Breaking Out of the Prison of Self-Invention

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3 жыл бұрын

Friends, we must break free of the prison of our own subjectivity, from which we have little choice but to hurl invective at one another. We have to get beyond the valorization of our own feelings and ideas and enter into a journey of exploration together. But this requires that we first recognize the objectivity of truth and moral values.
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@melaniegriesemer 3 жыл бұрын

“In the very act of articulating the objection to objective value, you implicitly affirm objective value” wow this is so true!

@ginacc1999 3 жыл бұрын

this is good and in the morning, i'll try to think of a way to restate this in simpler terms.

@ginacc1999 3 жыл бұрын

i found it in some other replies: "Indeed, if we do not see beyond our own petty likes and needs, we are trapped within those tiny prisons." So often I see that "... those little prisons of self invention either lead to narcissism or depression."

@pedrovillalobos6221 3 жыл бұрын

Not true, this weirdly implies that the only motive for objecting to something is having an objective reason for it.

@musicarroll 3 жыл бұрын

@@pedrovillalobos6221 He didn't say that one is always explicitly aware of the underlying objective value. Btw, you yourself just made the same error by using the little word "true" (in its negated form).

@pedrovillalobos6221 3 жыл бұрын

@@musicarroll Eh? what does being aware of it factors in what I said? And using the word "true" doesn't imply objective value because not all propositions are value judgments.

@wreloise1 3 жыл бұрын

By the guidance of the Holy Spirit…breaking out of my subjective apprehensions and Desiring to grow in the wealth of Catholicism 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾

@widdershins7628 3 жыл бұрын

I'm with you, brother. I was a prisoner of fear and the lessons of the Spirit are so easy to grasp but painful to put into practice. God bless you on your journey.

@bottomhead2518 3 жыл бұрын

I've taught for eight years, and one of my favorite things to do is teach the difference between art and entertainment. Most of the argument I get from students is not on what art is but on there being no difference at all. But one of the differences that emerges is that of value.

@piva1358 3 жыл бұрын

Isn't rethorics wonderful? when someone who has studied can sustain an argument by using the opponents argument itself? The Bishop rocks!!!

@marypinakat8594 3 жыл бұрын

@@joea5626 Who says Comments Section is for dialoguing? You also think it is the place for harassing. Who are you? I mean your identity or Profile?

@anniebanderet 2 жыл бұрын

Always on point!

@arturomorelli8150 3 жыл бұрын

Every single inhabitant of western civilization needs to hear this. God Bless you!

@seand2328 2 жыл бұрын

It's a good video, but it raises some other questions. I really like the Bishop, but let's not crown him with many crowns just yet :)

@funkyboy_22 3 жыл бұрын

Subjective values and truths leave one inside an ivory tower, a vacuum where our thoughts and feelings echo endlessly to ourselves. To leave the ivory tower, much like how the man who left Plato's cave, indeed does allow us to abandon our shadowy, myopic subjectivity and see the outside world in which objective truth and understanding fully liberates us. Wonderful video, Bishop Barron! I absolutely adore these bits of wisdom you upload every so often.

@PS3isawesome34 3 жыл бұрын

I liked your analogy of the problem of purely subjective values alot. Insightful - thanks for sharing

@adamdonovan5633 3 жыл бұрын

A MasterClass in ethics, morality and aesthetics in 10 min!! Magnificent! Bishop B. is THE MAN!!

@user-pc8dl4cy3i 3 жыл бұрын

“Suffocating subjectivism.” It is a prison wherein the inmates think they are free. Wonderful teaching, Bishop Barron. Thank you.

@seand2328 2 жыл бұрын

I agree subjectivism is suffocating. An overly rigid "objectivity" is suffocating as well. What allows for diverging perspectives without sliding into out and out subjectivity? What do you think? I don't know the answer.

@Butterfly-if1qs 2 жыл бұрын

thank you for giving such useful meaning to "objectivity".

@jonasbaes3914 3 жыл бұрын

"... the objective value....ought to awaken a subjective value response...", a gem of a thought from van Hildebrandt, perfectly said by the great Bishop!

@dwdetroit1 3 жыл бұрын

I just had this chat with my kids, they will be better served with Bishop Barron’s comments. Wof is such a gift to all of us.

@rodolfodiaz5695 3 жыл бұрын

What a great and necesary reflection...prayers for this message gets through the subjectiveness of todays world...

