FF13 still looks incredible more than a decade later. That's impressive for a 7th generation console game. And don't even pretend and say that this OST isn't one of the best in the series
@streetsmart34662 жыл бұрын
I'm playing the game now on Xbox live and it is gorgeous, especially on an OLED screen.
@fabesey20162 жыл бұрын
It's visually impressive even now for sure, but I disagree about the music. There were a few great tracks (some of the battle themes and that Oerba music, wow),but imo most of the music was forgettable, bland electronica.
@VermilionRen2 жыл бұрын
@@fabesey2016 The Gapra Whitewood, Dust to Dust, The Archylte Steppe, March of the Dreadnaughts, and Lake Bresha send their regards.
@kevinvu54322 жыл бұрын
It's definitely an iconic ost. But everything sounds grand all the time even for non grand moments. It all starts to sound the same.
@fabesey20162 жыл бұрын
@@VermilionRen Dust to Dust was my favourite track in the whole game; was genuinely moved by it. Was one of the few times where I felt Hamauzu recaptured his form from FFX. I can't tell you what to like man, but I didn't care for the other tracks you mentioned, they were just....fine. I'd probably like this OST a bit more if the melody of The Promise grabbed me, but it doesn't really so the bunch of motifs of it didn't do much for me personally.
@YoungOneJim2 жыл бұрын
The battle theme of this game still lives rent free in my head, you hit the nail on the head about the soundtrack being pure fire
@Quiqueleal852 жыл бұрын
easily one of the best battle themes ever, if you hear it once it will be stuck with you for quite a lot of time
@idcpharrel77152 жыл бұрын
@@Quiqueleal85 bro j was like 8 in 2013-14 and i had a ps3. I got it for christmas and got final fantasy xii. I forgot the name of the game until recently and just now found the song ive been looking for over 6 years 💀
@CorranHorn842 жыл бұрын
"Final Fantasy XIII Retrospective Review" by Resonant Arc (2018): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qpmCebakqtiodmw.html
@medina2407ify2 жыл бұрын
FFVI is light years better
@aninfinitemindofmusicandreams2 жыл бұрын
I listen to Snow's theme often and I feel like I'm on some real hero mode ish when I do. Great soundtrack, though I have FFX's soundtrack as my personal favorite out of the entire series. XIII's is in the top 5 though.
@Sctn1872 жыл бұрын
As a kid the cinematics were what I lived for in rpgs
@dream6562 Жыл бұрын
Now as an adult I want amazing cinematics and a great story, I don't make trade offs, I only add
@jeriemiahborela4433 Жыл бұрын
this is so real. i remember begging my dad to watch the cinematics of this game to convince him to buy it 4 me
@Sctn187 Жыл бұрын
@@dream6562 I enjoyed ff13 when it came out and if they would sell it on the store I'd buy it and platinum it now. As for the sequels probably not.
@paulwoodford19849 ай бұрын
I’m found the game so boring. i had to force myself to complete it. the characters, the story were forgettable. i was so pleased when it was over and i never play it again.
@jjcoola9984 ай бұрын
Absolutely haha, OP was spot on describing me as a kid when he said the thing about hearing the PSX loading up a cinematic, I'd get so fucking hype
@latteARCH Жыл бұрын
For me, Hamauzu's use of piano, violins, and synth is something incomparable in video game music.
@cpurizumu Жыл бұрын
Yeah, Hamauzu is amazing. I think Sigma Harmonics' OST is a perfect showcase of his work and one of my favorite OSTs ever. It's so good, and his identity is really present too.
@jonnykhatru Жыл бұрын
My favourite tracks in 10 are his work, I was very pleased he was chosen to do the entire 13 soundtrack. He did some great work in VII Remake as well!
@reloadpsi Жыл бұрын
The guy knows how to create an ambience.
@tiagozilliosoares798810 ай бұрын
Truly something else, plus he can effectively make use of lots of different musical genres and instruments and still be amazing at doing it. For example the jazz tracks in 13 and 13-2 are smooth af
@thepews15112 ай бұрын
Hamauzu is so slept on. The Whispers theme and XIIIs whole OST damn near unmatched.
@Otinashi2 жыл бұрын
over the years i've learned to appreciate more linear games much more than i used to. Sometimes it's nice to just follow a single path without worrying about exploring every nook and cranny. But maybe that's just an effect of me getting older and having less time to devote to playing games
@DjVader1122 жыл бұрын
Specially now that open world games are everywhere, I enjoy a linear game once in a while
@RaidenKaiser2 жыл бұрын
To me it's just me being sick of every game trying to be the next Skyrim
@jacobburr35702 жыл бұрын
@@RaidenKaiser I was thinking fallout, but same dif
@lethauntic2 жыл бұрын
You can't really say that when FF13 takes, like, 50 hours to complete. Linear games are just as good as open world games, not disagreeing there, but if you don't have time for an open world game you still won't have enough time for this.
@Otinashi2 жыл бұрын
@@lethauntic Meant more in general rather than FFXIII specifically, but I more so mean it's easier to just play for an hour or two here and when I come back I can just keep going on the same path. Maybe it's just me but I find it a lot harder to come back to an open world game after a while of not playing. Tend to just feel lost and usually end up restarting rather than picking up where I left off, which can be frustrating and is the reason I haven't finished a lot of open world games that I otherwise enjoy. Whereas with a linear game I can just pick it back up and don't really have to worry about what I was doing before because there's a clear path ahead of me
@sarge555555500000002 жыл бұрын
I didn't notice this till my 3rd playthrough or so. But a good foreshadowing that vanille is already a l'cie before everyone else is she has 3 atb gauges when everyone else has 2 before they pick the fight with the fal'cie. It's the small stuff that made me appreciate the game more on repeat runs.
@sarge555555500000002 жыл бұрын
Damnit you brought it up in the video never mind lol
@stanm44102 жыл бұрын
Yeah, in addition to that she has I think 400 HP to start the game, which is the most of any character. When the party turns to L'Cie, they all gain 100-150 HP or so compared to the previous chapter. This is before you spend any crystarium points. But Vanille doesn't gain any extra HP.
@sarge555555500000002 жыл бұрын
@@stanm4410 I didnt notice that either! lol
@Dark_WolfPL2 жыл бұрын
I realized it some time after finishing a game. I was doing something thought a bit about a a game and than it hit me.
@TetsuRiken2 жыл бұрын
And you can see her mark even if on a first playthrough you wouldn't notice it
@Anduril748712 жыл бұрын
Honestly, my biggest issue with 13, outside of some of the characters(and I'm surprised to hear that a lot of that is possibly the fault of the localization being bad), was with not being able to switch your party leader at any time which could lead to an instant game over even if you had a crap-load of Phoenix Downs.
@ryancoughlan72052 жыл бұрын
You can switch your party leader after chapter 10. I feel like this was mostly done so you can a full feel for every character and their unique perks before you choose your best team
@laughingseal2282 Жыл бұрын
I actually think this game is horrible, feels like a chore where you barely interact with anything and the story when it isn't confusing and is not making much sense has the worst pacing ever in any rpg.
@Anduril748717 ай бұрын
@@ryancoughlan7205I know this comment is a year old, but I was specifically talking about during battle. If I'm playing as Lightning and get ko'ed, it's a game over, despite having a healthy party and Phoenix Downs to spare.
@FinalFantasyXDen-br4toАй бұрын
the camera was dogshit. it was right up the character's ass, which is what made it feel so linear and claustrophobic. A zoomed out camera like X is far superior.
@jakezepeda1267 Жыл бұрын
I have no idea why I bought final fantasy 13 years ago, never played a Final Fantasy game before, but I loved it and wish I could experience it for the first time again.
@eveningrice Жыл бұрын
It was because of lightning on the cover, wasn't it?
@onojioboardwalk9748 Жыл бұрын
.. Because you didnt listen to anyone and your FIRST-choice was awful rotting-garbage like 'ff13.'' Any other choice in the world and you chose that one, Every copy of it need's to erased or burned in fire.
@Beleth420 Жыл бұрын
@@eveningrice That and seeing the graphics being better than 99% of xbox games at the time.
@but_iWantedTo_speakGerman Жыл бұрын
What's wrong with you?
@onojioboardwalk9748 Жыл бұрын
@@but_iWantedTo_speakGerman No one knows who your referring to.
@PaulSmith-nb6md2 жыл бұрын
One of the best things I liked about 13 was how the heroes came to terms with the fact that they didnt really have a happy ending waiting for them win or lose and still did everything they could. And the music slapped hard.
@wjd231042 жыл бұрын
"and still did everything they could." They spend the entire game trying to work out what their "focus" is. You know, their motivation. The thing the writers were supposed to come up with. Clearly that motivation was to save Cocoon (or the people inside it). They attempted to achieve this....by blowing up Cocoon with everyone inside it, with no plan. The writers then decided that this just works for some reason. Despite repeatedly stating, that they did the thing, that villain wanted them to do, and that would kill everyone. Your favourite thing was that the characters behaved like psychopathic morons and were rewarded for it? I did like the music though.
@PaulSmith-nb6md2 жыл бұрын
@@wjd23104 Except they didnt kill everyone in cocoon and the alternative was what exactly? I am confused as you clearly read what I said yet somehow missed the part where I said they had no happy ending win or lose? My favorite thing was exactly what I said. You are attempting to twist it in a way that doesnt actually relate to anything I said. Their focus is not their motivation. Their focus is their reason for existing which was to do exactly what they did. Their motivation was not turning into slaves that didnt decide their own fate. Next time try using proper definitions and pay attention to what was actually said if you want to attempt to make a counter argument.
@wjd231042 жыл бұрын
@@PaulSmith-nb6md "Except they didn't kill everyone in cocoon" Why was that exactly? Was it due to a well thought out plan? No, it was because the writers said so, after explicitly stating such an action would lead to everyone dying. "the alternative was what exactly?" Help ferry people out of Cocoon, down to Pulse. Instead of doing something that they thought, would kill everyone in Cocoon? "yet somehow missed the part where I said they had no happy ending win or lose?" Imagine I strap a collar to your neck and I tell you that it will explode, if you don't do what I say. I then tell you to attend a crowded stadium and that I intend to blow you up at that stadium to kill people. You could A) Do what I said and get yourself and others killed or B) Refuse and just get yourself killed. Now you'll say but You also threatened to start a huge fight in the stadium, that will destroy it even if you don't come. Right but for my plan to work, I clearly needed you, that's why I repeatedly tried to get you to do what I wanted. Why do what I want in that situation? "My favorite thing was exactly what I said. You are attempting to twist it in a way that doesnt actually relate to anything I said." Lets go back to what you said "and still did everything they could" They blew up Cocoon. The place they were trying to save. They did that intentionally. I am pointing out that what you said was stupid. Instead of realizing that what you said was stupid, you argued that I was twisting your words. "Their focus is not their motivation. Their focus is their reason for existing which was to do exactly what they did" Wow. This is the definition of motivation: "a reason or reasons for acting or behaving in a particular way." Their focus explicitly, according to the game, was to destroy Cocoon. That is the focus of both Fang and Vanille initially and later the rest of the group receives the same focus. "Their motivation was not turning into slaves that didnt decide their own fate." They literally would have turned into zombies if they had 'decided' to purse a fate, that was different from the one, their master branded them with. The slavery metaphors were not subtle but the writers were so stupid, they couldn't find a way to write their characters out of their slavery, without them doing their master's will. "Next time try using proper definitions and pay attention to what was actually said if you want to attempt to make a counter argument." I suggest some careful self reflection on your part.
