Villagers Hear Gregorian Chant For the First Time

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Brian Holdsworth

Brian Holdsworth

Ай бұрын

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Debate about liturgy and music in the Catholic Church has been so hysterical for so long, that it’s hard to find anything new to say about it, but every now and then, something refreshing will break through and provide a measure of lucidity in a way that the well rehearsed debates don’t.
And for me, that came recently when I was recommended a KZfaq reaction video that featured what are described as tribal villagers from India. The premise of the channel is that these people live in a quaint and remote way from the world and so their reactions to cultural works is as innocent and honest as you could ask for.
And in one particular video, they listened to Allegri’s Miserere Mei which is a 17th-century sacred polyphony composition. And frankly, I think this particular song is one of the most beautiful works of Christian art ever made.
Music written and generously provided by Paul Jernberg. Find out more about his work as a composer here: pauljernberg.com
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@MichaelCSanders
@MichaelCSanders 4 күн бұрын
Several years ago, I was on pilgrimage in Spain (Camino). One of the most memorable interactions I had with a fellow pilgrim was with a Chinese ex-buddhist who was newly evangelical Protestant. She had never heard any type of Sacred Music such as Gregorian chant or any type of polyphony. Fortunately, I brought with me an MP3 player containing various chants and polyphony. One day she asked me about what I listened to during periods of hiking and meditating. I explained that I listened to sermons, talks, and sacred music. I tried my best to explain it but realized she could only benefit by listening. The look on her face is etched in my mind when she first heard Gregorian chant. Next, the polyphony nearly blew her away. She had never before heard anything like this praising God and was simply taken aback. Her countenance seemingly transformed as if seeing an angel. She was serious, joyful, and serene as the melodies lifted her soul. It was a beautiful moment and one I hope helped this young lady begin her journey home.
@jiayoujamie7225
@jiayoujamie7225 29 күн бұрын
My Chinese protestant best friend came into a Catholic Church and was in awe of the Gregorian chant! She said it was one of the most beautiful things ever. My Muslim Arabic friend also said the same thing about Catholic cathedrals. This isn’t Eurocentricity! It’s recognizing beauty!
@savagemode.
@savagemode. 23 күн бұрын
Yep, True
@bernsbuenaobra3665
@bernsbuenaobra3665 18 күн бұрын
Come to think of it the oldest religions in world the language and manner of prayer and supplication is by singing!
@eutytoalba
@eutytoalba 9 күн бұрын
Atheists/Secularists make everything about race, wealth, geography, etc-concerns of the world-but history tells a completely different and much more compete story when you realize religion was the MAIN motivation and the MAIN accomplishment. And when Secularists boast of practically anything, they're taking attribution away from religion and reascribing it to ethnic or geographic communities instead of the spiritual ones who recognize no such barriers... "Neither Greek nor Jew, slave nor free...." It's stolen history. Like every single instance the Secularists blithely use "BCE" to sterilize the Gregorian calendar. The Gregorian monks weren't just musicians, they were mathematicians, architects, and basically everything the secular world drools over except perverts. That's why modern attacks on the Church HAVE to push the pervert narrative, even if it takes planting real ones to try to destroy it from within. The result is-just look around-ugly art, ugly architecture, and ugly music, delusionally lauding itself as existentially self-contained; because true sophistication actually CANNOT stand apart from acknowledgement of God. "Believing themselves wise, they became fools...."
@carolynkimberly4021
@carolynkimberly4021 Ай бұрын
The first time my little grandson heard it he thought it was God.
@kemmow25
@kemmow25 Ай бұрын
he got the whole point.
@30Salmao
@30Salmao Ай бұрын
He got it right, some times we don't get it.
@pattysayssew3609
@pattysayssew3609 Ай бұрын
That is so beautiful!
