espcially as I'm like there's a squal coming bring the erm... the ones at the top, you know the ones, bring them in. And then someone's says, you mean the t'gallant. I'll just claim I was just testing them.

What, you mean not every sailor is 100% on the ball 100% of the time in a completely technically appropriate way??? Hah, thanks so much for your feedback for it all! I think your more technical analysis helps to show not only how immensely complicated sailing is as a task, but also how impressive the show is given what they *did* show and what they did get right. I'm glad I wasn't totally off the mark on this one!

@@BrandonF shocking I know, you do get ribbed (teased) for it when you go out drinking afterwards, even though we all mess and mix them up. Exactly the scriptwriter must be a sailor/history lover or they had a sailing/historical consultant which for a fantasy kids movie, shows such a level of dedication, you have to admire. As they didn't have to go to these lengths.

@Cumberland Sausage I don't believe they are in a combat situation in that scene and in terms of a historical battle there is little reason to have such non descript large turns, in fact it could put you in a position for a raking shot would would be deviating for your ship, however I imagine with monsters it is very different and big movenments may be fine. Even though it was a kids movie they were actually taking into account the wind. Which was great.

This kid's adventure flick cares more about military supply and logistics than most militaries do.

Remove the dramas like the reply above and you got russia

@@West_Coast_Mainline ooooh... I hope Putler felt that burn through his nightmares🤣

Lol imagine actually useing 'putler'

@@matthiuskoenig3378 What about Putler? You like him?

Biggest Chad of all time

"Honey, I shot the goldfish."

@@jean-yvesmead3972 "Honey, i shot the dog while aiming the target cause i forgot the musket was smoothbore"

@@hanzchii9245 they aren't *that* inaccurate...

@@SonsOfLorgar its meant to be a joke A lame joke

It's so weird when you grow up and notice it as you watch media made for older audiences. Quite puzzling.

Some of the best films ever made have been “for kids.” When you get it right you’re sitting on something that can change the word.

I actually quite like the message of the story but I do have criticisms of it. For me the story isn’t saying “be skeptical of historians” it’s “be skeptical of your government because governments are self serving.” My main criticism of the message is that it’s very clearly aiming for anti-colonial and anti-imperial messages but its stand in for colonized peoples are giant sea monsters. M

Nah, there's plenty of middle ground.

It isn't even quite that. For the latter point, it literally is just garbage produced to either keep your kid occupied, or to sell a toy.

Honestly, I actually find myself avoiding historical stuff more lately. It feels like work to watch them unless it's something *really* good, and I have to be in a very particular mood to do so. On my free evenings I tend to gravitate more towards spoopy films or science fiction. When they end up terrible, it's less crushing.

@@BrandonF ah, atleast the tvs die less frequently when you bayonete them because a film is innacurate.

@@BrandonF The price to pray when you're a history buff Having to endure the cringe at bad historically inaccurate movies

and yet he STILL won't play blood and iron

@@thRegimentofFootThethRifles he doesnt play rblx

Opposite for me, my mom decided to watch a kid's movie for fun and invited me to stay near. I heard the lines and saw the scenes and... my God the thallasophobia I never knew I had pulled a chill right out of my neck when the captain, you know...?

Or like Master and Commander. The setting is in the "real" world, it is pure fiction, but the story itself is isolated enough that it could have happened alongside real world events.

*glances at the "Destroyermen" series.*

@@caelestigladii Though, Master and Commander (and the rest of the Aubrey-Maturin series for that matter) does fall into the trap of having Aubrey commanding real ships, including HMS Surprise, though the real Surprise was out of service by the time the Napoleonic Wars broke out iirc. I don’t necessarily think that’s a bad thing, but it does mean that it does change some things.

Maybe I don’t watch enough movies taking place in that historical time frame, but I never noticed a flintlock be fired multiple times without reload. But PISTOLS are a whole different can of worms 😅

I've seen French muskets with side mounted bayonets that look a lot like the ones in the movie.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that a nation in a different world might have different bayonet mounts than the average on here. Especially when there are already different bayonet mounts in our world. As long as we see it has a way of being mounted that is physical possible, it should be considered alright.

