Yeah I kinda figured that with the amount of times they portray Lesserafim as angels basically, but there are still lots of religious and greek mythology references I missed lol. (Besides with Eve, Psyche & the Bluebeard’s wife)

Yeah, “Le sserafim” comes from Seraphim, a type of Angel in the Bible, the ones with multiple eyes and wings that say “Do not be afraid.”

@@Currentlyprocrastinating37 no no, those are the ophanim

and the bible@@strudelh

Do they even know about their MVs having symbolism in them? 💀

Preach! Usually, those who are "religious" are a bunch of hypocrites.

It’s not ridiculous.Ppl have the right to feel like it was disrespectful.

yeah as a christian I don't mind the church part, but I don't think we should get mad at the people thinking i'ts disrespectful. I'm only upset about them wearing Jesus' crown of thorns as decoration and essentially mocking His death for us.

​@@Blackswaniee_it is ridiculous because that church is no church anymore and they're not using religious themes in a literal sense. but most religious ppl tend to have room temperature iq so it's not surprising they can't grasp basic literary devices/concepts.

It's so kpoppy, it's hilarious!

Their lore is about them being fallen angels and if you are Christian you know also who is one

They mocked marry, nuns and jesus crufiction and replaced the corss with there symbol and used werid demonic eyes symbols and dressed like that in a church yeah werid

They literally mocked the Christian imaged, changed the cross to their symbol. They are making a mockery of the Lord's image

As soon as I thought "I wonder if the occult is in kpop too" I see this music video with the all seeing eye on the front thumbnail and it's like...yup

nonsense

Yeag you're nonsense ​@@gyarufangirl2680

You should not be worry about the so called Church, the place called MAIN SANCTUARY a room common used for events n concerts , take note also. The place owned by Presbyterian relig ion not a catho lic.

why they are literally called le sserafim 💀 like seraphim in the bible

@@lxttlcrow_1293 I think to make them standout? Y'know Kpop is very saturated with a lots of concept being done already, I'm so glad that this is year 2024. Imagine this the Victorian era. 💀

@@lurica5566 yeah, I watched some other videos about it, and it turns out that the church isn’t even a real church; it’s basically a film set, John Wick and other artists’ filmed MVs in there; Sabrina Carpenter and My Chemical Romance.

@@Currentlyprocrastinating37 The Sabrina Carpenter? you mean the MV feather? Girl stop mentioning that. That was a CATHO LIC , Our Lady of Mount Carmel-Annunciation Churc h is a Cat holic. Thats why the backlash is so huge, even the priest got re-consecrated. Also observed why the Los Angeles people r so chill about the LEsserafim MV, bcoz its not a Catho lic chur ch.

What they did was still disrespectful lol. And so what if its a set? Its still meant to represent a church or a synagogue

@@gyarufangirl2680 um then hate the other ppl as well? like don’t jump for le sserafim js bc they’re starting to be successful

@@kungTyeona. im not hating on anyone, all i said was that being disrespectful is disrespectful 😂

@@gyarufangirl2680 rather than being disrespectful, as a christian, i do think its more on appreciation rather than disrespectful. All the references they used were all from Catholic art, even the church set is considered art since architecture is also part of it. if this was really such a big of a deal in the catholic community. The vatican should've said something by now.

@@Sam-ol5mx what i thought was disrespectful was the way they dressed in the church... the way they used paintings and statues in the music video was very creative, and i can tell that they did a lot of reaserch. But for me, their outfits in the church were pretty provacative for no particular reason when you're supposed to dress modestly in auch a place. Yeah maybe im overreacting but for me that's something that they couldve put more thought into. Maybe they couldve been all dressed in the same outfits as certain statues instead of booty shorts with their underwear showing and crop tops...

You’re right, good catch!! 👏🏻

@@bookishtheories I think they're building a bigger theory... We theorists will be busy. Def. BTS, TXT, Enhypen, Le Sserafim will be in there. Probably all the new groups, too. Japanese &Team as opponents could be politically risky? Any idea on the villain (+ burn it) concept? It seems to run through all of it. Love your ideas! 💪 💜

@@bookishtheories I mean, Sakura has fangs, Niki teleports, horns = cat ears? = trees? BTS had guns and were villains just when the pandemic started... I think they were trying to start smth. 💜 The basketball is the moon.

@@Sherluck93 I think the basketball part was because they like the sport. But ENHYPEN does have a sport in their storyline, Nightball. Niki is a vampire and he's part of a court of knights. It's in their Webtoon. And aren't Le Sserafim hunters of some kind, they're looking for something in the Crimson Heart storyline. There are so many references to tarot. There's also a shaman, the first vampire and wolf character in ENHYPEN's storyline. It's the girl they hang out with.

@@AwakeningWings I might not have expressed myself that well. I know all that. I don't think that's it. The basketball is the moon is the golden egg, for sure. 💜

Probably that people write stupid shit about them online and it sticks to them no matter how absurd or hard they try to wash off the filth.

People are very quick to dismiss the emotions of Christians because it is Christianity. People say the fans are being too sensitive. Since when did my way of life become an aesthetic for kpop companies trying to make money? As much as people love to theorize and make interesting breakdowns on videos, the idols themselves did not state that it is what the video represents. The reality is that the ones to blame in this are not the idols or the company really, but Christians. Christians who are willing to watch videos disregarding how sacred their religion is for the sake of stanning a group. Le Sserafim are not the first musical artists to do this, and they will not be the last.

They only used a church to represent a place of worship for their symbolism. That’s it. What does a generic place of worship even look like? I’m sure SOMEONE will attribute it to a religion and get offended. So no matter what they do, people will get offended. Christianity is the most followed religion in the world, so I’m sure it will be okay.

