want a good example of that? the original Shaq Fu. Every animation is meticulously smooth that, everything feels slow lmao

It’s like Sakurai said in the previous animation video, too much is just right. Attack motions should be exaggerated and obvious since they’re integral to the player experience.

Yeah, that was an issue with kh3 combat. Sora's attack animation was too detailed. So, all of the moves felt way slower than it should be. In kh2, you go from pose to pose and moves just felt way snappier.

I made a game a long time ago where I animated a whip attack. The windup took 0.8 seconds. Combat was basically impossible, haha.

Hi Spinel! ^^

Yea this video is talking about the animation principles of "exaggeration" and "follow through", these principles aim to emphasise the character's actions as much as possible so that audience understands what is happening. This is opposite of IRL combat where you're supposed to minimise action so that the opponent can't react and take advantage of the windows of opportunity.

Animations have to be exaggerated for clarity and fun. Real life sword fighting is kind of boring to watch. Fun in it's own way, but its much cooler to see giant slashes with a lot of force behind them for a beefy hit, rather than a smaller quick slash with barely any movement.

Another way smash ultimate feels better by breaking normal physics is how characters fly across the screen when they get hit and then slow down dramatically once the player can act especially compared to previous titles where the deceleration feels less dramatic.

Brawl Meta Knight was pretty much this, no telegraphing, amazing mobility and recovery, go figure

Yes! I've fenced with a saber for years and your only way to react to an opponent is knowing the distance they can threaten you in and the subtle cues they transmit not by sight but through feeling. The best fencers have lesser tells, but in saber fencing you are blade to blade, always aiming your point at the opponent's throat and maintaining a guard. During this, you are applying subtle pressures to each other's weapons to manipulate their blade into your openings or close your own openings. When someone dedicates themselves to an attack, the pressure changes, the "standby" goes to a "lead in," but you cannot see it - you have to feel it. This is why you often see fencers sort of "tap" each other's blades before doing anything. You want to get a feel for your opponent and develop a strategy. Attacking into an opponent who's cues you don't understand can be risky - though this need lessens with experience. But if you're simply observing fencers, their attacks are lightning quick and you cannot see them coming. A cut comes from a flick of the wrist, a thrust comes from the backleg and forward arm springing forward with surprising speed. The whole point is that there is no tell, no wind up. Obvious tells come from either inexperience, feints, or set ups - where experienced fencers manipulate their opponent into a response. Translating this requires slowing down and breaking down a lot of this stuff you cannot otherwise communicate! And even then, it's fast!

Red Dead Redemption 2 is a good example of this, where player input can feel laggy. "Feel" is a genuine term used in game animation to design how actions respond.

Exactly! I totally agree with this. I could never get into those triple A realistic games.

Yep, every rockstar game has this exact problem

We're all kids compared to Sakurai

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@@personallyunknown4670 At the end he directly connects it to frame data, using the graphic that says "Total frames" at the bottom. It's true that he never says "frame data," but he references frames enough that it's clear that how many frames each phase of animation takes is really important to him, and that's what frame data is all about.

Yeah, I can see that working for some kind of "Big risk / Big reward" move, but for normal attacks is better quick and easily readable

No, even heavy moves with long wind-ups snap a little into the wind-up animation, because it just helps with readability in general. Some other games that have big, long special moves sometimes use realistic, full wind-ups and then rely on big, loud special effects or UI elements, camera zooms, and/or even take the entire game into slowmotion, to get that same readability and to show the player that the game has read their input quickly and properly. Hyrule Warriors comes to mind. But no matter what, the player must not feel like the game itself is sluggish, or has high latency. Games must always be snappy in some way, because players expect the actions to happen instantly after the button press. Gameplay function comes first, natural motion comes second.

@@3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7 That makes sense, youre right.

@@TheJosethemaster FALCON.. PAWWWNCH

@@kreeperkiller4423 GAME!

"If you can't explain it so that a 6-year-old can understand it, then you don't understand it, yourself." - Albert Einstein

Lmaoo 😂

Mario can hover if he flaps his arms really hard

You should see the Luigi one

I know New Frame+… who’s the other?

@@FedoraKirb VGAS

If I had a nickle for every Dan animator on KZfaq i follow... i'd have 2 nickles. But it's still odd that it's more than 1.