Did not have the springs with the barrel bands.

@@zachv1942 can be a side notch?

@@brianstabile165 just pointing out the difference between a bess and a charlivile

One of the biggest trends in modern media that I just despise is how dark it all has to be. Half the time things feel so unnecessarily edgy.

@@BrandonF Tell me about it! I get sick of that so much too. If there's one thing the world doesn't need more of it's darkness and writers have a lot of power to influence the emotions and mental states of the masses and as a certain uncle once said "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" Something I think more writers and film makers should think more about.

Based Treasure Planet and Atlantis The Lost Empire enjoyer, those movies were a big part of my childhood. Atlantis is in my opinion the best animated movie Disney ever made.

@@lonelystrategos That's for sure. It's a masterpiece.

@@BrandonF internet users when they find out art tends to reflect the state of society it's created in

Absolutely agree! Although I’d also say that it’s surprising to see such a plain uniform from such an otherwise gaudy and wealthy nation, and as such I would have rather either had an explanation for their being so plain or to have just seen a uniform closer to the real life equivalents, that is still a matter of aesthetic preference more than actual accuracy.

@@BrandonF I'd just put it down to similar reasons as to why French officers in the Seven Years War/French and Indian War used to be very plain for the most part (with fancier waistcoats than their justaucorps and hats etc.) despite being from a gaudy (and downright tacky, even) nation. The grenadiers of ''The Crown'' (what is the country called? I missed that) like to cultivate a non-showy and almost pious image.

@@kyriakospentheides Another thing they could've done is just order their regiments to be packed with more grenadiers than usual at any cost, in some form of "look we have more elite troops than you" to a foreign nation, in a similar manner to how(forgive this being the first reference i thought of) the Wehrmacht started handing out medals for basically anything during the second world war to make their soldiers look more accomplished.

I would take a Doylist, rather than Watsonian view of the matter. I would put it down to the needs of clarity, and communication. Good art needs a mixture of positive and negative space. Negative space is areas of low visual information, positive space is areas of high visual information. Not going to explain how that's defined exactly, but it's enough to say that complex detail = positive, minimal detail = negative. By contrasting positive space with negative space, it highlights the positive space for the viewer, drawing their attention. While the uniforms of the marines are based on quite gaudy 18th century military styles, I imagine their outfits are much more stripped-down to make the particulars of their design stand out. There's also their role in the story to consider. These guys aren't main characters. They're nameless goons in service of the antagonist. Making them look relatively plain helps communicate to the audience that they're not overly important to the story.

@@BrandonF Considering this took place in a somewhat Venetian setting, I guess they want to replicate 18th Century Venetian Armed forces. The Venetians aren't pretty elaborate, spare for the Schiavone regiments and Regiments of some of the Terraferma like the Grenadiers of Verona. Their Lagunari/Fanti da Mar did wore a Blue Red uniform with minimal flares and a simple cap similar to Light Infantry (forgot what those called). I kinda dare say if the Marines wore Blue and red in the story, they would be indistinguishable from Venetian Army of the 18th Century

Good call! Yeah, that looks like a more apt comparison.

I saw the model of that in the Maritime Museum at Greenwich a few weeks back when I visited London! It looks utterly ridiculous... more so in person than in diagrams!

The ship in the show has 224 guns lol

@@prich0382 I kind of get the feeling it'd work itself apart in a moderate swell.

Holy cow, that MF puts the santísima Trinidad to shame

Fire? Where? All hands on deck, we have a fire!

Though I don’t think they used “port” at this time, it was starboard and larboard then.

I love that series.

I still to this day go back and read these books, they are my happy place

The accuracy as far as arms and armor is not great, though.

Honestly I think it's a lot more excusable with books. They are written by one person essentially without a budget most of the time. If they are established they might have some funds but a lot of books are written by average people in their spare time. It's not like they can hire ten different experts to get every detail right.

Man i grew up on that.

Glad it isn't just my landsman sensibilities!

One of the games that I can remember that would perfectly match what you’re referring to would be Greedfall. Decent game, but setting looks good.