@BA-mf4gi
@BA-mf4gi Ай бұрын
God bless him❤❤❤❤
@bthemedia
@bthemedia Ай бұрын
❤🥹🙏
@josephanuga2543
@josephanuga2543 Ай бұрын
I'm Nigerian and I love the Gregorian Chant. Ideas don't have color or race.... they may emerge from on part of the world but are ever the common heritage of all mankind. I think the Gregorian Chant is truly beautiful ✝️
@andrewdaniels9698
@andrewdaniels9698 29 күн бұрын
❤‍🔥
@AndrewKendall71
@AndrewKendall71 29 күн бұрын
I love this
@kings-Rex
@kings-Rex 27 күн бұрын
My Nigerian brother no one could have said this better. I'm so grateful for this beautiful genre especially at Mass
@gabrielbifano4256
@gabrielbifano4256 23 күн бұрын
god bless you
@PitiKiwiToutVert
@PitiKiwiToutVert 13 күн бұрын
It's more than ideas, it's faith :)
@reinedire7872
@reinedire7872 Ай бұрын
Euro-centrism does not have an ugly head. If others are allowed to be proud of their ethnic heritage, so are we.
@henrybn14ar
@henrybn14ar Ай бұрын
Gregorian Chant isn't really European. It evolved out of the music of the Eastern Mediterranean.
@racheljames7
@racheljames7 Ай бұрын
​@@henrybn14ar Eastern Mediterranean, like Greece and Turkey... which are European.
@oliveri9407
@oliveri9407 Ай бұрын
@@racheljames7turkey is not Europe
@josmith5419
@josmith5419 Ай бұрын
@@oliveri9407part of Turkey is Europe.
@moriahgriffin1879
@moriahgriffin1879 Ай бұрын
​@@henrybn14ar you could have just said it has roots in Eastern Mediterranean culture. You mention that it evolves, where did it primarily evolve? Europe, hence the name Gregorian after a European Pope. If you make significant developments you have rights of intellectual/artistic property.
@danielpaulus-petrus2357
@danielpaulus-petrus2357 Ай бұрын
Myself and my fiancé are practicing Catholics but her parents are not religious at all and come from a non-denom Christian background. They came with us to my godson’s first communion and it happened to be the day that the music director at the church was retiring . Because it was the music director’s last day, the choir and orchestra at church went “all out”. While not Gregorian chant, it was extremely beautiful and reverent tradition western Christian music. Both my future in-laws were remarkably moved and were both saying afterwards how they wanted to start going to Catholic Mass afterwards. Really shows the transformative power of music and beauty.
@olgac.h.1278
@olgac.h.1278 Ай бұрын
Maybe they'll stop going when they realize that doesn't happen everyday.
@Musashination
@Musashination Ай бұрын
@@olgac.h.1278 Who told you it need to happen everyday? Mass is not meant to be a session of stimulation of the senses.
@kimlersue
@kimlersue Ай бұрын
I do believe this was God's purpose in music.
@donm-tv8cm
@donm-tv8cm Ай бұрын
@@olgac.h.1278 We as the Church need to strive until it DOES happen every day! This music is part of our EVANGELISM, and we want to be effective in our evangelism. (It also edifies the people of God at Mass). Sacred Music first came into my life in 1991 as part of a History of Music class in college, and I LOVED it so much that it became a part of my CD music collection. Listened to it a lot. It worked on my heart in the background of my life for 30 years, and it helped the process when I encountered Catholic apologetics arguments I couldn't overcome during some intense debates and I suddenly realized I needed to become Catholic. My experiences with that music, as well as the messages in that music (i.e., related to "eating the body and drinking the blood" of Jesus) had prepped me for this and made the decision not nearly so hard as it would have been otherwise (I HATED Catholicism most of my life!). "Music tames the savage beast"? I really think so! We should not tolerate "modern" music in the Church.
@MichaelAChristian1
@MichaelAChristian1 29 күн бұрын
​@@kimlersueRemember power of biblical music in scripture? When David played for Saul?
@Mikemanify
@Mikemanify 29 күн бұрын
Catholic music, both Polyphony and Gregorian chant, is the highest form of music possible on earth. As Catholics we need to say that without shame.