@PaulSmith-nb6md2 жыл бұрын
@@wjd23104 No one said they had a plan. Why do you keep bringing that up as if someone said that? Again nothing to do with what i said and braking my reply down the way you did apparently hasnt helped your ability to comprehend what i said. Perhaps you simply cant read? Either way they didnt kill everyone. So bitch all you want.....but it didnt happen. How exactly were they gonna ferry people out of Cocoon dummy? What resources did they have to accomplish this task? How much time did they have to accomplish this task when it was against their focus....which would have turned them into monsters had they not completed? So again what was the alternative dummy? Even your analogy doesnt make sense. What does this collar have to do with what they did? Was their fate to blow up a stadium? Was their fate death should they not compete their task? No. It was to wander for eternity as a monster....which could still be used to destroy cocoon. So i guess the only option is to do what I want and take a chance i dont die....but killing the person who put me in the predicament. Just like they did. What part of did everything they could didnt you understand? You quoted it so that implies you at least recognized i said it but fail to grasp such a simple concept. What i said wasnt stupid what you just said was because you arent even taking what i said into account to make a counter argument. You're just talking and missing the point so how exactly was i supposed to realize what i said was stupid....stupid? They fought....because that was their only option....hence the phrase they did everything they could. Motivation is not the same as someone's reason to exist. They had no motivation to destroy cocoon. That is the reason they were made L'Cie. Their motivation for accomplishing said focus was not becoming monsters. How exactly is this too complex for you to understand? No they wouldnt have turned into zombies if they pursued their fate. They would have turned into crystal....the same thing that happened to Sazh's son or do you not know the difference between accomplishing one's focus and failing it? Again something stupid you just said. They did accomplish their focus so why would they turn into zombies? Their writers arent stupid, you are because you seem to have things backwards and somehow dont realize that. So exactly why do you suggest self reflection again? Through your stupidity you have failed to make a valid point again.
@robertnomok97502 жыл бұрын
@@PaulSmith-nb6md Your sad attempt to protect weak writing of ff13 is so bleak compared to his arguments.
@NeverKnowsBest2 жыл бұрын
This is a really good video. I don't know how many views this will get relative to your Nier related videos (I'm writing this far too early to tell), but if it doesn't get as many views as you were hoping for, I hope you don't feel discouraged. It's a youtube algorithm problem, not a quality of the video problem. Videos great, keep it up.
@ThBrando2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, it means a lot. While it would be nice to get a ton of views, my main goal was getting a message across, and I've gotten a lot of supportive comments from people, so I'd say I hit my goal. Ultimately these are the kinds of videos I truly feel passionate about making, so I'm gonna keep on making them!
@TheDeadmanTT2 жыл бұрын
Look who showed up here.
@Meyeselph2 жыл бұрын
Ey. I was also wishing to offer words of encouragement and other person I like shows up. Eeeeyyyy. Also subscribed. Continue with the deep dives you have an eye for it.
@DCtheSoulChild2 жыл бұрын
A million views
@justhaku92402 жыл бұрын
@@ThBrando and this is why you're the realest person on KZfaq and the community is amazing
@exp8all Жыл бұрын
Around the time when XIII came out, I already had the mindset and appreciation that square enix had an history of not being afraid of trying new things in their FF games. To me, I enjoyed XIII for it trying to change battle system to something completely new. (it helps keeps things fresh from time to time) With new systems, there obviously a need for a tutorial to help the player get adjusted and learn how to use it to optimally. I think linearity was needed for XIII to help guide the player through the new mechanics and to help drive story pace forward without too many interruption.
@groudonvert72862 ай бұрын
Yeah exactly. Even now, ff13 is the most difficult gameplay to be good at in the series.
@sketchtheparadigmyork12179 ай бұрын
I think the “linearity” was ACTUALLY because they wanted to make this game beautiful… like a Disney ride. It looks great because you’re on a track disguised as an entire world. And they pull it off in that regard.
@skybluenerd2197 ай бұрын
@UnjustifiedRecsThe gaming world is a pretty fair place, huh? lol
@DanielLopez-ob9jz6 ай бұрын
@UnjustifiedRecs people definitely shit on FF16 for a few notable reasons, idk what you're smoking... I just think that people criticize FF13 for feeling confined. It wasn't the linearity, MOST final fantasy games are linear in design, but keeping people from that feeling is what often differentiates them. And lots of people shit on the trilogy for writing choices.
@nightfears30056 ай бұрын
@UnjustifiedRecs 🤡
@JapanFreak25952 жыл бұрын
In defense of Nora death scene and the repercussions there after, I always saw it as Snow’s being blamed in part for recklessly involving civilians in his ill conceived plan to save Sarah and the people from the purge. Even if Hope’s mom chose to fight to protect her child, Snow still offered her the gun, and ran from taking responsibility for so long.
@TirOrah2 жыл бұрын
What I found interesting upon replaying the game years later, is that Snow actually *did* feel quite bad about that and actively doubted himself. Only for his yes-men/woman to cheer him back up, prompting him to put on his mask again and avoid the subject. For Snow, it was in a way a good thing that he was separated from his buddies. That group was a cycle of bad influence.
@supergamenchillbros.66432 жыл бұрын
It's that part of hope's character that I despise but understand completely. I just wish it didn't drag on for too long you know?
@thespectaculargamernerd81142 жыл бұрын
@@TirOrah When Hope questioned him about it before trying to kill him, Snow just completely dropped any facade. He said it himself, all he can do is keep going while admittimg he doesn't know where to start or say when messing up that badly in other's life.
@TirOrah2 жыл бұрын
@@thespectaculargamernerd8114 Yeah! That was a huge moment for him. I was quite shocked I didn't remember that from my first playthrough; it was a great scene.
@mrlost1172 жыл бұрын
same, I was confused as to why the vid creator didnt even touch that
@rinny21312 жыл бұрын
"This game isn't perfect but I sure did like it" sums up my views as well. This was a REALLY good video and reminded me why I liked XIII so much and had frustrations with it too. It also tells me that it's time for a xiii replay at soon! ...After Endwalker... Maybe...
@rabidhellhound97142 жыл бұрын
The video was great. The game was god awful. If they had explained the backstory and the plot as simply and gradually as this author, then it could forgive them the unimmaginative landscapes and enjoy it. But instead, the game devs did an absolutely shit job explaining ANYTHING in their game until the very, very, VERY end. Meaning that basically everything you did was a question of "why the hell...?" and simply just taken as "Stuff to do so you don't die." Not "Here's a creative reveal of a millenia long battle between gods, using humanity as puppets." If the writter of this video wants to help SquareEnix get their heads out of their asses and write a game that FINALLY makes any goddamned sense after 20 years, I'd be happy to support him. Because he can break things down in a meaningful way that SE just hasn't been able to do in FF for way too damn long.
@tylersmith98682 жыл бұрын
How did you like this game in any way shape or form
@Scantronacon2 жыл бұрын
But that end game is fire to me as a jrpg fan, the ceith stones that lead to those trials you do fighting monsters at different tiers is my favorite part and the "will to fight" is a effin amazing song!! Such an amazing ost and lets go moments, my top 5 easily!!! and not even talk farming for a certain item fighting a certain monster over and over but what a game changer once you understand it, I love the grind this has
@luizy67012 жыл бұрын
@@rabidhellhound9714 This comment is so funny, because I find out that, in Japan, a couple's months before the releasing of the game, Square Enix published a novel detailing the thirteen days before the game starts, and they did the same for the next two games lol. It was until 2017 that the novels got a official translation.
@luizy67012 жыл бұрын
@@tylersmith9868 Because she's not you, fella. People like different things, you know?
@jelyse14 Жыл бұрын
38:44 Look up info on the rocky localization of Xenogears in pre-1998. One guy, Richard Honeywood, took up the job bc everyone else was too intimidated by the source material, he was even put in charge of *coding it into the game* and I believe even BURNING DISCS HIMSELF. It just about killed him, he did an amazing job for it being a one-man show, and he even influenced aspects of the game/story/names- English and Japanese version- and he went on to influence for the better how localizations were handled at Squaresoft. No more thrown-together, slapdash localizations like they did for FFVII to get some extra cash on the side from the western market.
@niclasneziru1854 Жыл бұрын
What an absolute legend, he and Woolsey were truly the forefathers of JRPGs' genesis into the western world
@maxis2k Жыл бұрын
"and he went on to influence for the better how localizations were handled at Squaresoft." God no. He's the reason almost all of their games are now infested with hammy accents and massive alterations. Because of what he did on Chrono Cross and Dragon Quest. Other Square games he didn't work on had fine translations. Translations would have improved over FF7 given the rising success of the games. But he is an example of going too far into the other direction. Altering characters and the plot just on his own whims. He literally added accents to Chrono Cross and Dragon Quest VIII just because he was "tired of American accents." That's his own words. Not because it would improve the characters or story. Not because the original creator envisioned those dialects (Yuji Horii has gone on record saying he doesn't like it). Just because he personally wanted to do something different. And that's the worst thing you can do as a localizer.
@homerp.hendelbergenheinzel6649 Жыл бұрын
Tbf, until VII the money made from JRPGs in western markets were pretty much negligible. I know VII had that big marketing campaign going with being released on PS, but I'm pretty sure it's success in the western hemisphere blew everyone's mind and came unexpected. If they had some kind of quality management in the localisation and expected the success they wouldn't have allowed the chappy localisation that VII came to be. Also I'm pretty sure that at this time game designers were not aware of the dangers that came with localisations. Studio Ghibli had to make the same experience with Nausicäa and its original release in the US, when the whole movie was butchered by the company that translated ( and cutted) the movie TO DEATH. Ghibli were passed as fuck and from that on went not to bring their movies to the west anymore, until they eventually did, but they had their hands on every aspect of the translation ever since then.
