Wow I missed that part. Powerful

If you can't say amen, say ouch!

I was stunned to hear that, and even more surprised to see Towanda and Trina agree.

Absolutely!!!

Kweku Adu wow

iesh dunk That maybe true but I just want to throw this in the pot.I can relate to Ms.Evelyn because I’ve been there.Yes,She probably is bitter and I think I know why.Things are different for women now.You young women now don’t look at marriage and having a family nowadays the way it was looked at back back in the day.And add on that Ms.Ev was the First Lady so to speak at the Church.So that compounds how she looked at being married.She was young and pretty much gave her life to her husband and her family.She believed that you take care of your husband and your family and your husband will take care of you.Well,He didn’t do that and he’s a man he’s not perfect.She gave him all those years of her life and he walked away with another woman.Hell,She ain’t 20 no more and she’s left with her children and that’s all she has to show for her life.And he can walk off in the sunset and start a new life.And then you are suppose to deal with him coming around and acting like everything is alright.Thats hard and it’s a lot to ask of someone.See y’all are use to this type of thing.Men having children with women and not being in a relationship.So it’s nothing for people to except this nowadays.But,Back then that wasn’t seen as normal and something you just except(not that it should be ever)Yes,She does at this point need to get over it but she’s stuck in her emotions.

@@kimwright6377 women didn't divorce back then. They believed in marriage. Me Evelyn was probably taught like that.

mama Braxton show's us that divorce isn't easy. Heartbreak can be deep! Men don't just leave woman, they leave the children aswell.Just because divorce alot shouldn't doesn't mean it's easy.

Kim Wright I understand marriage and I have been married for 10 years. My values are somewhat old school. But the break down of their marriage was not in the 50’s, 60’s,70’s, when woman had a rough time acquiring jobs or assistance. They divorced many years ago. They proclaim to be Christians so where is the forgiveness. I understand being embarrassed by being the 1st lady of the church but when do you let go? When do you move on? When does she become strong instead of “acting” strong? To me Ms. E doesn’t portray strength. She portrays hurt, misery and tension. I would be hurt by the betrayal but I would move on for my own sanity

She said it plain. He was her best friend and her first love. And he betrayed her and broke. Her heart. I felt that in my spirit.

JameelahTV I swear everyone got that one family member that makes you just detached from the whole family.😂 Mine is my brother, I didn’t even go to his kid baby shower or birth of his child. Him and my mother were my first bullies.

Yes. I think he and Toni are back to back in age so he's close to her. She knew what he would do and that he was not at the baby christening. She knows her brother.

JameelahTV You Said that I Agree

Hes in the medical field.. he aint trying to interfere with his coins🏃🏾‍♀️🤣

I said the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She hates that she loves them

Hate is a strong word I think that they make it hard for her to love them

@@Hotwingzlover84 hate seems pretty accurate. Hate is the opposite to love. You have to have love for something in order to hate it. They’re two sides of the same coin. The opposite of that would be indifference.

@@masonakamara7556 we can agree to disagree. I respect your opinion.

SOO TRUE!!!

My thoughts exactly!

Good point! I forgot about that

And Tamar called her a wanna be on live AFTER Traci said it hurt her....bitchy ass Tamar

tammy Bondon I always that was so disrespectful.

Why did Tracy allow it?

Arvion Ivey yes

But where was the lie?

Yes! If we have learned anything about her it's she can hold a grudge and she is not so forgiven......"stuck"

You're absolutely right! I've seen that episode! So miss evelyn came prepared!💯

Possibly I forgot all about that

Thats right an in a steady relationship

THIS!!!!

The brother did as well.

@@marieajones2137 ummm NOT STEADY kuzz THAT nigga cheated

Amen Sis

Yes, thank u

Yes, unfortunately the dynamic is like that in my family. And I see how it breaks my adult niece down when dealing with her mom, my older sister. I want her to break that chain and tell her mom she is not going to play by her rules.

