Breaking in your KYOSHO Nitro Car | Ft. Inferno Neo 3.0

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TheRCBiker

TheRCBiker

4 жыл бұрын

In this video I show you my 5 tank standard break in process, that can be used for any Nitro Engine. In this video I'm using the awesome 1/8 Inferno Buggy from Kyosho.
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@garyfaulk5250
@garyfaulk5250 2 жыл бұрын
Have coming in two days and this was very helpful. Being in RC nitro for about 10 years and it never gets old 👍
@4sixrc143
@4sixrc143 2 жыл бұрын
I ordered this same buggy. Supposed to be here tomorrow. First nitro. Can’t wait!
@rodneyjoshua2185
@rodneyjoshua2185 6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much man, got one of these bad boys as a gift, wasn't quite sure how to break in, completely new to nitro 😅, this video will help a lot, god bless you man 🙏🔥
@johndecline4483
@johndecline4483 4 жыл бұрын
Love your videos, been in the hobby since 1986(yes I’m old) but enjoy seeing you keep our hobby alive and bringing it to the next generation. Thumbs up from across the pond (Long Island New York)
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you John :) Isn't it 3AM over there?!
@johndecline4483
@johndecline4483 4 жыл бұрын
Yep. It was after 3am
@BcHmF
@BcHmF 4 жыл бұрын
Man I wish one of my friends would be THAT engaged with RC as you are. :D
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
;)
@mcnitro874
@mcnitro874 3 жыл бұрын
Legend 👏👏 you have walked me through my RC hobby for years thanks for your videos they have been very helpful bro🤟
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to help
@Sinasi08
@Sinasi08 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video!!! 👌
@ramagakure5269
@ramagakure5269 4 жыл бұрын
I like this channel. Whatever videos are uploaded, everything is explained in detail. Greetings from indonesia.
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for tuning in ! :)
@cetGT3
@cetGT3 4 жыл бұрын
Kkyosho are all about miniature precision and reliability! Thanks for the vid
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes I agree. Shame they couldn't stretch to a steel spur gear on this one though, stripped itself after a few jumps!
@cetGT3
@cetGT3 4 жыл бұрын
TheRCBiker ohh damn...upgrade maybe
@rockrollarc9792
@rockrollarc9792 4 жыл бұрын
Oo looking foward to bashing video Great video as usual
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@andrisak4795
@andrisak4795 4 жыл бұрын
that bodyshell looks awesome!!
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed! :)
@stabilo3821
@stabilo3821 4 жыл бұрын
Nice video man keep it going .I also have an inferno mp7.5 with a gxr 28 on it and it has been a really pain as i have blown it up two times until now😥 and i have almost never achieved a good tune because of some leaks i suppose .But i will fix it again and follow some of your instructions too as i have learned many things and i cant wait to watch the tuning video of this kyosho
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't actually done a tuning video of this one as I've done loads of tuning vids before, it's all the same process :) Have fun !
@RafaelSantos-qn7gk
@RafaelSantos-qn7gk 3 жыл бұрын
Whatsup bro, just letting you know that I followed your procedure to break in my kyosho foxx2.0. It’s all perfect. Tkx
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome, good to hear
@abdullakc
@abdullakc 3 жыл бұрын
I miss rc. Their sound is so great
@nitrorcmaff468
@nitrorcmaff468 4 жыл бұрын
That car looks awesome😀😀😄😃
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Sure does! :)
@Einsteindks27
@Einsteindks27 2 жыл бұрын
What I used to use was 3 tanks of dead rich, full throttle run where the buggy could only roll at 5-10mph, at best due to dead rich. Lots of lube gets through the engine, kept cool. The 4th tank is spent getting it to 80% of tune. 5th tank, 1st half is getting it tuned, then the 2nd half is fun time.
@smOOdiebOOdie
@smOOdiebOOdie 4 жыл бұрын
I love the Kyosho Inferno platform. This new Neo is so beautiful :D Love the tires! I have a all greened out MP9 tki3 and my friend has a Neo 2.0. Awesome times when were driving :D Greetings from Sweden! Btw, you should get a Zoom voice recorder or something with a dead cat so we can here your voice better outside :)
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you I am using a Rode Microphone with a Dead cat, it was just a very windy day which obviously proved too much for it!
