Kyle Sockwell did a really good breakdown of the "problem". I would say it is a learning experince on how to do it and what not to disqualify

As an official/referee myself, I can say this: The rules also state that if/when in doubt while deciding if a swimmer is DQed or not, you need to decide in favor of the swimmer. So many DQs are def not necessary. ... this is the first time I'm seeing such DQs. Even when you're sprinting BR there's turbulence. Double dolphin kick when entering first into the water is more likely.

Wow, this new underwater footage is really a big deal. I wonder if this will also happen at the world champs. I also agree with what you are said about the small movement. As a breaststroker myself, i tend to ungulate more when i swim the 200m breast and think there should be a rule saying that your legs are only allowed to move 5-10 degrees before it is counted as a DQ.

My son was one of the 30. Said there was one UW judge for every 2 lanes and a confirming judge. He was able to get a copy of the film. He had no idea he had the downward movement that was seen. Was it there? Yes. Propulsive? Prob not. Needs to be cleaned up, though. No doubt.

One of the best coaches I ever had who coached Katie Meile said that breaststroke was about how much dolfin action you could have without getting disqualified.

This one could be easy to set straight … if there is ANY knee bend on the undulation between kicks you are generating forward propulsion and should be disqualified. If the knees stay straight/extended on the undulation it is likely a natural consequence of the undulation and trying to keep your hips up as you start your pull - I would let that one go. There were also a few swimmers that were doing a flutter kick to keep/get their hips up - there appeared to be a subtle knee bend there too, but regardless that should be a DQ also

Thank you for this video! I follow the sport carefully and this is the clearest explanation I have heard for this issue!

I really appreciate u doing this video I knew that you would put something out about it and this was a big help. I hope swimmers will be able to adjust from this. Congrats on your swim too!👏

Send Cody to the Games ! We should all write to USA Swimming in support of Cody

I completely agree with you 😊 I was very lucky that one of my team members took my time on a 50 breast during practice before I started competing and she told me I added a small dolphing kick after every br kick. I didn't know, but I noticed that swimming without it made me a lot slower 😅 Luckily I'm faster now in the completely legal way 😊 I thank her for that ❤️

Thanks for the video and I agree with you about the dolphin kick DQ's. And In your video you said that you were going to Canada, where and when in Canada?

Hey Cody! Great vid (as always). I agree with you on this, I think consistency across the board needs to be implemented to ensure fairness for all. Something else I find interesting is that in the other 3 strokes, there doesn't seem to be as many little nuances of the stroke that make it so easy to get disqualified. For example, Dressel seems to breakout in freestyle with one more dolphin kick, while other pro swimmers are beginning to flutter kick. That's allowed, and also could be a faster/more advantageous way to swim. Why is it that in breaststroke, the difference between being disqualified or not is so minor...that we have swimmers being DQ'd and aren't even aware they're doing anything illegal? Is it because breaststroke is just such a different/technical stroke that there needs to be more strict rules on how the stroke is swam? This video brought up a lot of thoughts and questions for me!

Never knew you were half Canadian it makes so much sense. Half Canadian here too!

It is definitely a gray area and could use an official statement. But technically that upward motion is a propulsion not generated from the clap of the kick. It is like half a butterfly kick since there is no downward kick, I would say so long as the legs dont drop below the neutral position after the upward motion it should be ok.

As a competitive breaststroke swimmer, I have encountered similar issues, particularly when attempting to swim the 200m breaststroke. Following the glide, I have observed that my legs tend to lower slightly, and the ensuing kick resembles a dolphin kick, which occurs unintentionally. This happens when I glide and endeavor to lift my hands out of the water for the next stroke. Breaststroke is an intricate combination of tempo and rhythm, and losing your tempo can lead to this issue while swimming. Speed and agility are a chain of rhythm and technique, and if you lose your tempo, this situation may arise. While swimming breaststroke slowly, I have experienced this issue. I am grateful for your assistance, @Cody Miller.

Thank you for clearing that up for us! Love your vids

That light swim puts me in bed for 3 days to recover from 😂

Great explanation. I did watch US Nationals and saw all the DQs but didn't put it all together it was breaststroke.

As a new breast-stroker I was wondering if the dolphin kick is allowed....thank you for this excellent discussion and illustration! 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

This makes me want to go back and watch.

Ngl this is kinda crazy! But it makes sense because the butterfly kick can make you go fast but if it’s that little that’s unfair😅I want the suit but I don’t have insta!but I still liked the video and I’m subscribed😊😊❤❤

Dude I need this for my son!!