@lobstrosity7163 Жыл бұрын
You could say he got... Mad skillz!
@-Gax-5 ай бұрын
@@homerp.hendelbergenheinzel6649 I wouldn't call Pokemon Red and Blue negligible money
@MinerDiner Жыл бұрын
While I also disagree with "the game only gets better 20 hours in", when I first got to Pulse and "The Archylte Steppe" track kicked in, man I was frickin _BLOWN_ away. That is one of my favourite tracks in any game to this day, even though I only first played 13 a couple years ago. It fits the openness of the area so well, and I was just like "wow I like this game even more now". I cannot fully put into words the feeling I felt when I heard that track stepping into Pulse for the very first time. It was magical and breathtaking to take in
@MASJYT6 ай бұрын
Why? The Archylte steppe theme is yet another rearranged version of the main theme which by this point you're already tired of hearing. The music is good but they abused that leitmotif way too much.
@MinerDiner6 ай бұрын
@@MASJYT it just hit different to me okay?
@ThorsShadow4 ай бұрын
@@MASJYT People are allowed to like things without having to explain themselves to everyone. Sometimes, there aren't any reasons for liking something, you just do. Get off your high horse. You aren't special.
@TheRawrnstuff2 жыл бұрын
As a localization professional, happy to hear some real, actual challenges of localization highlighted. Puns are terrible to localize, but the real challenge is the lack of access to context. Very few lines are great in a vacuum, and with something like localization, the best work in most cases is something you don't actually notice. Usually, when localization gets noticed, it's because of a typo, or a mis-matched context, or something like that. Less often with "omg, this localization is _so_ good I can't even." These days I do more QA, which means I get to take the work of the translators and expand upon that to course-correct any incorrect guesses they've had to take. In Loc QA, I often have access to the entire game, whereas the translators might not even know whether a line they're working on is a piece of dialogue or a tutorial tip. On one hand, I wish the translators were given more context. On the other, I guess them having less context means better job security for me.
@YouTubeCensors Жыл бұрын
This is why I prefer liberal translations. Just give translators something to work with to make it fit better for western audiences instead of trying to adapt japanese sensibilities. Though I guess that would be bad for you.
@TheRawrnstuff Жыл бұрын
@@KZfaqCensors That's actually pretty much what _is_ happening. Localization work is relatively liberal and free-form already - which is also why computer-generated translations often suck so bad. Direct translation is clunky at best) - excluding stuff like certain terms needing a very specific translation. Like system terminology, for example. "Sensibilities" is a minute challenge in localization. That's more a Dev-side thing rather than Loc-side, like deciding to turn blood green or add some "convenient censorship" if necessary.
@Countcordeaux Жыл бұрын
@@KZfaqCensors This was what made Working Designs so good, when they were at their best, though they often laid the cheese on pretty thick.
@KopperNeoman Жыл бұрын
@@TheRawrnstuff Sensibilities can be horrible. Entire plotlines can be sliced out, fundamental aspects of characters can be altered (famous classical examples being making transsexual characters cissexual - contrasting modern examples where the OPPOSITE happens: recently, Trap has become a dirty word.) It's even worse when it effects the original script too. Bridget in Guilty Gear is the most notorious example. He was an escaped abuse victim who was groomed into thinking he was a girl by a superstitious village who saw identical twins as a bad omen. He got into bounty hunting to show how manly he was. The latest Guilty Gear threw that out the window in an era where there are more David Reimers every day and had him finally accept what his village imposes on him. Maybe the publisher wanted a higher ESG rating.
@KopperNeoman Жыл бұрын
@@KZfaqCensors I prefer to have the contrast in cultures not be gatekept by anybody, myself.
@devastatheseeker99672 жыл бұрын
I honestly think 13 is one of the most visually beautiful games out there. Especially for the time it came out.
@davfree9732 Жыл бұрын
Its got a lot in common with X due to its linear level design and few open areas. But the story was disjointed in comparison. Core narrative. Beat Sin. But along the road there are steps to accomplishing that goal and personal quests the group want to complete. Add to that the core group are friends and those that join are not angry angsts ridden mother avengers… X had smaller steps that contributed to the larger journey. XIII gave the player a quest on an implied ticking timer that ran at the speed of plot… everyone talked about it and how bad it was… but the lack of escalating dread failed to hook me. The main narrative wasn’t well interspersed with smaller steps. It was a story that overstayed its welcome.
@andy2069 Жыл бұрын
Its pretty. And terrible. It's not x. X doesn't suck
@davfree9732 Жыл бұрын
@@andy2069 That's the point. X did it better. XIII aped some aspects but failed to bring it together as a cohesive narrative game experience. Tidus being the fish out of water, and thus the players POV character opened the world to the player. In XIII they tried to have a Cloud figure... But failed to compensate for the players. The party can't well talk to one another when they split into three groups after all, and the ticking clock of impending doom just falls by the wayside.
@zae2193 Жыл бұрын
@@davfree9732 I think XIII is good. Even one of my favorites.. However in terms and in the least biast way i can try describe it. It's not like any of the others.. Except for the spells and or enemies you meet in the game. Such as the Behemoths. Story was defenitely interesting for myself personally, but sometimes it drags on. Sometimes even a little cringe. The OSTS they used however is among i'd say the best. Really good soundtrack that doesn't seem to get boring for a long while. The characters are also a nice twist, you can't generally change their class (Like Type 0, each character having a different class / weapons). But the world feels dead. There's not much excitement when it comes to lore exploring. Like you said, talking to your party split into groups. In XIII-2, the ticking clock was weird. Suppose it's for the story, but a lot of newer players would rush it due to that time ticking down, missing out on sides and areas that are hidden. Rating XIII an 8.5 / 10 Rating XIII-2 a 7 / 10.
@joearnold6881 Жыл бұрын
Easy to do when it’s basically just a cutscene and you only have to render a hallway
@one1virtuoso4 ай бұрын
The 7R and 13 comparison kinda blew my mind. I didn't even notice how baked in 13 is to 7R.
@alzaelnext638 Жыл бұрын
The issue with the datalog isn't that it exists, the issue is that a lot of the events of the story, especially the beginning have no impact, meaning, or outright make no sense without it. Yes, these things often get explained later, but not at the points where you actually should be told them. The death of Hopes mother, for instance (in fact that whole intro scene itself), is supposed to have emotional impact but fails utterly because you have no idea who anybody is, what is going on, or what the conflict she died in is. This also makes it impossible to have any sympathy for Hope or his whining about his mother or grudge against Snow. Speaking of, we also have Snow and his wanting to fight the enemy, but no context for the conflict or why he wants to do this. This sort of thing goes on for about the first 10-15 hours of the game with almost no information being given about anything that is actually happening in the story. If you don't notice the datalog or don't read it you have no context for anything that is going on or any of the characters motivations or reasons. Speaking as a professional writer, this is insanely bad storytelling. I honestly couldn't figure out how anyone with any skill looked at this and thought it was good. If you stick it out long enough the story improves once you have the context and the information but the slog to get there is unforgivable. It's especially idiotic because they gave the game a narrator. So they could have easily given some much needed information on what was happening to the audience in the beginning.
@henriknobinder73959 ай бұрын
This. While I like complex stories and contextual storytelling, FFXIII is straight-up obtuse with how its story is told. There is no good reason the story as presented in the game should make this little sense.
@meister45977 ай бұрын
THIS SO MUCH. When XIII haters say you can’t understand the story without the datalogs, they are both right and wrong just like XIII fans who say you don’t need the datalog to understand the story are both right and wrong. It’s not necessarily the datalog that is the issue here, it’s the information within the datalog. You can go through the story without looking at the datalog and understand it, but you are literally insane if you can sit there and tell me your first playthrough before at the very least Vanille and Sazh get captured, you were able to follow the plot 100% without being confused. However it’s also dishonest to say that you need to constantly read the datalog to have any idea what’s going on, because the game does do a decent job at explaining things. The problem is as you said, things are explained waaaaaaaay too late to the point that by the time you get the full picture for said concept, most people have either lost interest or given up fully on the story. FFXIII, despite how much I adore the narrative, is a masterclass on how not to write a story/convey information.
@PhoenixFireZero7 ай бұрын
If you have to do supplemental reading to understand not the worldbuilding but the story, you have fucked-up as a storyteller
@MASJYT6 ай бұрын
On that same note it was a mistake to make Serah the main driving force of the story, an absent character we ultimately don't know or care about. There's a whole universe to explore, and the writers seemed absolutely uninterested in exploring it. 'A utopia floating in the sky governed by god-like beings and populated by humans who don't know cold or hunger because everything has been provided to them since birth, paranoid and fearful of the world below which they perceive as hell'. I mean give that premise to a competent writer and they could do WONDERS with it. Instead we got endless meandering and Snow screaming SERAAAAH!!! for 45 hours.
@PhoenixFireZero4 ай бұрын
@@MASJYT a clear goal should have been presented quite early on. FFVI didn't have this problem: evil empire, probably gotta thwack it at some point. More stuff branches from that. Due to the nature of the brands the main characters in XIII had, side questing wasn't a practical inclusion, and yet they still pissed about.
@GrubKiller4362 жыл бұрын
I never thought seeing Final Fantasy XIII again after such a long time would make me feel so nostalgic. I already liked it before, but seeing it with almost fresh eyes is a nice new feeling. The graphics of the game and its aesthetics are damn good.
@sunflowers_sarah2 жыл бұрын
I really liked how they transitioned from Cocoon to Pulse in terms of gameplay; it reminded me of how Cocoon was very restrictive to its people and societh whereas Pulse was "wild" and had less 'government intervention'--the changes in gameplay helped to heighten those differences in what I would say is a positive way.
@Jadae2 жыл бұрын
The world was great. The songs were nice. The characters, except Snow, were pretty good. The lack of magic and the summons were absolutely dreadful. Soulless. The story was okay except it got a little too other world-catholic-y by the end of FF13-2.
@sentientmeat962 жыл бұрын
I never thought about this correlation. Very neat thought. Thanks for sharing.
@natchu96 Жыл бұрын
@@bm001 I can only assume they meant the worldbuilding and setting lore rather than, well, the actual map that everybody gladly shits on.
@Amaneas6 ай бұрын
I’m in 2 hours and the cinematic style really gives if ff7 remake vibes, which already made me appreciate ff13
@TheGamedawg5 ай бұрын
13 was always one of my favorites to a point where I never quite got the hate. Thanks for diving into it a little, it was pretty insightful. I hope more people come around to this one because it's truly something special!