@michaelpinto639
@michaelpinto639 2 жыл бұрын
Hello, Love your videos and have been following them for break-in and tuning! You have been very helpful. I'm also new into nitro and I just bought this model. I followed everything exactly as you have done with it, however, when I give it half throttle, it only moves a little bit. I tried adjusting the high-speed needle to lean it out slightly and the engine cut out. I have not adjusted the needles otherwise since it is a new model. any suggestions here as I go to tanks 5 and 6 Thanks!
@jacksrccars347
@jacksrccars347 4 жыл бұрын
I would love one of these . Had my eyes on one for a while 👍 great video mate 👍
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed!
@chapman7804
@chapman7804 4 жыл бұрын
Firstly you’ve come along way since when you first started out. It’s an absolute pleasure to watch your vlogs. Could you please do a video on both buggy’s. Hobao and khyosho on speed test runs and handling and anything else you’d like to test them for. I’m interested in buying one or the other thanks mate keep up the great work
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind comment glad you enjoy them ! Kyosho Inferno vs Hyper 7 you mean? :)
@chapman7804
@chapman7804 4 жыл бұрын
TheRCBiker sorry the hyper SS 👍🏼
@chapman7804
@chapman7804 4 жыл бұрын
Would like to know the performance of both cars and which one out of the two you would prefer then that would be the buggy I’ll purchase. Thanks again 🚗
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
I couldn't really compare this with the Hyper SS Truggy as they're different platforms, Buggies are more agile and quicker than truggies. Truggies have bigger wheels & larger ground clearance so you can go a bit further off road with them. The Kyosho is a great car, it just needs a steel spur gear. I had to upgrade mine straight away as the plastic one stripped :) I think you get more for your money with Hobao.
@chapman7804
@chapman7804 4 жыл бұрын
TheRCBiker yes I see your point. Thanks again for the info. They are both nice RC cars I will look into it a bit more. will you be doing another video on both cars for performance of your choice
@shaanali6866
@shaanali6866 4 жыл бұрын
NICE ✌️
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the visit
@riverotterluresericdenson9216
@riverotterluresericdenson9216 2 жыл бұрын
Just got one of these. Do you leave the air filter cover on after break-in?
@barfly246
@barfly246 2 жыл бұрын
the high-end and low-end needle doesn't need adjusting between tanks??
@mattwalters6614
@mattwalters6614 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, I’m on my third tank break in ( I did 2 at idle) and on a 1/4 throttle the car won’t pull away… could you help please?
@caseybranowitzer2485
@caseybranowitzer2485 3 жыл бұрын
What is the electric starter part number or name of the drill starter for kyosho engines? Please help can’t find
@bulletgt3
@bulletgt3 2 жыл бұрын
Traxxas uses this type of break-in procedure, seems to work very well for all nitro engines?
@rajivk4705
@rajivk4705 4 жыл бұрын
Gr8 video as usual man. When you will make videos on the baja 1/5th? 😄😄
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Coming soon. Did you see the video I uploaded last night of the little edit ? :)
@antoniobove9827
@antoniobove9827 5 ай бұрын
What percent nitro do you use for running in the engine?
@randywessels9703
@randywessels9703 2 жыл бұрын
What nitro fuell is good ? 16% ? 20% ? 25 % ?
@G3orge3670
@G3orge3670 3 жыл бұрын
Is the camera nitro powered
@jordanscott8573
@jordanscott8573 4 жыл бұрын
Nice one josh. I’m interested in how you mounted your go pro on the remote control!
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Just a sticky mount and an extension thingy! Wasn't overly successful :(
@aleksandervansanten9957
@aleksandervansanten9957 4 жыл бұрын
I always love looking your videos. Can you buy a Reely X generation nitro 1/8
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Do you mean the Reely rex x?
@jasong728
@jasong728 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, understood the break in, nice and clear. Did you use or remove the kyosho supplied break in disk ? Can you tell me LSN factory setting? Is it flush with the black housing? I've checked the manual and tried google , but nothing as far as # turns out, have read in general, its flush with black housing. Any way to check how many turns out your LSN is on your inferno? Thank you very much. Keep up the great tutorial videos.