Me too. I'm giving a try on writing some stuff of it, but the world building is quite difficult, even sticking to some already larged used tropes.

An honorable mention after greedfall is I think avowed, it's more late fantasy although it has guns. I haven't really played much of the past games yet, but I have seen a couple scenes take place on boats. They have a trailer for the next game, which isn't going to isometric but rather 1st and presumably 3rd person. Its made by obsidian, they are also working on though otherworlds2 so I don't remember which will come out 1st. I think outersworlds2. Personally excited for both but admitly avowed seems more interesting being a fantasy setting with guns and a interesting looking magic system.

Indeed, Brita Hagberg, Anna Maria Engsten and Dorothea Maria Lösch served in the Battle of Svensksund. Brita Hagberg served under the false name of Petter Hagberg in the Life Guards (Royal Body Guard, kind of) and served on board the Styrbjörn. She was shot and wounded in the chest, or what would upon medical inspection (against her will) turn out to be breasts and her sex was revealed. Hagberg would receive a military pension of 3 riksdaler (old Swedish currency), an extremely rare occurrence for a woman. Both Hagberg and Anna Maria Engsten participated in the gauntlet of Viborg days before the battle, where Engsten evacuated a supply boat, which started leaking after Russian shelling, refusing to leave the boat she steered the boat back to safety. For this she received 50 riksdaler from King Gustav III. Both Hagberg and Engsten were awarded the "For Valour at Sea" medal for their service. And lastly, Dorothead Maria Lösch, as you mentioned served aboard the Armida and took over command of the ship after all officers had been wounded, killed or moved to other ships. As recognition for her service she was awarded the rank of Captain by King Gustav III, the first woman to so in the Swedish Navy. This was rather shamelessly lifted from Wikipedia and quickly translated by myself, but I felt it was interesting enough to share some further information on the matter.

Not only that, Dorothea Lösch (the woman who took command of Arminda) was later condecorated and honorarily promoted to captain. On the other hand Anna Maria Engsten single-handly steered a ship back to Sweden at night and under fire!

Swedish women look like men. Viking genes

@@sirjohnbarlow7261 wonderful!

Same.

I like well written stories too... however, not all authors are able to do that. New authors in particular tend to write poorly thought out stories full of problems. There are three aspects to novels... characters, plot, and setting. If the author messes up with one, but the others are decent to great, then I can still enjoy the novels... if the author messes up all three... I can't stand the book. Example: There is a KZfaqr who wrote a story a few years back. In the first 5 chapters he contradicted his world building. In this "world" continents just float in the air, there is a large continent, which has 3 smaller continents above it. On the underside of one (or all; I can't remember which) the continents is an entire ecosystem, complete with large flying animals living in trees. Those animals sometimes go to the large continent. The main character, many years ago, fought in a war which took him into the caves of the large continent; which he was in for several months... constantly fighting monsters. As the sun is always in the exact same position, they tell time through the relative distance a large rock is on its travels, as the world's bottom loops into its top. So this rock has been falling on its path for an indeterminate amount of time. They ended up using it's location relative to the "bottom" and "top" of the world as their absolute measurement of time; One Fall = One Earth Day (plus or minus minutes/hours). However, in chapter 2, he jumped off the side of the large continent and fell to the bottom of the "world" before passing through the barrier to continue his fall from the "top". So, based on this information (some of which we get in chapters 3 through 5), he should have slammed face first into the side of the continent. The force which keeps flora/fauna on the underside of the smaller continents from falling to the top of large continent should also act on the continent's side. Yet... the author didn't think about that... and uses the word "gravity" to describe the air flowing from top of the world to the bottom. The setting was ruined for me, as that's not how gravity works... that's not how that setting works given the information he provided. Hell! How does _weather_ work in this "world"? The setting is just not logically consistent. :/ The other big mistakes involves messing up the plot and characterization. These two things are intertwined as the author was writing a redemption story. The most important aspect of a redemption story is for the audience to _care_ about the character being redeemed. This care can be brought about by making the audience empathize or sympathize with the character. It's especially useful to make the character likable. However, that's not what the author did. The author wrote a redemption story around the worst tyrant you could think of, complete with lowering the age of consent so he could put naked children on display as a status symbol and at night "slept" with them. His subordinates constantly replaced these children as he got bored of them so he victimized hundreds of children before his empire was destroyed and he fled to a small village under a fake name where he stayed for several decades until he was in his 80's and then, decided to jump off the continent instead of dying in his bed. The result of this is a character I don't empathize with, let alone sympathize. In fact, I dislike this character... he's effing arrogant. Of course, that's not the only characterization problem... other than his arrogance, his characterization is inconsistent. At the start of the novel, he's 80 years old and on his death bed... after his jump, he became a "wizard" and was granted a new body, that of an 18 year old. So... recognizing that he needs to keep a low profile, until he is able to forge a birth certificate, he goes around suing his magic to save people as he travels to hit "home" to pick up his journal and his sword... the sword that if anyone sees it, would be able to recognize it as the tyrant's sword. On top of that, he picked up his old badge which shows everyone he's a top tire sword master. So, he's attracting lots of unneeded attention to himself. Worse, he meets a freaking priests and agrees for the priest to travel with him; A priest who recognizes the sword! The result of this unneeded attention was him meeting one of his victims... so he calls her by name, compliments her on her looks, and thinks about her in that way even though he's full of guilt for what he did to her. Throughout most of the book, he's full of anger... and is very quick to act upon it. All of this shows the audience he has all the impulse control of an 18 year old instead of the impulse control of a 80 year old man that he is supposed to be. He doesn't act consistently throughout the book, except his arrogance. He has done things that's unforgivable... and the last chapter is about accepting his fate... and him being happy he's a better person, a good person. As a first attempt it's not a good book. The author tried to write a complex story, without the experience and skills required to pull it off.