They want to be RULERS and not LEADERS.

If i can give this statement a million ❤💗💞💖💕💓 BEST.COMMENT.EVER!!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

Amen

THE TROPICAL RED LADY AKA TAMEEKA WIMBERLY and they be dead wrong and tryna put that cycle off on you no mam they do everything the Bible says backwards meaning they do nothing it says but hold it in their hand in from on Sunday’s

And I DO NOT subscribe to that nonsense.

My co-worker is Korean and she said you never ever talk back or disagree with an elder in her culture. I say let the old folks think they are right and just go live your life. That's what I do

THE TROPICAL RED LADY A.K.A TAMEEKA I agree too!!!

Just because they're family doesn't mean they know everything and they certainly don't always have your best interest in mind, usually dose more damage than good!!!!!

I read it on my Iyanla voice 🤣

@@chancelineamba1807 the vexed voice? Lol

Maybe Traci is just closer to her father because they live in the same state. Traci never left Maryland.

She mentioned being cool with the new wife too

Girl you know that convo was filled with scripture, holy water and laying on of hands lol

Yeah, that is something they won't deal with. Tracy also welcomed The father's second wife years ago. They're some resentment toward Tracy due to that as well.

Sure your right

Facts

Agreed

T S lies, even the producers said it was Vince and NOT Tamar that’s to blame for her being fired

Honey Johnson Facts

Absolutely

Oscar winning performance you say ...jajaja

I was like with all that make up she had on, where were the cry streaks? The fake crying was evident!

right

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 exactly not one damn tear and she still doin tha same shit

I can't even ! I peeped that too. Just so fxcking extra. I can't stand her.

Stacy Robinson I totally agree

he told NO lies

Stacy Robinson I luv when he said when I went to Florida State University and got my degree in Economics they didn't teach me nothin bout bein no therapist BUT..... Oh that is my fave

Yes

He would

Why does Ms. E remind me of Lady Mae from Greenleaf..."I don't need fixing, fix my family" lol

She the main one

Mama Braxton can stew in her anger as long as she chooses to but what shouldn't continue is placing her long term burdens on her adult children who obviously has their own burdens, because of her hatred for their father, some things parents should keep private, l get the hurt I was married, cheated on multiple times and abused, unfortunately it happens it's just the nature of the beast but I left, eventually forgave him moved on I'm free, the best revenge is forgiveness and living well in peace

Girl, tell the truth and shame the devil.

E

suga walls Or get ratings.

Yes, in that order.

EGGZACKLEE!! I was waiting diligently for the alleged "disrespect" that caused Tamar to leave? Smmfh

Trashanda Grayes It took Ms. E long enough to speak up to be Tamar’s mom , to me she seems to enable her poor behavior as well.

Trashanda Grayes if you noticed on the second day when Ms V went off both parents were shaking their heads in agreement then.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Trashanda Grayes That's probably what Vince said to her before he whipped that ass.

Danelle Jones That you could even say that shows that either you’re a fucked up person period or you’re dwelling in a moment of not being shit.

A close friend of mines said the same thing about Black elders learning from slavery.

We as the young generation just take it and move on because we're taught to be strong and resilient all the time. Its almost as if we're immortal instead of human. We're never allowed to be vulnerable and feel things.

Oooooo ooooooh ooooooh WOW! SPEEEEEAK!!

Yes to all of this!!!!

Naturally Unbothered yes!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

RIH, Dear Traci! ♥️

It's Traci not Tracy... 🙄

Shannon D esp Trina ...she is terrified of her mother

Ms. E had me in that line right along with em...I straightened the hell up too...lol

Yup you see how quick Trina shrinks down every time

Yassss homegirl Gertrude!

lmfao!!

😂😂 I been waiting on my call all week! Finally!

Ramardo T. Hunt yasss

Ramardo T. Hunt 😂

Most likely. Tamar really needs help and they have let her get away with stuff for too long.

Nailed it.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂

That took me out!

