BREAKING: DoorDash Reveals Dasher Pay & Orders For 2024 (What To Expect)

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DoorDash just commented on Dasher pay, Dasher supply, new verticals like grocery offers and more but what does this mean for Dashers?
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0:00 - DoorDash Q1 2024 Earnings Call
0:20 - Why Doesn't Amazon Have The Advantage?
1:03 - Is DoorDash Concerned About Grocery Orders?
1:29 - Grocery Is Here To Stay (Here's Why)
2:23 - Grocery & Convenience Offers Aren't All Bad
2:58 - Increased Earnings For Dashers
3:47 - DoorDash's Restaurant Growth Is Slowing
4:21 - DoorDash Customers Spending Through Inflation
5:04 - These Markets Are Not Working For DoorDash
6:15 - New Portable Benefits For Dashers (PA)
6:56 - How Is The Supply Of Dashers?
7:44 - Dashers Are Dashing More
8:38 - Continuing To Reduce Dasher Costs
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@YourDriverMike 2 ай бұрын

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@biggiesmalls657 2 ай бұрын

I have to say it’s pretty sweet

@TheBetterManInBlack 2 ай бұрын

The app has developed an annoying habit of criticizing my driving. Like having granny in the back seat bitching about braking and accelerating.

@daviddillemuth7268 2 ай бұрын

Yah what the heck is that I'm 57 driving for 40 years. At end of my dash it says 2 hard braking and a fast acceleration. I turned it off

@YourDriverMike 2 ай бұрын

Oh yes the driver insights! haha you know I turned that thing off instantly the same day 😂

@Sasparillafizz 2 ай бұрын

Yeah def turn that thing off. Can't imagine how expensive that was to plan / code / test / roll out and the drivers just despise it / turn it off.

@Sasparillafizz 2 ай бұрын

@@daviddillemuth7268 With you on that, I drive in a very relaxed manner and never had a perfect shift with the negative reinforcement master, cause there's always some reason you have to stop quick / accelerate fast at some point, lol. They're obviously watching and rating our driving with it though, whether its on for us or not.

@biggiesmalls657 2 ай бұрын

Yes DoorDash if I wanted someone to criticize my driving, I would ask my fiancee

@MikeyMikeHq 2 ай бұрын

I keep making less and less. Its becoming completely impossible. Last week was $12 per hour dashing / 50 hours

@YourDriverMike 2 ай бұрын

I certainly had several $11-$13/hr shifts getting to Silver status

@isaveu 2 ай бұрын

Same here each night its more depressing I get horrible offers and I feel like I need to take them all because once again my ar is down under 70.

@Jeffreymart 2 ай бұрын

@@isaveu Aisan games

@blancagonzalez2002 2 ай бұрын

You're all playing that game? multi app

@audryhudson 2 ай бұрын

That seems to be the standard right now. No matter how much I earn per delivery, at the end of the day, the algorithm calculates within about a $12-$15/hour earning for each Dasher. The algorithm seems to be programmed to make sure we only receive so much pay, which ever way they have to enforce it (lowering base pay if it is a high tip, offering extremely low pay on long distances, or by not sending dashes). Their system is rigged and they operate on the very thin lines of the boundaries set by the law... That is, until they are forced to adhere to the law, and not barely, if at all, conforming to it.

@scottm.peters1473 2 ай бұрын

Did Tony talk about why 99% of offers sent out to his drivers are beyond insulting absolute phucking garbage?

@NoahErikkson 2 ай бұрын

Facts😂

@PulseScratcher 2 ай бұрын

Nope. Just that dashers are making more money and that they want to be efficient with dasher pay. Efficient meaning... pay cuts.

@YourDriverMike 2 ай бұрын

I feel like I'm making more money on Dasher Rewards, barely. The dollars:mile is solid but per hour is $17-$19 on all recent shifts sometimes even lower around $11-$13 if I get bad luck. Keep in mind some of those shifts were awful days/times (i.e. Monday at 11AM or something). I have more testing to do on EBT now that I know it doesn't give shop & deliver. Then after Platinum to compare back to general cherry picking. Overall still not great pay compared to 2019-2020 but we're in a different time

@michaellewellyn9080 2 ай бұрын

@YourDriverMike so, after gas expense $11-$17 becomes $8-$14? Below min wage in the blue wealthier states

@Jeffreymart 2 ай бұрын

@@michaellewellyn9080 2-7 an hour NY after gas and forced hourly now where they cheat the hour by ONLY during accepted offer, we donate the rest of our time , they beat the hourly wage instantly and shoved it up our tailpipes !

