Brett McMurphy: 100% of Everyone I Talked to Doesn’t Want FSU & Clemson

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@johnfridayxiii8455 Ай бұрын

This is the beginning of the Power 2

@Central_Media3656 Ай бұрын

close...its actually the beginning of the end of the Power 2.

@vivahernando1 Ай бұрын

Haha .... as an NCSU fan and grad, I genuinely love this FSU and Clempson angst 😂😂

@frankmilitary Ай бұрын

Finally a dose of reality.

@RoscoPColtrane17 Ай бұрын

3 rings for each school. That’s reality

@joelpead2687 Ай бұрын

In a 2 team playoff! Lol! Committee.! The national championship has been a joke for my whole life! And I am old! @RoscoPColtrane17

@RoscoPColtrane17 Ай бұрын

@@joelpead2687 Lol, so all of history doesn’t count until the criteria meets your approval? IQ much?

@stephenbattane7682 Ай бұрын

They said they didn’t want Oregon and Washington right before they added Oregon and Washington.

@garlandalmarode6396 Ай бұрын

I don't recall seeing that.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

I don't think the B1G wanted WASH/ORE at that time and were effectively forced to take prematurely.

@jimedick9496 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 BS Tar!! If they didn’t want them, they wouldn’t have invited them!!! It’s that simple. They both bring top 15 ranking for the most watched teams in the country. That is why they WANTED them!!! Feelings still hurt?

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@jimedick9496 Sorry, but the B1G rejected WASH/ORE several times after the USC/UCLA news, there was no pro rata in place for the pair, etc. Flugar even stated that the plan was to consider at the next media deal. Something happened to cause the B1G to invite earlier than planned. I maintain that unexpected PAC incompetence put W/O in distress and that UNC swung to heavily favor the SEC. There is currently no evidence that W/O have tier 1 value since no network has yet agreed to pay Tier 1 value. We have lots of evidence that W/O have less than Tier 1 value. The SEC and B1G are waiting on UNC, as they have for years if not decades. Why would my feelings be involved? You will have to do better.

@prman9984 Ай бұрын

They only took them after it was clear that the Pac was dead

@yellowmartian Ай бұрын

SEC: we don't want FSU, they are too disruptive... Texas: yeah, we don't want disruptive members here in the good ol' SEC. *Sings Kumbiya*

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

FSU isn't TEXAS, which handled its move to the SEC correctly.

@trclark7689 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Texas doesn't have a "sunshine" law.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@trclark7689 All states have some form of "sunshine law". That FSU didn't leverage exceptions and workarounds as expected in this industry is yet another of its problems. Earlier, it was disclosed that FSU secretly entered into agreements with PE, including a non-disclosure. It has been claimed that FSU has signed a non-disclosure with the BIG12 (I suppose actually third parties). A "sunshine law" may be a legal defense for any FSU disclosures, but it won't be an excuse that yields a P2 invite.

@PurpleHazeVanNederlands Ай бұрын

Texas is a blue blood who came with another blue blood Oklahoma, they offer more, and didn't sue their conference like FSU because their temper tantrum over their UCF SOS and regretting signing a shitty deal. Not to mention the tv contracts already being negotiated and the fact that the SEC already has SC/FL markets while diluting the shares more without adding the OKC/OK market.

@cgiii2440 Ай бұрын

Tarheel you comment on all these same type of threads, how about YOUR school stop hiding in the shadows riding FSU & Clem coattails and just leave the ACC too. It's no secret UNC, Mia and few others all want out too but they are letting FSU take all the arrows while we all know the rest of the viable teams want out too

@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 Ай бұрын

The winds are trending towards both schools and ESPN reaching a settlement to remain in the ACC for more money.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

CLEMSON can back down, but it would take a miracle for FSU. Could be a last chance to get rid of FSU, ND to join in full, and get a high enough media deal.

@jermainemouzon4909 Ай бұрын

I highly doubt that settlement would be enough to make up to what the schools in the BIG/SEC will be getting.

@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 Ай бұрын

@@jermainemouzon4909 Unless ESPN/ACC agrees to unequal revenue sharing.

@jakehutchison5761 Ай бұрын

Those people screwed FSU out of the playoff. They are gone come hell or high water.

@encycl07pedia- Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Wow. You are really ruined by FSU. ND is not going to join the ACC. They did in 2020 and immediately backed out. UNC is probably stuck there, though.

@brett8078 Ай бұрын

Fsu didn't ask the ag to get involved

@cgiii2440 Ай бұрын

The AG is UF grad lol

@dirkpalmer1067 Ай бұрын

Where's the #1 Mascot, Cosmo??? 😀

@savannahfan Ай бұрын

I’m guessing ESPN is behind the scenes working out what they think will benefit their profits most

@redevil7081 Ай бұрын

FSU had an opportunity to come to the SEC, Fla didn’t want them in, Bob Bowden didn’t want to play in the SEC. Clemson had their run as the “Texas” of the ACC, USCarolina doesn’t want them in, don’t think D Sweeney wants to be in the SEC either.

@PCSPounder Ай бұрын

I’m sure Sweeney would dig the SEC. Otherwise, you’re on point. One might scratch their head about how USC got into the SEC instead of Clemson… at least in today’s terms. (Can’t remember if Clemson was in trouble with the NCAA at the time). On the other hand, sometimes a conference membership needs a loyal partner that does NOT win all their games.

@robertmacgrogan5323 Ай бұрын

That was some ex-post-facto happy talk from Bobby to look on the bright side. Believe me, he wanted in the SEC BAD. And in the 90s, in Bobby's heyday, FSU would have run the SEC.

@virgilmacek3389 Ай бұрын

My friend Thanks for sharing this

@blancacassin2167 Ай бұрын

Good morning! Love ya and so happy for all your success

@Live_Free_or_Die_a_KSU_Wildcat Ай бұрын

What would change the temperature in the water.... nothing. That's massive. Good reporting by Brett and the 365 team all around. Keep it up!

@wvgolfnut1 Ай бұрын

Why would the teams in the Big 10 or SEC take a pay cut to add FSU or Clemson? I do believe that they get in after the current media deals end.

@HawkYounkins Ай бұрын

(Big 10) The media deal will be renegotiated to encompass both schools & I believe they will get the Oregon / Washington deal that starts at $_____ & grows by $5 million per year until the media deal ends and then the NEXT deal will be the same for all schools, but I think they will be better off replacing Texas / Oklahoma in the Big 12.

@PurpleHazeVanNederlands Ай бұрын

@@HawkYounkinsThe BIG doesn't want to add them due to AAU and the fact that if they could stab them in the back when given the chance for a better deal by the SEC they would. The SEC already has FL/SC markets which offers nothing more to tv contract negotiations and dilutes the share per school, in short, cope.

@OSU_Buckeyes Ай бұрын

@PurpleHazeVanNederlands FSU & Clemson would never stab the B1G Conference in the back because of money. The B1G Conference makes the most money. It's a Nationwide Conference now! SEC is only regional. Which will always mean the B1G will always make more money! As far as the AAU membership, that's not a top priority anymore. Not having an AAU Membership will not keep teams out of the B1G Conference. That came right out of the mouth of the B1G Conference Commissioner.

@tyn6211 Ай бұрын

Correct. FSU and Clemson will have to hold out until there's a P2 (32 team) realignment.