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad it helped. Flush with housing for LSN usually works for most engines yes. On mine I'd say it's about half a turn out from flush :)
@rayburney7329
@rayburney7329 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRCBiker Great video--very helpful! Did you use the supplied Kyosho break-in disk?
@jamiepaine2466
@jamiepaine2466 4 жыл бұрын
Great video I have pre orders one of these for the 7th of July are u going to do a tuning video for this car as it will really help me out 😁
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Jamie, I wasn't planning to because I've done so many tuning vids in the past :) And the process is all the same!
@jamiepaine2466
@jamiepaine2466 4 жыл бұрын
TheRCBiker ok roughly how many turns past flush it’s the best place
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
There's no such thing as a best place, fuel type, glow plug, outdoor temperature just to name a few are factors that influence optimum setting I could have three identical engines but they may all require a different setting Watch my videos and tune it according to how it's running
@jamiepaine2466
@jamiepaine2466 4 жыл бұрын
TheRCBiker ok thanks
@rickgrafter
@rickgrafter 4 жыл бұрын
nice
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Richard
@Jojo-iz2lr
@Jojo-iz2lr 4 жыл бұрын
Hello, I start in thermal and my engine takes its turns and idles well but smokes much more than in the video with fuel droplets coming out of the exhaust, the other day I burned two new glowplug in 1 only full ... I don't really see where it comes from, the mid range niddle ? thanks you (i have a 3,5cc motor)
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Jojo, it sounds like it's running rich. Fouling plugs and spitting fuel are both normal during break in, but if you're getting through plugs like that you might need to lean it out a bit. Probably on the HSN.
@the_rc_addict7209
@the_rc_addict7209 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on how to fix half lean tank issue on a HPI savage ?
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
What do you mean half lean ?
@seaneff28
@seaneff28 3 жыл бұрын
Im completely new to nitro. How do you know when its perfectly tuned in or youre on the "right spot" ? Also when do you now when its ready for bashing? Do i have to put some 4w to protect the engine or components from dirt?
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, what is 4w? It'll be tuned properly when it's running at good temperature and "sounds" good. You can also go by the amount of smoke being emitted from the exhaust. If you watch some of my bashing videos you'll see some engines that are tuned reasonably well
@ly8370
@ly8370 3 жыл бұрын
TheRCBiker, after the first tank, I will turn the high-speed needle back to factory setting for the 2nd tank?
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 3 жыл бұрын
No, no need to do that
@ly8370
@ly8370 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRCBiker So the needle is only needed to adjust if I don't see a trail of blue smoke from the exhaust on my first tank?
@andybutcher72
@andybutcher72 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Josh. Can I run my 4 double A batteries straight to my receiver box and bypass the on and off switch? Due to hard bashing n jumps,.sometimes my servos twitch and its as off there's interference. Dodgy switch im sure. Any other suggestions? Cheers. Nitro newbee
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Yes you can
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
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@zmgkndhfubdjdugdyjfjduxn
@zmgkndhfubdjdugdyjfjduxn 4 жыл бұрын
Hi i’m quite new here. On average how long does a nitro engine last if your using every weekend? Ive read some where it can last around 8 gallons or less. Is this true?
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Difficult to say but if you look after them they'll last years!! In terms of fuel amount it's pretty hard to say. 8 gallons is about 35 litres which is about 7 bottles of Nitro. That is quite a lot of fuel for such a small engine! But it will take you surprisingly a long time to work through 8 gallons!
@hkaydcc6219
@hkaydcc6219 4 жыл бұрын
Just bought it today. I don’t want to use AA batteries. Do you recommend a battery pack for it?
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Any 6v Hump Pack will be fine :)
@thomasbrassington9173
@thomasbrassington9173 4 жыл бұрын
Ok so i have a problem, when i take out the glow starter the car comes to a bog and cuts off. Any suggestions?
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
It'll either be a dodgy glow plug or too rich Low speed needle setting
@thomasbrassington9173
@thomasbrassington9173 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheRCBiker ok thanks
@gerardobarone2047
@gerardobarone2047 4 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video where you show how to clean the air filter of this beautiful car? Thank you in advance!
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 3 жыл бұрын
Just remove it and wash it in Nitro!