@jsathishpaul 3 жыл бұрын

"The purpose of education is to get the student to like or dislike what s/he ought." that's the takeaway. 🧡💪

@chrisclarke4700 3 жыл бұрын

I think that statement is potentially very dangerous... To like or dislike what they ought to... If the dialogue is just one way (teacher --} student) this is really a only a recipe for indoctrination.

@michaelmicek 3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisclarke4700 one of the most important things is to like thinking critically and dislike being indoctrinated.

@michaelmicek 3 жыл бұрын

Mortimer Adler identified as the one self-evident (contained in the meaning of the words themselves) moral principle that one should want what one needs (one's own good). Yes, if through ignorance or ill will the teacher doesn't teach a foundation of what is good and how to build on the foundation then they fail to educate, but that doesn't change the purpose of education.

@ginacc1999 3 жыл бұрын

@jaffa 360 exactly. CRT?

@dandenecke2185 3 жыл бұрын

As a music teacher of almost 30 years, I insist to my students that I am not trying shape their preferences, but simply leading them to understanding of a previously unknown (to them) masterwork, lest I be perceived as a salesperson rather than a teacher. Of course I hope that understanding will shape their preferences toward desiring to use the word sublime over pretty. As a Catholic deacon of just under 3 years, I pray and hope that I can lead the faithful to deeper understanding that leads one to a faith in which one sublimely encounters the One. And no hiding it, I am trying get people to buy into the Christian faith.

@banquo80s99 3 жыл бұрын

WOW. The clarity of Bp's words could have never been better. It's as if he put into words this profound idea I have been struggling to put together in my own words. All the best, Bishop from the Phils.!

@annekelly968 3 жыл бұрын

This talk hits the nail on the head for me. We need to be taken into such discussion to look at the deeper meaning of our lives and the lives of those around us.

@totustuustotalmentetuyo 3 жыл бұрын

Agree so much, Bishop Barron. I see this in my culture, community, and friends/family. Good to know how to identify it and respond to it.

@jenniferberry8253 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, that’s the best argument against relativism I’ve ever heard. 🤯 Thank you, Bishop Barron!

@ellan0r 3 жыл бұрын

I enjoy watching such videos. Really reminds me that faith can (and should be) consistent with reason.

@proverbios1820 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bishop Barron and God bless you and your work! I was recently reflecting on something similar to your talk with two of my children. I am a high school principal and I posed the question, "So if a student of mine feels and/or identifies as a graduate, then what should stop me from giving them a high school diploma even though the student hasn't completed the requirements for completing the diploma?" Blessings to everyone!

@rmuller366 3 жыл бұрын

God bless any teacher attempting to educate the subjective prisoner. I pray for their patience and tolerance! Thank you Bishop Barron. Very much appreciated. Blessings to all!

@Chloeayoy 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the invention of the "psychology man" was the beginning of self-devouring egotism! Thank you, Bishop!

@ROSIE112109 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Bishop Barron for speaking the truth and keeping your coolness. I appreciate your work(convictions) immensely 🙏🕊

@marypinakat8594 3 жыл бұрын

The faculty to think objectively is *reason;* the emotional attitude behind reason is that of *humility.* - ERIC FROMM, The Art of Loving

@marypinakat8594 3 жыл бұрын

*To be objective, to use one's reason, is possible only if one has achieved an attitude of humility, if one has emerged from the dreams of omniscience and omnipotence which one has as a child.* - ERIC FROMM, The Art of Loving

@marypinakat8594 3 жыл бұрын

@@andreylebeuf1304 Thank you. His view on objectivity is wholesome. I do value his understanding of the necessity of *humility.* I perceive he must have been a humble personality.

@AJA91286 3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful explanation of that “outside, 3rd dimension” - objectivity. The lack of recognition of this dimension is likely the root of society’s inability to find agreement. Another beautiful point - our “subjective feelings are a reaction to objective reality”. Therefore, our feelings cannot be the truth, only a shadow of the truth. And the further we get away from the truth, the more distorted our shadow.

@danharazin3605 3 жыл бұрын

'It’s not simply a question of valorizing or naming our own feelings, but rather our feelings are either appropriate or inappropriate to the objectivity of the value under consideration.' Quite profound. It's much more difficult to pursue objective truth, beauty, and love in God than it is to 'make yourself like gods' and call the shots.