@TP-pq9xx Ай бұрын

@@OSU_Buckeyes Last year the B1G made 880M and the SEC made 853M. That's a 3% difference...

@brandysmith3977 Ай бұрын

Why is it that all of these so called experts and podcasters forget that the NC legislature has tied UNC and NC State together with regard to any move. The legislature is controlled by eastern NC which is N C State's primary fanbase.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

How can one forget something untrue?

@GoHawgs1987 Ай бұрын

People in Oklahoma said the same thing about Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Almost all of those state-tied rivalries are bull. I know the state of Alabama made the Iron Bowl come back after decades, but that's the only one I know of for sure.

@andyriddle7352 Ай бұрын

@GoHawgs1987 NC State and UNC have been around longer than Oklahoma has been a state. So there's that. Plus...they don't have to be in same conference. They just have to get approval to leave.

@rollinjenkins5736 Ай бұрын

@@GoHawgs1987 state politics vary wildly. NC college sports are extremely political. The NC Board of Governors has to approve any conference moves for in-state schools. That board is currently controlled by NC State graduates, which obviously imposes a problem for UNC leaving. There are already political qualms in the board focused on not approving a move for UNC unless NC State also gets a home in a new conference.

@brandysmith3977 Ай бұрын

The bill I referred to passed committee but has not yet made it to the floor. What you say about the Board of Governors is true.

@artycat0811 Ай бұрын

So, the P64 who's leaving the NCAA...the new "G5" coalition/playoffs.....and the B12/ACC by themselves maybe playing each other? Good luck with that B12/ACC.... when the faculty and fans come to grips with reality we would love to have you in the "G5" coalition/playoff.

@jermainemouzon4909 Ай бұрын

😭Who did you you talk to? We heard Oklahoma/Texas would never be in the SEC but here we are. The same can be said for Oregon/Washington in the BIG yet here they are. At the end of the day no one knows what's going on behind the scenes no matter who you talk to. If something was going down why would they let it out the bad prematurely.

@crypt_yt9328 Ай бұрын

Have u talked to like less than 100 ppl? Bc plenty want Clemson and fsu in or atleast one of em lol and it would benefit both programs greatly financially and it would also give them a toughness test and truly see how well they stack up against the top tier programs in that conference more often

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

The reporting is that the SEC and B1G have no interest in FSU and CLEMSON, not the reverse.

@feliciastewart4563 Ай бұрын

You lighted my heart

@seminoleboy96 Ай бұрын

Same goobers who said Big10 wasn’t taking Oregon and Washington

@CouzsCornerSports Ай бұрын

Actually, Brett said for a year that the Big 10 wanted Oregon and Washington.

@JS-cu3mv Ай бұрын

The big 10 always wanted Washington and Oregon, especially Washington’s academic reputation and billion dollars it spends on research and development.

@seminoleboy96 Ай бұрын

@@JS-cu3mv and yet all the reports beforehand including by Brett were Big10 not taking em

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@seminoleboy96 Two things appear to have happened to change B1G's interest in WASH/ORE: a) Unexpected PAC incompetence resulting in W/O in severe distress. b) UNC swinging to heavily favor the SEC, UVA going dark.

@PurpleHazeVanNederlands Ай бұрын

Cope. UW/UO came at discounted rates, added new recruitng grounds, it was before the tv contract negotiations, and they didn't sue their own conference due to a temper tantrum over a UCF level 55th SOS after turning down an invite to a stronger conference when it benefited them more

@EarvinWilliams-gb2qd Ай бұрын

I might be stupid but if university presidents from the SEC and Big go on record and say we want FSU or Clemson ain't that tampering?

@SurferRC Ай бұрын

Correct they cant show interest until the legal hurdles are cleared

@terrysmith2883 Ай бұрын

Great video

@cfb1923 Ай бұрын

This will never stop. The best schools in the Pac 12, Big 12 and ACC either got out or are looking to get out for greener pastures. Let's say Georgia wins 5 straight national titles. What then? No conference is good enough for Georgia and they go independent? As long as humans fall victim to greed and entitlement this thing never stops.

@philstamper4542 Ай бұрын

Of course, people from the Big Ten or SEC are going to say they don’t want Florida State and Clemson, they have to because they’re still in the ACC

@graysonganoosh2437 Ай бұрын

If the SEC or Big 10 were looking to add FSU and Clemson, these leaks would not come from them. You don't besmirch the reputation of a future member with these rumors. You also don't allow the other Power 2 conference to say "like the stories said, we didn't want them because it didn't make financial sense and their broken relationships, etc etc". Anyone who works in marketing knows the 5 to 1 PR rule to rebuild a reputation. Your membership reflects your conference's image and you wouldn't trash that of a future member's.

@leewilliams6354 Ай бұрын

@@graysonganoosh2437 Based off what

@brandonringer7592 Ай бұрын

@@graysonganoosh2437 ... Right so who are the sources? No one knows

@josephterrell2835 Ай бұрын

This is the silliest point I hear... no they do not have to say that. This is all off the record stuff. Could their interest change?? Of course, but nothing prevents them from saying they'd be interested if they were free of the ACC. This is PAC 12 level copium.

@johnfridayxiii8455 Ай бұрын

Yes it do

@JesseDouglas456 Ай бұрын

Seems to be a timing issue. FSU & Clemson want to be out of the ACC yesterday, while the P2 have each freshly expanded and would prefer to wait before adding even more members. Whenever you read about the B1G not wanting FSU or the SEC not wanting Clemson, add the words "right now" to the end of the sentence. If the Big-12 is able to be a temporary home to bridge that gap then it could be a win-win.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

Both the SEC and B1G would immediately invite UVA and UNC when either is both willing and able to accept. It's not a timing issue other than ND, UVA & UNC have to move first before the SEC/B1G will consider CLEMSON/FSU. CLEMSON seems to know its place while FSU doesn't and has been reckless.

@JesseDouglas456 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Not at all, but keep repeating the same inane bullshit on every (and I mean EVERY) FSU related video if that's what suits you.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@JesseDouglas456 If FSU and its fans can't accept the realities after all of the reporting, the CFP snub, and this recent brutal article, then FSU will never make the P2 Tier 1 cut.

@JesseDouglas456 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 The reality is that FSU will absolutely be in one of the P2 conferences in the near future. My point above is that you CLEARLY have an obsession with all things FSU, as I see you making the same comments on every video, pretending you have some sort of inside information and ignoring the way that conference realignment has always played out in the past. The fact that you deliberately seek out FSU content, while NO ONE cares that much about UNC, should tell you all you need to know about who really moves the needle.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@JesseDouglas456 a) If the SEC and B1G are only going to 20 max in the near future, how would FSU get an invite? b) I am obsessed with this overall realignment story and how FSU has likely become a cautionary tale. c) I have never claimed inside info, I just reconcile the available evidence. d) Further realignment largely hinges on UNC, as the B1G and SEC are waiting on it and ND.

@CouzsCornerSports Ай бұрын

Doesn’t the Big 12 have an option to bring in a third network if they add more teams and FOX and ESPN aren’t willing to pay more?

@graysonganoosh2437 Ай бұрын

I believe you're correct, but it really limits which games the new network would have the rights to air. I believe it would be limited to the 4th or 5th pick every week, not rotating for the 1st pick with ESPN & Fox, and not 3rd in line either.