@gerardobarone2047
@gerardobarone2047 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRCBiker Thank you! So I don't have to use any kind of air filter oil?
@lifeless117
@lifeless117 3 жыл бұрын
What nitro would you recommend inferno neo 3.0 or inferno mp9 tki4? One is 349.99 USD (neo) other is 474.99 USD (mp9).
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 3 жыл бұрын
I've not had the MP9. But the Neo 3.0 was good, although I'd look into getting a Hyper 7 instead as IMO you get more for your money.
@kamikazekaos
@kamikazekaos 4 жыл бұрын
Are the car parks always empty when Bournemouth fc playing yesterday 🤣, just joking. Anyway I like would you to mention every car specs like its ... clutch bell/spur/gear sizes etc, because I think its good to know . Last thing can try to swap different size clutchbell overs to see it advantages.
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Haha, I would stay away on match days! I can talk about more in depth but just cautious of making the video too long with too much waffle!
@dlyanmoreida588
@dlyanmoreida588 4 жыл бұрын
I have been trying to run an old mugen sieki mbx-4 and i realized that the exhaust is flooded with tons of fuel. Do you know what the problem is?
@dlyanmoreida588
@dlyanmoreida588 4 жыл бұрын
the car wont start either.
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Hi there When you say exhaust is flooded... what do you mean? Sounds like the carb is set extremely rich thus sending too much fuel through to the engine. Or, fuel is travelling down the back pressure line to the exhaust. Do you have the fuel lines connected up correctly?
@dlyanmoreida588
@dlyanmoreida588 4 жыл бұрын
I was able to turn my car on it’s side and pour tons of nitro out of the exhaust. My fuel lines are set up properly.
@dlyanmoreida588
@dlyanmoreida588 4 жыл бұрын
TheRCBiker replaced the fuel and it started up nicely 😉
@Product_One_Creative
@Product_One_Creative 4 жыл бұрын
Hello. Does anyone know the default settings for the needles on this car. I would like to reset the high speed and low speed. I didn’t touch the low speed but I want to make sure it is set properly. It’s not in the manual. Thank you in advance. Thank you for this video. Do you do consulting @thercbiker
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
If you haven't touched the Low speed and the engine is running OK then do not touch it... The factory settings are only "safe" settings, they rarely are the best settings for the engine. HSN not sure on defaults but flush it to edges and do 1 turn in, and then just tune for performance
@Product_One_Creative
@Product_One_Creative 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very very much for your reply. Thank you for your videos. You are excellent.
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
no worries :) make sure you're subscribed, more content coming!
@chick262
@chick262 3 жыл бұрын
Is this how you do it for all nitros
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@eduardoramirez2232
@eduardoramirez2232 4 жыл бұрын
What would you recommend for a not that expensive rc nitro car
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
What's the budget? :)
@eduardoramirez2232
@eduardoramirez2232 4 жыл бұрын
TheRCBiker around 200 -300 something around there
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Nice, you can't go wrong with a Hyper 7! www.modelsport.co.uk/hobao-hyper-7-tq2-rtr-buggy-with-hyper-21-turbo-engine-2-4ghz-radio-black/rc-car-products/403868
@eduardoramirez2232
@eduardoramirez2232 4 жыл бұрын
TheRCBiker Thank you 🙏 and keep up the good videos
@carlpollock5224
@carlpollock5224 4 жыл бұрын
What is a better brand Kyosho or Traxxas ?
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Kyosho I've never been a massive fan of Traxxas
@ejb2184
@ejb2184 3 жыл бұрын
Mine came with a break in ring did you use yours
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 3 жыл бұрын
Yes :)
@ejb2184
@ejb2184 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@hov3r905
@hov3r905 4 жыл бұрын
What are your settings?
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
my settings won't work for you Return your carb to factory settings and then tune for performance according to my videos
@dailyriddenhorses7665
@dailyriddenhorses7665 4 жыл бұрын
I am here
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Good man!