I thought she looked different

Monique Smith preach this is true and I will say for me it is enables abuse

@@MsFitKitty i never thought of it that way. If you dont put it in check the abuse continues

Monique Smith you better say that!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

Monique Smith say it again!!!

It depends on the matriarch. Sometimes they are crazy mommas and sometimes there right mommas.

I was thinking the same thing. He's not there most time.

I know why did they say I know Mikie didn't go to the Christening. Does he not mess with them cause he does be on the show sometimes. So why were they so adamant because he don't mess with Traci specifically?

I feel empathy for Toni and Traci only

SWEAR!😂😂 When Iyanla told her to breath "EVERYBODY" "ALL YALL" 😂😂😂

Can you imagine the millions of people who feel this way about their immediate family?

LR Stinson Yes! I know I personally feel this way about most of my dad's side of my family. They have too much drama and a lot of lazy people with no goals. I love them but honey if they weren't family...

@@lrs1519 yes I can indeed

Natasha Brown me too drained look is me now I had to get away for a year I be looking just like Toni sick n tired

Me being a family girl, that was so sad to hear. I can't even imagine. My sisters are my best friends and there are 5 of us too. I loved their closeness.

Ash Doe it’s five of us as well but we all have different dads so maybe that’s the issue it makes me not want a big family at all

I felt her and was cheering for her to finally get it out of her system. I understand it too. She has carried this a long long long time. God bless her for her strength. Toni is a sweet, beautiful spirit. I hope she continues to grow and thrive in her career. She is a real legend.

Just cut off another sibling 2 weeks ago. He's called. I don't answer. No one for it. We don't gotta be cool Never have been. My Dad did to much damage for us to truly function as family. I try to heal and come together with a bunch of ppl who wanna be right or feel their pain trump's yours instead of just talk. No one's idea, feelings or opinion, interest matters but the person speaking. Spirit of a dead man shining thru the dysfunction. I choose me. They done burnt me the F out. Tired of always trying to be there for narcissists. Can't do it.

C cx c c c. C c. C c. C c c c. c c c cc c c c. C. Cc. Cc. Grrouu

lexdiamonz01 she talks to everybody but Traci unfortunately.

You said what I have thinking for real.

karee 2700 I totally agree. The minute I found out she was behind it, I couldn’t believe her sisters didn’t see right through why she wanted to actually strike.

Exactly

she's a true manipulator -- dummies fell for it - full of sh!T

SunnyNite Designs No they hated that Tracy was close to their fathers 2nd wife. That was the issue! They all felt like she was betraying Mama E

I say it's both, because after the divorce she still lived in the same town as him. 🙏

Wholeheartedly agree... Mrs E made the children choose, it’s a clear line. Toni, Towanda, Trina and Tamar choice was their mom. Mikey and Traci choice was dad. Both Mikey and Traci have a relationship with Mrs Wanda and Mrs E believe it’s betrayal.

@@PeppyLuv All true

Tamar my momma age my momma doesnt act like that

Mama Braxton said to one of her children she thought iyanla was targeting Tamar of course she was cause she's otta control, so just because you've got issues dosent give you permission to run amuck or be disrespectful we all got a story so show some class

Ladi F0XXXi Brown still to this day

That actually happened? She listened to her husband cry over his mistress? How long have they've been divorced? I thought Mr. Braxton left when the children were grown?

@@ccpitts770 yes it happened. She told the girls when Tamar made that song she stole my mama. Tamar wrote it thinking it was inspired by her parents but when Ms E heard it she corrected them. And I think he left when Tamar was small. That’s why her and Ms E are the closest. It was them for along time.