@maryl.8417
@maryl.8417 27 күн бұрын
I truly wish more Catholic Masses would utilize Gregorian chant. It is sacred beautiful and prayerful.
@erikriza7165
@erikriza7165 18 күн бұрын
one of the worst things about Mass today is the horrible music, the over use of microphones, the "songs" keyed in soprano which excludes men, and the melodies that are stupid even by musical standards, let alone Catholic liturgical standards.
@Ephyne
@Ephyne 12 күн бұрын
@@erikriza7165 I’m a woman, and I still can’t sing along with most of the songs! I have to keep changing octaves up & down! 😅🥲
@Christian-lm6qh
@Christian-lm6qh 10 күн бұрын
It's OK to ask for it....and putting your dollars behind it is even better.
@hees0009
@hees0009 6 күн бұрын
Yes, but in many places, just play the music over a speaker. Do not try and go it yourself....
@josephodoherty7864
@josephodoherty7864 6 күн бұрын
😅fthis comment and replies centering round singing along with, and, Gregorian chant makes me😁 smile . How many congregations could sing along. 🤔
@Charlotte_Martel
@Charlotte_Martel Ай бұрын
Guaranteed that many more people would convert and actually show up to Mass if Gregorian chants were a regular part of the music rather than folksy guitars and 70s hymns.
@henrybn14ar
@henrybn14ar Ай бұрын
We do Byzantine Chant and new people keep coming. It's just a trickle but over the years the numbers have built up.
@rayvanee277
@rayvanee277 26 күн бұрын
I can't stand the music, even the low mass the parishioners feel like they need to accapella I would prefer no singing to folk music, but I am really there for Jesus not the music
@rattata30
@rattata30 23 күн бұрын
I think the higher iOS know this as well and that is why they don’t want it
@Senhor_Bolacha
@Senhor_Bolacha 17 күн бұрын
Long Live Dom Lefebvre! Long Live SSPX!
@alloettegentille1571
@alloettegentille1571 7 күн бұрын
Aww, both are swell!
@QuTeBug
@QuTeBug 29 күн бұрын
Gregorian Chant isn’t just ‘music’ it’s raising our hearts and minds to God in PRAYER and WORSHIP..I listen to it everyday
@busterdee8228
@busterdee8228 10 күн бұрын
without displacing the sacred text. With chant, the text does not suffer. It is supported, held up.
@KEP1983
@KEP1983 Ай бұрын
4:21 "Listening to this music feels like it is connecting with God, as if absorbed in the devotion of God." Yup. There you have it.
@RivetHead999
@RivetHead999 27 күн бұрын
Guy on the right was feeling it.
@michelejones5538
@michelejones5538 Ай бұрын
My husband had a team of oxen as a teen. He always played classical music in the barn and the oxen were relaxed and eating. My husband’s brother thought it was funny to change the radio station to rock music. With the rock music playing the oxen became very agitated , anxious and stressed and they stopped eating.
@busterdee8228
@busterdee8228 10 күн бұрын
No more proof needed 😉
@toadabc
@toadabc 28 күн бұрын
As I told our priest, "If I wanted to see a second rate musical, I would go see a high school show. I want the Mass to be as special as is the reason we celebrate the Mass.
@shepherddog1199
@shepherddog1199 Ай бұрын
This music is absolutely beautiful. It is why the Church is considered very beautiful.
@marygr8064
@marygr8064 Ай бұрын
Father Ripperger says that the demons hate Gregorian chant. It drives them away. I listen to my CD of the chant at home while doing chores. Always puts me in a reverent space.
@MichaelAChristian1
@MichaelAChristian1 29 күн бұрын
Do you remember in scripture how David played for Saul? Get a King James Bible and believe. Read John.
@user-ze8xn9ro4t
@user-ze8xn9ro4t 28 күн бұрын
We get the Old Testament passage, Psalm, New Testament passage, and the Gospel every time we go to Church. Also, how can we have more Books in the Bible than yours but we don’t have and don’t know what Bible is?