@hollyscott2586 2 ай бұрын

I got an email saying I have “platinum status for a week” to try it. I went on last night and first order was $6.75 for 5.5 miles (WTH). I accepted it hoping to get a bundle order which I did. A platinum order $10 to go an extra 4.4 miles. But I had to travel a total of 10+miles from the restaurant. Even if you combine the orders it’s 16.75 for a little over 10 miles. Still not great. How can they call that a platinum order?!?! I delivered, ended my dash and went to Spark. Made $85 in about 2.5 hours. Going to stick with that for now!

@dwills7two9 2 ай бұрын

Since they only count active time, it looks better when drivers stay logged on to make the same pay as a year ago in fewer hours. It's all a choice of words. Show the real available time drivers sit around waiting for valid orders then the stats will look different

@YourDriverMike 2 ай бұрын

Good point, per active hour vs per dash hour would be VERY interesting to see disclosed

@Jeffreymart 2 ай бұрын

@@YourDriverMike here it is : 2-7 an hour NY after gas and forced hourly now where they cheat the hour by ONLY during accepted offer, we donate the rest of our time , they beat the hourly wage instantly and shoved it up our tailpipes !

@audryhudson 2 ай бұрын

Big time. These guys are great manipulators of appearances and have a huge love of self, big ego... Ick. This kind of business model may be good for them, for now, but that garbage does not last. Being a thief never ends well- NEVER. Thieves get caught and thieves are punished.

@Zgtrman58 2 ай бұрын

San Diego market is over saturated with dashers which is making offers at sub par levels with MORE idle time during shifts. My active time is way down from six months ago. I keep denying 2 and 4 dollar orders which is tanking my AR.

@YourDriverMike 2 ай бұрын

Which market segment do you typically drive in San Diego? I would do La Jolla and Mission Valley mainly. Sometimes PB

@johnhamrick1051 2 ай бұрын

I’m ok with shop and deliver, but please, please, stop with the cosmetics already. I’m fine with 60 pound bags of chicken feed from Tractor Supply. But what the *^#* is a blend sponge???

@YourDriverMike 2 ай бұрын

That's why I go straight to the associates, both times they're like "yep!" and walk away to get it. Smaller stores but thousands of tiny, different slightly different products

@arresthillary9502 2 ай бұрын

straight facts my dude!! and at walmart all that stuff is LOCKED in a case so ya gotta find somebody to come open it. CANCEL CANCEL CANCEL

@Mama2thecrazytrain Ай бұрын

Maybe DD should just give those to us women lol!

@biggiesmalls657 2 ай бұрын

Thank you Mike! Between you and Pedro I wouldn’t know much about these side gigs :) I’ve been doing this for over a year and on top of my manager position. It’s nice to get the deets! I’m in PA too

@VoltaicVisions 2 ай бұрын

I was all excited when they rolled out dasher preferences in my metro. The very first weekend was awesome. ~$35 an hour that whole weekend doing nothing but S&Ds. Tony must've seen how much I was making and blacklisted me, because now *even* as a pro shopper (new dasher incentive for shop and delivers), I'm ALWAYS getting my S&Ds bundled with food delivery!! That defeats the ENTIRE point of dasher preferences!! It was good while it lasted (2 days 😂)

@heidiwagner1436 2 ай бұрын

I am probably 80% shop and deliver. It is exhausting.

@YourDriverMike 2 ай бұрын

It really is, check out EBT see if they stop sending those

@jacobperez2227 2 ай бұрын

Just hit platinum tonight!! Going home to get rest for tomorrow! Hopefully it’s a good weekend!!

