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I mean maybe but i would take it. A new form that gives me over a hundred if not a 10,000 times multiplier in all of my senses on top of already boosting my durability, strength, speed, agility, reaction time, and all I have to do is just get furious? I can get it when I have back problems when Significant people in my life go away at the very least, and that 1: solves all my back problems and makes me feel young again even if I am not 2: gives me something to work on to distract me from that loss. For all i know could have gotten the form at 4 years old

It was ssj2 part 2 but with less training before hand and without the nostalgia. They have the same principles but doing it a second time and worse just diminishes its impact even more

Even though early Buu saga Gohan is weaker than Cell saga Gohan, he’s still arguably stronger than cell by the time he fights Dabura

@realmasker8647 I mean cool, but they don't show that well. They say "oh boy, I goofed on the training" and show his Saiyaman stuff. How does that convey he's strong? Vegeta even criticizes his training in the Dabura fight saying if he trained, Dabura is light work no reaction. So it certainly doesn't show how he could be as strong as Cell era fighting Dabura. It's arguable, but you need to show me not hope I guess. Maybe that's just Japanese to English, but can we get a damn interpreter in here? I don't think it should be on Americans to read the TV and not watch the fight when the Japanese don't have to do that. They don't broadcast DBZ in English to Japan, so just properly interpret it for us then if it's like all that.

⁠@@realmasker8647gohan’s not weaker he’s the strongest during the buu saga he just wasn’t put in the main role super buu is the strongest buu form especially after he absorbs everyone kid buu is just the most chaotic or unhinged which makes him unpredictable and dangerous mf was just a gremlin the way the saga was wrote was bs

Yes.. totally ignore the fact a god was unlocking his potential. “Deserving” a power up and “working for” a power up are 2 different things. By your logic children don’t deserve to eat bc they didn’t work for it. Stray animals don’t deserve a home bc they don’t work to get one. You didn’t work to have this video made. Someone else did. So you don’t deserve to watch it. See how that doesn’t work?

You missed out on the Falconer score. Y'all pour one out for the homie

@@lamarco18it’s not gonna kill the experience

@@-jay-2993 it does for me. He'll be fine sure but it's a hard watch for me without it

Well you grew up on it, that makes sense.​@@lamarco18

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If married father's can still hit the gym a couple days a week, Gohan has zero excuse when he has a Chamber that LITERALLY alters the flow of time. Dende even took off the 48 hour limit. Vegeta been in there like a full week by now. Hell he can do his damn work in the chamber too

@@richborn6700 but he ages in there just like he would in a real year's time

​@@richborn6700 But Gohan works his dream job. It's not like Gohan can just give up his childhood dream, nor should he have to. Beside he still makes time to train. The U6 tournament was just a last minute request that couldn't be accepted due to scheduling. It's not like the stakes were high enough for Gohan to blow off the career he's been wanting since he was 4.

Bs. Gohan does train just not as much as Goku or Vegeta

That's still BS. Because given how strong they are at base, they should realistically already be Super Saiyans. They shouldn't have needed to unlock it in the first place, but since that is the route they chose to go down, then having not just SSJ, but SSJ2 be unlocked with such ease by rookies who didn't even know the form existed before Vegeta showed Cabba when it took Goku, a fighting genius, a whole year to analyze the form and his hybrid son an epiphany into rage trigger to unlock the Ascended SSJ form, is some BS.

@espurrseyes42 I thought that before too, but think about how difficult it would be for the first heart surgery. The doctor goes in with a theory and it doesn't work. He teaches the next person what went wrong for him, and the next person fails. On and on until it's so easy, literal children are doing it. So Goten and Trunks can unlock it because "it's cool, huh?" but universe 6 can't because they were taught how to do it wrong? Now you can think of the heart surgery as the introduction of new imaging techniques. It's very different way of completing it, but it's still the same task.

@@alexsmith3598 Goten and Trunks can unlock SSJ because they're fucking hybrid sons of SSJ fathers. They can go SSJ because they have the good genes that makes it easier for them to go SSJ. Caulifla doesn't. And it's not like they did anything of note with it. They fought each other in a casual match, then messed around in Fusion with it, ultimately not killing Buu and making him stronger when they got absorbed. If nothing else, them being SSJs is treated as a joke. Not something serious you should actually care about. Like Caulifla's tingly back bs, her unlocking SSJ2 shortly after SSJ, and using her forms to press a God level Goku as someone with no God power, no 1000 years of experience, no real training of any kind, or any other kind of explanation for her to be on par with someone this strong.