@MichaelAChristian1
@MichaelAChristian1 28 күн бұрын
@@user-ze8xn9ro4t Who are you talking to? Yes the "Orthodox" have more books they claim. You can get the King James Bible with apocrypha if you really believe it. The story of David playing to Saul relates to topic. Read it all. One verse a week isn't satisfying your hunger. Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God!
@lasousoupe
@lasousoupe 27 күн бұрын
​@@MichaelAChristian1 KJV is a bad translation, with parts removed from it
@MichaelAChristian1
@MichaelAChristian1 27 күн бұрын
@@lasousoupe That's just false. Everyone was King James Only for years. "Yet among English Catholics the King James Version was widely accepted from the 18th century; moreover, when the Douai-Reims Bible was updated in the mid-18th century, the translator, Richard Challoner (1691-1781), a convert from Protestantism to Catholicism, largely worked from the King James Version"- encyclopedia brittanica.
@andresramirez8468
@andresramirez8468 29 күн бұрын
I began singing my rosary prayers when I have enough time to do it slowly and it’s been so profound to bonding my hearts to the words of the prayers
@joshflinchbaugh5866
@joshflinchbaugh5866 Ай бұрын
On Mother's Day at N.O. Mass I heard Ave Maria sung by legit opera singer and I almost cried b/c it was so beautiful. I'm new to Church in general but I know for a fact that Sacred Music moves me more to a prayerful mind in the Mass.
@brucealanwilson4121
@brucealanwilson4121 27 күн бұрын
Schubert or Bach-Gunod?
@ludwigfranzpl
@ludwigfranzpl 26 күн бұрын
Bach and Mozart's instrumental music is what I listened to, on the few LPs we had 50-odd years ago, to focus as I studied Eng. Lit. for my Honours degree. Gregorian chant was heard rarely in those days, if ever. Allegri I knew nothing about. (We lived in a "backwater" then! In faraway India.) But once heard loved inexpressibly. I am a devout, practising Catholic, now crippled in all limbs, praying to be taken home. Allegri's Miserere (in this recording) expresses all I say to the Lord, perfectly. Thank you, Brian for this video. 🕊
@deborahdanhauer8525
@deborahdanhauer8525 6 күн бұрын
I’m so sorry to hear about your condition. I will pray for you❤️
@ludwigfranzpl
@ludwigfranzpl 6 күн бұрын
@@deborahdanhauer8525 Thank you and God bless you.❤🙏
@deborahdanhauer8525
@deborahdanhauer8525 6 күн бұрын
@@ludwigfranzpl You’re welcome and same to you❤️
@christosanesti518
@christosanesti518 Ай бұрын
I am a Roman Catholic from India
@MrMack65
@MrMack65 27 күн бұрын
And the Church in India was founded by the Apostle Thomas! People in the west think Christianity Is new over there; it isn't.
@zamar2158
@zamar2158 6 күн бұрын
​@@MrMack65 yes, in india 300 years before ireland. People are shocked.
@pattysayssew3609
@pattysayssew3609 Ай бұрын
The beauty of Gregorian chant for me goes from calming, to beauty, to emotional connection to God, to joining into the prayer of the chant to God. Also, on a stressful or frustrating day, Gregorian chant resets me. So love Gregorian chant.
@jgmichael2222
@jgmichael2222 Ай бұрын
You are not wrong Brian. The people who do not appreciate Gregorian chants and polyphonic sacred music are all too often in a hurry to go on with their own things in life and such music to them seems to be a waste of time and should be suppressed. God, however, is today touching the hearts of many among the young generations. Pray and keep being positive; things are changing and turning hearts towards the sublime.
@williamcifuentes3555
@williamcifuentes3555 Ай бұрын
Brian, worry not! Gregorian is almost heavenly. As such it is meant to uplift the soul, ergo it is universal. Just like classical music, which is played in Korea, China, Japan, Europe and in America from Canada all the way thru Central America, and every country in South America as far as Argentina and Chile. Sacred music is a heritage of Christianity.