@@aralornwolf3140 One of my problems with Shads book was more of a personal taste thing: In some parts it felt a bit preachy (you can clearly see his personal morals and political takes, which isnt bad necessarily, art is always political, but sometimes it was a bit much). Sure his book wasnt perfect on a technical writing aspect, but for a first time author with no formal training either its not bad. I did enjoy parts of it.

@@noneofyourbusiness3288 , Sure, some parts are nice... especially the parts where he shows off his knowledge and skills... despite not doing anything with it for decades... I mean, he's a pretty close to being a Gary Stu as he was deliberately written to be the best at everything he does, especially if the plot needs a professional for something. That's more inconsistent characterization. :/ Again, I couldn't stand Dayless the Conqueror. I want him dead; as he deserves. There was another redemption story I read years before Shad's. The story is about Olek Skilgannon aka The Damned. Written by an experienced and skilled author, David Gemmel. The first third of the book, about half of which were flashbacks of The Damned's life, starting in early childhood, progressing to how he slaughtered the populous, all of them, of a surrendered city, before ending with him surviving a plague which his innocent wife, who he loved, did not. The Damned understood what he did was completely wrong, that he deserves eternal damnation in hell for his actions. Those who paid attention know The Damned to be a good person, who because of circumstances, did a horrible, horrible thing. A horrible, horrible thing that the readers empathize with him for doing... as we would have done the same things as him, or sympathized with him as we understood why he slaughtered the city even if we would have refused to do so. All The Damned wants to do is live out his life... so his eternal punishment in hell is delayed. He understands that nothing he does is ever going to atone or redeem him... that what he did can't be undone. "If I was a warrior and heard stories about The Damned, I would try to kill him too." - The Damned explaining why he has no hard feelings against a traveling companion who tried to kill him. Contrasting that with Dayless, who spends hours in self-pity, self-remorse whenever he thinks about what he did. Seeing and being near his victims is _torture_ to him... and he wants that torture to end. He deliberately goes around trying to be a hero to people to cover up his guilt/remorse for is actions; as an attempt to remove the guilt, the self-pity he has for himself for his atrocities he has committed. He only cares about himself, he only does good, because he wants to be seen as good. He's effing arrogant; at times selfish. I just can't stand Dayless. I can't enjoy the story in part of my distaste of Dayless... the plot and setting issues just make it worse. As for politics... it takes great skill for an author to write a book and no one is able to see their political leanings, as they are able to write accurate portrayals of multiple political-social-economic points of view. Yet, some things the authors can't get around. If the author is pro-choice, it will be reflected in their story. If the author supports LGBTQA+ rights, it will be reflected in their story. Example: Patricia Briggs' character Mercedes Athena Thompson Hauptmann is a liberal. She is friends with a homosexual couple. Several times, the character remarks on the slow acceptance of homosexuality in her society. At no point does a conservative point of view is brought up or portrayed; that I recognized. We can infer that Patricia Briggs is a Liberal. As her story is set in the present day state of Washington, we can infer that Patricia Briggs herself votes Democrat. However, at no point does Patricia Briggs inserts real-world politics in her novels... so the Democrat and Republican parties are portrayed in her novels not as how they actually are.