@@espurrseyes42 vegeta wasn't a ssj when he had trunks. Vegeta went to space and became a ssj and didn't come back until 19 and 20 showed up. He did the deed with bulma before going to space and before becoming a ssj. so how did kid trunks achieve it so easily if his dad wasn't a ssj when they were making him?

Even if vegeta couldn't go super saiyan at the time he still had an extremely high battle power for a saiyan Gohan was 9 when he turned super saiyan and goku wasnt even near the battle power of Namek Vegeta when Gohan was born Also Base Kid trunks has trained with Vegeta in the Gravity room at 150 times gravity Meanwhile Namek Goku trained at 100x and got a zenkai boost before turning super saiyan

so are you also mad at the fact that kid trunks and goten went ssj with ease and that goten got it protecting himself against chichi? cause its REALLY the same thing if not worse, we CAN use the fact that the u6 saiyans have alot more s-cells which helps with geting super-saiyan cause there a more peaceful version of the normal saiyans basically, especially when cabba and the other u6 saiyans are stronger than cell-saga gohan, so they certaintly HAVE the power to handle it, there isnt much of an issue with it

THANK YOU!! I THOUGHT I WAS CRAZY 😂 now I’m just concerned about the TOP one with Goku & Piccolo, didn’t they have a similar convo?

@@TSO_Sage no I don’t think so. I think you’re confusing it a bit because Piccolo is in a scene involving Gohan from that same arc. Don’t take my word for it tho. If you want, first look up:”Why not Gohan?” On KZfaq. I think that’s the scene you’re confusing it for. The other scene I’m referencing tho is where Gohan actually does show up and hears Piccolo’s considering joining the U6 Tournament and asks Goku if he can join for the experience. This is when he admits he’s been running the basics with Piccolo. But when Goku tells him to be ready in 4 days Gohan goes into a panic because he wants to ask Videl first, and then he’s thinking too much about Pan (like bruh, leave him at Bulma’s). THEN he says he has an academic conference he can’t miss so basically Gohan says:”On second thought I care about my family too much to go. I’m so sorry father! Goku’s like:”Uh…I mean yeah, no I don’t care if that’s important to you, go do what you gotta do.” And then Piccolo takes Gohan’s spot instead. But Piccolo never once tells Goku Gohan isn’t ready to my knowledge since he trains with him on and off. Look up:”Vegeta and Goku ask Gohan to be in the U6 Tournament.” That’s the scene I’m referencing.

@@TSO_Sage no there’s no scene with Piccolo that I’m aware of. Piccolo was just there when Gohan asked to join the U6 but Gohan quickly backed out when he realized it would’ve been in 4 Days.

Then when they recruit Piccolo, Gohan is there and says “I’ve been training with Piccolo again, are you sure you don’t want me dad?” And goku is reluctant but agrees since he sees how much Gohan wants it. Until he remembers he has actual responsibilities which Goku respects much more than his will to fight

@@santiagoespinoza-tellez yeah I wrote that out in a whole comment but it deleted for some reason. Thanks for filling that part out tho

Nah

If that's how it happened then how come characters like Gohan or Piccolo haven't done the same? They've been around god forms much more than Trunks has and they haven't got any god ki.

@@lukasruston8618 Gohan doesn't want to learn God Ki saying he wants to find his own path to power. Piccolo isn't a saiyan and the god ki was unlocked from a saiyan ritual could likely be different from what Piccolo can use, probably not greatly different, like the difference between spring water and filtered water.

@@Koppu1doragon Okay? How does that disprove my point in any way? If you're trying to imply that Trunks willingly absorbed it then how could he do that when he can't even sense God Ki? If you're not trying to imply that Trunks willingly absorbed it then there's nothing wrong with what I said before.

ME. TOO. 😂😂

Rage was in fact not defended

I can, trunks got really really really really really mad and started raging all over the place

@@3clisp315he wasn’t wrong tho 👀

Well trunks is one of the few z fighters to lose everyone in a no dragon ball setting. So off that alone. Makes more sense than beast. Damn near the same thing. Another line of thinking. Is fabricating that you always thought that grade 3 trunks got way too many comparisons to broly. This was definitely an opinion like raging blast era. Trunks is teen gohan and broly is the yamcha that got penetrated by toj-gero. But Yk what at least trunks actually fought vegeta and goku competitively -piccolo was still very garbage and special Beamer reliant -gotenks got riggity wrecked in base -trunks couldnt see the himothy aura from gohan no mo. I still don’t. Goku was Uber trolling and sandbagging like hell.