Yvette Glssfrd1 😆😆😆😩😭

🤣🤣

You made me laugh!! Lol

I am rolling 🤣🤣🤣🤣

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

DrGyalfren Well Towanda was on the original show Starting Over that episode is on YT

That is the real reason that Evelyn Braxton didn’t Ike Iyanla and was reluctant to get her help

I was like Boom..there it go..... everything leads back to Ms Evelyn

Iyanla beat her to the punch. Tamar thought she was gonna call her friend Wendy up so could be the 1st to air her own dirty laundry & Iyanla cut that whooole piece out. So she told her business for no reason. IYANLA IS SMART.

Thank you! Now I get it. I was thinking the same thing. I felt like I missed something because I never heard them talk about molestation....

Ms.Iyanla threatened Tamar with a lawsuit because Tamar was calling her a quack and talked pure shit about Ms.Iyanla after that show so much so that Ms. Iyanla threatened a defamation lawsuit against Tamar and the Braxton show

It didn't phase me. My parents know better. They may do it with my siblings but they know better than to approach me like that. I trained them well.

@@Moonewitch Wow! What a proud moment.

@@batteriesnotincluded4715 It was. I don't ascribe to how elderly and older Black women act within their families. I won't stand for it. They will meet their maker messing with me. I simply tolerate them.

Lol lol. But it took her a long time to reprimand Tamar.

Amen!!! I been waiting on this alert for DAYS!!! I had to use my new edge control before the doll snatched them all out lmao

30:55 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Belle Espirit 😭😭😭😭 yeeessss

Teata Marie I mean PERCHED!!!!

@Pop Culture Factory And get your thirsty ass is on his video commenting and watching. You have no life and its pathetic keep it pushing plankton....

Amen say it loud for the ones in the back

Amen this is a word..

Come through Mom! I love when can I get some wisdom from someone’s else’s wise parent.

im not sure i agree...God made you strong....you can always take to Him...God allowed you to bring it to Him....they are still your family...and if you don't pray and break the strongholds..ignoring it will eventually come back to you....it will later attack your offspring....You are Blessed ...Walk in your Authority.

Definitely relatable, well said

Agreed Hun! TOTALLY agree

He devoured this commentary. The epiphanies I endured during this was insane!

It's almost degrading to the children who feel silenced when we needed to speak, but no one can teach you what they don't know and the one thing they didn't know was they were ignorant and unlearned

😂😂😂! You said that so well!! I’m dead😂

I’m weak! 😂😂😂😂

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Bald army vet!! 😂😂😂😂

#triggered 😂😂

LaNeisha Waller we ALL have been waiting for this!!!

You should comment more often. It's nice to have you bless the room.

LaNeisha Waller ikr as soon as I saw this I started laughing

Yess!! Me too!!!

Geo Cyo That’s so nice!!

THE COSMETIC GODDESS YES! Her book explains a lot.

Alpha Omega Hell, you just described folks in customer service or government positions and those that feel no power nowhere else *except* to exude power over you at that moment.

I say that about my family all that time when they get that little but of Power over the family. It’s all they got and they yield it relentlessly even in all their wrong ways on the family. I had to break free from this ego tripping in my own family.

I like how you phrased that... a lot of people don’t get the reasoning and historical reference as to why this happens. They tend to just generalize in my experience. 💯🤷🏾‍♀️

Yeah I had that problem also and it got my ass whipped too but I learned from my experience now I am teaching my babe girl now the different.

Same here!

celeste8271 I believe that too and for me it’s about standing your ground but being respectful at the same time

Me too. I had to learn tact, but I've always been the truthteller.

Same with me!! I always had a "mouth" on me but now as an adult, I have learned how to articulate my feelings without coming across as disrespectful or nasty!

Iloveme Fortune 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

My sister said the same thing lordt.😭😭😭😭😭

🤣🤣 that tear was like 'sorry, it's my day off'

I KNOW RIGHT! She should have been running makeup and blowing snot bubbles!!!!

Iloveme Fortune "For dry, red eyes; clear eyes is awesome WOW"

I said the same thing. She has a personality disorder

Ashley Holmon I believe she has a personality disorder as well. How she acts is not normal

Tamar needs to be in serious therapy. I sincerely pray she's getting the help she needs.