I personally believe with this issue, to standardize this, you need to make the data officials are looking at Quanitative rather than Qualitative. To make it qualitative data allows for opinion to included which can’t be allowed when you are trying to standardize something

Use Terro liquid ant killer, put a few drops where they are and they are gone.

I have the same thing in my chest like you glad I’m not alone

Hey Cody I live in Canada I’m just wondering where you plan on visiting?

The pink Indiana caps look lit

Cody I wanted to ask you what’s the factor website I’m interested in getting meals I’m moving on my own and your helping me out huge so let me know thanks Cody.

Omg thx you for telling me I have states tomorrow🤭

It's basic movement concepts... when swimming breaststroke the swimmer is lunging forward and slightly down. The normal flow of movement is for the body to follow that curved line, resulting in the feet coming up. Then, as lift occurs, the hips drop, causing the feet to follow suit. The bigger the breaststroker, the bigger the force that is created Based off how it was officiated, Phelps and Lochte and much of the 2016 200 IM final would have been DQ'd. However, the intent is to remove those purposefully kicking, which you can tell whether or not it is on purpose by simply watching the end of the feet. If they are falling, that is a natural body movement through the water. If they are delaying the movement to generate force, most people can recognize that.

Stroke and turn judges that initially make that call, are typically viewing from the end of the lane as the swimmer approaches and leaves. It is almost impossible to determine a propulsive butterfly kick from that angle unless you view both the propulsive up and down kick - otherwise it is up for debate as to whether it was truly a "kick" or an adjustment/upsweep to set up your kick. The only time I have comfortably made a dq call pertaining to this (after carefully consider the benefit of doubt benefiting the swimmer) was for multiple dolphin kicks on start/turn prior to arms separating. I am also a former competitive swimmer, and coach - I wish all officials would have some in water experience - but honestly the bulk of them do not.

I would agree with you, consistency 👈

I think there should be a line between intention al and residual. I could spot an intentional easily and so could you.

USA Swimming did swimmers a great disservice. Totally agree USA swimming needs to include this at many more meets, not just nationals.

My son has the little bounce and it's actually a hindrance to his speed, I think. But he's been called on it a few times.

As a kid the pull and dolphin kick was taught as one motion. I don't know when they got split into separate motions but maybe we go back to that.

Came back here after I got a DSQ in 100m breast 😅

Hey Cody Miller I’m a big fan! Also when are you going to be coming to a clinic to teach us Breaststroke

This version of the football VAR, is it a USA thing or will it be done at Worlds?

McHugh, my guy

Did anyone else notice how high the breaststroker came out of the water at 2:25? 🤣

The same thing happened to me at my state meet where I got DQ for that turbulence I did while swimming

Even at the summer age group championships in southern cali, my swimmer got dq for that very “subtle” drop after he kick when he glided. He wasn’t trying to do dolphin kick at all. He got dq for prelims for the 50m breast. During 100m prelims, didn’t get dq, but got dq in 100m finals. Very weird and questionable.

Guys can someone explain what a swim pink is

Many swimmers may be doing this for years and never notice until you see a video. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Gravity vs propulsion

They better get this straight and fine tune ruling before Olympics. Will every other country and officials be on same page and as strict with their swimmers as US. We'll see.

Suit?

May i get an explanation as to what the 4 100s PINK are

McHugh had a dolphin kick on every stroke. I can’t think this is accidental. He wasn’t even a hard call. This is a much easier thing then deciding whether someone’s head was going underwater like my entire swimming career in the 70s.

If that’s the case then Adam peaty would have been disqualified when he broke the world records of the 50 and the 100 breast, but like you said right now I do believe they should have done this a bit earlier so athletes could prepare during taper

Hey I am a swimmer in high school can you give me some tips I am a free and breastroke Please reply

How many kids will be DQed if thay drop their feet after kicking, because thay dont have enough core strength jet?

I was always under the impression that if your feet dropped as a result of your body motion, that was legal. And it became illegal when there was independent leg motion that was actually propulsive.

Your feet will naturally drop are you produce lift with your arms this will lift your body at some point the feet will need to drop as the head does. If not you would end up flying. I think it’s only necessary on the starts , and maybe go if the poolside officially thinks it a disqualification, then it’s a review to decide. If that’s correct. When I have judged the first question when you write the report , any spelling, uncertainty the swimmer gets benefit of doubt, you have to be certain (100%) there are some examples of peoples clearly dolphin kicking at the end , but are often the middle lanes so you struggle to see from the side. When we spoke about back in 2016(think) it was thrown around that the past ten record if you watch the underwater footage they all double fly kicked on the start. But we said image a final of an Olympics where there’s a world record time and one stroke out of 50 plus they have a minor drop of the legs and the official, look in slow motion to see, then it would seem farcical to DQ, that’s also why it takes so long they aren’t watching in real time. …….