I feel like rage could be justified if trunks had got the form in Z instead of super cuz it would pretty much be a rage boost just like gohan but now we have to believe trunks is just super duper mad this time compared to when his entire timeline got destroyed by androids 😂

He said he practices every once and a while

But 17 didn't really train, right?

@@Bendanna93 in the manga he trained with cell juniors, in the anime it was just fighting animals, poachers and training solo. Do you remember what freezas training was?

​@@mrhopadopalusfighting one of his goons

@@liamroma3677 more like beating the shit out of him 😂, but yeah it wasn't like significantly more complex or harsh than what 17 was doing, and freeza only did it 4 months.

Frieza was stated to be a being with high potential thats not the case for 17

Ultra instinct is random and stupid.

@@darronwilliams4641 W hating, unfortanately thats cap is Ultra instinct is top 3 form in the franchise.

@@darronwilliams4641want to say why ?

@@kaienglish271 uhh because it literally comes outta nowhere after brief mentions. Its never talked abt through dragon ball nor dragon ball z. It was made up to randomly sell toys in super. Just like every other stupid transformation color swap they give characters now. Its all to sell toys. Not make sense

@@darronwilliams4641 it’s like you haven’t payed attention to DB or the Video explaining where UI came from Beerus first mentions it , then Whis is LITERALLY training them to learn UI and even if we use the manga all his past teacher taught him aspects of it 😂Just because they didn’t call it UI specifically doesn’t mean it had no foreshadowing

100% agree. It would be more believable if they actually gave gohan more to do in the story and gave him more screen time but nah gohan slacks off in training and when he does train he surpasses goku doing the most basic training. Goku trains with God's and angels btw and is more consistent but gohan fans will just lean on potential to explain away all the asspull of beast.

Except he doesn't...even has a family. His "training" consists of poachers with tanks and guns, last time I checked, that's like Kid Goku vs Red Ribbon scaling.

@@Jetblast01 Goku, Vegeta and the others train by themselves a lot of times tooks just punching the air and sparring

@@AlanLiebheartYeah, in like gravity chambers or weighted gear.

@@Jetblast01 Um no. In regular places. That was Goku's training a lot of times in OG DB, during the 5 years right before DBZ, during the 3 years before the androids, etc. He also spars with Whis in base form, not even going super saiyan. If anything, DBS has shown you can get stronger even if you're not training at full power. So 17 deserves it.

@@AlanLiebheartThat's some Luffy levels of reach there...

Isn’t SSJ Rage anime only transformation?

It was Verbally Explained in the movie, and People said it wasn't a good enough reason. People need to understand Gohan Isn't Goku, Gohan Trains and Fights outta necessity.

@@Synical02 I thought that would be the case thanks for reminding me

​@@Synical02No one's saying he needs to train like goku, they want him to be his cell saga self, someone who maintains himself a fights to protect which hasn't done in years since he's so dismissive when piccolo tells him that goku and vegeta won't always be around.

@@TrueReverse74 Yea I know, but he literally saids he's kept up his training. He's been training since the Rof beast was alluded to In super, and you See him and Piccolo show up to fight moro showing he's still been training because Moro is after the Top ,and Broly then he was absent from Granolah which makes sense . So he's been showing it .. Like the Evidence is quite literally Right there I think people just don't like the fact he's done it in secret.

​@@Synical02well they don't accept it because it's poor writing, they could just as easy shown glimpses of Gohun training or give indication of him progressing. That's why it's considered an asspull you only get one line of dialogue which is dismissive at best.

Yeah but the problem is that it is constantly reiterated that gohan slacks off on his training when goku and vegeta are literally training all the time and fighting all the time. It's more believable when vegeta does it because it's actually established multiple times that vegeta trains just as much and sometimes more than goku. Vegeta literally sees gokus gains and says ight bet ima do what he's doing. Ima do something new and train with God's. Gohan does all the same training from Z. No new teachers, no new training method. Is on and off with his training and is usually forgotten in most arcs.

@@AndreJones-wh2pc Yea that's true, But people seem to forget most Forms are NOT gained through Training Strictly. Only 3 Forms were Gained through Training. Mainly every other Form was gained from Strong Emotions or some ritual I think DB needs to Dedicate an Episode to Sayian Biology. I also hope people know UI,and UE arent new forms.

@narcoticlilac6588 I agree with that. I'm not mad at the form itself. But it just seems like out of nowhere gohan just woke up 1 morning and decided to be the strongest. It's just that the power jumps from a character who isn't nearly half as consistent in his training as the 2 guys who train with God's and angels and are constantly on the front lines fighting the strongest guys and gohan is a no show for the majority of arcs. At this point gohans potential is being used as a weak plot device.