It was a drama scene and she took up everyone else’s time ... everyone else took 1 to 2 minutes to say their peace and Tamar took 10 minutes with all that .... again she has to take all the air in the room and command attention on her

Tamar anoying

And she’s never moved on. She lives vicariously through her daughters.

Roselena Veragova amen

bravo! it's a way to go through and make every moment an experience while seeing silver linings and lessons everywhere ( and maybe even angels). take care Sis!

Leon Valentine I for one would love to see that video

When Toni went and did a movie and didn't do the tour so neither one was on the tour.

Liah Ford Agreed

I hate the excuse the of “she was always like that” when it comes to Tamar...like ok, and Evelyn should’ve nipped it in the bud then

I agree if you noticed when Evelyn was talking to Tamar she was looking at her like WTF that's because she heard her mom saying the same things about Iyanla before they got there and now you switching up telling me to respect her. And saw now her mom acted we they first got there by not wanting to commit to staying until the end.

I thought those tears were fake too.

Liah Ford That was 30 something years too late. Where was that at when Tamar was a child?!

mahari08 yessss me too. keep talking Tamar

Hun, I started cracking up. All I could think about was myself - being the type of sister to whisper, while snugging her with my elbow, “say it, don’t be scared of her, you grown!” Lol

mahari08 Mother Evelyn was goin to smack the shit out of Tamar for being very disrespectful towards Ms. Vanzant and the family.

she was going to knock the piss out of them like she sad on camera before. she's a nasty women and I bet she verbally and mentality abused them when her husband left her ass.

Well she did say she would slap the piss out of Tamar some years ago. Made Tamar cry and everything Jesus

This would be funny if it wasn't true, ain't it sad that you have to separate from your family because you just wanted to plead your thoughts and feelings hoping someone would understand you and all hell breaks loose!!!!!!

But that's all Tracy had was her father. Everyone else left her in the DMV and went off to bright lights and big dreams. So all Braxton and Tracey had were each other. Tracey seems like the only child that has done that, hence her being the "black sheep" the other 4 have been under Ms. E. That's prob why we don't see Michael either, he lives a normal life in the DMV as a nurse (I think)

@@Fullerpotentials14 I agree

Tracy also said on one of the earlier seasons of the Braxton Family Values that she took her father's side when her parents divorce while Toni, Towanda, Trina and Tamar all sided with Evelyn.

Mocha Chilove that’s probably why Tamar feels the way she feels about her daddy

Yes he was looking good!!😍

😂😂😂 no taco meat

Chris Reflections 🙌🏽

@ Chris R-All facts!!!

Say this again but louder 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾

Chris Reflections I wish I could like this 500 times!!!! This was a word!!! 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

You said so much and you so accurate 👏

crazii_creole 3 So true

The mom is still bitter about the dad and they all hold on to her pain and lash out at the dad.

K Bailey and she said who talks to anyone like that ??? ..... she wasn’t just talking about herself

IsaidwhatISaid ! She said that AFTER she said “who talks to me like that” I like Tamar but she is entitled spoiled and for me cancelled 🤷🏾‍♀️

I was waiting for her to say "I am Tamar THEE Braxton! King Kong ain't got nothin' on me!" Lol

That line was telling

I noticed that straight away and was like there we have it. She's a straight narcissist.

TheSaintb23 Not only their father but men in general you see how it was so easy for Tamar to speak up when it was time to correct the Daddy about not being there but none of them say anything to correct or disagree with their mother. I think they blame their father for the breakdown of the family when clearly Ms. E played apart in the demise also.

Qwanda Jay Ms E put the kids in the middle of it! She used them against their father and they're too broken to understand this. She placed her pain upon them and made it theirs when it had NOTHING to do with them. She's dead wrong but bc she's the matriarch she can't be wrong. It's sad how she created the pathologies and refuses to acknowledge it.