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There were groans in the live chat as well. It shocked me.

A Cody it’s me again i forgot to tell you i was at the swim meat you were at i was trying to get to you so can you please send it out to me and have a great day

I don’t know of another sport that uses video replays to make the initial call, only to challenge or confirm the call. We should just take people out of making calls, feed video into AI and let it make the call with high speed cameras to catch everything including non simultaneous hand movements, we should be able to DQ almost everyone!

It is a good thing. Swimmers can adjust to the stricter rule so that the game is fair. People cheat because other cheat makes the game not as interesting.

why isnt there dolphin kick competition?!? or just any stroke competition just whoever travels the fastest 50,100,200m

When underwater footage is shown, I see dolfin kicks regularly..some super obvious, with no dqs..do I think swimmers should be warned..eh? Not really, coaches need to video their athletes, and the swimmers need to see what they are doing before the meet..this is on the coaches.. Once the swimmers realized what was happening at Nats, the DQs came back to normal range..what I also noticed was some swimmers surged into their finishes, with a dolfin kick.

I personally think the DQs were unfair especially because if you look at the underwater shot during the women's 50 breast you can see that Lily King has the same type of dolphin kick propulsion after each breaststroke kick. Granted, I don't think she was trying to cheat, however, I find it interesting that she didn't get DQed and some of the other athletes did for the same reason.

Why don't you compete for Canada?? You could easily qualify for the Olympics next year!

obligatory *looks at watch* *there is no watch* *but there is a handy graphic*

Seriously. If it is almost impossible to tell whether it's a dolphin kick, then it shouldn't be a DQ. Why not allow the dolphin kick anyway if it's faster and within the same spirit of the breaststroke kick?

When you start the pull and draw the hips forward, the body tilts like a teeter totter and the feet tend to drop. This isn’t a propulsive dolphin kick. Getting blindsided by a DQ at a taper meet is one of the worst things a swimmer can experience. Ruins an entire season.

Be honest😊. These all are small and big cheats. Even me, as and adult beginner, can keep my hips and feets high and in line during gliding. This is obvious propulsion generated by feet as half of dolphin kick. What Cody showed - is slow lowering of the feet. But they do it faster and it creates propulsion.

Watch hip to knee...any movement DQ. A little foot drop is nothing. Just my opinion

If the crowd wasn't booing the officials, who were they booing at? If it was just booing the situation, it was still a situation that the officials created. I'm also a little confused about the "consistency" issue. If this is the first meet they implemented this technique of initiating dq's via the underwater camera, how is there a lack of consistency? Also, obviously this will NOT be a thing w/"lesser" level meets, as they won't have the ability to use underwater cameras (finances, logistics). USA swimming needs to be very transparent as to which meets will utilize this (i.e. all pro- level meets, all national meets, all international trials meets). Will that mean some athletes will know at which meets they can cheat? Yes, but there's nothing to be done about that right now. I totally agree about the 60-second rule and USA swimming MUST have more judges doing this - preferably one per lane per swim. IF USA Swimming had made this change clear to the coaches w/plenty of time, that's on the coaches who didn't use underwater cameras to check their swimmers during practice (which, let's face it, the best programs DO have already). But the amount of dq's was disheartening at best.

a lot of lazy officiating relying too much on the letter of the law rather than whether it helps the swim or not. In my opinion they should only make it illegal if it helps you go faster, regardless of perceived undulation

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Just don’t dolphin kick bro like just kick and glide

I'm saying that they shouldn't be doing that. The stroke isn't wrong, the rule is.

Officials have been told to use this new tool, that means they can close their eyes and pretend nothing is happening. Also, the athletes that swim with the allowed technique have been putting their lives on the line too, need to be fair to them

8:40: only a stupid person would admit to cheating lol, really terrible justification for people being mad. It’s either intentionally or they’re making the mistake in training and built a bad habit. And not all meets have the capacity to have officials review underwater footage, hence the consistency problem. But I’ve been to a fair amount of meets in my day, and officials, especially in Indiana, let a lot of breaststroke calls go. I’m happy they are now finally putting people on blast because people are gonna know what to do and not do in breaststroke. I don’t like this advocacy for people that are most likely cheating. Kieran smith did the same thing, the officials are just doing their jobs.

You are half because?

Do you poses a birth abroad certificate. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM… what is your Canadian social identity number If not. NO!

I am not on Instagram 🥲🫠.I missed the opportunity to win venzo