Too bad he is currently spending so much time analyzing all those old 8-bit FF games one at a time even though they are really similar and look or animate barely differently. It's his choice and he has the freedom to do what he wants of course but I personally would like to to see him tackle other topics or at least streamline which games he features in a single video.

@@teero121 I was quite happy with his older videos and I'm a fan of JRPG pixel art, so I'm quite content seeing how he tackles the FF games.

I do wonder about the impact of player feedback and where it is collected. I've been talking about the infinite loading glitch in Smash 3DS for a while now, on several different videos, and I've yet to receive an answer on the matter, whether it's from developers or fellow players. I know it's been a long time since the last patch, but I just can't let this issue go. I need a solution for this.

I'd say the amount of player feedback taken into consideration varies hugely between projects/teams/etc. so it could be kinda hard, unless you just mean for stuff Sakurai has worked on.

I'd say for smash the team does take in a fair amount of player feedback, but one thing to note is how much they take tournament results into consideration. For example, Ike used to be all over the scene early on, but now he's been nerfed so much you barely ever see him at a major. Meanwhile pikachu, a character believed to possibly be best in the game, has hardly ever been nerfed because nobody has really been able to fully utilize pikachu in tournament yet. Meanwhile Zelda, a character who is probably the best at a casual level due to her insanely spammable, projectile based moveset and final smash has only ever received one nerf, and it was to the shield damage of her down special.

I think that player feedback is only taken into consideration when the devs have data to back it up. They won't merely change something because players want it to change. They will do the tests first.

If you're new to programming and the like, I'd suggest using something like Scratch to dip your toes, but if you're somewhat familiar, Game Maker Studio is pretty intuitive and beginner friendly. You can even make full games in that one. Rivals of Aether is a great example of a game made in there.

@@aurora_x86 Already did, remade the first level of Super Mario Bros with it ^^

Most of the words the Smash scene use now and call things were just coined a long time ago and have no origin, mainly because there were no official names. Even when they tried implementing official names to things later on, the scene was already so used to what they were using, they didn't stick.

Mockrock as well

No, you can walk and dash out of them but cannot shield. Because of this it is optimal to hold left or right + shield after a down tilt so you will buffer walk for a frame which then buffers into shield on the next.

Being able to jump cancel shine has lead to so much tech, that's another huge one

yeah, I dont understand why Sakurai said that this concept isnt present in melee

True. If we look at Pokemon. Let's Go looks so much better, due to the more cartoony artstyle it has, than what i've seen so far in V/S or when playing Legends Arceus. Even when actually stopping and analyzing stuff in Persona 5, you can see a lot of very odd textures, models or so. But the hyper stylized artstyles hides a lot of it (like the actual 3D models faces) Artstyle can hide SO MUCH and is imo way more important than graphical fidelity.

@@Shakzor1 No kidding, Art styles can make or break a game's immersion imo. So many times have games gone for that default realistic art style (sonic frontiers) where the game could've fit alot better with a more distinguished look that match's the game's personality.

Two words, kids: horror games. Wether realism benefits a game's art style or not DEPENDS ON THE KIND OF GAME. Or do you really think a game like Silent Hill or Resident Evil would benefit from minimalism and flat textures? It's a case by case basis

@@roskiart8750 Of course, there are plenty of games that do alot better with having realism. Red Dead Redemption II did that masterfully.

Why? There's already standardized terms for them: Neutral Startup Active Recovery

@@budgetcoinhunter because sakurai describe it in a different names so I decided to name it short for this and SLAF sound better than NSAR in my head

Je pense que c'est une texture superposée à l'épée, qui laisse une trainée. La texture se désactive quand elle n'est pas utilisée lors d'une attaque. Ike possède cette trainée, mais avec des flammes, ce qui a pu conduire à un glitch visuel. Cependant, contrairement à OoT, la trainée semble être indépendante de la hitbox. C'est comme si dans Smash, tu disais d'activer les deux (la trainée et la hitbox), là où dans OoT, l'un entrainait forcément l'activation de l'autre

Well it’s also a big deal that Melee has no buffer system. So not only can you not cancel your endlag, you have to time your next move exactly after it ends

@@KevSB07 Right, I forgot about that bit, but that's also definitely a part of it.