@doctoranderson2009 2 ай бұрын

I like how customers want quicker faster delivery but they don't want to pay for it I don't think so I like how these companies want faster service but don't want to pay the dashers more they want to steal from the dashers I don't think so

@iStunForFunLOL 2 ай бұрын

I dash in SF, CA. Even with prop 22, I only make around $25-26/hour while running both UE/DD (I UE/DD as my main job, but I have a W2 that I work part time, and a seasonal job as well). Prop 22 supplements approximates to expenses consistently, so there's not much need to calculate before/after expenses. Deacceleration of orders is a real thing, but the real problem is the market saturation and multiaccounters. Every block on a hotspot, there's already 5 dashers with LIKELY more than one account or phone taking up a parking space. I've literally seen some guy with 7 phones at a local restaurant. Shop and pays are good here in California, just because we're all on permanent earn by time, but I feel like I've lost out on money because I'll see all these dashers who didn't opt into shop and pay get these big bags of restaurant orders, while I actually have to walk around finding items to get the same amount of money.

@MarcelHoskins 2 ай бұрын

I LOVE Retail/groceries! I'm in Chicago so lots of good tips/offers. I'm usually seeing 2.5x the dollar per the mile

@jaebrewster1826 2 ай бұрын

Appreciate you bro

@howardbausch8558 2 ай бұрын

Yes I work in Miami area you do not get shop and pay on earned by time that is right

@natewebb8106 2 ай бұрын

I would really like alcohol to be a preference option. The orders are typically pretty decent but the best part is there's literally almost zero wait time for the pickup. 99% of the time you're in and out in under a minute. Shop and pay alcohol is no different than a regular shop and pay, so those are hit or miss. I would love to just do nothing but alcohol pickup orders, cause believe me, alcoholics are consistent and reliable customers 😜

@LLStacheLarry 2 ай бұрын

Question in my market in erie pa. My AR is 62. Is there a reason why i cant schedule. Zones 20 miles away and farther i can. My market is bigger and more food places. I have to wait tell it goes red. Is there to many people in my zone.

@fyrephase464 2 ай бұрын

Havent been able to dash since they updated the app, my area is either gone, or when it does show up to let me drive, theyre 30-45 min shifts every now and then, which makes it impossible to even get 100 deliveries.

@isaveu 2 ай бұрын

Thats interesting , I cant get above 70 ar and they are only offering 30 min shifts here as well.

@lordzeerus 2 ай бұрын

whoop! i got featured! 10:54

@YourDriverMike 2 ай бұрын

Let's goo

@MikeLockheart 2 ай бұрын

I'm only turning on shop and deliver if im really slow and not getting any resturant orders. maybe in the middle of summer, it could come in handy. But if there are enough resturant orders to keep me going, I'm keeping that shop and deliver turned off.

@jamesham1050 2 ай бұрын

Pay by time works good during dinner time when you stay busy and driving during evening commute. Making 13.75/hr + tips in Boise.

@kellenw6856 2 ай бұрын

I got a shop and deliver on EBT just yesterday at target 🤷

@RbAgsts718 2 ай бұрын

I kind of just started DD as a side hustle. Yesterday I did my second shop and pay. It was for two batteries at CVS. The first one was for three items at CVS but I only found two. Luckily the woman was a good sport and she was okay with me not finding one of the items. An older woman who I’m doing grocery shopping 🛒 for might not be okay with me not finding stuff. It’s going to affect my customer ratings.

@MrEjohnston 2 ай бұрын

I receive almost 100% restaurant orders. Occasionally an alcohol order will pop up and I will receive shop and deliver orders very rarely. I have delivered auto parts and tools from Lowe's.

@victormcbrideii2327 2 ай бұрын

Can't wait until I get a offer that says I need a truck😂

@krismiller5474 2 ай бұрын

I have had a couple for Home Depot that did…I had to decline.

@JasonsZeekChannel Ай бұрын

Thank you for all your work. Have been dashing part-time for a while in Scottsdale, AZ. Over 6200 deliveries. My income has declined quite a bit over the past year, especially the last 3 months. Was averaging ~$33/hr before, now it's closer to $20/hr. Usually I'm around 60% acceptance, but when it gets close to 50%, terrible orders start getting offered, en masse. Seems like DD is attempting to force us to take these to avoid losing Silver status. Dashing for me, at least, is making less and less sense.