@PCSPounder Ай бұрын

@@CouzsCornerSports You think that would go over well with the existing networks? I sincerely think otherwise.

@opeydedon2279 Ай бұрын

@@PCSPounder i have not heard or read anything any differant on them having a statement in any contract that prohibits the big12 from asking a third network to come in. So it would not surprise me to see someone else come into the bakery to grab the pie that much bigger.

@opeydedon2279 Ай бұрын

i put this under the wrong person so sorry for it being twice. Couz, I have not heard or read anything any differant on them having a statement in any contract that prohibits the big12 from asking a third network to come in. So it would not surprise me to see someone else come into the bakery to grab the pie that much bigger.

@rwtindall Ай бұрын

When you sue your current conference for a contract YOU agreed to, what does that tell prospective conferences about bringing you onboard? Plus, what do these two schools bring to the table?

@JamesJONES-ob4hv Ай бұрын

So if the Networks are maxed out how would they be able to pay for more teams if the Acc implodes 🤔 please somebody answer that for me?

@eujr4SC Ай бұрын

They can’t and refuse to do so. They somehow think that ESPN, who Brett pointed out, is currently paying $30M for FSU and every other ACC school, is gonna throw bags of cash for more expansion. Why would they agree to pay a penny more for them in the Big12? On top of the fact they’ve tried to drag ESPN through the mud. The B1G also doesn’t have to pay any more either. So the Big12’s options are to find another tv partner, private equity, or every Big12 schools takes a pay cut to add FSU and Clemson.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

It's my understanding that the SEC deal has a full pro rata for staggered +2 waves; however, the BIG12 used its 4 pro rata slots and the B1G only has pro rata for named additions (e.g. ND).

@JamesJONES-ob4hv Ай бұрын

@eujr4SC well if they can't and refuse to do so , that makes Brett's stance on the two leagues being maxed out is not valid. Can't a refuse to do are oxymorons . The same as the two leagues saying that they don't want FSU OR CLEMSON at the same time saying if the ACC collapses they will be forced to take these teams is what Brett said?

@eujr4SC Ай бұрын

@@JamesJONES-ob4hv Sorry I meant “they” in the sense of Big12/conference realignment crazed folks that think the ACC is going to imminently collapse, can’t explain how that would happen if ESPN controls a majority of their tv deal and Fox a minority. Brett pretty much said what does ESPN gain by paying more for FSU in the Big12 if they are already paying $30M for them in the ACC. The other conferences don’t have to take them and the B1G and SEC right now are taking the stance they won’t expand unless the ACC entirely falls apart. Which at this point is unlikely unless 8 other schools join FSU and Clemson in voiding the current grant of rights. Something a good chunk of ACC schools would not benefit to agree to do.

@bamaboy1067 Ай бұрын

FSU had the chance to join the SEC in early 90s. Them and Miami were offered and said no. SEC got South Carolina and Arkansas.

@52778mrt Ай бұрын

That was then.

@brandonringer7592 Ай бұрын

Round 2, FSU was rejected by Florida who had original member rights

@PurpleHazeVanNederlands Ай бұрын

@@52778mrtNow the offer isn't on the table

@r.guardia9107 Ай бұрын

It’s was all about Acc basketball back then . Times have changed drastically since 1991.

@garrettweiss1093 Ай бұрын

They also had another chance to go to the big 12 with Texas as Oklahoma and they snubbed that as well.

@markellzey1531 Ай бұрын

I get why the SEC doesn't want Florida State and Clemson but it seems like a dream for the Big 10 to have two schools in SEC country.

@SurferRC Ай бұрын

It is, but espn wont let that viewership money go without a fight

@encycl07pedia- Ай бұрын

They'd get sued into oblivion by the ACC and ACC schools for tampering if they expressed interest publicly... Why do people not get this?

@encycl07pedia- Ай бұрын

They can't say they want FSU without having to deal with lawsuits for tampering.

@tarheel7406 14 күн бұрын

Both would wither on B1G islands in SEC country.

@robertstuart480 Ай бұрын

I can definitely see the SEC not rreally caring about those schools, but the B1G is not going to turn down getting a footprint in Florida and South Carolina. That's SEC country. Plus, there are a bunch of fans of B1G teams that live in both states.

@gregorybiestek3431 Ай бұрын

Sorry you are wrong. Average Big Ten TV Rating 5.94 million viewers. Clemson Average TV Rating 3.08 million. Florida State Average TV Rating 3.17 million viewers. - Nielsen Ratings. As for advertisers Average Big Ten state has 37 Fortune 1000 companies, while South Carolina has just 6, and Florida State (northern half) has 20. Both Clemson & Florida State are smaller markets with smaller fan bases.

@justinmanies2350 Ай бұрын

@@gregorybiestek3431 FSU was 9th in the country last year in Neilson viewership at 4.16 million.

@SurferRC Ай бұрын

@@justinmanies23505.38 actually 7th most in the known universe

@webmoore4353 Ай бұрын

Likely a big pause here because P2 can only get so big. I think Big Ten has appetite to go bigger but SEC unlikely to go above 20. Fewer teams if interest to them. Therefore, B1G needs to stay similar or lose per school money to SEC peers because pie can only be do big. Also, the P2 has been at 12 core members the longest. Do they want new teams to outnumber old ones? I bet 12 teams per conference have thoughts there

@user-do4ue7di7h Ай бұрын

The acc should expand west

@lastpme Ай бұрын

I think their main problem was they needed to work their exit behind the scenes. When the others schools left, they didn’t announce it before they had another invite from another conference. Forcing an exit without an invite loses any leverage they would have to get into a better conference. Also for the Big 12, why add FSU after they are trying to burn down the ACC which means they would do the same thing to the Big 12.

@ToddRobinson13 Ай бұрын

That's exactly what Texas did.

@CarlaJenkinsTV Ай бұрын

Nobody wanted FSU after that 63-3 Orange Bowl debacle. They're third tier brands and will stay there.

@seminoleboy96 Ай бұрын

@@CarlaJenkinsTVanother room temp IQ Buckeye fan. Remind me how you did in your meaningless bowl game.

@tet2755 Ай бұрын

@@ToddRobinson13brother...Texas and Oklahoma were going to leave when their Big 12 deal was up. They ended up negotiating an exit for 1 year earlier. The ACC deal goes until 2036. The situations are COMPLETELY different. The penalty + grant of rights to leave the ACC is $500,000,000. And the ACC wants their money. The other conferences don't want to get dragged into a lawsuit. Of course, to the public, they're saying all the right things until this lawsuit gets settled.

@tet2755 Ай бұрын

Texas and Oklahoma paid $100M COMBINED to leave the Big 12. FSU and Clemson, if they lose the lawsuit, would have to pay $500M EACH to leave the ACC. And you think they just decided to bounce without an offer in hand...dude, think about it. These are multi-billion dollar organizations with huge political influence. They ain't flying by the seat of their pants.

@ericpollitt7910 Ай бұрын

If this was UVA and UNC there would not be any controversy because those 2 conferences want to be there at those states. Also ND is still a factor in this and yet no mention of them. 🧐

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

Neither UVA nor UNC would go scorched earth.