The animation itself might not be more expensive (or only slightly more expensive) but the research required for know how to make the animation accurate can take a lot of money or time.

@@seneca983 true, but you'd need that for a live production as well, plus the cost of the actual prop/costume

I thought the sea beast was a boring costume fantasy filled with girl power gone wrong, until I realise that it’s not like Cocomelon nor it will ever be. In fact it’s way better, in terms of being faithful enough to history, than most costume dramas in the ‘based on a true story’ model known to mankind.

What if it's a story following one of the female pirate captains that actually did exist? Because though they were vastly overshadowed by their male counterparts, there were female pirates. Just broadly claiming that they did not exist whatsoever is also erasing history!

Great to hear from you- I'm glad you enjoyed the video! You all did fantastic work!

after her "upgrade" to 130 guns in 1795-96, she was also, quite possibly, the warship in the world with the worst sailing characteristics, leading to the nickname El Ponderoso, as well as some suggestions that she should only be used for defense of the Bay og Cadiz, as she was just too sluggish for even a line battle.

@@frederiknielsen6038 Ah, Spanish humour... I love that nickname and can figure why: it means "fat" and sounds almost the same as "poderoso" (powerful), so a perfect pun. It indeed had very bad sailing characteristics, but in battle it was extremely powerful.

@@podemosurss8316 And now I have learned something. I don't speak Spanish so didn't realise about the pun when Drachinifel mentioned the ship in one of his videos.

@@TheBespectacledN00b Don't worry, it's just that I'm a native. Also "ponderoso" is in disuse nowadays.

Actually the Océan was a bit bigger, not as many guns, but a larger ship. "She was reputed to be the largest warship in the world, for which she was nicknamed El Escorial de los mares by the Spanish, until surpassed in sheer size by the new type French 120-gun ships such as Océan (1790) and Orient (1791)."

I hope they enjoyed it!

@@BrandonF They love it

@@BrandonF You know Brandon. I would honestly take this film's message to be more of a warning against imperialism and how the victor in empire could rewrite of their enemies But it also warns against "yello" journalism You could definitely say Confederacy was an empire of its own where Cotton is king and men were chattel. With a slavor aristocracy However, since this was more based off British and French and those history are not really the Americas as much, it should be taken as such on that ground. There wasn't a complete attempt at genocide and encroachment on the native lands of the seabeasts for crown and for motherland.

You got it finalized!

Oh... This gives me an idea

And of course the instances of female pirates as leaders such as as Zheng Yi Sao and Gráinne Ní Mháille

If you create a fantasy setting, I really don't mind if if the social norms are at the discretion of the creator tbh

Band of misfits is what it was called in Australia

@@delfinenteddyson9865 they’re not social norms. Men were just more likely to be pirates bc they’re way better at physically demanding tasks. That’s why it’s so unrealistic when they make so many female characters in leads that a woman wouldn’t be able to do

@@zzodysseuszz Pfft

I think my main discomfort with it is that it can so easily be interpreted in different ways, some of which are deeply troubling. I don't blame the writers as bad people, of course! I just don't think it was the best way to go about it all.