@arresthillary9502 2 ай бұрын

got a catering order on UE this morning($48). drive across town. canceled by Cracker Barrel. turned it off. went out tonight for a snack tonight, turned it on for 30 minutes made a delivery from Taco Hell for $12. it was a big day!!! 12 bucks😂

@atlas7767 Ай бұрын

My rate goes down every day because of Chick Fil A. Sorry I don't want to go 20 miles for $3.

@elizabethbecerra722 2 ай бұрын

Are shop and deliver orders for certain people i have not gotten one of these orders

@jeremywebster539 2 ай бұрын

I find the company and the customers are cheaper. I'm looking for different options. Money was cut 20% over the last year or so

@ajg214 Ай бұрын

Im based in Queens, NYC and I’m NOT allowed to dash within NYC during peak time unless I schedule ahead of time. Has anyone else have this issue? My AR Is at 45% because I refuse to do $3 orders for 6 miles. Lmk and thanks for the vid Mike!

@dwight8090 2 ай бұрын

I make most of my money shopping. Save on gas and wear and tear. Did 13 shopping orders made 256 dollars. 95 miles. I'll do those all day long.

@carlosgarces8980 2 ай бұрын

Do you do the 20 items and above shops, and if so, how long does it take to do those shops? Dollar general, Aldi, are small but can take a while finding uncommon things. And HEB and Kroger and target takes 1:30 just to walk on the other side of the store.

@dwight8090 2 ай бұрын

@@carlosgarces8980 I usually only do Meijer. I know where everything is. DG I do if the price is right. Meijer I did a 55 item the other day. The pay was 47 dollars. Had it down in about 75 minutes. The delivery Wasn't too far from the store. I get a lot of 15-20 dollar orders for 5-15 items. But I decide what order I take from the route I have to go. I'll do 7 dollar orders from restaurants for 5-6 miles if it's freeway miles. Beldon village is right next to interstate 77. I won't accept 15 Dollar orders for 9-10 Miles if I have to drive through the city with lights and traffic. I'd rather do the 8-10 dollar order down the highway. IMO. the route you have to go is the best way to make money. Because if you're sitting at lights with traffic it takes too long. I know the routes just by glancing at the offer. Between DD and Uber eats I have around 14000 deliveries. If I get a Meijer for say 35 items for 25 dollars but it's 13 Miles away I'll most likely decline it. Because usually another one pops up for 5 -10 items for 10-15 dollars for 4 miles.

@november20038 2 ай бұрын

Same lol

@matthewthomas2012 2 ай бұрын

I'm getting higher paying orders at the end of my dash

@markfernkopf5133 2 ай бұрын

2022 I was averaging $1200 a week. Last year it was $1400 a week. This year it's more like $1100 a week but that mainly because my car's been in the shop since Nov, waiting on a part from Honda, I get my car back in July. Currently our backup vehicle, a 20 year old minivan is dying. Can't go past 2nd gear, so have to avoid hills and hwys entirely & lights quit working so have to get home before sundown. Dasher rewards hit our market a few days ago. It sucks. I made it up to Silver after two days of taking lots of crap. Determined to get that up to platinum by this weekend. Rolling 30 day total stays around 500 deliveries so that's not an issue. I prefer the shop and deliver actually. Much more money. I'll shop for 30 items for 20 bucks or 20 items for 15 bucks all day long. That's like 30 dollars an hour. I'm doing Hy-Vee shop orders at least 10 times a day. By far where most of my money comes from .

@whatanamazingusername7962 2 ай бұрын

Bruh lmao. Im a mechanic who does doordash part time. I gotta tell you. Theres no such thing as a car being in a shop for months, not even a car as common as a honda, where parts availability is very readily available. Not even the italian cars like alfa romeo have months waiting list. Its a couple weeks at most. Goodluck my guy.

@markfernkopf5133 2 ай бұрын

@@whatanamazingusername7962 been waiting on a front left steering knuckle for a 2015 Honda Civic EX-L Sedan since Nov 15th. It's just been sitting at Honda waiting for Honda to make the part. Searched everywhere for the replacement part , did find one in a junkyard in Ohio but they refused to ship. Not available anywhere online. Finally heard back from Honda recently that the ETA for the part is July 4th.