@graysonganoosh2437 Ай бұрын

Those schools have way, way more class.

@brandonringer7592 Ай бұрын

@@graysonganoosh2437 Only going scorched earth because the ACC wouldn't budge on payouts. Even the commissioner stated recently that losing FSU and Clemson will lose the ACC 200m. Well if you're going to lose 200m, it's time to get your conference together to come up with a solution to pay both Clemson and FSU near 50/60m a year and everyone else gets the leftovers. If the best the conference commissioner can do is get scraps, then the non big powers like Wake Forest, Virginia, GT, etc etc can all eat scraps

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@brandonringer7592 Typical nonsense. Unequal distributions are a fatal poison. Your expectation and demand is one of the reasons FSU will end up in the BIG12.

@PurpleHazeVanNederlands Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406FSU fans have acted exactly how I thought they would after the CFP committee wasn't impressed by their UCF 2017 level 55th SOS vs Alabama top 3 SOS/ Texas top 5 SOS and didn't want a repeat of UGA-TCU. Notice how none of the r/cfb casual fans mention Liberty being "screwed" because deep down they know SOS matters and turned down the SEC when SOS mattered less during poll era.

@user-tx1mk1en6s Ай бұрын

SEC has a clause in the media contract that if they add schools they will increase payout to pay for those schools!

@EeeeAaaa-pf2fh Ай бұрын

If this is all done around tv contracts you have to wait until the new contracts are going to be in place . Besides some teams are just not going to be wanted all the time , while some teams will. Expansion will be more selective in the future , some of that seems to be happening now .

@brandonringer7592 Ай бұрын

Brett is stating all his opinion...

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

He's quoting (albeit unnamed) high level conference insiders.

@brandonringer7592 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Hes stating his opinion.... He's not getting his opinion from SEC or Big10 commissioners who have to distance themselves due to lawsuits from the ACC for tampering. Even the excuses given are nonsense since 1. USC, and Texas were more disruptive. 2. They won't touch FSU but picked up Washington and Oregon, neither are ahead of viewership and revenue over FSU. 3. Neither Texas or anyone from the PAC had to pay a 600m extortion fee to leave the conference. It was a sub 200m fee which the SEC paid off Texas and OUs

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@brandonringer7592 FSU fan denial is amazing. a) One may can't express desire, but they also don't have to be negative. b) USC and TEXAS handled this in the correct, upper right manner. c) WASH/ORE have higher relative value than FSU from the B1G perspective. d) The barriers to leave seem irrelevant to attractiveness notwithstanding.

@brandonringer7592 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 It's not denial... The Big 12, albeit media rights deal ends earlier, makes less then the ACC .. this makes no sense. The ACC states they will lose 200m between both FSU and Clemson then FSU and Clemson could make somewhere in the ball park of 50/60m being independent... FSU would already have Miami, Clemson, and Florida on a schedule. Add a Notre Dame and 4 more schools then you have a descent P5 schedule and could easily pull in a higher fee then the ACC

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@brandonringer7592 a) It's denial of the lack of SEC/B1G interest in FSU. b) The ACC is already managing its decline to the Tier 2 and assuming UNC, CLEMSON & FSU will leave. To where isn't that relevant. c) Your math isn't that simple. Synergies matter. The high value alumni bases in the ACC matter. FSU and CLEMSON aren't worth that much as an indy. d) You think ND will schedule FSU or CLEMSON out of conference after leaving? Only the BIG12 would likely accept FSU's other sports, and why would they unless FSU came in as a full? Sorry, but FSU and CLEMSON were always seen as disposable to the SEC/B1G. FSU thought way too highly of itself and made poor decisions based on that false belief. All the decision makers know that it was warned but ignored.

@brandonringer7592 Ай бұрын

Why is no one talking about how FSU could make more being independent then being in the ACC...

@trclark7689 Ай бұрын

FSU would have to find a television partner and one that's willing to produce their own content.

@timkinley1779 Ай бұрын

Than. Because you need a conference to get games these days because of TV viewership rights. If league teams get eight or nine conference games, the only openings less are home game cupcakes and a week one neutral venue and/or their rivalry week game. That old home-and-home thing is slowly dissolving for the big programs.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

The BIG12 will have the leverage to say all sports or none.

@williamdavidnew4719 Ай бұрын

What is the difference between Oklahoma and Texas becoming traitors and the scene with Clemson and Florida State?

@SportsNut-h5x Ай бұрын

Oklahoma and Texas waited close to the end of their agreement with the Big 12 and then paid the exit fee. That's the difference.

@SurferRC Ай бұрын

The acc screwed its members

@TurboNFRStwoK Ай бұрын

Wait what!? Someone from the SEC says they don’t want FSU or Clemson because they already have uSC and UF? When they also have Bama and Auburn, vandy and UT, ole miss and Miss ST. Also they want to keep it regional? It doesn’t get anymore regional than FSU. It’s smack dab in the middle of UGA, UF, and Bama. I’m not an expert here but seems to me like that’s those are bs talking points and total non factors.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

Outside of founders, when has the SEC added a #2 with the flag already secured? When has the B1G taken a de facto #2?

@TurboNFRStwoK Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Not sure what you mean by de facto #2. Also I’m not trying to argue if the SEC needs or wants FSU/Clemson. Only that those two reasons sound like bs and don’t seem to be real actual factors in the decision considering they always have multiple teams that are just that.

@PurpleHazeVanNederlands Ай бұрын

@@TurboNFRStwoKHe means non-flagship school, the only tine they did that was ATM when they couldn't get Texas/Oklahoma at the time.

@SurferRC Ай бұрын

Plus fsu and clemson bring millions more views than uf or sc

@SurferRC Ай бұрын

@@TurboNFRStwoKdont listen to tarheel he is not all their mentally

@Florida_Gators Ай бұрын

FSU & Clemson will most likely end up in the B1G Conference.

@EHcatches Ай бұрын

What he says about FSU is true. They are a destructive team. The orange bowl was a perfect example. They’re a money team. All their talent goes through money and will not deliver on bowl and conference games when no one wants to play because “there is nothing in it for them”.

@gordono672 Ай бұрын

That's a good point about how a lot of the best players didn't play in the Orange Bowl- an NY6 game against a top 6 team!

@robertmacgrogan5323 Ай бұрын

@@gordono672 I get that opinions vary on this, but come on. This was after all of those players were told that everything that sacrificed and accomplished that season was meaningless because Nick Saban needed another chance to win a national title. This was kind of a special case, don't you think? Literally everyone on the team played in the Cheez-It bowl the year before.

@jakehutchison5761 Ай бұрын

Well if you had an entire team of seniors who all came back to win a title and the channel your bowl game is on was the responisible party for screwing you out of the playoff you might view it differently

@SurferRC Ай бұрын

Clown take

@willpsone Ай бұрын

@7:37 Slight correction- the reason this all started was FSU wanted unequal distribution **after** the SEC/Big 10 started getting crazy money. Things would be a bit more understandable and FSU seen as less of a bad partner if this had been a long simmering issue the fact is FSU and Clemson had no issues until the SEC/Big 10 deals blew up and that is why others are/should be wary of them.

@graysonganoosh2437 Ай бұрын

Great point.