@dimi911
@dimi911 4 жыл бұрын
Just 1 tank at iddle seems too short to me..I always run at least 5 tanks at idle (allowing to cool down between tanks), then start slow driving for another 3-5 tanks, before progressively leaning the engine and running it faster. All in, probably 15 tanks before I go full throttle. I know it's probably OTT but never had an engine blowing up in 16 years and the engines last very long
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
In my honest opinion it is very OTT but of course is up to you :) We all achieve the same result in the end. These ABC type engines actually need very little break in, hence why some manufacturers (traxxas included) have you driving the car on the first tank!
@dimi911
@dimi911 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheRCBiker well coming from an engineering background, most companies nowadays tell the customer what they want to hear, hence running in tends to disappear as a process, even on new cars. Agree, manufacturing technology has progressed etc but at the end of the day, engines, machines in general are still not made of cryptonite. Personally, I tend to take extra care and over-service stuff. The only trouble I've ever had with nitro engines is with ones I've bought second hand. To me, the running in period is the most important part that will ultimately determine how easy the engine will be to start in the future and how long it will last. But I accept everyone is different
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
@@dimi911 I agree.. you certainly can't go wrong by doing more tanks than what they say. I do always stress that 5 tanks is the minimum and it's still very "new" after that. I do find myself running it rich and avoiding long stretches of full throttle for at least another 3 tanks after :)
@adamlitho6448
@adamlitho6448 4 жыл бұрын
I JUST BROKE MY THROTTLE SERVO GOD DAMN IT.
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Did it go running off?
@adamlitho6448
@adamlitho6448 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheRCBiker nope luckly
@adamlitho6448
@adamlitho6448 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheRCBiker im gonna make a video on it :)
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
@@adamlitho6448 Very lucky!
@adamspitfire
@adamspitfire 4 жыл бұрын
Do you make a break in for every nitro car? XD
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
I'm just working my way through the different manufacturers processes ;) It's these kind of videos that bring new people to the channel!
@adamspitfire
@adamspitfire 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheRCBiker true
@eliglbe
@eliglbe 4 жыл бұрын
For over 15 years I've never broke in a nitro engine and not a problem,X 5 cars...
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Yes you're not the first person to tell me that! :)
@rayman1738
@rayman1738 4 жыл бұрын
You lucky sonofa..... 😁 actually engine break in is a must. Cost me an engine once before. A very good lesson for me
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
@@rayman1738 I was considering buying a cheap rc car and not breaking it in to see what happened :)
@djgzone1811
@djgzone1811 3 жыл бұрын
Mate are you going to response to me are not I told you I need a second Nitro car to buy
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 3 жыл бұрын
I don't have any cars for sale.
@djgzone1811
@djgzone1811 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheRCBiker ok boss
@chrismaffett1973
@chrismaffett1973 4 жыл бұрын
5 tanks is not enough. You should run 2 tanks for every step. Try it. Itll help with your gas mileage and performance
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
5 tanks has worked fine for the 100+ engines I've broken in... On the contrary some people say they've never broken in their engine and never had an issue!
@chrismaffett1973
@chrismaffett1973 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheRCBiker probably because you just bash and dont race. So you dont have your engine under a lot of strain for 45 minutes up to an hour.
@evankawi4219
@evankawi4219 2 ай бұрын
You never say what percent nitro you're using? Watch so many videos. Nobody does
@jakobskaar6868
@jakobskaar6868 4 жыл бұрын
First to comment!
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for tuning in :)
@timothysmith7266
@timothysmith7266 4 жыл бұрын
I have a question i have a tmaxx i haven't use it in a long time but when i try to start it up it wont start when i do get it started up it has a hesitation or and a delay in movement
@timothysmith7266
@timothysmith7266 4 жыл бұрын
What should i do to get it started up again
@jimelliott33
@jimelliott33 3 жыл бұрын
Break in is a complete myth, same with cars and bikes, in actual fact you’ll achieve better compression and a higher performing engine as a result if you just put the engine under load, if you idle an engine you polish the bores and this is not the best surface for compression, the rings need to seat in the bores and this only happens under high load, when the cylinder pressures rise the rings expand and seat causing them to wear and seat to the bore to provide good compression, this won’t happen once they are polished and tempered from excessive idle, I would only ever idle for 5 mins to warm the engine, then give it some stick!!
@TheRCBiker
@TheRCBiker 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say "complete myth" is entirely accurate I've broken in hundreds of engines various different ways and never had any adverse affects
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