@bibbatybobbityboo
@bibbatybobbityboo Ай бұрын
Get ready for the "decolonization" of gregorian chant. It's already a big movement in classical music.
@GloriaJesu
@GloriaJesu Ай бұрын
@@bibbatybobbityboo God willing that ain't gonna happen
@ahwhite1398
@ahwhite1398 Ай бұрын
I don't think it's a stretch to say that, for those who argue music like this is an imposition of "colonialism," this same attitude and criticism extends Christianity in general. They just aren't as open about that bit. It's all about chipping away at the foundations, identifying perceived vulnerabilities in anything associated with their hated status quo.
@richardditty5318
@richardditty5318 29 күн бұрын
​@@bibbatybobbityboo "decolonization" is code for dechristianization. Their goal is to remove Christianity from everything.
@GloriaJesu
@GloriaJesu Ай бұрын
Allegri's Miserere is in my opinion the best piece of music ever written, and that's coming from a classical pianist who has listened to tons of classical music as well as many other works of chant.
@user-br6ve4lz6n
@user-br6ve4lz6n Ай бұрын
That video was heartwarming.
@sirreyes9435
@sirreyes9435 26 күн бұрын
I’m Protestant and I pray with chants on what it does for me is brings me into a space where I feel like I’m in the presence of God worshipping along with the saints and angels in heaven I’m more focus on God and less focus on my emotions…it’s truly powerful
@JulieTorres-qe2ls
@JulieTorres-qe2ls Ай бұрын
I had never heard this piece...I burst into tears
@mrssilencedogood4825
@mrssilencedogood4825 3 күн бұрын
We sing this every Holy Week. I'm sad you never heard this before now, but I'm sure glad you have! 🙂
@donm-tv8cm
@donm-tv8cm Ай бұрын
I love this! (And Allegri's Miserere has been with me for many years now, long before I ever considered becoming Catholic in 2021. The first time I ever heard it, I was stunned speechless, it moved me so, even to tears! Unbeknownst to me, it and a few other Gregorian-type Catholic works in my then-growing music collection were working on me even then, preparing me for what someday would be. This music is very, very powerful stuff, and I'm absolutely floored that we collectively have allowed the "modernists" to try to discard it in favor of their preferred modern music styles - so sad! This is the music of Heaven, and it moves hearts!)
@stmartin17773
@stmartin17773 Ай бұрын
Yes. We have obligation to introduce Gregorian chant to masses that we all know suffer enormously under current church hymns.
@josephodoherty7864
@josephodoherty7864 28 күн бұрын
"we've an obligation",& "we all know"😅🤣, you may be preaching to the choir ha ha but not at all. Spare us all from being obliged to what you think and, - no, - we don't all or even in large proportion "know" any such thing. Both comments are more of a clique thing. It's not an extreme either or absolute.
@johnclark546
@johnclark546 Ай бұрын
Maybe some people come to church to be entertained, hence secular music with “religious “ lyrics instead of coming to worship in the mystery of GOD.
@brianahanson6449
@brianahanson6449 Ай бұрын
I can understand that. And I can agree with that. I’ve grown up in Protestant churches (Presbyterian, Southern Baptist, Assemblies of God, and charismatic non-denominational as the most recent). I’ve even been to a Bible College with music training specifically for worship teams in a prayer room context (think 24/7 prayer with singers and musicians). So I get what it is like to be fully immersed in Christian music born outside of the Catholic Church context. From that perspective there is some sense of a difference between Christian worship music and music with a Christian worldview for those like me who have pursued to know and obey God sincerely. Now that I’ve been in the Catholic Church and undergoing RCIA I understand further a kind of music suited for reflecting upon the mysteries of God as seen in the Mass. Myself and others in my friendship circle were leaning towards that kind of music that successfully invites us to reflect upon God. What I am noticing and experiencing in the Catholic Church is more, “it’s always been here. And it is rooted in the core parts of the Catholic faith that have carried on for thousands of years now.”