@carlosgarces8980 2 ай бұрын

What city is $1,100 a week? How many hours for that pay (like the hours on from starting leaving your home/apt to returning back to home/apt? What is your AR, customer rating, etc.?

@markfernkopf5133 2 ай бұрын

@@carlosgarces8980 West Des Moines Iowa , I leave home at 11 am and get home at 8pm , 7 days a week , 4.98 , 62 percent AR currently

@EmilGuillen-lx8hq 2 ай бұрын

Scammed by a mechanic?

@itowedin 2 ай бұрын

All of these things Doordash "isn't worried about" but Tony Xu sold all of his stock in Doordash last week. Why is NOBODY talking about that?

@MoonReacts1 2 ай бұрын

I am currently a dasher and I wanted to know if you have done catering orders if so did you get enough money or was it the same as picking up from a regular order.

@YourDriverMike 2 ай бұрын

Haven't unlocking Large Order program yet, now it's behind Platinum status which I'll unlock soon

@MoonReacts1 2 ай бұрын

@@YourDriverMike oh okay thank you for the advice

@matthewthomas2012 2 ай бұрын

I'm platinum driver..I maybe get one or two a day some better than others..I drive 100 miles a day money wise 1 for 1

@ValeriShoemaker 2 ай бұрын

Where do I go for app help? I cannot schedule “Unable to load data. Error networking…I talked to help and it was escalated. But still not working

@j3marty320 2 ай бұрын

Restart your phone. Usually works for me

@YourDriverMike 2 ай бұрын

Yes restart the phone, uninstall then reinstall the app. If that doesn't work continue speaking with support

@j3marty320 2 ай бұрын

On instacart I had issues in a Costco. I deleted the app and redownloaded probably 3 times in 20 minutes. No issues since

@Mama2thecrazytrain Ай бұрын

I personally love the shopping orders and alcohol orders. I’ve only had one bad one and that was the customer. I make most of my money on shop orders.

@michellehermann135 2 ай бұрын

Are these really improvements? I don’t think so.

@Talzoid 2 ай бұрын

Welp, Dasher Rewards just got announced here in minneapolis MN. 😥

@Denise-ij3tl 2 ай бұрын

.. I never see grocery orders come in .. red cards can't activate .. all nonsense .. 2 years now , never saw grocery orders .. does it depend how large the car is ? 🤔 South FL.

@Sierra-yp6nw 2 ай бұрын

I'm seeing consistently less pay while continuing to rain in 5* reviews & above beyond rankings. I've been Platinum for over 2 months in Arkansas. I only dash during peak times (lunch & dinner) and there are rarely promo pays here. It seems on "decent/average" order days DoorDash keeps me between $12-$15 per hour. The other trend is for Friday night & Saturday night it's $20/hr (all before expenses). This earning call sounds like a numbers game to present the best view for investors while masking the reality on the street.

@maevandorpe6617 2 ай бұрын

I was in a restaurant eating lunch with others and I noticed almost every doordash person who came in ( over 6) could not speak English and it was causing so many issues. So having more dashers but not quality dashers who can perform the job well.

@TinaJohnson-wl3mw 2 ай бұрын

You got anything on Canada Grand Prairie Alberta British Columbia

@Sasparillafizz 2 ай бұрын

Have not accepted a shopping offer in quite a while now (the $ per time is often only marginal or kinda good if they were straight deliveries, but if there's missing item your cooked). Customers don't know to tip for the shopping time and DD is obviously not guiding them to do so. EBT only seems to get pickup and deliver orders from non restaurants (few tips of course). Not often talked about, Tonybro is one of the highest paid CEO's in the tech industry (believe it's ~$400 million a year), just insane...still the same guy with the judgement (a few years back) that thought skimming drivers tips was a good thing and tried to argue that publicly with the customer base till it blew up in his face.

@rellfrommiii 2 ай бұрын

If they gave pbt dashers shop and delivers the dashers could possibly take their r time shopping

@dragonwarden3285 2 ай бұрын

Driver cost efficiency? Gee, I wonder how they going to do that? By paying less and asking for more through more B.S. coercion metrics/programs.🙄

@bethyoung8646 2 ай бұрын

And hopefully not running up 3 flights .. plus additional tip or I won’t finish.