@JesseY-if7iz Ай бұрын

Not true at all. FSU was the last hold out on this crappy media rights deal and was basically forced to sign it or be screwed. Also a lot of promises regarding money were made in the media rights deal that have not been fulfilled. All will come to light. FSU wanted to stay in ACC but impossible to compete there with revenue gaps so large. Don’t see how they are the bad guys in this case.

@merl-bz1bx Ай бұрын

whats the next topic? its two months until football season

@roblewis76 Ай бұрын

Arizona state and Utah? They are not in anyway comparable to Florida State!

@kenyafadel6142 Ай бұрын

Oh wow! astounding

@jerrygibbons3772 7 күн бұрын

They said they didn't want Oregon and Washington , until it was clear the Pac was breaking up so its comparing apples and orages FSU and Clemson would have to leave first to get an invitation because the Big10 dont want to tear up another confrence. In the Pac Colorado leaving was not enough for them to know the Pac was breaking up, but the moment the Arizonas jumped ship they knew the Pac was not going to make it so they invited Wash and Oregon, And thats what they are saying here unless they know the ACC is breaking up they will not be putting out invitations, Its very interesting to see how this plays out

@stephanledford9792 Ай бұрын

Both the SEC and Big Ten have to be careful about the legal ramifications of trying to "steal" a team from another intact conference. My guess is that once Clemson / FSU / any other ACC team leaves, then the picture will change.

@Mzbbxhfbfnsx Ай бұрын

Brett McMurphy being an Oklahoma State grad comes off as a little biased. If he was a North Carolina State grad, for instance, he would be singing a different tune.

@dbenedict357 Ай бұрын

@@Mzbbxhfbfnsx where he graduated doesn’t matter here… think to yourself.. what caused the expansion? It was $$. As he mentioned.. B10 or SEC adding more teams doesn’t increase the TV revenue. There WAS a clause in the TV contracts for adding Tex/OU that increased the TV contract for SEC. Same for B10. But there is no clause for FURTHER expansion. So B10/SEC will wait for next TV contract and add another clause for expansion… then add the teams.

@PurpleHazeVanNederlands Ай бұрын

None of the BIG/SEC presidents who spoke to him on the terms of anonymity are lying, FSU brings more trouble than they are worth, cope

@r.guardia9107 Ай бұрын

Mz, He also reported the Big 10 had no interest in Oregon and Washington….That aged nicely?

@davidvines6498 Ай бұрын

Denial is necessary if the Big10 or SEC do not want litigation by the ACC and its remaining Schools. Each conference has to wait on Clemson or FSU to outright ask to join one or the other.

@tarheel7406 14 күн бұрын

Ye the same insiders are saying who they do want. You're in denial.

@kevinabell4690 Ай бұрын

Clickbait lol

@mikemclendon4962 Ай бұрын

Cause we got too much legal baggage .

@jamieflynn9697 Ай бұрын

If any acc teams join the big ten they will have to pay back UMD about $80 million before being approved . Umd had to pay 30 million to leave and the acc screwed scheduling over the last year. If more than one are admitted they can split it between them. That was money they took from UMD and now they are asking UMD not to veto them so it’s just fair to return the money plus interest .

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

There are no vetoes for B1G expansion, and I doubt MAYLAND has much sway.

@jeffreyallen2778 29 күн бұрын

Problem is that FSU and Clemson don't add revenue to the SEC. I'm a gamecock fan and would love to add clemson. Make the palmetto bowl a conference rivalry. FSU has been so disruptive I don't think anyone will be receptive to having them come in. I don't see either one will be in SEC since they are already in the footprint. SEC would probably take unc or ncstate and UVA or VA tech. Whichever 2 they could get for the added revenue.

@adam-thesportsguy6147 Ай бұрын

No conference can openly say they want FSU, Miami, Clemson etc. They would face legal action. Let’s see who’s interested in these programs the minute that they’re legally available.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

They also don't need to speak negatively, which they did.

@adam-thesportsguy6147 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 thats the issue. UNC and Miami want out of the situation just as bad…they just weren’t willing to burn all bridges as well as taking on the financial fight to set the standard of cost to leave the ACC early…it that is possible. With a 12 team playoff I’d rather Miami stay in the ACC…if you can’t finish Top 2 in the ACC you don’t deserve a playoff birth. As far as money goes…these school have multi-billion $ endowments…they can all afford to spend as much on football as it takes to have the level of program they desire.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@adam-thesportsguy6147 While MIAMI is arguably the most responsible for the ACC's current situation, it hasn't barked or blamed others like FSU. From what I see, MIAMI has allied with ND for a future coattail effort to the B1G. Just let FSU continue to dig its own grave. FSU simply still doesn't see where it stands and how it's viewed. It ignored private and public warnings. Many news reports, analysts, and the CFP snub still hasn't gotten through. Amazing, a cautionary tale.

@cgiii2440 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406it's called leverage, they want a discount I'm sure FSU & Clem knows what happened between USC/UCLA get full payment vs Ore/Wash who had to take less money right after say the exact same sh!t "not interested in" Ore/Wash and the B12 is something someone purposely leaked for leverage..all these gears and levers are being pulled behind the scenes but I all but guarantee nobody @ those 2 pulled this trigger without prior knowledge of how this is gonna shake out pre lawsuit.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@cgiii2440 The denial is amazing. The B1G would have preferred WASH/ORE wait out in a Tier 2 PAC or BIG12. The P2 don't care where C/F wait things out. CLEMSON and FSU are disposable to the SEC/B1G. FSU is desperate, so it is throwing a Hail Mary. CLEMSON is smarter and is the face of a joint litigation effort with UNC in exchange for a coattail.

@BDW0000 Ай бұрын

Who cares. Lets get back to football. Can't wait for the season. Whatever conference FSU is in will be interesting.

@josephterrell2835 Ай бұрын

The money to the Big 12 would only work if: A: ESPN was able to draw down on ACC contract at the "look in" due to FSU/Clemson exit. B: Private equity paid off the exit fees and ESPN/FOX was happy to pay the current 30+M Big 12 rate for FSU/Clemson. C: Yormark was able to use the ADs to use the Allstate money to boost the yearly takes for FSU/Clemson as he awaits the CFP look in. Big 12 is realistic. It is a slow walking up the ladder to the 3rd by any means necessary. At some point that likely still doesn't matter as it may be just the 2 owning all the pieces but for the foreseeable future ESPN/FOX has no desire to pay more schools 80+ M. Big 12 is smart to make themselves that 50-60M tier 2 option. That could last 20+ years or 2. Depends a lot on when more big money gets into sports programming: Amazon or Apple go all in??

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

How can ESPN draw down an already way under market deal? Remember that the following conference got ~$30M per: WVU (small state low prestige flag) CINCY (G5) UCF (G5) BYU (special/unique P5 remainder equivalent) HOUSTON (G5) IOWAST (low population state #2) KSTATE (low population state #2) OKSTATE (low population state #2, solid overall sports) KANSAS (vanilla flag, blue basketball) TCU (G5 equivalent) BAYLOR (G5 equivalent) TXTECH (G5 equivalent)

@TR-cp1fo Ай бұрын

*for now

@dfausti66 Ай бұрын

It is not a wonder that private equities are getting involved in this one. They are not an athletic conference that is tax-exempt. Private Equities are very much for profit and they will seek controlling interest in the schools.