@GayRiku2 жыл бұрын
I was so hesitant to watch this video because I'm so used to people dunking on this game. FFXIII was my first FF game and the main reason I wanted a new console. I have to admit that I was drawn in by the aesthetics mostly -- I had never seen graphics like that since I had mostly played Nintendo games until that point (and my only console for the first 10 years of my life was a Gameboy Advance SP), and I really liked Lightning and Fang's designs. It really has a special and nostalgic place in my heart, despite how exasperating the flaws are. This was a good, fair, and honest look at the game, which I appreciate a ton! FFXIII got me into JRPGs, which is now my favorite genre of video game. I have to thank it for heightening my appreciation and passion for games as a whole too . I've replayed XIII more than I'd like to admit, and I've sunk so many hours into LR's ng+ so there's definitely some bias on my end, but the premise, world, and characters of FFXIII are just so interesting and appealing to me. There's a lot to like about FFXIII despite everything, but I don't think it's for everyone. I tell my boyfriend all the time - the FFXIII trilogy is... kinda not great, but I love it all the same. Someday I'll get him to play it with me. Sidenote: Sazh's English VA is AMAZING and he provides one of the most natural and genuine vocal performances I've heard across any game or animation. He nailed it. Sidenote part two: The trilogy as a whole has one of the best OSTs, hands down. There's a great mix of emotional music and bangers. The battle themes in XIII-2 are especially crazy! Also it is WILD to me that people think XIII-2 is the best... it's by far the weakest game in the trilogy in my opinion. There are so many things about it that make playing it a chore, and the choices they made with certain characters and plot points really rub me the wrong way. Excited for your XIII-2 video!
@canontheory2 жыл бұрын
xiii-2 and xiii are kinda equal in my book, xiii-2 had more replay value with the monster catching, rare monsters, arena, secret endings and mini games but xiii had the better overall feel, more story, cutscenes and all the ceith missions. xiii-3 LR is the weakest for me but still all 3 of them are some of my favorite games ever. They need to do a remaster one day.
@MrYoshigu2 жыл бұрын
Hi! I had a different experience. "FFXIII Versus was main reason I wanted a new console" T___T Not saying XIII was bad. My first game, or at least I vividly remember was playing FFX at my friends house. That really got me into JRPGs. After watching this video i'd say I missed a lot during my playthru. I put in a decent 100+ hours, killing the big turtles with Fang was my favorite :) But Prior to FF-XIII, a lot of the lore, terms, such as summoner, were explained explicitly during the gameplay. I didn't even realize how much information was in hidden in the menu deep deep in XIII. Explaining all the vocab. This video def gave me a different perspective. I think there are games that work with that type of story telling (Dark Souls), I never realized XIII also tried this. BUT I was SHOCKED that they announced XIII-2 and even more angry when XIII-3 was announced. Lighting Returns XIII-3....I got soooooooooo angry because where was XIII Versus??? What did Square do to Noct? Put him in a box? I assumed "fabula nova crystalis" were suppose to be 3 games, not 3 FF XIII games. But ur right about the music, the battle music was amazing! I would farm all day just for that. I agree, XIII shouldn't have this taboo around it, but I think the fact Square made it 3 times without fully explaining "fabula nova crystalis" just put fuel on the fire
@DavidHutchinson07132 жыл бұрын
@@MrYoshigu The whole idea of the Fabula Nova Crystallis, IMO, had a good line of thinking (thematically connected titles that each do their own take on a common mythology), but the execution was _very_ much botched, in due part thanks to Square Enix having a _lot_ of internal issues in developing XIII, Type-0 and XV. Which I think is a real pity, because I think the idea really could have been improved and refined further, but things went out of control, and the whole idea ended up becoming a stillborn.
@LargeInCharge772 жыл бұрын
Yall thats all nice. But ff 13 is complete garbage written by an idiot. The premise and the characters are horribly written in every conceivable way. There isnt a single good line of dialogue in the game.
@CorranHorn842 жыл бұрын
"Final Fantasy XIII Retrospective Review" by Resonant Arc (2018): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qpmCebakqtiodmw.html
@mypetroxie2 жыл бұрын
Part of the 7.9% "not literally you" and just wanted to say I appreciate your videos! Also, "Due to Vanille having strong pullout game and bailing out at the last second..." had me giggling pretty hard.
@equipbasicsword Жыл бұрын
My issue with XIII was that it wasn't just a hallway (and I remember seeing a screenshot of the first three chapters' maps lined up together showing how linear it was (if I remember correctly)), it was that whilst the visuals were great, it was like walking through an art museum. It was soulless. There was no life. You held forward, the game showed you cool visuals, but you never felt it was alive. There were no people. No towns. No interaction. The few times you ended up in what would have been a town, it was devoid of meaning. Shops and save points were the same thing. That was my biggest issue with XIII and why I dislike it so much.
@DisastrousCake8 ай бұрын
I’m sorry but thinking about an art museum as soulless is crazy 😭 that makes zero sense
@watchmehope65607 ай бұрын
Or u can use it brain and realize he didn't mean it like an actual museum in the real world... But the game itself felt like a dead, dull museum in a virtual space.@@DisastrousCake
@thehevandragon6 ай бұрын
@watchmehope6560 Honestly I caught what OP was doing but it could’ve been worded a bit better. Also don’t play the “brain” card when you couldn’t manage a simple sentence.
@rogerbee123456713 күн бұрын
it’s ok when naughty dog and every other shitty game does it apparently
@Lytane Жыл бұрын
I'm so happy you talked about the music and how hard it slaps!! When people talked about the game back in the day and were putting it down I kept defending it, saying it got better and that the music is one of the best in the series. I like how the different motifs, including the main theme, are reused in different ways and it goes on a journey with you. Changing context and emotion as you go through the world and learn about the characters.
@mrInhinyero2 жыл бұрын
"Open or linear, a game should be designed to complement the format it chooses." Just wanna say, this line made me subscribe. Couldn't agree more.
@FFgamesftw2 жыл бұрын
I personally think a balance is best. I don't want a game with no choice of direction as at that point I am watching an interactive movie however a game that is too open I feel lacks direction or a compelling story. I generally like the approach of "gated exploration" where you complete a story beat and it opens up several directions and options however you don't unlock the entire world all at once. The main story still needs to be the driving focus but at the same time it's nice to be able to take a break from the story and just wander around doing miscellaneous other things. I think the problem with FFXIII is excluding Pulse there was nothing besides the main story. You could grind or you could continue on with the story.
@christopherdonoyan32572 жыл бұрын
The characters are relatable for being failures openly admitting that they don’t really know what their “focus” is but they keep fighting their fate. It’s an existentialists moral imperative and I feel it’s quite relevant to the uncertain times we live in currently. I often listen to the OST at work. Thanks for showing some love to FFXIII.
@LargeInCharge772 жыл бұрын
They would be relatable of any of them even sort of resembled a human being or talk like a normal person that wasn't an idiot
@squallofthedai2 жыл бұрын
@@LargeInCharge77: So many words for crap take, move along.
@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx2 жыл бұрын
Yeah listening to The Promise always calms me down
@dytgyfgyffuh2432 жыл бұрын
I love final fantasy 13 the problem was the development of game
@SyndicateOperative2 жыл бұрын
They were weak.
@CandorianWonder2 ай бұрын
The linearity was literally the point. The entire story repeatedly tells you that no matter what you do you can't really defy your fate. The "single way foward" approach is an implementation and representation that even if you try and fight your fate by taking other paths, they all twist and turn in the same direction. They only succeed in fighting their fight when they make it to Gran Pulse, and then they choose this fate and you'll note the return to cocoon has a more open feel to its maps. All roads still lead to their destiny, but there's more choice and variation. The linearity of part of the story. It's a poignant reflection of something we are repeatedly told and shown: fighting your destiny may just lead you to the fate you tried to fight. This is ALSO the point of 2 and 3, where you literally lose in 2 and Lightnimg Returns spends the entire game explicitly saying that the whole point of the new world is to no longer be tied to fate.
@hcook1023Ай бұрын
Lightning was actually supposed to be more pretty and expressive and Fang was a guy, however once Fang was changed to female they had to "balance" it by making Lightning more stoic
@rsreidjrАй бұрын
That’s cool, I didn’t know that about Light but I did read that Fang was supposed to be Vanille’s love interest/Partner but they wanted to make the team equally Male/Female. They still have a strong love interest between the two however. Where did you hear the info about Light being more Feminine? I would love to read some Info on it. Hope you enjoyed FF13 as I’m on my first play through going through gran pulse on a Chocobo ATM.
@hcook1023Ай бұрын
@@rsreidjr I adored the game when I played. It was years after and I hadn't heard any of the discourse so I was truly a blind player on my first Final Fantasy, however I did see it more as an action adventure than an RPG It was only like 2015 when I borrowed a friend's copy but even then I was stunned how good the game looked, honestly it could still almost pass for modern because it has a more timeless style
@AnotherCody2 жыл бұрын
This was my first Final Fantasy and I was actually massively obsessed. So much so, I read every single excerpt of the datalog, so as you were summarizing the story, I was just nodding my head recalling all that info. Haha I’ve seen a lot of others have this as their first FF and what a frenzy it was to be thrown into the fandom, seeing so many jarring opinions when it came out since I love this game so much. I’m so glad they’re are people like you bringing this game back into a present day discussion with a kinder eye and tons of interesting information! I hope people give it a second chance. Linear isn’t always bad!
@nicogalax2 жыл бұрын
13-2 and LR deserve a chance too
@MilesCW2 жыл бұрын
My condolences for this being your first FF. Obviously the older games were in several regards better, especially the "prime" games VI-IX. After that the Tales of games started massively to improve. At least we got a FF7R/Sequel.
@AnotherCody2 жыл бұрын
@@MilesCW No condolences necessary! If you had read my entire comment, you would have seen that I was absolutely obsessed with the game and praising it. It’s a pretty fun title regardless of predecessors and I’m glad it’s my first entry. It’s not bad.
@ninomontalvo123452 жыл бұрын
I totally agree, minor gripes I had were having to read the datalog to get crucial story info, lack of good dialogue between the characters and making them feel relatable. With that being said, this has one of the best gameplay mechanics in a FF title, up there with FFV and VI for me, I don't think linearity and lack of exploration/deep customization is a huge issue, as long as you have good level design and can engage the player wgich I can see why many people dislike this title, they just don't feel any connection to the characters. Even with the negatives, this is definitely one of the better Final Fantasy games, for those who can appreciate Square Enix attempting to keep each title fresh and distinct. Everyone should formulate their own opinions and not drop this just because of the popular opinion.