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 Ай бұрын
​@@brianahanson6449 Try listening to Byzantine Chant as used in Greece and the Balkans eg Mount Athos. It is the precursor to Gregorian Chant.
@joyfullbunny
@joyfullbunny Ай бұрын
We need to preach a theology of worship that fights against the materialism and narcissistic tendencies of this world.
@chronic_daydreamer
@chronic_daydreamer 14 күн бұрын
I agree that many only engage with forms of worship for the entertainment factor but God is not a mystery otherwise we wouldn’t be able to “take in accurate knowledge” of God in the first place. Calling it a mystery only serves us to distance from Him when He wants us to draw close to Him.
@janicewilliams2922
@janicewilliams2922 Ай бұрын
The gifts of the church are universal, not merely cultural!
@bernsbuenaobra3665
@bernsbuenaobra3665 18 күн бұрын
To sing is to pray twice! And that is from a Saint!
@Fiona2254
@Fiona2254 Ай бұрын
It is definitely divine. The first time I heard it live was in a Latin mass. It felt like heaven came down to be with us as we received Him. I rescued a vintage copy of a set of Gregorian vinyl LPs recorded in a monastery. It’s amazing that I scored such a rare recording in 100% playable vinyl, pretty much new, for 10 dollars. I love playing it.
@eduardonevarez602
@eduardonevarez602 Ай бұрын
I started learning Gregorian with the intention of applying it to the mass I serve as a cantor, this after learning what the missal and SC says about sacred music and what place Gregorian Chant holds in the liturgy. It was not an easy task as there is no other community in my diocese that does this that I’m aware of and the material that is available online is not quite clear for someone that never had a prior experience with this kind of music, but I slowly started adding Gregorian chants as I learned them (at this point I already expressed to my priest that I wanted to learn it and sing it) I got to the point of singing the entire ordinary, as my end goal was to be able to sing the propers as well, but I got stopped as my parish priest told me I should actually not sing the entirety of the ordinary, after interchanging some words he asked me why I wanted to do this, I told him is what SC says must be done, then he said I was reading SC literally and not in the spirit of the council, I was speechless, I thought the phrase “spirit of the council” was a caricature or exaggeration from traditional circles but no. I can’t help but feel like wanting to follow the rules is punished by our own pastors. I ask for your prayers.
@generic_account2138
@generic_account2138 Ай бұрын
"in the spirit of the clowncil".... And what pray Dear Father is this so-called spirit? Spirit of mediocrity
@christinacosta4257
@christinacosta4257 25 күн бұрын
I am sorry to hear that, my friend. Please don't give up on bringing beauty to the mass.
@aadamy
@aadamy 19 күн бұрын
I’m a catholic convert but I still teach vocal lessons to Protestant worship leaders. The songs are mainly from Hillsong, Maverick City, Elevation Worship etc…It’s very energetic music. It takes so much effort to sing. I couldn’t imagine being sick or just tired or sad going to church and basically not being able to participate because I wouldn’t be able to get into the “energy” of the music. It’s about creating a mood and evoking emotions. I would say this isn’t relying on the Holy Spirit but a stirring of emotions.
@barbara3662
@barbara3662 Ай бұрын
On the topic of sacred music and it's impact on us, a family member of mine who is not a practicing catholic once attended a confirmation Mass that had very, very beautiful music and said that if she had grown up with music like that in the Mass she probably would have stayed catholic.
@ambbarofficial
@ambbarofficial Ай бұрын
The other day a beautiful choir performed in my church on Sunday mass. I was delighted… until they introduced percussion.
@Samuel94872
@Samuel94872 Ай бұрын
Miserere Mei psalm 51 ❤ create in me a clean heart oh god and a new and right spirit within me
@galladite4924
@galladite4924 Ай бұрын
Lex orandi, lex credendi!