TheSaintb23 And Iyanla is BIG on family pathology and inherant & learned behaviors!! Luv it

Qwanda Jay I agree on most points BUT they blame their father because he broke his vows and went outside the marriage. Now Ms E was wrong to involve them to the degree that she did but HE was unfaithful not her so they do blame him right wrong or indifferent

TheSaintb23 Agreed. They had a right to love BOTH parents regardless of the breakdown between him & Ms E. Sad. She was wrong. But she's still hurting clearly.

Kiki Green Right! I am so glad that she did. She broke the cycle. They kept saying the issue was that she said one thing and did another. It wasn’t that. It was that they assumed she was weak and would just go along with them. She is now redefining how she allows them to treat her. I’m so happy for her.

@@nikkobuchanan3305 Ooh! That was deep.😊

@@nikkobuchanan3305 Now, she's with the Heavenly Father, total BLISS, not a care in this world or any other! Fly High Traci! You were a great talent!

When these natural beauties trade in their God-given good looks at such a young age, to look like muppets! Tamar, Ne Ne Leakes Jada Pinkette, Charro, and the likes. Those cheek implants and narrow noses ain't it! They look morphed and unnatural.

I feel like Toni

So do I

Right. Just on living that long. Life experience you can't have at 20 or even 30.

I agree somewhat but I learn things from my kids who are 10 and 8. I don’t assume I know all just because I’m older. Also respect begets respect. I listen and respect their opinions therefore when I speak with authority about something they answer with yes m’am no questions asked.

True

I don't mean any disrespect but how much wisdom can one gain by surviving their circumstances instead of conquering. A lot of elder can only teach survival because a lack of education inevitably causes struggle, and then that pathology continues.

OMG PREACH!!! My mother lacks this "wisdom". RESPECT BEGETS RESPECT!!!!!!!! O LORD, PLEASE WRITE THAT AGAIN.

RoyalRed ooh that’s deep 🤔

But he dogged iyanya on the queen supreme court

And that’s why Tamar gets away with that behavior until Evelyn feels the need to address it.

I was so pissed !! 😂😂😂 like I KNOW THEY AIN'T FALLIN FOR THAT SHIT 😂😂😂

SixOne ThaJuice yes its like she had finally recognized she was a bitch the entire time so now she wants sympathy

Gia Gia omg Yessss Trina looked away not to laugh if y’all noticed 🤦🏾‍♀️ They all felt awkward 😳😒

I eye rolled like hell. I felt NOTHING. Theatrics.

Omg not on tear. My grandma was pissed at her overly animated ass

Dee Williams same and mine treat me like trash. I just don’t deal with them.

Pretty Brown Nomad You’ll be blessed

Thank you Dee...I had to search long in these comments for this. To say kma to a parent no no..and return to have subsequent convo..heck no ever

I wouldn't either. My mama is military trained and I want to keep all my teeth.

Rephiment10 yup...I wanna keep my TEETH AND MY LIFE🙌😂🙏🏽

I say this to my mother daily!

Sha e In most Black families we try and be respectful, and we certainly wouldn’t disagree or call our mother out on national tv, even if we should. Many of us just DON’T do that!

Sha e my family too!

My family also that’s why I don’t speak to them at all to toxic

Yep even down to calling her “mommy”

Yes, it's do obvious how they are in a state of arrested development.

Absolutely, Arrested Development...

@@lonniex4237 Oooh! I hate it when over 30+ adults still uses Mommy.

Mark Fisher yes me too

Right😂😂

@Lashaunda Green Gossip me too

🤣🤣🤣🤣LOL

Yeah, i remember that part. I think it's the fact that they were kinda making light of it and making it into a joke. They should have been more firm in my opinion.

rae bay true! even then she had to put a smile on it.

She probably does have all the secrets in her squirrel bag. She's the secret squirrel.

She said it with fear (she was the only one brave enough to say it).

Dana Wilson she says it was short lived based on her being GUARED around them and putting a wall up, not in how they felt she treated them