@fennycruz6714 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for being objective and caring Bishop Barron. GOD bless you.

@tomlabooks3263 3 жыл бұрын

All my atheist friend keeps repeating is “Whatever rocks your boat…”, which is the exact opposite of what Bishop Barron is saying in this video. “Whatever rocks your boat” is the hymn of modern relativism.

@barbarahrris4239 3 жыл бұрын

" Whatever rocks your boat " might rock it right over and tip you out into deep water where you cannot stand. The " rock " needed here is The Rock who is Jesus Christ himself.

@tomlabooks3263 3 жыл бұрын

@@barbarahrris4239 Very well said!

@RocketKirchner 3 жыл бұрын

it is the dictatorship of relativism disquised as freedom

@paulcollins6732 3 жыл бұрын

This is such an important video. Thank you yet again, Bishop.

@dawnmuir5052 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant!! Erudite and concise - it doesn't get better than that! Thank you, Bishop Barron!

@justinitsthatguyme010 3 жыл бұрын

Many a hour I've spent listening to Bishop Barron in front of bookcases

@josephheidenreich1067 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great video!

@bamboolaceway 3 жыл бұрын

It brings to mind my days as a Day Care provider. I used to joke that my job was essentially to take the toddlers from "I'm all that matters," to Real People, who would see the Whole World, and not just their fistful of crayons. Indeed, if we do not see beyond our own petty likes and needs, we are trapped within tiny those tiny prisons.

@gregstandeford7008 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Bishop Barron!

@themirrorflattersnot 3 жыл бұрын

Yes! God bless you, father. This is needed.

@bernadettegrenholm5437 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bishop Barron 🙏

@ucheuju9348 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant talk, Bishop!

@TheSeventhSnivy 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, I never thought of objectivity/subjectivity in this context! Thank you Bishop for teaching me something new.

@armanisayan7934 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your wise words, Bishop.

@RumorHazi 3 жыл бұрын

Truth is Truth. If it cannot be defined OUTSIDE of us, then it isn’t Truth. It is only interpretation.

@jasonwilliams759 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this wonderful talk. Self invention seems enticing at first glance but the pressure is too much to bear.

@betterway7543 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant as always 👍

@Opel314 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Today you have given me hope!

@acfatemi 3 жыл бұрын

Very important video! Thank You!!! Searching for truth eventually brings peace……..👍💐💐💐💐

@jennifersmithsoprano 3 жыл бұрын

Bang on, Bishop Barron! (That’s: you’ve hit the bull’s eye!) thank you for your clear thinking and teaching.

@anamarx818 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely wonderful!

@anniebanderet 2 жыл бұрын

As always, Superb and Timely. Yes, objectively!

@chuimataisinglai8235 3 жыл бұрын

This is brilliant Eye opening video

@ANGEL-eh6pd 3 жыл бұрын

Amen, thank you.

@Richie016 3 жыл бұрын

A variance between one's objective and subjective moral values, explained in plain words, so well.

@nathan_abela 2 жыл бұрын

Amen! One does not need to reinvent them self, they need to FIND them self!

@MadelineStockman 3 жыл бұрын

'A war of feeling against feeling' - wow I see this everywhere!

@taylorallred6208 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, this is a tough topic to think about. As you were speaking about the waterfall story, I wasn’t sure which way I was convinced. At first I thought about the fact that there are some things (movies, books, etc.) that I recognize aren’t objectively good but I enjoy them anyway. I thought about that longer and realized that there must be at least some aspects of those creations that are objectively good in order for me to really like them. Thank you for the food for thought.

@thomasmengert2593 3 жыл бұрын

The problem that Bishop Barron is overlooking is that objective values must be discerned and announced by either someone or some organizational entity and that very announcement is often tainted with subjectivism this is why all objective values must be recognized it is specified context in order to have true meaning

@thomasmengert2593 3 жыл бұрын

Objective values Arnot crepuscular entities but must always be placed into context in order to clothe them with meaning

@katherinefulkerson2866 3 жыл бұрын

Suffocating subjectivism. AMAZING ACCURACY.

@angievalful 3 жыл бұрын

Such a great video ! Thanks a lot

@VictorRamirezMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Godbless you, your excellency, edifying video!

@faithbooks7906 3 жыл бұрын

I think those little prisons of self invention either lead to narcissism or depression.