@nicogalax2 жыл бұрын
@@ninomontalvo12345 at least u don't have to read any datalog on the next 2 games (just a bit but still)
@DeadwingDork2 жыл бұрын
FFXIII is a weird time capsule of an era where people thought Squeenix could never make another good FF again. In light of VII Remake, it's interesting to see how much that game just improved ideas started by XIII. I played through it a while ago and it's definitely a bit of a misstep, but it's not entirely terrible. I wound up liking most of the characters. The lore is neat. The art design is pretty good. The combat... kinda gets better after 20 hours?
@morriganrenfield82402 жыл бұрын
You didn’t like the combat from the first minute? Cloud is just absurdly fun to me. Especially when he gets parries etc
@TheFrostedfirefly2 жыл бұрын
@@morriganrenfield8240 Cloud wasn't in XIII
@morriganrenfield82402 жыл бұрын
@@TheFrostedfirefly i think i was tired when reading the combat and saw his reference to remake and thought he was talking about it in the latter part of the comment
@dweblinveltz50352 жыл бұрын
Combat gets MUCH better in 13-2.
@ozy6672 жыл бұрын
The "combat" is an auto battler, the "lore" is a confusing senseless mess, why not talk about the level design, which is just a never ending line, by far the worst FF.
@ryuuseiSoul2 жыл бұрын
FFXIII's Paradigm battle system is one of the best JRPG battle systems in history, no cap. And I think it DID innovate the genre. After it was released, there were far more battle systems that had some kind of Auto-Battle option and focusing the gameplay on understanding your characters' roles and strategy instead of the basic turn based battles.
@kesayo Жыл бұрын
I remember thinking, “wow, what a beautiful game.” Then falling asleep during every battle. I couldn’t even finish the game. I think it was the repetitive music combined with the not having to do anything to win battles that put me to sleep.
@YetiCoolBrother2 жыл бұрын
As a SE fan since VII I've always thought you could see a pretty clear trajectory of them iterating on a single idea, culminating in the combat system we ultimately got in VII Remake; that idea being blending "real-time" and traditional turn-based combat, all while looking as flashy as Advent Children. So looking back it really starts with XII and the MMO-ish combat in real time and also the removal of random battles which was a big change at the time. Then you get to XIII and all the thing you discussed in the video, then XV which tried to go full on action & succeeded in alot of ways but failed in others (the biggest offender being holding the button to attack & defend IMO). You take all of the lessons they learned from those 3 entries specifically and you get VII Remake, which still isnt perfect yet but is the best system we've got from them in over a decade. My biggest hope for Remake Part 2 is that now that they've laid a really solid foundation they'll start to look externally for inspiration to improve upon it. For example, I recently played Tales of Arise and felt like while the combat was inferior to VIIR overall there's definitely alot they could learn from it. Even elements of stuff like Bioware's earlier titles could bring alot to table going forward with the Remake. I rambled for a bit but great video & I for one would be interested in those thoughts on the Remake you mentioned towards the end.
@zeroattentiongaming8202 жыл бұрын
I'd say it started with X-2 having the real time system that allowed chaining attacks and performing combos with proper timing. A lot flashier without just being spectacle and feels like an attempt to create a true real time system while remaining somewhat turn based in design but allowing turns to overlap, combo and even interrupt with good timing and strategy. 12 was the major departure but X-2 was a major evolution on ATB style gameplay in a way that the Stagger mechanics of the 13 trilogy and 7R, as well as the latter's fully real time combat further developed.
@far_ron2 жыл бұрын
Something that's really interesting to me is how the developers actually listened to the feedback XIII got and implemented changes in its sequels to appease people. But for me, I ended up liking the games less for it - and while I did enjoy Lightning Returns, by the time I played it I completely lost interest in the series and thought that the charm and quirks that made the first game so great were gone. I think that people's criticisms of XIII (a lot of which are valid, yes) ultimately led the series into becoming something that lacked the core elements of why XIII fans fell in love with the game in the first place. I completely agree that a lot of hate the game got was heavily influenced by the timing of its release and the expectations established from the traditions of the FF series. XIII was my first FF game and I knew nothing about the series when playing it, so I ended up in the unique position to judge it as a standalone experience without any expectations ruining my perception of it. It's just unfortunate that not many people at the time were in the same position to appreciate XIII for what it was as a standalone experience. I'm just happy that as time passed, more and more people are going back to XIII without the baggage of expectations they bring with them, and are appreciating everything that makes the game so special.
@far_ron2 жыл бұрын
And I loved FFXIII-2 A LOT (almost as much as the first) and I welcomed all of the changes made to it with open arms. However, I definitely remember feeling disappointed that some of the charm the game had was lost and that it was trying to move closer to appealing to a different kind of audience that wasn't me - an audience that didn't fully appreciate the first game. I don't know how to explain it, but XIII-2 to me felt like it was fighting with itself to become a game that it wasn't. It was obvious the developers knew how disappointed a lot of fans were with XIII, so they were trying extra hard to not replicate those same "mistakes" with its sequels, but by doing so they moved further away from the vision they had with the first game. XIII-2 is still a game I adore though, and I can't wait to hear your thoughts about it!
@TGBurgerGaming Жыл бұрын
I didn't even bother with Lightning returns after 13-2 13-2 ruined everything and anyone who was there att remembers it being the train wreck it was that ruined its own story.
@YouTubeCensors Жыл бұрын
Funny 13-2 to me is a phenomenal FF and could easily place it top 3 if I bumped FFX out and I might do that honestly. 13 and 13-3 on the other I disliked and hated respectively
@NeverAskedtobeMade13903 ай бұрын
This game will always have a special place in my heart. It was the first final fantasy I played all the way through, it got me through some dark times during college, and I got to see a character have my dead name with the exact spelling for the first time ever (I hadn’t come out at the time so this was very exciting for me). It breaks my heart that we will most likely never see a remaster of this for later consoles. I had to se) my ps3 in order to afford a ps4 to keep up with the new games and I really miss playing ff13 so much.
@Truekingr611 ай бұрын
The most amazing moment was whenever I was changing paradigms like nothing. Adjusting to every battle. Like oh my God the game is GLORIOUS AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH
@ThatBeingCed2 жыл бұрын
Lightning's real first name is Éclair in Japanese but Claire in english. Éclair is also Lightning in French.
@shawnnbits Жыл бұрын
Thats dumb
@Samlem142 жыл бұрын
Having just finished 13, this was the exact video I needed. What a masterfully written and edited video. So excited to binge watch the rest of your videos!!! Keep up the amazing work.
@kadian2992 жыл бұрын
This is one of the few games I actually own music from. I’ve played all but the first 3 ffs and I never really thought this was a sub-par entry in the series. Defiantly top five for me. The similarities you draw between 13 and 7 remake are spot on and you do a really good job detailing the “DNA” of the two games. You did a great job in this video.
@kevinwilley41803 ай бұрын
This video has been sitting in my "Watch later list" a long time. I recently finished Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy XIII-2 after years of on and off play.
@beechteeth2 жыл бұрын
"A trilogy made up of thirteen games" Kingdom Hearts.
@Mstrskeletor892 жыл бұрын
god i wish there were 13 KH games atleasat 13 before 3 came out and was a huge disappointment they did the same thing to KH 3 as they did to 15 spent too much money making it look good and not enough making it play good
@heyyo37252 жыл бұрын
I loved the paradigm shifting system. Loved Lightning as a character. *Absolutely* loved the music. Damn it, I loved the game.
@KyngD4692 жыл бұрын
Yeah I liked it alot too. All 3 of them.
@komujimaru2 жыл бұрын
isn't that a perfect game ? i loved all chars bar hope and vanile
@Avaelendil2 жыл бұрын
I liked most stuff about XIII besides the linearity. It really killed my enjoyment of the story to need to run up and down a skinny path farming exp and mats for 2 hours because the next area was a boss and I had no way to go back and farm other areas. And after playing 7 remake, I'm really hoping that this dev team doesn't completely screw it up in part 2.
@heritage1062 жыл бұрын
There is no need to farm at all prior to chapter 11. With a minor exception of shrouds, if you want them.
@yisyvonne Жыл бұрын
@@heritage106 same I beat bosses fine just going thru no backtracking
@Riku-Leela Жыл бұрын
What is funny for me is that I was like that for years but after playing so many amazing open world games I am actually fine with a fully linear game nowadays to mix it up a bit
@GeorgeZimmermen Жыл бұрын
They will
@wuffymcwuff Жыл бұрын
@@Riku-Leela it's not like there's nothing in between FF13's level of linearity and open world. you can have a game that's not open world but still allows you to explore a bit off the beaten path, backtrack, etc.
@thomasbrereton5858 Жыл бұрын
I loved this installment of final fantasy. The story and characters really hit home with me. I'll almost always get to a point where I start skipping dialogue or trying to make it advance faster. I never did that in FF13. The soundtrack is absolutely beautiful, and like you said, I really liked the paradigm system. If you are not fluid and dynamic with it, you'll get stomped. As I get older, I begin to dislilke battle systems where you have to micromanage literally everything. I thought this was fun that you could almost program your tactics before going into battle, use those different tactics to put you in advantageous situations, and then change it up to unload on stagger. They'll probably never do a remaster let alone remake, but I'd really like to play this again on ps5.
@brammclaughlin57182 жыл бұрын
XIII was my first final fantasy, and so I've always held it fondly. It's been so sad to see it be so panned throughout the community, so I'm so glad to see this video and I hope it marks a cultural shift for the fandom. Thank you for an awesome video and I loved the analysis of one of my favorite games!
@anarche81272 жыл бұрын
It was my first ff too and it definitely gets so much more hate than it deserves. It's incredibly fun, and I will admit it's not very good final fantasy, but it's a damn good jrpg
@BleedForTheWorld2 жыл бұрын
We call that baby's first FF. Nothing is immune to criticism so you gotta deal with that. If you enjoyed it, trust me, more power to you. These new approaches for broader audiences shows me that capitalism is at framework here and I do loathe it.
@Gabestoic2 жыл бұрын
The sad thing is xiii being your first ff experience. No hate for the game but it just was lacking many things the franchise was known for. And the battle system felt so restrictive at times. The fact that you have these beautiful enviroments, and you can't explore but a couple hallways. The amount of cutscenes was too much for a ff game too. No overworld map, the "main character in battle dies and you lose". The game world kinda opens up really late. At least the graphics were great. Just not the direction every ff fan expected after years and years of development.
@Athenral2 жыл бұрын
I've always said the combat and sound design were top tier in this game. I still believe that. I will always love FFXIII for those two reasons alone. My only complaints about this game, honestly, have to do with the writing. Man, they really botched a great premise. Oh, and the shallow worldbuilding didn't help.