The reason it feels weird or rigid is almost certainly the lack of an input buffer. Ultimate is extremely generous with input timings, but melee is very strict; if you make an input before character's lag from a previous action is over, even slightly, the input will be ignored. You have to learn the timings on everything before it starts to feel responsive (which probably doesn't take as long as you might expect). After you get used to it, it actually feels more responsive than a system with a buffer. Also, Melee does have interruptable attacks, and they're well known, so it's surprising that Sakurai said that. Marth down tilt is an example I use a lot, but you can find more examples on the Melee Frame Data website if you browse long enough. Also, according to Smash Wiki, interruptible animations existed in a very limited capacity as far back as Smash 64, and became more prevalent in Melee (and have become even more common in every game since)

@@professorc-dawgscastle8591 it's impossible for any game to feel more responsive without an input buffer. Maybe if you get really good it feels equally responsive, but MORE responsive, how would that even work?

@@Unit_00 It's because in a system with buffer (especially one as large as Ultimate's), your inputs often come out many frames after you make them (since you're allowed to make them much earlier); therefore, the time between your input and the game's response is much longer on average (and far more variable/hard to predict) than in the system with no buffer, where your input either comes out instantly or not at all. Once you get used to the timings, it's practically always the former (instant response), and when it's not, it feels clear that it was your own mistake. I've played plenty of both Melee and Ultimate and I can confidently say Melee feels far more responsive, with the lack of a buffer being one of the main reasons. Of course there are advantages to the buffer system; it allows you to act frame-perfectly out of other actions easily, and eliminates that learning period where it feels completely unresponsive before you acclimate to the timings, but it also makes learning those animation timings much more difficult as a result and contributes to a floatier, more disconnected game feel. By contrast, the no-buffer system feels sharp, snappy and facilitates naturally learning animation timings (which itself makes the game more predictable to the player, allowing them to act with more intention). Melee does have a much smaller, more limited buffer in select situations. There may be a perfect balance to be found somewhere between the extremes of Melee and Ultimate, but I suspect it's very limited/conservative/much closer to Melee if so.

I'd probably call them platform fighters, not smash clones, but really this is something that most big FGC games already have figured out. Idk why so many platform fighters struggle so much with this.

So far it seems like Rivals 2 is the only one that's nailing it, among other platform fighters. Every other game kinda feels off and idk why

Honestly, Smash just does everything better. The movement feels the least rigid, the combos feel like they have so much room for creativity, yet escaping them is just as easy, it’s honestly just amazing. Rivals is pretty good, too (honestly I can’t wait for Rivals 2).

I was thinking the same thing. Lots of moves in Melee have what's called an IASA frame, which stands for "Interruptible As Soon As". It's extra obvious in moves like Ness' down tilt. According the the SmashWiki, even Smash 64 had IASA in some moves. Maybe Sakurai meant that it wasn't on EVERY move until Brawl? quick edit: I did some further reading on the wiki, apparently Melee IASA doesn't allow you to do everything. I'd have to test it, but the wiki specifically cites shielding as something you can't cancel into in Melee. This is in contrast to Brawl and forward, where the first active frame is the frame where you can do anything.

@@kekker_ But even with that difference, Sakurai specifically says the "concept" wasn't employed until after melee. Clearly the concept itself is present to a substantial degree in Melee, even if they wouldn't take it further until later entries. He also says you don't "regain control" until after the character returns to standby, but that's clearly false as well. To me it looks like he was just mistaken in this case. Or maybe translation weirdness? But that seems less likely to me.

@@professorc-dawgscastle8591 I would assume translation weirdness, this is big enough for him to not forget about. Maybe the sentence implied something along the lines of “this concept hasn’t fully been implemented in” instead of “this concept hasn’t been implemented” or smth Somewhat easy transition error?

I think what he tried to say is that he is talking about specifically canceling into walk as a minimum, i think for explanation purposes it is assumed that in ultimate you can cancel into anything if you can cancel into a walk. Unless in Melee and 64 you could do exactly that, which i am not sure, there's always exceptions to the rule for the sake of balancing or making something feel better

@@huevonesunltd It depends on the character, but generally you can do exactly that. Most character's IASA allows you to move before the final frame.