I thought it was about imperialism, with the humans representing the imperial powers and the monsters representing the natives. The humans go on quests to hunt and kill monsters, just as Britain, Spain, etc. killed and subjugated countless natives in the places they conquered and colonized. They then tell a narrative that justifies their actions, which becomes their version of history as it passes from generation to generation. My mom interpreted it this way too. However, different people will interpret it differently.

If you have been paying attention, you'd notice that we currently are (or at least were, before the whole netflix/ hbo/dycovery debacle) in a sort of golden age for animation Just steer out of the mainstream Disney/ Pixar/ minions shit a little bit and you'll see Never before so many independent studios have been putting out this much quality content Newcomers, doing do much experimental stuff, just look at fortiche's Arcane for a brief frame of reference Animation is medium that know no limit for storytelling, and the world is finally, slowly starting to realize that (CEOs might need a few years more to take their heads out of their assess and see it)

@@matheussanthiago9685 Yeah, but what Child is doing that? Certainly not any I've seen. However, I will say that you have a fair point. I am just stating that the average child watches Cocomelon or something of the sorts. Anyways, have a good day. Cheers!

(glares in cartoon saloon)

Very well expressed, and indeed the drilled discipline of the crew is a detail the animators and writers did not need to include, but for having done so the film is improved

"If you know, you know" is a surprisingly good way to describe this sort of thing!

When you're trained for something physical you're going to do it basically the same way you were taught. Muscle memory is a real thing (although that information is actually stored in your cerebellum, which is part of your hindbrain). The whole idea is that you get drilled in something to the point where even under duress it will be automatic.

@@00muinamir His training wasn't adequate enough, simple as that, then. Or it all flew out of the window the moment he came up against a monster the size of a small castle, it would hardly be the first time a soldier makes a mistake under the duress of an impending battle or during thereof.

Exactly. And then everyone just believes the kid without any fact checking

Theoretically, you could deal with that by having graphic settings with more & less detailed models. Of course, that'd still be more work for the 3D artists.

You should always point out inaccurate details in a fantasy regardless of if it makes sense in that fantasy setting, to avoid people assuming a fantasy detail is 1 of the historical details. Also p.s. The lack of diversity in history wasn't just being 'less socially forwards' its also a matter of technology (and relative technology). 1) for racial/cultural diversity: Historically (and still in Much of the world) the cost of moving was not justified by the increase in living standards. Colonisation happened because people could build better living standards than they had in their home counties. Similarly modern - colonisation- mass immigration is the result of people getting better living standards (as Europe is no longer overpopulated like it was during colonial times, so there is a living standard increase by moving there) 2) for gender diversity, home owning is actually extremely labour intensive without relatively modern technology. Women didn't achieve equality because of some random realisation it was achieved because technologal advancement allowed it. We see this with historical societies with relative gender equality on paper, due to the technology of the time women are not really as equal in practise.

The real trifecta!

I loved B5 as a kid.

It’s meant to allude to my point in the video that this movie is “like Master and Commander for kids”

@@BrandonF ah I see, sorry I misunderstood.

No trouble!

You may enjoy the series “Love, Death, and Robots” if you’ve not seen it yet! The name doesn’t really do the series justice. It’s a series of ten to thirty minute long animated short films for adult audiences, ranging from Lovecraftian horror to comedy. Most are sci fi.

@@BrandonF Thank you for the recommendation!

I didnt, i grew up on muffin stories. They talked about various historical figures mostly from the 16, 17, and 1800s for season 8

ngl I hated liberty kids, i remeber the AMERICA! in the intro tho

And since the enemy is large monsters, when fighting on land a loose formation could minimize casualties or allow and encircling of the beast. Though there could be a case for a wall of bayonets/square formation to deter a charge in the first place.

I think by main they mean main sheet although not sure I sail MUCH smaller boats

or main sail

"we did demonize animals" that's a sweeping generalization

@@Winaska a generalization for sure, but the point behind the post still stands. Rather it be the European wolf, tasmanian tiger, atlas lion, or Sumatra tiger. We tend to treat large predators as a problem that must be exterminated and not as natural parts of the ecosystem we must coexist with. Remember that the tasmanian tiger was a easy animal to blame for the life stock deaths, but killing them didn't solve the problem.