@rem91422 жыл бұрын
Your complaints on the writing, yes yes yes I agree! I like this game, and on occasion really really *really* like this game. But the writing is what keeps me from loving it tbh. And I didnt think that would bother me, and at first it didnt. But fans that loved the story and felt it was genuinely brilliant oddly enough helped me realize and accept that I just couldn't see whatever they were seeing. Imo, I dont think its that bad (a decade later). Does it deserve a 2nd chance? I'd say so, in the form of a port or remaster. Some fans would love a remake to be that 2nd chance, and I'd be up for that, but I feel like a remake done well would in a way end up validating people's blind hatred of the og game. Cause then in their mind its finally fixing a terrible game, and simultaneously rendering said original game that was terrible worth playing even less. If any of that made sense.
@jakelawrence66182 жыл бұрын
i wouldn't even say that the premises and story is actually good, but the pacing is really bad
@kevinvu54322 жыл бұрын
Personally found gameplay boring
@TheHappyCatsTail2 жыл бұрын
the premise and the story itself is actually S tier IMO, its just that..... they absolutely fucked it up when it comes to the pacing and the finer details and the absolute dumpster fire of a localization. ALOT of the problems people have with the story, is actually a problem they have with the localization without them realizing it.
@OathOblivio2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHappyCatsTail so you say it's better in Japanese? Have you played it and understood it in Japanese? You're right things can get lost in translation when moving between JP and ENG, or whatever language it was localized to, so it's definitely possibility. But I personally doubt it was the case.
@libernihilus5 ай бұрын
i can't believe this game came out 15 years ago.
@williamoverton7775 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact the logo on the title is based on a famous photograph from Japan depicting an orb weaver spider eating a bird. This photo was also a tremendous inspiration for the artwork of yoshitaka amano in general.
@kenzie21912 жыл бұрын
I’m thankful that XIII is receiving some recognition at this point, fuck it, when I was 12 this game was my jam. TO THIS DAY the game remains an inspiration to me when I do 3D model work. The game is great and the biggest issue is that it diverted from FF too much, which I’m fine with personally! I’d rather FF experiment than just do the same thing every game like it was at the time. I loved XIII because it wasn’t XII or X. It felt like an entirely new game. Also the character designs are peak over the top JRPG aesthetic. I will fight over this.
@nicogalax2 жыл бұрын
The whole trilogy is peak ff to me, especially the ending of LR, that ending screams ff
@kenzie21912 жыл бұрын
@@nicogalax it’s so cheesy and over the top to kill god with a sword made from your friends souls I don’t know why people hated it then I fucking love it
@nicogalax2 жыл бұрын
@@kenzie2191 ofc, the whole of humanity was on that fight xd epic
@robinsonsonic2 жыл бұрын
This is a very well-done breakdown and retrospective of XIII. I remember being hyped as hell for it after playing X and XII, which were my first tastes of the franchise from the gaming perspective. I had seen Advent Children and heard the legacy of VII, fell in love with Cloud and Sephiroth like almost everyone else, but hadn't had the chance to try it. The closest experience I had gotten was through Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2. XII was, and still is, my favorite still to this day, but XIII will always have a soft spot in my heart. I didn't love it, but I really enjoyed my time with it, and the music will always be on my playlist, especially Blinded by Light. I will not speak of that nightmare trophy list, and it's BS requirements that prevented me from getting the Platinum, but I had a great time when I played through a few times. This was a very entertaining watch and succinctly and clearly explained your stance on the game. Definitely subbing to your channel! 🤙🏽
@eacaraxe2 жыл бұрын
The missing link between FF13, its design and reputation, and FF7R in my opinion wasn't mentioned in the video. The PS3 tech demo came out, cementing the idea of a seventh-gen remake in people's minds...then six months later, Advent Children came out. That gave everyone the expectation of flashy, high-octane, action/RPG combat inspired by character action games moving forward, and Squeenix clearly felt the pressure to meet that expectation. Motomu Toriyama himself said Advent Children was the standard for FF13's combat system. It was something Squeenix leaned into hard to generate publicity and hype for FF13 -- the demo for 13 came with the Advent Children Complete DVD.
@sneakyskunk1 Жыл бұрын
My biggest problem with FF 13 is that I didn't get to live in the world I was being asked to save. FF 13 seemed like an attempt to emulate some of the story telling techniques of BIoware. FF 13 has the data log(something both DA/ME had), and it does a fine job of fleshing out the narrative. The difference between DA/ME and FF 13 is that the previously mentioned games(to varying degrees over multiple sequels) typically provided ample opportunities to experience the worlds you were adventuring in. FF 13 does not really do that(something that sets it apart from nearly all prior entries in the series). I understand the idea that a group of fugitives wouldn't have time to do some leisurely shopping at the local bazaar or go riding on a Ferris Wheel at the visiting fun fair. That said there was nothing stopping Lightning and friends from sneaking around and using disguises. There had to have been some way to allow the characters(and so by extension me) to be citizens of their world. FF 13 also felt relentlessly grindy to me, as if the game designers borrowed that element of gameplay from MMORPGs in an attempt to pad out playtime. That mechanic certainly does have its supporters(and it could be argued is an essential aspect of MMORPGs), though it usually leaves me flat. This argument could be made against all FF games, though 13 felt as if it had this grind to a far greater degree than any previous entry to me. Finally, a few boss fights felt to me less like cleverly employing strategies to overcome powerful bosses and more like a war of attrition. In several cases, I felt as if I only achieved victory thorough a combination of brute force and dumb luck. I didn't hate FF 13, but every single fan of the franchise has their least favorite entry. Thirteen was mine. Having said all that I also acknowledge that everyone has their first FF and it sometimes ends up being their favorite For some this game will be that. I would never presume to tell anyone they are wrong for having that opinion. There is nothing wrong with that opinion and only a real jerk would insist you were wrong for having it. I refuse to be that jerk. If you somehow are still reading this, I wish I could give you a cookie.
@DemethVLK2 жыл бұрын
My memories of XIII are one of the best of my 360 era. The music, the combat, lightning... Despite its flaws it let a brand on me. Literally, as I've been tattooed with Lightning's brand on my arm. Not because of the game's quality but because of the brand it left on me as a child.
@NoonDragoon2 жыл бұрын
This wasn’t my first Final Fantasy, but it was and has always been one of my favorites. Maybe it’s because I played it at a formative time in my life, but the game and it’s characters have stuck with me for quite a while. So I will always lap up more content discussing this game!
@AngleFamilyFun2 жыл бұрын
I agree! I'm on a third play through, first time in 5 years I've played it, and I am playing it the most thorough than ever before. I loved this game when it came out, and I love it even more now! Graphically and musically it still holds up to modern consoles.
@ChrisJones-xd1re Жыл бұрын
It's not a change in writers. The rebels always have to be blamed for their militancy, and sometimes beat themselves up for it. FF7 calling Avalanche "terrorists" when they were clearly saboteurs, Snow and Barrett (and Tifa in the remake) agonizing about the wrong they've done. And the converse, where Lalouch's vaunted big brain is unable to figure out to bomb buildings when they are empty, at night, and so everyone in Codename Geass paces around muttering, "but at what cost?"
@xMrShadow5 ай бұрын
Played this trilogy as it released and enjoyed it. I’ve been wanting to go back to it again for the longest time.
@Olempis2 жыл бұрын
You didn't have to use auto-battle on combat. Every battle you could select your abilities only once and then you could ''repeat'' those same actions. Its badly hidden and wasn't mentioned anywhere in the game, but it was WAY more useful than auto-battle. I remember discovering that by accident. Probably one of the reasons why I liked the game a bit more among others.
@edwardnowakowski5990 Жыл бұрын
You could repeat them?!?!?!? I always felt like it wasn’t worth it to do anything other than auto battle because it’d waste too much ATB to curate your attacks every term You my friend gave blown my mind
@FlakeyCakes Жыл бұрын
I got stuck on Barthandelus because of this lmao, but I watched HCBailly (classic JRPG youtuber) and in the first episode he explained this exact mechanic and I was finally able to beat the game.
@roxasreturns2183 Жыл бұрын
I played the whole game without knowing this lol
@malomodo Жыл бұрын
That's been a trick ever since the ATB gauge. Set cursor to "memory" and just hold down x. Maybe even before that.
@coldchillin8382 Жыл бұрын
Thought this was self explanatory. Didn’t know there were people who didn’t know this.
@Dahras12 жыл бұрын
I work in game development, and I almost spit out my drink when you said they had 180 artists for a team of just over 200. Like, what the hell? It isn't uncommon for the art staff including animators to be up to 50% of staff but, like 90%? What makes that so absurd is that art needs are a function of planned content, and content is created by designers. If your artist to designer ratio is that skewed, it points to a team that's overpolishing too little game.
@kamii_9992 жыл бұрын
That's probably why this game was such a visual masterpiece.
@arkhamsrazor70752 жыл бұрын
@@kamii_999 That's funny.
@MultiHeartrock2 ай бұрын
Came to your video late through Twitter, and I'm so glad I did. I'm a 13 apologist (it was my firstish FF game ever) and I still just remember being so blown away by the story, the cinematics, the music, the character development, the aesthetics. Thank you for giving an honest and just retrospective.
@klondikelegitski6754 ай бұрын
I still remember my process for killing my first few Adamantoise(Long Gui?) kills in this game. I started with the Vanille Death spam, then upgraded to Sazh Blitz spam, then finally got strong enough to fight them legit. Good times
@KatsuImagitian2 жыл бұрын
I'll always appreciate the FFXIII crew, each character grabbed my interest and I liked the theme of finding hope in what is truly a hopeless situation for them as L'cie. They all had to find a reason to keep fighting and grew a lot throughout the story focused game. Lightning learning to open up and be vulnerable to others besides Serah. Snow the heart of the group whose optimism pushed them forward even at his lowest where he admits he knows it's all bark but still wants to fight with something to believe. Sazh to not be so pessimistic and even an old guy like him can keep up if he keeps on fighting the good fight. Hope getting more self confidence to stand up for himself. Vanille not running from her problems anymore and facing the consequences head on. Last, Fang learning that she's not alone, the sole protector of Vanille with the world against her. They became such a tight knit group of friends.
@kevynlevi98942 жыл бұрын
"Its not a question of can or cant". I like this dialogue in this game.
@tylersmith98682 жыл бұрын
Lol 🤣
@ispartacus13372 жыл бұрын
Great opinions here. They were some of my favorite across the board characters. When most FF have only a few characters that I liked.
@wjd231042 жыл бұрын
" I liked the theme of finding hope in what is truly a hopeless situation for them as L'cie." They suicide bombed Cocoon...They blindly and stupidly decided to do something, that would get everyone killed (after being repeatedly told that this was the case) and then...the writers decided that they saved everyone.