What are their other options? Mosques are out of option as dressing like this will be considered Haram there. There aren’t many usable Hindu temples in South Korea. Buddhist Monasteries and Convents are places of meditation so they can’t utilise those. So the only option which can be used symbolically is a church.

​@@quarkoloca5832 true but Christianity is practiced differently around the world. It originally came from middle east and was changed many times while it was spreading. If we take race into consideration some races like brown and black people living in their respective regions are generally more religious and orthodox Christian than the white and in general western christians due to immense secularity, Hollywood's influence and mainstream media being ok with using religion in media however they want.(which is why islamophobia is so bad and religious imagery for mainstream media is just creatives doing whatever they want with religion in Hollywood rather than actually putting in the work to use good imagery from religion to get a point across) People in the western countries and other countries that are highly influence by America tend to be less religious in comparison to others from Africa and middleeast and some parts of Asia. People who consume Hollywood media and mainstream media in general are used to their religion being used however with barely any criticism. Yes there's been propaganda movies as well but that's a specific demographic to breed a more extremist and patriotic christian in the country who will enable any sh!t their president will do. Keep in mind, Christianity has some same scene in Korea as well due to heavy influence of American culture. Atheism is pretty big in Korea. Christians in Korea are not as religious. Few of them care as an orthodox Christians. So yeah this situation also exists. In general, if you take a temple in India and film a music video or a temple in Japan etc. just for a specific message that could have been filmed or directed differently (idk maybe something like that soyeon scene from nxde or rosè scene from duddududu where people are literally worshipping these half angels lesserafim would have done an excellent job but yeah) so what I'm saying is that it's offensive using religions as an aesthetics because mainstream art media like kpop has aesthetics as it's big part. Plus kpop companies are generally unethical corporations with less care about marginalized groups. All they want is consumer. They can easily upset their fans by doing something offensive but will barely change something unless it threatens their image. Since christians from multiethnic western countries themselves don't care much about religion then it doesn't the rest of the world is same. Its not and it's never been. Their director did not well with this imagery and it only feels weird knowing that place in general is sold by some corrupt priest to Hollywood for money and power. This shit happens destroying something that's meant for betterment and spirituality ending up in hands of bad religious people. So this was like a nuance that needs to be considered before jumping people who are criticizing lesserafim. If you remember a statue of a Hindu god that was placed in how you like that by blackpink. The Lisa's rap scene was filmed as if she was an Egyptian queen but their set designers team being idiots literally put a Hindu god's statue for aesthetics as it belonged with the theme. They literally didn't even bothered to research or just recheck the set and went with it. It was absolutely embarrassing. Similarly mosque design sets in NCT's make a wish mv was offensive as well as Holybook cover design for a group named Kingdom's comeback album. We as a consumers must be able to see and scrutinize the art we consume from these corporations that target our pockets skillfully. We must be able to distinguish between good and bad art because that literally the reason intricacies, technicality and such stuff exists in art exists. Art has also been deep as it's always been political, social and cultural. Anything beyond this is simply a product of capitalism, materialism and consumerism. Kpop is no exception to that.

That is not a church for goodness sake!!! It's a set that's been used for many horror movies. Jeez

777 is a double meaning: It's both a symbol of divine perfection associated with the holy trinity but also a positive sign meant as a message of encouragement, reassurance and divine support. A more modern-day interpretation could just mean she's super lucky. 7-7-7 Jackpot! 38 doesn't really have any real meaning that I could find but in Korean culture, 38 can be a good or bad thing. "38" usually references a person, usually a woman, who is considered cunning or sly. Usually used in a playful way but it could also be used in a negative way to imply that the person is manipulative. Or it's just a random number on a shirt! The Sacred Heart, a devotional symbol in Christianity, signifies the love and compassion of Jesus Christ. Depicted with flames, a cross, and sometimes surrounded by thorns, it holds deep spiritual meaning, especially within Catholicism. In this context, the inclusion of LSf inside repurposes the symbol to convey Le Sserafim's boundless love for their fans. It serves as a reminder of sacrifices and suffering, prompting their fans and audience to reflect and for their desire of atonement of mistakes they make along the way through love and mercy. Remember, they aren't perfect beings, they're human, too! The Eye of Providence, or the All-Seeing Eye, traditionally features a triangular shape symbolizing the Trinity and rays of light implying God's constant vigilance. In this stylized version, the trinity is omitted, and rays of light are within the eye itself. This adaptation suggests a message of uncertainty, urging individuals to be fearless and trust in themselves to overcome life's challenges, hence, the lack of protective light rays around the eye. The red color choice may imply judgment and potential adversity, shifting the meaning from protection to a warning.

​@@II-nb6ko​@II-nb6ko I already wrote a very lengthy comment including what I'm about to say but: I think the second eye isn't the all seeing eye (as I can't seem to find a triangle supporting this), but an ichthys (an ancient christian symbol of Jesus/the Church). I also think the heart could be a representation of the seven swords of sorrow which represent Mary's suffering (due to the flame and the thorn like shapes on the outside). The 777 point is strong though, I haven't noticed it until you two pointed it out.

You sound like a broken recorder. Stop being so boring and annoying. But since you're soooo disappointed, stay away from le sserafim and never come back.

I do think the same too! I dont know about the other members but one person (Eunchae) is a Christian! Mind you that K-pop is really strict and Eunchae may not have chances to speak up her opinion. or maybe they just found out about this concept after the management discuss this concept? I have lots of questions about this matter

​@@vleryne6566 EUNCHAE is Christian?