@tonygerrell2271 Ай бұрын

This is an opinion…. The important part is what isn’t being said. Commissioners of these conferences aren’t speaking in absolutes but are expressing possibilities in their language. Do you seriously think discussions aren’t being had with conference heads (back channels)? Click bait Baby! Remember B1G didn’t want Oregon and Washington, years back. Don’t be fooled.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

Curious... For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC (and B1G)?

@xfacta334 Ай бұрын

Lmao at thinking the SEC or B1G don't want FSU or Clemson or both....thats what they're supposed to say. The money is talking to who it needs to talk to right now and Brett's not on the list. It's not IF the ACC blows up it's WHEN and Brett knows that much, that's why he keeps using that senario to caveat his clickbait.

@ThomasMilton-gn1bf Ай бұрын

If my Noles Win it all we'll be able to go where ever we want Nobody is Brave enough to admit that

@hillbillysceptic1982 Ай бұрын

The SEC is not dumb enough to let the two best teams from the second best football conference. The B!G hasn’t won a national title without cheating in 20yrs. sankey wants the SEC to stay regional. As on as the legal stuff is over, there will be an announcement.

@graysonganoosh2437 Ай бұрын

Yeah... so before they invite a school, they drag their name through the trash? A conference's membership reflects their image and the SEC or Big 10 wouldn't besmirch that of a future member's.

@rhh3828 Ай бұрын

I don’t think Clemson is big enough tbh. Small school with minimal history. When Dabo leaves, Clemson won’t be a big value add. North Carolina and FSU are the big money makers and any conference would want them. I’d put the Virginia schools over Clemson

@Knightowl1980 Ай бұрын

That’s just crazy, that FSU would go through all this and not have a landing spot , I think they were too hasty in their lawsuit

@bryanprice6913 Ай бұрын

@@Knightowl1980 nah... Everything is rumors at this point. People putting the cart before the horse. FSU is focused on the lawsuit and the upcoming season. No one will know true intentions until the suit is done.

@Knightowl1980 Ай бұрын

@@bryanprice6913 oh I agree. I just like to discuss it, they’re not gonna risk tampering accusations either .

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@bryanprice6913 Rumors? These reporters and analysts aren't reporting what they are hearing around their own offices. They are reporting what relevant conference insiders with high positions are saying directly to the reporters. FSU and CLEMSON's dec judgment requests are actually a bit late. Claims related to the CAL+2 expansion are premature. FSU's claims accusing the ACC of misdeeds were foolish.

@jermainemouzon4909 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 oh please..no one knows what going on.all these "insider" tips might not even be true. Also, in hindsight adding those new schools was the ACC way of lessening the blow when teams do leave. Why else would they add teams that bring no value to the ACC to have to share an already limited revenue.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@jermainemouzon4909 a) All of the insiders have been consistent for 3 freakin' years! b) FSU will definitely be gone, but ~100% to the BIG12. c) CAL+2 was preemptive backfill and to sate ND. d) CAL+2 work for a managed decline to the Tier 2. As things stand, UNC/CLEMSON would go SEC; FSU to BIG12.

@Krohnutz Ай бұрын

So, can ACC people tell me if the Swofford book cooking thing was true or not? It isn't "disruptive" if it is true. I don't follow the ACC that closely, was it true?

@tarheel7406 14 күн бұрын

The ACC had a long-standing relationship with Raycom well before Swofford.

@terryfox9344 Ай бұрын

Thanks for the information. I do hate the idea that a school might want to destroy a conference because it really means harming other schools and the lives of players, coaches, and countless people interested in those schools.

@vistatiger7493 Ай бұрын

That ship has sailed. Numerous schools have bolted the Big 12 since its beginning in the 90's.

@JesseY-if7iz Ай бұрын

FSU first choice was to stay in ACC, they didn’t want to pay more leaving FSU no options. Sorry but we are you making 50 mil less than the comp per year you aren’t competing for long. Blame the chase for $ for destroying college football.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@JesseY-if7iz Unequal distributions is a long-term poison. Asking conferences members to invest more in football while taking away resources doesn't work very well. FSU and its fans still don't get it. Everyone understands why FSU needs to move if the ACC can't close the revenue gap. It's how FSU has gone about things.

@jamieflynn9697 Ай бұрын

Acc will survive. It’s in the interest of the Big Ten and SEC for the acc to survive. Unc and Uva are trapped by their larger brothers NC state and VT that won’t tolerate being left in a 2nd rate conference. Also those schools aren’t huge flagships and have smaller alumni populations. Not a fit for the Big Ten.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

UVA and UNC both passed on the B1G during the realignment that ended with MD and RUT. The B1G has reached its highwater mark unless it effectively and heavily expands south.

@robertmacgrogan5323 Ай бұрын

Everyone in the ACC is already trapped in a second rate conference.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@robertmacgrogan5323 The ACC is #2 in athletic success (at least top-level). What would that make the B1G and even worse BIG12?

@jamieflynn9697 Ай бұрын

The big ten took the acc’s most valuable school and market area. The acc scurried around in abject panic and made their situation even worse.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@jamieflynn9697 MARYLAND? You do know that UVA and UNC passed before the B1G settled with UMD and RUT, right?

@JohnnyBushwhacker-yv6bc Ай бұрын

Brett McMurphy is a stunod. A nimbus.

@gregnelson1330 Ай бұрын

I'm back to saying NO to FSU. Yormark should go after Clemson, Miami, Louisville & NCST. Later revisit the best basketball brands.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

Why would any ACC member move to the already Tier 2 BIG12 if FSU is the only member that leaves?

@jk3053 Ай бұрын

Because consolidation of big brands into the next big thing is what needs to happen... smu, boston college, wake forest, Pittsburgh and a few others can be left behind

@brandonringer7592 Ай бұрын

@@jk3053 SMU is sadly being overlooked. They have deep pockets and will be able to out recruit as well due to location. Sad really, because with NIL there is a place for them to get to the 3rd best ACC team. Resources, fertile recruiting ground, deep NIL pockets and boosters

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@jk3053 The BIG12 is now all left behind schools.

@SurferRC Ай бұрын

Fsu brings more viewership money than all those schools combined

@RaymondPexton Ай бұрын

SEC wants florida state, Clemson, louisville and virginia

@340_ISLANDBOI Ай бұрын

Dude said he spoke to the whole world. This guy is making no type of sense

@thehuntersight7548 Ай бұрын

You didnt talk to Aggies

@mikemclendon4962 Ай бұрын

FSU , Miami , Notre Dame all were competitive as independents. And in the Hunt evey year . Imagine that.

@chandlerwhite8302 Ай бұрын

@@mikemclendon4962 It’s not 1978 anymore, Einstein. You can’t survive that way financially anymore, unless you are Notre Dame and have your own network TV contract and spot in the playoff. Miami and the Criminoles aren’t going to get that.

@r.guardia9107 Ай бұрын

This 🤡also said Washington and Oregon weren’t going to the Big 10. That aged nicely.

@SurferRC Ай бұрын

They will show interest when they are legally allowed to…

@brett8078 Ай бұрын

Tennessee and vandy, auburn and Alabama. Texas am and now texas. 😂

@DymaxionDon Ай бұрын

As a lifelong SEC fan, I welcome Texas and Oklahoma with open arms and under no circumstances would want FSU or Clemson.