@KatsuImagitian2 жыл бұрын
@@wjd23104 I think you forgot the faction that was lead by Cid Raines team that was earlier stopped from killing Orphan and told to work with Psicom and Guardian Corp to evacuate the citizens off Cocoon and onto Pulse. Lightning's group got the go ahead so that Falcie could never interfere with them again. The only contrivance was the Etro deal at the end where they were freed from the crystallization.
@AnthonyH03952 жыл бұрын
Final Fantasy XIII is honestly my favorite game of all time. The lore was pretty solid, which is something that I really look for and love in a game. The music (like the video says) is fantastic. And honestly, the fact that all the characters are flawed, but grow and are still flawed after growing feels comforting. And don't get me started on Oerba.
@adamH.12 жыл бұрын
Tell me something about Oerba
@AnthonyH03952 жыл бұрын
@@adamH.1 like the video said, it does a lot of visual story telling of what Pulse was like centuries ago. Additionally the build up to it was amazingly heartbreaking. You hear how beautiful Oerba is and your first glimpse of it is from afar, covered in snowlike crystal dust. You felt how Vanille and Fang felt in that moment. And the music in Oerba is perfect. It encapsulates the overall air of Oerba being a quiet ghostown overtaken by C'ieth that were once the inhabitants. There's no battle music, just Dust to Dust playing in the background. And the lyrics for it are perfect.
@Kerry95ify2 жыл бұрын
Well said. I couldn't agree more about your takes. Its my favorite game ever too.
@anarche81272 жыл бұрын
Omg I've literally never seen anyone who's favourite game is final fantasy 13
@adamH.12 жыл бұрын
@@anarche8127 well, newsflash, FF13 is my all time favorite game too
@yayco1232 жыл бұрын
Final fantasy XIII will always have a special place for me. I didn't even owned the game. During high-school, a friend had a copy that came with his Xbox 360 and he didn't like jrpg so i asked if I could borrow it as I was a fan of those and had never gotten the chance to play a final fantasy game. FFXIII was my first FF and I had no prior background about this specific entry. I not only played it in its entirety but used a guide mid-way to get 100% completion, and I only failed because at that point I had already sold 2 of the unique elemental rings and, later, I wasn't able to kill the last optional boss with that 1% insta-kill spell Vanille has after days of being fighting it. One day, I just had to return the game and it left such an impact on me that I want to play every game in the franchise. My biggest criticism is the inexplicable suicidal tendency characters on active medic role have to get physical with the enemy/bosses, I would have to change them mid fight to another role just to make them run out of the way of aoe attacks, before returning to medic and watch them slowly walk their way to kiss the enemy feet, before they died from aoe and I was out of Phoenix feathers. I love this game, I love this franchise and I hope I get to, not only replay this on pc, but also play the so hated sequels in the future :)
@seanduncan93102 жыл бұрын
Man I love your final fantasy videos especially the ones I still to this day haven’t been able to finish yet, 13 and 15, and I’ve tried. I don’t dislike them at all, but no matter how many times I try, I just can’t keep going. It’s nice being able to see someone else’s input who has been through the rest to get a fresh take.
@FinalFantasyXDen-br4toАй бұрын
In my opinion, X was the last great FF game. 12 was ok, but a13, 13-2, and 15 were pretty crappy. I didn't play 16 or the 7 remakes
@ZacharyShow2 жыл бұрын
5 mins in and I understand the plot more than I did after playing this game for 40 hours.
@shawnnbits Жыл бұрын
Sad.
@icesword77 Жыл бұрын
I did not realize it even had forty hours of gameplay.
@Aichi1138 Жыл бұрын
@@icesword77 35 hours of cutscenes/Walking Sim, 5 hours of gameplay
@ZacharyShow Жыл бұрын
@@icesword77 So I probably spent hours grinding before the end just to prepare for the boss fight because I didn't do that in FFX and regretted it
@Aichi1138 Жыл бұрын
@FoxMcCloud64 you might want to look up what that means. I did not replace the argument of game length. And even if It is somehow a strawman, Is FF13 the kind of game worthy of defending semantics over?
@sifthegreat45702 жыл бұрын
The combat system is one of my favorites in final fantasy. Its fun and you feel like you are running a well oiled machine. It hums when you know how to manage paradigms
@Kaefer19732 жыл бұрын
I prefer the true turn based FFX system but the FFXIII system is at least better than the hybrid systems of the majority of the series.
@nolimitzgw28322 жыл бұрын
The combat is the diamond among the mediocrity that plagues this game. Linearity and pacing being the big turds that make this such a borefest and candidate for worst entry in the series.
@Mstrskeletor892 жыл бұрын
@@nolimitzgw2832 still a better game than 15 though aleat it had the heart 15 ONLY looked good the story was trash and the gameplay sucked ass they spent so much money paying designer clothes companies to design outfits for their shitty characters that they shouldve just spent on making the combat feel like you were just hitting the exact same button over and over and over again there was absolutely 0 strategy to play 15 just hack and slash
@nolimitzgw28322 жыл бұрын
@@Mstrskeletor89 meh 15 was stuck in development hell. Still churned out a decent showing combat was simplistic but fun with an annoying cast. 13 cast is just straight up anime/kdrama trash character tropes. The coming of age story is washed up and only works when you create interesting characters and almost every single one in that game missed the mark.
@Kaefer19732 жыл бұрын
@MVPugsley Meh, sure FF XV had a needlessly convoluted plot, boring characters, cringy character designs and a tedious combat system. But at least everything fit well together. No good or interesting aspects that seemed out of place and disturbed the whole picture.
@wolfdyne Жыл бұрын
As someone who missed the whole "Final Fantasy = Best RPG" hype altogether, I've been trying to find a way to experience that today. I've tried a handful of them and the only one so far to stick has been 13. It has it (MANY) problems but i think is a perfectly enjoyable game that suffered from a lot of extraneous factors as to how it was received.
@conordyer2307 Жыл бұрын
Ff12, and 6 are amazing, 7 and 9 are close behind....then try ff14 mmo as its a great game to sink time into, great story, interacting with people, doing side quests , play mini games at tge golden saucer, raids and dungeons, and after 100s of hours when you run out of things you want to do , leave it and come back when there are updates ...it's awesome.
@Talsbynians Жыл бұрын
The reason why people are alright with FFX’s linearity is because the pacing of the game allows for the maps to slip by unnoticed to the player. throughout the game, you travel between towns, split side paths, mini games and side quests, and puzzles to break up the monotony. XIII’s linearity fails because there are no diversions. Nothing happens but walk forward and battle. Cutscenes and story beats happen, but those aren’t particularly a variety of gameplay. It’s an over exaggeration to say XIII’s maps are corridors, sure, but the feeling of playing the game evokes the feeling of being ushered along to the next story beat.
@digital66942 жыл бұрын
The "most of you are literally me" really got me. Thanks for the the kick ass content! Also, Yes, Battle Chasers is hot fire.
@delusifer10172 жыл бұрын
I had only heard about how poorly received this game was, so thank you for giving an in-depth look into FF13, what the game is about, and how different circumstances affected it's perception. This video was very well made I can tell how passionate you are about the topic.
@supergamenchillbros.66432 жыл бұрын
I didn't realize it was so poorly received until now. I just enjoyed the game for what it was.
@dytgyfgyffuh2432 жыл бұрын
Yes final fantasy 13 is good the problem was the development of thr game
@MegaMagicalMegan Жыл бұрын
Thanks for letting us feel like we’re playing one of my favorite games for an hour whenever we watch this video 💖
@darksparda4 Жыл бұрын
Honestly the 13 series is my favorite FF entry and probably one of my favorite games of all time. I think it's been criminally underrated with too much emphasis being placed on it being linear rather than tight, well designed experience.
@Joshuaraymalan2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciated the FF7 Remake comparisons. The battle mechanics of that game always felt like a positive evolution of FF13s mechanics to me, and now I know why.
@darrensucksatgames Жыл бұрын
100%. I’ve been telling my gaming buddy the same thing. 13 lended so much to FF7 but felt like that’s what they were always going for but didn’t know quite how yet.
@ubergamer2010 Жыл бұрын
110%. They hadn't yet figured out the perfect mix of real time action/the ATB system/turn based combat. Remake is about 90% of the way there, I think Crisis Core Reunion and FF7 Rebirth are gonna have damn near perfect systems.
@gaspenpayne6755 Жыл бұрын
If you played FF7 Crisis Core this is nothing new.
@nickcarballo6039 Жыл бұрын
@@gaspenpayne6755 crisis core remaster was kind of a disappointment. Basically nothing changed from a ten year old game definitely something to pick up on a sale tho
@gaspenpayne6755 Жыл бұрын
@@nickcarballo6039 I was talking about the combat system not the overall game, the combat system of FF7R is nothing new if you played Crisis Core.
@iqjump1232 жыл бұрын
Ff13 was surprisingly one of the ff games that I ended up finishing. I do remember the environment and the music was what kept me going. I ended up not being able to finish ffx13-2 and didn’t even try lightning returns- I would like to eventually hear your analysis on it. Longer is better- my body is ready.
@mindaugasjurevicius57762 жыл бұрын
You could watch ffx13-2 story on youtube from the point where you stopped playing, the game was meh for me too, but I'd really recommend Lightning Returns. It's the most open world one, battles are very different than on the previous titles (for me it's much better, as it requires some reaction time and more skills) different equipment sets give a LOT difference in battles, and the game really makes you feel important as you're a goddess and it really makes you want to save the world. You might feel some pressure because there's a time limit, but it's really enough to do everything, there's no pressure when you know it.
@sirdamned9272 Жыл бұрын
"I'm going to do 13-2 and Lightning Returns as well... but those videos won't come close to the length of this one." This one: 1:02:55 FFXIII-2 Retrospective: 1:01:52 Well... he _technically_ wasn't lying. 😂 Nice video as always.
@JoseTrovoes925 ай бұрын
This gameplay system shines in the later boss fights. Yes it can be boring in the beginning but the same can be said about many other RPG games. It takes time to get things going (maybe a bit too much time) but once you can unleash the full potential of this system it is incredibly fun and satisfying.
@xiiir8384 ай бұрын
Kinda why so many people say XIII-2 is way better
@alexkunka54342 жыл бұрын
Thank you for mentioning the music! I listen to the soundtrack all the time, all the way through. It is some of the best relaxing and action packed of any games OST.
@poppindog29062 жыл бұрын
Great vid man. FF13 was my first final fantasy. I remember being in high school and finding the xbox360 version of the game for like $7 at a game stop. I had always wanted to try a final fantasy game because of the seemingly endless praise they got. I honestly wasn't disappointed. The story, setting, and lore were immensely intriguing. I enjoyed the whole thing (even if it took me way longer than it should've to figure out the paradigm mechanic). Despite all its flaws and shortcomings, this 13 will always have a piece of my heart.