@eleanorpolchinski7919 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you ✨

@meganturner1456 3 жыл бұрын

Thank-you! Please keep going

@chipmastermorris 3 жыл бұрын

Notice how many people when giving their thoughts will actually say "I feel like..."

@angelacross2216 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@proverbios1820 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks again Bishop Barron and God bless you and your work! As I finished typing my other comment the thought occurred to me regarding your recent discussion with Alex O'Connor. There was a part in that conversation around the topic of suffering and he used the term 'absurd'. If we can't call something 'sublime' then how can we call something 'absurd'? Blessings to everyone!

@lionelarnolds1749 26 күн бұрын

Thank you bishop for always posting profound content and vee informative sermon. Lionel Arnolds Port Elizabeth South Africa

@issemayhem 3 жыл бұрын

So basically these peoples claim is "It is absolutely true that there are no absolute truths" Well... I cant see anything contradictory about that

@Thomas-wn7cl 3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Well said.

@ginacc1999 3 жыл бұрын

ha, great reply and that's another discussion. slinging about universals is nearly always untrue.

@KerriRusnak 3 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@barbarahrris4239 3 жыл бұрын

A brilliant discussion, Bishop Barron has the gift of making something potentially difficult easy to understand. It helps if you have read the first few pages of C.S. Lewis " Abolition of Man.

@matthewporter5048 3 жыл бұрын

Wow well said

@willjames1712 3 жыл бұрын

"O God, I could be bounded in a nutshell and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams."

@charlisdad4460 3 жыл бұрын

Right on.

@richardemerson549 3 жыл бұрын

Great video - the beginning is a bit like saying: "I know with absolute certainty that certainty doesn't exist".

@francois_leveille 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment, that's exactly it!

@mozphet3030 2 жыл бұрын

What profound thing can I say that will add to the discussion? Why have I not at least made a comment until now after immediately forming the opinion after watching the video that this is perhaps one of the most insightful sermons yet? I don't know. I just know that I'm grateful for this content. Though I don't wanna lump it together with other KZfaq "content" by calling it that because this is actually of real substance contrary to virtually everything else. All that is vapor and noise, this is hyperreal.

@jean-guydallaire6527 2 жыл бұрын

I like as you say Bishop Barron, the purpose of education is to get the student to like and dislike what he ought. Let us seek what unites rather than staying in our small prisons... and together... ascend in love.

@MrJoel9679 3 жыл бұрын

Crazy good. ;)

@msgoody2shoes959 3 жыл бұрын

My education is beyond me, for it is the One who dwells within me, that knows Its like, knows Its Love, knows Its Faith, knows Its grace, knows Its beauty, knows Its heart, know Its own Spirit, and I sometimes get to wake up and see it too. I know who I love because Love woke Love within me, when It saw Itself in another.

@TheMeaningOfWorship 3 жыл бұрын

Trinitarian reference at the end there?

@msgoody2shoes959 3 жыл бұрын

It's a matter of Persona Christi being reconnected to the rest of His body via the Spirit and that is only possible through Love. It's more like I know Him when I see Him, kind of relationship. ""But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Romans 8:9, KJV "That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love," Ephesians 3:17, KJV "To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:" Colossians 1:27, KJV "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord." Colossians 3:16, KJV "Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit." 1 John 4:13, KJV"

@msgoody2shoes959 3 жыл бұрын

I think I just said too much... but it is a gift of the Spirit. Sort of along the lines: "it takes one to know one."

@supersonictrip 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing

@carlalies3971 3 жыл бұрын

For me, personally, I hit a road block due to trust. Where is this person going to take me? I’ve had professors, priests, and older people take me places psychologically that weren’t healthy places. Unfortunately, I still have those thoughts and memories in my mind today. At least in my mind, thoughts, ideas and experiences don’t just leave or get purged. They are recalled, and replayed sometimes by a trigger, sometimes spontaneously or intentionally. I can honestly say I wish some memories didn’t exist in my mind. I try to be careful about who I allow to lead me, and try to predict where I’m going to be “dropped off.” If there isn’t a sense of safety and comfort, I won’t go there. You can call it a prison, but I call it paradise. I’ll leave Dante to you Bishop Barron. I still love ya though!

@JNCPiano 3 жыл бұрын

How does Bishop Barron not have 1 million followers ?!

@BishopBarron 3 жыл бұрын

I've got over 3 million on Facebook.