We are talking about a fictional world where a character can be a 0 then go straight to being the strongest because said character is special... Welcome to the world of anime, superheroes and science fiction. I don't get why people are so upset about such things. Gohan literally did this all the time in Z. Nothing new.

​@@leopoldwebster1130 Except in Z he earned his power most of the time. Gohan had instances when he became the strongest but they were just that, instances. The point throughout the story is that gohan could only be the strongest by tempering himself to use that rage to his advantage. He injured raditz, and hit on frieza but those were never gonna be the reasons he could beat them. It took goku training Gohan to understand his power, use it efficiently and THEN get mad after 16's pep talk. That's what a story arc is. Saying "It's fiction so we shouldn't think" is just a stupid cop out of an arguement

im just a lowly youtuber man but i do actually wanna see manga… however bluer vegeta SUCKS!

uh, zenkai's can only be aquired/gain'd just from sayians or a saiyan hybrid...please just watch the series abit or somethin

i can TRY to give a decentish explanation to why she was able to get it, shes stronger then gohan when he was ssj2, in her base, so she has the power requirement, and because of S-cells, and how they work the more peaceful or some bullcrap someone is, because universe 6 saiyans are more peaceful saiyans without tails, they can also go ssj easier cause of this fact, so to say it simply, they are quite litterly made for going into forms faster and better then the standard saiyan

the universe 6 sayians have more S-cells cause there a more peaceful variant of the saiyan race basically, this HELPS them transform, also with the fact that apparently cabba is stronger then cell-saga gohan, so uh yeah they definitely have the power, and bs s-cell requirement like kid trunks just pulled it out of no-where, think about how goku went into ssj2 within the time-skip afterwards the cell saga, its so obvious you don't NEED to have rage or any true type of emotions for the super saiyan forms, but they do help

@@OnlySayori goku, future trunks, vegeta, and Gohan are all examples of why strong emotions like rage boosts are needed for a saiyan’s power like that. S-cells is such a dumb concept to write these characters in the power scale high enough to matter to the story. Just because it’s an explanation doesn’t mean it’s a good one. Awful writing choices, and even buu saga is at fault of smth like that because of goku’s ssj2

frieza and 17 aren’t exactly the same thing. 17’s potential isn’t hinted to until the day we hear dende just say he’s strong. tbh it’s poorly explained all around & we have to infer things. but with frieza we’ve not only heard about him being a prodigy on multiple occasions, but flagrantly see he’s a novice and he even says he was just born strong. 17s is much more random with granted a somewhat logical reason, still heavily unearned. he’s cool but we ain’t gotta play pretend, especially if you’re a person who doesn’t like frieza & both of Gohans, to then think 17s is the best explained/earned is just inconsistent also hes absurdly strong for 0 reason other than moving the story. being stronger than cell or even buu isn’t triggering, in fact that’d be more believable i can admit. but he’s MUCH stronger for again 0 reason. his thing is infinite stamina moreso than latent potential so im supposed to believe a warrior like tien with just unlimited senzu could be god if not blue level in a decade? mind you super is more 4-5 years after Z rather than the full 10. hell the idea that all along vs Beerus , 17 would’ve put up a significantly better fight is nasty 😂 even the manga makes him a bit weaker & handle Cell Jrs, because of how odd taming animal poachers = mid God to low Blue level is. it’s not good but to be fair to toriyama if someone had to get absurdly strong for the TOP offscreen, 17 & buu were likely the best candidates.

17 most definetly trained and sense he has infinite stamina and crap and had years worth of training is way better and made some sorta sense then freiza deciding to just be like "hmph fine gues i'll train to reach my ✨golden✨ racist form"

SSJ3 was unlocked via some special circumstances. I don't think Trunks would've been able to get it.

@@espurrseyes42 I’m not saying he should get ssj3 I’m saying he should be as strong or even stronger then ssj3

The Future Version of characters seem to just be weaker and have less Potential like Future Gohan who is like weaker then 50% of Future 17 who is weaker then present 17.

Trunks as a ssj 2 in the manga was stronger than ssj3 goku so there's that

I think people are missing that he literally said he was training in secret later. He clearly wasn’t slacking nearly as much as the Frieza fight, and you could still see Gohan was ripped. Gohan’s hurdle in the movie was less his physicality and more his mentality. He even adapted to the weighted clothes quickly