@sketchtheparadigmyork1217 Жыл бұрын
The snow tug of war seems like it’s part of his character. He is ridden with self doubt pretty much all the time, his confidence is a facade. The facade fades in Lightning returns, understandably as people started to live forever and it was herder to hang onto hope.
@SonySteals4 ай бұрын
It must be bad, right? They wouldn’t have made 3 parts of it it was any good, right? You know, like never before in FF history?
@Sepharite2 жыл бұрын
Playing it in 2021 made me appreciate the graphics and pacing. It’s much better than most JRPG I’ve played this year.
@theultimatepololo2 жыл бұрын
WOW, this is one of the best, more in depth analysis I ve ever watch about FF XIII. You truly played this gem with your own thoughts and mind set, it is just one amazing video about a game that was trashed just because circumstances and public opinion. I bought it when it was released 10 years ago, but I didnt play it until last year, free from the absurd criticism it suffered 10 years ago.... and yeah, this game did some things wrong (even the most beloved in the franchise had that) but it is a great JRPG by any standars, it is a love letter to those who discover the franchise with VII and VIII and has one of the best world designs in the saga, great characters, awesome soundtrack and maybe the most dynamic, demanding and fun battle systems ever made in a JRPG. I really hope someday it gets a released for the Nintendo Switch, maybe now that JRPGs are getting back for love in western culture and maybe in a portable system that is more suitable for this kind of games....maybe FF XIII could get a well deserved second chance.
@williamgregg63392 жыл бұрын
I tried really hard to like this game but couldn't.
@gucci.please7 ай бұрын
as someone who was present and following the xiii development cycle for nearly a decade u got the history and the connection to ffvii perfectly, for so long this game was hindered by the expectations ppl set for an entirely different game when in reality it deserved an honest chance to prove itself, regardless if it turned out to be trash
@sonicadv27 Жыл бұрын
As a longtime defender of the XIII trilogy, and especially this one, i still think VII Remake is way better and totally delivered on what people wanted from FF for years, and then some. But this game is seriously underrated and its legacy was severely tarnished by people's narrow understanding of what Final Fantasy should and could be, or even what an RPG should be in general. Give this game a world map and NPCs to talk to and i bet my left nut people would love it, despite those things not actually changing the game that much.
@fableddream34832 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. It examines FFXIII and its development and circumstances objectively and doesn't just trash the game like most other videos of this type. Thank you for making parallels to FFX's structure and pointing out how no one had a problem with FFX's map design and even drawing attention to how FFXIII provided the building blocks for FFVIIRemake. I will confess, I love XIII and it's trilogy. Have been a FF fan since the OG on NES. It is just nice to see someone like you make a thoughtful examination of FFXIII that might actually ger people to truly look at what this game was trying to do (even if it didn't do it perfectly). So, thanks again!
@CutoverMe2 жыл бұрын
I guess im one of the few that actually liked it when it came out and i still love it. 13 is the final fantasy game i’ve played the most :)
@mikemattingly39562 жыл бұрын
I loved the 13 series
@quarreneverett47672 жыл бұрын
cool =]
@julien83152 жыл бұрын
The story was excellent. The graphics were excellent. The gameplay was excellent. My favorite FF (and I’ve done them all). I really thing FF13 was the first case of « someone on Internet didn’t like it so I shouldn’t say otherwise. ». What is ironic though, is that it was criticized because the first half of the game were long corridors, and then came FF7 remake, with nothing except corridors areas, but is considered now a masterpiece.
@mikemattingly39562 жыл бұрын
They need to remake or remaster 13 series
@quarreneverett47672 жыл бұрын
@@mikemattingly3956 nice
@carmushroom5 ай бұрын
Regarding the dev cycle and new engine, it’s worth noting that the PS3 has a strange architecture that is notoriously difficult to develop for. It made it a very powerful system though, which is why fantastic-looking titles like Uncharted 3 and TLOU came out on it later, when devs had mastered its ins and outs. Look up the “cell processor” if you’re interested. Quite a bit of history there.
@robinkomin5 ай бұрын
Man you really make the best final fantasy video on KZfaq! Just watched XV and now half way through this one. But had to drop a comment!
@MichaelJones-rz5sw2 жыл бұрын
TL:DW: Yes XIII was that good. FFXIII came out during the start of the 2010's a time when BioWea had hits like Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 just about came out that had a huge appeal to westerns audience, the Fallout/Elder Scrolls introduced open world exploration which gave the illusion of freedom of choice over traditional RPG games from Japan. Despite getting rave reviews American audiences treated like it was the Star Wars prequal of the franchise. When the FFXIII creator gave a good interview about the naysayers of FXIII people just shrugged his respond off and said he was out of touch. Overall, FXIII was a victim of bad timing and came out during a time when western RPGs like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Fallout, and Elder Scrolls was all over the place.
@cantbehelped2 жыл бұрын
Good work on this, I beat 13 a few years ago purely because I'm on a mission to beat every numbered mainline single player FF game. It certainly wasn't as bad as I remember on day 1, and I think you nailed the reason why. Back then I was coming off of playing 1, 2, 4, 6, 7 and 10 in the decade previous to 13 and it just felt so different and the fandom was scared that 13's hallway/autobattle and other weird systems and design choices were there to stay. I remember thinking 13 was all flashy style and no substance. Funny looking back that in the decade following 13, only 1 other completely original non-MMO mainline FF has even come out (excepting 7R, which I guess you can also include.) I'm glad you said 7R used a lot of the same elements, as soon as I saw the Stagger system in 7R I was happy they took one of the best mechanics from 13 and repurposed it, in some ways making it better. When I beat 13, around 2019 or so, I had already played tons more weird and obscure JRPGs with cryptic designs and far worse battle systems, and I came to realize that on its own merits 13 is just a decent RPG that just happened to bear the name Final Fantasy and couldn't live up to the name.
@nicogalax2 жыл бұрын
13-2 is a must play tho, if u are playing every numbered ff
@anthonydelfino61712 жыл бұрын
Sad thing is, after the auto battle variant that they put into 15, I'm still feeling burned from 13 and not convinced that we won't see more of the same battle system that turned me off in 13 when 16 finally comes out. Also being old school, with 4 and 6 being the first titles I played, I've always been a bit turned off when they go too sci-fi or contemporary with the settings of the games (so I didn't care for 7 or 8 back in the day either) and with 13 and 15 being modern/futuristic that was something that was going to turn off a sizable number of players too, even if others really wanted that setting.
@EastToWestTCG5 ай бұрын
I loved all the previous entries in the series and 13 is one of my favorites. I think it was just different enough to give a new exciting outlook on JRPGs. I loved the paradigm system and never used "auto" mode. I think the combat is a lot more nuanced than people realized.
@malyciousapple2 ай бұрын
Soooooo, at the end of 2009/beginning of 2010 I was a middle schooler who'd been moved (mid-school year) to an entirely different continent, only allowed to take two boxes of stuff and with no place to live lined up. Eventually we ended up in a duplex in a military housing neighborhood and ended up buying a new tv and game console so the fam at least had entertainment if not furniture. We were an Xbox family so we got the new 360, and since I was the closest thing to a gamer in the family, I was allowed to pick the one (1) game to go with it. Since I was familiar with FFX, I chose XIII and even though I never beat it (not actually very *good* at video games and also middle/high schooler 😅) I did replay most of the way through it several times over the years I had it. Basically, I love it and it means a lot to me, and I'm not exactly in Gamer Spaces, so I'm really surprised and kind of bummed that it apparently has this terrible reputation. I think that's a real shame. There were parts I didn't like-the grit-your-teeth-and-suffer way you had to brute your way through 20-minute boss fights sometimes; the crystogen being unlocked in segments via story so grinding was almost pointless-but it was beautiful and I cared about the characters and I loved the lore of it all so much. I confess I never felt the desire to play the sequels because I didn't care for what I learned about what they did to the characters, can't all be X-2 I suppose, but I hope it eventually gets a wave of new players that are willing to enjoy it for what it is rather than hating it for what it's not. (And also, like, no offense to the lovers but I *am* at my best when I'm a hater so I can't say learning this history makes my contrarian self *more* inclined to bother giving VII a try. The *number* of times I tried to continue a convo about video games by talking about playing X and XIII only for them to be derided as the worst of the franchise in favor of VII actually convinced me it's better to just say "No I don't play video games" than deal with that snottiness. That well has been well and truly poisoned for years lol)
@skyserpent142 жыл бұрын
Honestly, Final Fantasy XIII had such a profound effect on me in my teen years and it will always hold a special place in my heart. Before FFVIIR came out, I actually considered FFXIII to be my favorite FF but seeing all the hate made me afraid to admit it for the longest time
@rvfiasco2 жыл бұрын
It's a good game. I think what hurts it the most out of anything is just the fact it was named Final Fantasy.
@mooman10172 жыл бұрын
At the end where he says "if you only finish ten games or so in a year" I'm sitting there like... I play video games all day, but only finish one every other year. It's because I keep replaying old games, that I also haven't finished. I have hundreds upon hundreds of game saves that are halfway through, but I don't finish a lot of games. One thing I do remember and still play is this game ffxiii, I've beaten it three times all the way through, and I've always gone, wait what's the story? The early part is not great, the post game is amazing. Have a wonderful day everyone!
@clayneid2 жыл бұрын
Man, that's relatable - and the new games I get, I can never finish anymore :(.
@Mstrskeletor892 жыл бұрын
Bro i think you have A.D.D. lol i do but i can still finish multiple games in year its getting harder cause games are usually trash now but damn like 10 years ago id finish 10 to 20 games a year
@wiselyxd6443 ай бұрын
FF13 was the game that introduced me to the series and I used to see my dad play this game when i was young, and it was a very eye catching game for me. I got to play it when I was young too, but I got stuck on the boss battle where you fight your first summon boss and I quitted that time. Now, I'd love to play it again when I have the chance, regardless of what others think, I think it'll be a nice nostalgia trip for me
@tacoparade1821 Жыл бұрын
I find it interesting that after 50 minutes you take the stance that FFXIII has not paved the way for the future of Final Fantasy, and that people of the time were just, understandably, worried about if this games gameplay loop/menu/battle systems would continue into the future of Final Fantasy, and interestingly enough the things that FF13 and FF7Re have in common (level-up system, stagger combat vs turn base) are the things I like *least* about FF7Re. Not ragging, great video, lovely points made, just found it interesting that after all this time agreeing with you it seems like my opinion is somehow the exact opposite