@JNCPiano 3 жыл бұрын

@@BishopBarron Awesome!!! Love you Bishop Barron! Thanks for the reply

@susanrobb3004 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Bishop Barron. Sadly, the culture is slipping into this subjective prison, and frankly, it frightens me. Your words need to be broadcast from every pulpit to all faiths.

@jtaylor0727 3 жыл бұрын

Love you Bishop.... as a retired college professor I know for certain we never would have have cause too assess you as "dumb"..... I wonder why simply minds have almost always personally attacked the object of their disagreement.

@Martin-qm2lg 3 жыл бұрын

I think this explains well where Western society is at now and the agitation we see everywhere. A good follow up book is "How To Destroy Western Civilization" by Peter Kreeft.

@bertuccigirl 3 жыл бұрын

It definitely describes why everyone just argues instead of having civilized discussions doesn’t it?

@FloydMayweatherSr. 3 жыл бұрын

Note for the viewer: the term "value" here is used in a different sense from how economics uses the term value.

@dougcameron6609 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Captain Obvious

@seand2328 2 жыл бұрын

Bishop Barron, I don't think I can crown your video with all the superlatives offered by the other commenters, but I think it was a really good video. How do we avoid both a suffocating subjectivity and a stifling objectivity? How do we discern God's ordering of the beautiful so as to avoid wicked misappropriations of the concept of objective beauty? For example, Nazis or similarly minded people might claim a certain race is objectively more beautiful than another. When do claims of objective beauty become dangerous? Thanks for your work, you do incite great discussions and I learn a lot from your Word on Fire material!

@bobrickert4333 3 жыл бұрын

Have you noticed that a new phrase that's taken over is "I feel like...".And when I hear this coming from someone I think to myself-"I don't care what you feel like,but what do you THINK!"

@jamesmorrissey2297 3 жыл бұрын

One of the problems, with this argument. Is that to often those in power. Will refuse the objective value of something. So that they can control the situation,or people around them. Then nothing has a true value. Pilot's what is truth statement. Is a good example. God Bless.

@RocketKirchner 3 жыл бұрын

Yes James but Christ silence to the snarky question to Jesus was the shot heard around the world .

@hopaideia 3 жыл бұрын

Let us not make of the Absolute, relative, nor of the relative "absolute". Let's keep our commitments to others and use things the right way.

@guypotvin6943 3 жыл бұрын

Perfect

@kristineweber8084 2 жыл бұрын

Bishop, I enjoyed your comments, and C.S. Lewis is one of my favorite authors! However, I do want to point out that there are many forms of beautiful art that were not at first appreciated by the church, and that many communities have only seen beauty in their own rituals, their own lifestyles. I think originally the concept of relativism was to help people be tolerant of other ways of worship, ritual, and art - so that they could eventually come to appreciate them. I agree it's gone too far though; now it's not even our communities we need to break out of, but only our own personal opinions. I do sometimes fear that everyone will eventually be isolated in a personal bubble of one. How lonely, and how defensive!

@petertrausch3245 3 жыл бұрын

I fall in love with every new taste of truth that I learn from you Bishop!! God bless you 🙏🏼🍺

@hpa2005 3 жыл бұрын

Somehow I'm reminded of the following quote: “The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.”

@andrewkain7518 3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with your point here Father, but how does one learn to love such objectivism? Personally I rarely see beauty in the world. I don’t enjoy movies or music or art or very much of anything. And I think I’m not the only one with such views, I’m sure many people have a similar lens through which they view life. I pray and go to church regularly (one of the few things where I do find beauty) if that helps. Any advice is appreciated. Thank you!

@laleydelamor1327 3 жыл бұрын

For me, the life is very simple since I accepted the existance of two kinds of truth- objective and subjective. Objective truth is reality, and subjective is how do we see objective truth through our subjective lence. We all have our subjective perspective, therefore no one has the right to claim to know ultimate reality. Ultimate reality belongs onley to God, it should stay untached on the Tree of knowlege. We are coming closer to it when we open our heart and give all our subjectivity to God. Will and ultimate Truth belongs to Him, my choice is onley to accept it or not.

@TheMeaningOfWorship 3 жыл бұрын

Who can help us learn the realm of objective value when we confess that it exists?