@johnhamrick1051 2 ай бұрын

They are building 4 story non-elevator apartments in my area. 😠

@johnhamrick1051 2 ай бұрын

I’m doing close to 95% shop and deliver.

@YourDriverMike 2 ай бұрын

Have you tired Earn By Time at all? Especially after it seems they don't send S&D on that mode

@dwight8090 2 ай бұрын

That's the best way to make money. Less gas used, less wear and tear.

@baranbozdogan7585 2 ай бұрын

NH change the system top dasher to tier system but nothing change app glitch no one can see high pay orders or cathering orders, what a joke

@CC-bi8hw 2 ай бұрын

Dasher Rewards are coming to my market next week. Yah! However, DD has given me so many garbage orders this week that my AR went from 40 percent to now at 18 percent. This is the first week that Uber Eats is making me more money than DD.

@CC-bi8hw 2 ай бұрын

I'm now at 14 percent.

@MikeLockheart 2 ай бұрын

I think dasher pay being more efficent is refering to now when you get multiple orders stacked togther, you only get 2$ base pay total, NOT 2$ base pay for each order. they changed the language to say offer, not order to get away with it. So you could be literally taking and dropping off a order for 0$ base pay and 0$ tip. since they dont tell you what each order pays you can't know which one is a non paying order. IT IS WILD TO THINK ABOUT

@michaelsage9307 2 ай бұрын

They should pay $20/ hr. For me, and $5-$10/ hr. For my car. Depending upon the state. Plus, mileage at the end of the year

@natesmith3173 2 ай бұрын

😂. Why not offer you a benefits package as well? You're asking for way too much.

@michaelsage9307 Ай бұрын

@@natesmith3173 If you settle for nothing now, then you'll settle for nothing later.

@davesatxify 2 ай бұрын

I’m sooo glad I’ve had no shop n delivers :)

@dwight8090 2 ай бұрын

I would rather take 17-30 dollar orders for 45 mins. 1 delivery. Usually 8 miles or less. . Less gas, less wear and tear.

@TinaJohnson-wl3mw 2 ай бұрын

Itz hard here in Grand Prairie Alberta the tips suck bad and the distance to pick up and deliver or long up to 10 to 15 minutes for pickup the longest I've had to deliver is a half an hour if that's a waste of my time I'm going back to BC where I was a top Dasher and hopefully I can get back to that and make my four grand in 3 weeks I cannot live on what I'm making here I have to go on welfare and that is b*******

@HANGINWITHTHEDREAMER 2 ай бұрын

Hi Mike I would love for you to see my offers and my rating

@brandonstraczek3398 2 ай бұрын

I made 176$ in 9 hours no shopping pays this is after the glitch is gone lol 16 drops in vegas

@brandonstraczek3398 2 ай бұрын

Yes I am platinum

@randyclarke1424 2 ай бұрын

On my account I can’t dash or I can’t schedule

@randyclarke1424 2 ай бұрын

Do you no why ? Need help

@StarCastle33 2 ай бұрын

It’s gimmick to force you to get your acceptance rate up so can qualify for dash now, and then they send you absolute trash offers which destroy acceptance rating quick as you couldn’t believe, then force you to take the same trash offers to build your AR all over again in a vicious cycle.

@bubbasue74 2 ай бұрын

Did your market start tier program?

@ericberry6557 2 ай бұрын

I font believe anything dd I'd saying because we see different in the streets

@RbAgsts718 2 ай бұрын

After gass and taxes that is about what I make.

@ericshiel 2 ай бұрын

They wan't to work on dasher costs yet they also supported a $2 base, there's something illogical about that. They are telling you guys exactly what you want to hear, without actually following through with it. It all wreaks of politics.

@blancagonzalez2002 2 ай бұрын

Multi app

@anthonyromayo9255 2 ай бұрын

When will dashers comprehend that they are replaceable??? Just a tad above worthless….i know what i am…..expendable

@arresthillary9502 2 ай бұрын

you will own nothing and like it😂

@Mama2thecrazytrain Ай бұрын

I personally love the shopping orders and alcohol orders. I’ve only had one bad one and that was the customer. I make most of my money on shop orders.