@ashefell Ай бұрын

nobody cares

@DymaxionDon Ай бұрын

@@ashefell Thanks for making it clear to everyone why the SEC and Big10 do not want schools like FSU and Clemson.

@jake300win Ай бұрын

"Sec fan" 😂

@MarkyMark1221 Ай бұрын

How does a grown man become a “fan” of a conference?

@SurferRC Ай бұрын

@@jake300winexactly these d riders are hilarious

@thetruth1446 Ай бұрын

FSU has always acted Snobby, nobody wanted them to begin with 🤣

@Central_Media3656 Ай бұрын

If the ACC implodes, and Big 12 adds Miami, UL, VT, and NCST (and/or Pitt), thats a rock solid conference and this all becomes a P3. no more P2.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

How does taking more P5 remainders at ~pro rata while the P2 get more valuable per member make the BIG12 a peer P3?

@djjinn213 Ай бұрын

This is just idiotic!!! FSU tried to do it the right way for years and is believe me FSU is what they say they are. They bring 👀 to new conference and according to the media contracts if they add new teams the conference will be compensated for each team added. Know your facts before you speak. 😅😅😅

@adam-thesportsguy6147 Ай бұрын

FSU is most valuable with as a package deal. You’ll have a hard time making me believe that the B1G would turn down the recruiting footprint expansion into Florida as well as the historic rivalry.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

MIAMI doesn't need to package with FSU. In fact, FSU would be an anchor.

@PurpleHazeVanNederlands Ай бұрын

BIG added all the west coast power schools and pretty much none of the best Cali players in this year's class

@gregorybiestek3431 Ай бұрын

Clemson has: Metro Area = 850,000; Alumni = 176,000; Fortune 1000 Sponsors = 6; Average TV Rating 3.08 million viewers. Meanwhile Florida State has: Metro Area = 350,000; Alumni = 400,000; Fortune 1000 Sponsors =20; & Average TV Rating 3.17 million viewers. That does NOT cut it!

@mattperry5789 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 FSU is more valuable than Miami

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@mattperry5789 Not from the perspective of the B1G and ND.

@JS-cu3mv Ай бұрын

Clemson is not a big brand or tv market team. They just had a few good years, so overrated. FSU is a fit for the Big 10, and they despise the SEC.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

FSU is not a flag, not AAU, would be on a B1G island.

@jermainemouzon4909 Ай бұрын

That overrated team you speak of is only one of four P5 teams to go 15-0

@dlksjax Ай бұрын

This is a bunch of back biting rumor mill bullshit!

@Mzbbxhfbfnsx Ай бұрын

What does “back biting” mean ?

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

Amazing denial. Scanning down the referenced McMurphy article, he references or quotes: a) In general "university presidents, conference personnel, athletic directors, network executives and consultants" b) 3 SEC presidents These aren't the junior high rumors that FSU fans swallow daily. I do snicker at the idea suggested in the article of FSU ever being able to rally the ACC or a group of members to do anything. UNC is the crucial member for times like these, and ND always acts for its own interests only. FSU has wasted any ability it did have to so rally.

@geraldos9094 Ай бұрын

SEC: We don’t mind Clemson, but we don’t want Dabo…..he’s too sensitive.

@timmeyer9191 25 күн бұрын

SEC doesn't want FSU or Clemson because they have Florida and South Carolina? They had Texas A&M as well, but that didn't stop them from adding the Texas Longhorns.

@tarheel7406 14 күн бұрын

TEXAS is a flagship and is a top-level athletic program and institution.

@tcollie2211 Ай бұрын

@Brett_McMurphy - With all due respect to the Hoos, Virginia is NOT the main university in the Commonwealth of Virginia ... especially when it comes to football. Does the SEC really want a university with a consistent 3-8 season record that has a hard time filling 40% of their stadium?

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

If you say so, but the SEC prefers UVA, likely for a number of reasons.

@opeydedon2279 Ай бұрын

@tcllie2211 all of UVa sports as a whole make a great deal of money. so not only that is intriguing, so is there political clot. And international presence as a high academic university any conferance would crave.

@SurferRC Ай бұрын

Tarheel will tell you the only words he knows 🤡🤦🏼‍♂️😂

@tarheel7406 14 күн бұрын

@@SurferRC You will have to do better.

@danielmarley9922 Ай бұрын

FSU and Clemson next year…. ***texts ACC*** “U up?”

@52778mrt Ай бұрын

The SEC and B10 have created a situation where they outpace everyone for the dollar and were about to pay players out of that pot. So they've created pro football in college and they're keeping Northwestern and Vandy in their leagues. So if FSU and Clemson are "disruptive" it's because of the situation they created.

@A1Googler Ай бұрын

Huh?! The Big Ten marketed itself and created large alumni bases and created its own network so it could demand top dollar. It is not, was not the Big Ten's responsibility to lookout for the ACC's media deal. The ACC made their bed. The ACC poached the Big East. Destroyed the Big East. Texas destroyed the Big 12. Now you are blaming the Big Ten?

@Wuan2347 Ай бұрын

Don’t listen to social media people be smart 😂

@DPM_182 Ай бұрын

Brett McMurphy is completely missing the mark. OF COURSE this is what the Big Ten and SEC are saying!! It's what they HAVE to say!! Brett was 100% wrong about Oregon and UW and I would be willing to bet that he's ultimately 100% wrong about the Big Ten and SEC not wanting FSU and Clemson. When push comes to shove, matchups generate revenue and the cream of the crop of the ACC are FSU and Clemson. Are you telling me having them in the conference won't generate more revenue than Rutgers, Maryland, Purdue, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana, Wisconsin do, or SEC teams like Vanderbilt, Arkansas State, Kentucky do? It's just a joke when he says these TV networks are maxed out in terms of spending. If there is more revenue to be made, there is more money to spend! FSU and Clemson will have landing spots. It may not be full share, but they will 100% have a spot in the P2. Bad take Brett

@gordono672 Ай бұрын

Maybe he had an anecdotal coincidence and only talked to people who were unnecessarily cautious. If the ADs or presidents had just said that FSU and Clemson would be good additions without saying that they were going to pursue adding them, that would just be their opinions.

@joshg1529 Ай бұрын

Vandy doesn’t really count. Kentucky is the prime SEC basketball program but I think the hardest thing is FSU would be middle of the SEC in revenue. The biggest thing is not that FSU might bring more money than someone like Arkansas but you’re probably cost everyone else more money because you’re splitting the money with at least 1 more team.

@gordono672 Ай бұрын

@@joshg1529 Why doesn’t Vandy Count? Sure, I will concede that the SEC may value having a highest tier basketball program over maximizing profit in which case it would be great to see more examples of not maximizing profit in college sports- that would be great for the fans in certain cases. I don't know if FSU and Clemson don't add enough to the SEC to make everyone's share bigger.

@joshg1529 Ай бұрын

@@gordono672 it was mostly a joke about Vandy. They’re just known to be the outlier. They would have to make it when teams make enough money for teams to feel like they’re worth adding and I’m not sure if espn would give them more money.

@gordono672 Ай бұрын

@@joshg1529 OK, I get it in regards to Vandy 😉. It's an interesting intersection where these schools sometimes are loyal to each other, but the lure of better media deals gets in the way of that.