@mikerose968 3 жыл бұрын

WOW Your 100 percent right Bishop Barron, we are locked in these mental prisons of subjective value. This prison affects and can even cripple are daily lives. It definitely prevents us from reaching our divine potential. I don’t know if I will be able to achieve objective, moral value with others on everything. But after watching this video I do see how silly, childish and destructive this prison is 8:02 . Thank you for showing me the bars around my mind that I didn’t even know were there.

@tomsaltsman 3 жыл бұрын

Aren't you talking about the simple virtue of gratitude? Around 1975, I picked up a wonderful book of prophecies found in the lobby of an Assemblies of God church. One of its great insights was this: ingratitude is the mark of a reprobate. Natural beauty itself makes me want to take a moment and pray. It's easy to understand why Christ prayed so often in natural surroundings.

@erric288 3 жыл бұрын

Now this is a great example of the New Evangelization at work! Cutting at the roots of modernist heresy often can open the minds of nonbelievers. It certainly did for me.

@josephzammit8483 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if my videos can be helpful to you. I’m publishing a weekly KZfaq video on episodes from the life of Don Bosco, entitled ST JOHN BOSCO by JOE ZAMMIT. In this series I’m narrating events and miracles from the splendid life of Don Bosco. St John Bosco used to perform a miracle almost every day, through the intercession of Mary Help of Christians. From the lives of saints we can learn how to love God more and draw closer to him. Thank you.

@michaelsaint9794 2 жыл бұрын

7:18 If you want to skip to the point. The buildup is beautiful, though.

@JH-wm7nq 3 жыл бұрын

I agree with everything he says. The problem is that it's not always self-evident what the "objective value" is, particularly in matters of religion and morality. This is unfortunate, because maybe if it was more self-evident, there would be a lot less fighting and the world would be a better place.

@rhwinner 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe we should start with the obvious and work up. Can we agree Shakespeare is better than Hip Hop lyrics?

@JH-wm7nq 3 жыл бұрын

@@rhwinner Sure we can. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a subjectivist. All I'm saying is wouldn't it be nice if some of the most interesting objective truths on which we base our lives were more self-evident? I mean truths like God exists, there is an afterlife, and the like. Then again, most objective truths are not self-evident and if that's the only criteria we use for accepting truth, we won't get very far.

@First1it1Giveth 3 жыл бұрын

I would say that as long as one orientates themselves toward the transcendant third, they will always be guided by objective values. It is not possible to know everything, though the desire to know the good, the true and the beautiful brings us closer to their realities. Our meaning, value and purpose are rightly found in them. You might be able to recognize that objective values are not the destination, but the compass pointing to true north. Without these objective values we are hopelessly lost adrift in a sea of subjectivism and self determination.

@stevenpfeiffer7063 3 жыл бұрын

@@rhwinner No, that's exactly the point. Some people wouldn't agree with that (and others would point out that Tupac praised Shakespeare). And therefore, since people disagree, we need an objective criterion to appeal to... but for beauty/aesthetics, it doesn't seem there is one.

@dwaynecharfauros2145 3 жыл бұрын

Who decides what the objective value of something is? Is it a consensus of subjective values? Those things from God are objective, but what about other things like Shakespeare and Dante? I believe in objective value, but how do we know what that value is for things that do not come from God? Why Shakespeare and not Marvel Comics? Who decides that? Who said?

@jeremymaxwell8898 3 жыл бұрын

These are really good questions. I wish the Bishop would do a video in which he tries to answer them. Maybe he has. I think what he might say is, if the work, action, or idea is in line with the transcendentals (the Good, the Beautiful, and the True) it's objectively good. The next question would be: How do we know if something is in line with the transcendentals? I think the Bishop might say, he have to discern it in light of revelation that comes from scripture and tradition. We still might not always agree but at least we'd be appealing to that higher "3rd party."

@ircensko7324 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@thedisintegrador 3 жыл бұрын

My thoughts as well. The bishop just throws a single philosophical theory at us (namely that universals like Good and Beautiful have real being) and expects us to swallow it all and to ignore years of unresolved debate in that area of philosophy

@ivandavidponceesparza134 3 жыл бұрын

Hello Bishop I am catholic since I was born but right now I am in a middle of faith crisis, for all the bad things made in the name of the Catholic Church. I am looking the Jewish religion as a good option

@jaspervinodh960 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Bishop. Hyper subjectivism leads to pride, envy. Cain valued his offering greater nd dismissed what God valued. If you lock urself inside you r actually under the grip of satan.