@jasminebennett5030 Ай бұрын

"Strong"

@harryhoesch3793 Ай бұрын

I don't know why Clamsome stooped to FSU's level. Now they both are on this island that no one cares to rescue either of them and add a problem self serving team. When Miami beats them, FSU is no brand.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

CLEMSON hasn't gone scorched earth, but the media is tying it with FSU. CLEMSON should publicly address this.

@SurferRC Ай бұрын

Clueless

@kentoler5396 Ай бұрын

So what would be the purpose of going and getting another Rutgers or Indiana when you talk about getting Virginia?

@PCSPounder Ай бұрын

Larger market with excellent academic reputation. You realize the B1G contract pay more per school than the SEC, right? It’s as if you expect college fans to watch solely based on quality of sport. I can do that watching the NFL. I watch Oregon sports because I went to Oregon and grew up in Oregon, and there’s more people like me than there are flat-out sports fans when it comes to college sports.

@graysonganoosh2437 Ай бұрын

There's belief that college football can make inroads in growing a mid-Atlantic college football audience if one of the premier schools takes it seriously. Akin to if the United States ever fielded a championship caliber soccer team into the World Cup. Limited growth in the usual college football regions.

@GuileMike Ай бұрын

This AAU thing is a joke. It is no longer about academics...

@TheARehmar Ай бұрын

The AAU part is about enormous amounts funding for research etc. and it’s a big deal.

@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 Ай бұрын

The research funding opportunities as an AAU school makes any athletic or media rights deals look like mere pocket change.

@PCSPounder Ай бұрын

You’re hoping it’s no longer about academics. But the B1G wants to know that schools aren’t gaming them to be “on steroids” with athletic funding at the expense of academics. And you could point to Oregon and ask questions, but Uncle Phil started off with the library and the law school before he went nuts with athletic facilities, and now the campus research expansion has his name on it.

@voiceofreason2674 Ай бұрын

The AAU thing is nothing more than a good old boys club hiding behind a whole lot of sound and fury

@Giddygooncave Ай бұрын

It means nothing really. Like OU is an R1 school, a research engine just as large as most AAU schools. They can’t qualify for AAU because their medical school is downtown and not on campus.

@mr.bigglesworthyoumagnific4281 Ай бұрын

Neither are Bluebloods..there's only 7.. having a good few years doesn't make you BB. Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio st, Michigan, Oklahoma ,Texas, USC.. These are the true BBs..these are what draws eyes.. Clemson- Fl st is in the next tier down along teams like Penn st, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Washington, Miami, Florida and a handful more, then everyone else basically..FYI, Nebraska was always considered a BB, some still may have them there but theyve been bad so long and doesn't look like they will ever recover like Texas has..so they're in next tier down..

@daviddejesus5376 Ай бұрын

Excellent analysis and post.

@C-Bus6foot2athlete Ай бұрын

@@mr.bigglesworthyoumagnific4281 Facts, somebody that finally gets it and knows football

@noelhartough2411 Ай бұрын

@@mr.bigglesworthyoumagnific4281 So being finishing in the AP top 5 for 14 consecutive years, winning 3 national championships, winning a P5 countless times- not to mention a couple more championship game losses- you call that having a few good years?

@fiacorvetta Ай бұрын

You mention Washington but not Oregon?

@ChrisL531985 Ай бұрын

How is Notre Dame a BB? They haven’t won a national title in 36 years. Texas is just now showing they are possibly on back on track? Michigan just now won their first national title since 97. FSU has a more recent national title than USC, Notre Dame, Texas, and Oklahoma and Ohio’s states most recent was 2014. FSU ran the 90’s. People are afraid that with Norvell, the name brand of FSU, and more money FSU will compete with anyone. FACTS

@jasonbooth94 Ай бұрын

lol South Carolina over Clemson

@joshg1529 Ай бұрын

Yeah because one is already in the conference and one is not

@jasonbooth94 Ай бұрын

@@joshg1529 derp. You mean like adding Texas when T A&M was already in conference?

@joshg1529 Ай бұрын

@@jasonbooth94 yes but Texas is a bigger state and Texas is one of the biggest programs in the nation.

@jasonbooth94 Ай бұрын

@@joshg1529 ok lol

@joshg1529 Ай бұрын

@@jasonbooth94 my initial point was mostly you might have SC over Clemson just because they’re already in the conference. It might not be that way if you started from scratch

@chrismead6757 Ай бұрын

Why would the SEC add Texas since they already had TAM? Same reason they’d add FSU and Clemson. Both are top 10 watched college football schools. Brett is just trying to get clicks

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

TEXAS is a flagship and has much more base and unique value than CLEMSON or FSU.

@chrismead6757 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 both FSU and Clemson have won ALOT more over the last 30 years than Texas. Texas may have a lot of money but that doesn’t mean FSU or Clemson aren’t flagship school for their states

@tarheel7406 14 күн бұрын

@@chrismead6757 a) Again, TEXAS is a flagship and has much more base and unique value than CLEMSON or FSU. b) Neither FSU nor CLEMSON are de facto state flagships. FLORIDA and USCAR are the respective flagships. CLEMSON seems to know, but FSU and its fans appear to remain ignorant of the fact that it isn't a top expansion priority.

@Adam-pw4jt Ай бұрын

I do think the Big 10 only wants to take AAU schools. I believe allowing non-AAU schools to join would blemish the conference in the eyes of its current members. The SEC does not want Clemson or FSU - they add nothing to the conference - and the fans of those schools don’t want the Big 10. It’s hard for a southern fan base to get excited about any Big 10 school other than Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State visiting for home games. And no Southern fan wants to travel to Big 10 country. Sorry Michigan State and Rutgers. UNC and Virginia are the prettiest girls at the dance for both conferences. Each school is AAU (Big 10) and brings with it new media markets. And for what it’s worth, the fans of neither of those schools cares that much about football, so traveling to the Midwest for away games is not an issue. Those fans don’t travel for football now.

@PCSPounder Ай бұрын

I wonder if the B1G would have voted Oregon in if they knew Uncle Phil was going all out on an NIL offensive. I mean, think of Minnesota, Nebraska, Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Michigan State, Maryland, and Rutgers. Do they really want more competition? (On a side note… maybe they voted them in because they didn’t want USC alone because of a perceived threat to consolidate west coast talent in one place. After all, I assure you USC would have voted against Oregon if given the chance.) My point is that there ARE forces pushing back on unfettered expansion. This isn’t as simple as “just get all the good football schools.”

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

The MARYLAND message board now reeks of apathy.

@505premoto Ай бұрын

Yes. The B1G wants two teams that don’t care about football and would literally lose tens of millions of dollars a year. Guaranteed. They should check them out.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@505premoto a) This is a forever decision. b) They wouldn't "literally lose tens of millions of dollars a year" in the expected future P2 world. Again, if your logic doesn't reconcile with reality, revisit your logic.

@Florida_Gators Ай бұрын

@Adam-pw4jt I see you are mainly looking at this from a fans perspective. Which doesn't fly. College Football has changed, Networks run the show now. And if Fox and the others want FSU & Clemson in the B1G Conference, well, they're going to get what they want. Besides the B1G said before, Not having an AAU Membership is NOT a deal breaker!

@brett8078 Ай бұрын

Acc sued FSU first. 😂