@delvingeorge2807
@delvingeorge2807 28 күн бұрын
Est
@johncassani6780
@johncassani6780 27 күн бұрын
@@delvingeorge2807Not required in a short Latin sentence. Back then, they were smart enough to understand the “est” without having to write or utter it. “Lex orandi, lex credendi” is the saying; no “est,” and that’s fine, though it would be fine with it too. “Ex pluribus unum” would also be just as valid as “e pluribus unum,” but it would be far less poetic.
@delvingeorge2807
@delvingeorge2807 26 күн бұрын
@@johncassani6780 then they would not be using comma( , ) now would they?
@Vincenzo-wn1or
@Vincenzo-wn1or Ай бұрын
Yup sometimes I walk out during the last hymn because its either like a childish nursery rhyme or a silly advertising jingle, or something schmaltzy from a 50s movie.
@fatimahsharpe9113
@fatimahsharpe9113 27 күн бұрын
I used to go to TLM but after moving house there is only NO here. I feel like if I have to listen to "all things bright and beautiful" one more time......😢
@ernaniprocopio1191
@ernaniprocopio1191 Ай бұрын
Excellent work! May God bless you and your family. Amen
@LoknBtweenfingaz
@LoknBtweenfingaz 9 күн бұрын
I’m east Indonesian Christian and I love the Christian hymns and chants, Irish, Gregorian Russian orthodox all glorious beautiful worship….
@joyfullbunny
@joyfullbunny Ай бұрын
We musicans need the support of good Shepperds that will help the flock understand the theology of worship. The music is a reflection of our ego centric culture and worship attitudes. Musicians and pastors have to be one with this. I've worked for priests that have told me they want to give people a lift and feel good about things, and I've worked for priests that get it and have the mind of the church. Pray for sheppards to tend to the flock that will put effort into changing hearts towards a more Christ center worship. Too many are bogged down by demands of administration and are overworked. We need more priests
@mamiller1980
@mamiller1980 Ай бұрын
I absolutely love chant. I listen to it whenever I pray the rosary. It helps turn my mind and focus on God
@josefcvs8
@josefcvs8 25 күн бұрын
You can see how the grace acts, Gregorian Chant has the capacity to lift up the soul to God and that's what gives peace because its something so sublime and It makes us think of Heaven and drives us to conversion. Im proud of being Catholic and being part of the Only and real Church, God and Mary bless you all
@BP26P
@BP26P Ай бұрын
"The main place should be given, all things being equal, to Gregorian chant, as being proper to the Roman Liturgy" (GIRM 41, cf. SC 116). But what gets the main place at many Masses these days? Classics like Missa My Little Pony and friends.
@CMVBrielman
@CMVBrielman Ай бұрын
The objection to Gregorian chant and other similarly traditional forms of religious music as euro centric would carry more weight… if all the alternatives were not similarly western in character.
@handsomegiraffe
@handsomegiraffe Ай бұрын
There's nothing wrong with Gregorian Chant being "Euro-centric" either, I would say it is "Western". It is designed by and for for Western people primarily. It is the ancestral tradition of Western people. The Church doesn't have a one size fits all traditional music, rather we have a great diversity of timeless traditions with their respective sacred music for those peoples. Gregorian chant for the Latin rite, and Byzantine chant for the Greek Catholics etc. However, like the other traditional forms of sacred music, Gregorian Chant has features that are objectively beautiful, which is what places it above the more modern/contemporary forms of Church music. Surpassing our changing tastes, orienting us towards a transcendent beauty, and connecting us with our ancestors.
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 Ай бұрын
Gregorian Chant is a European evolution of Byzantine Chant, via a genre known as Old Roman.
@fabiozatara
@fabiozatara 19 күн бұрын
the objection to gregorian chant as "euro centric" is woke hors****t and should be ridiculed and exposed as irrational, spiteful and basically a non-problem.
@a.p.5429
@a.p.5429 5 күн бұрын
Objections based on being offended is missing the point anyway to me. It takes away from the worship of God and puts the focus on a person being a grump.
@physiocrat7143
@physiocrat7143 5 күн бұрын
@@a.p.5429 Gregorian Chant is a European form of music from the Eastern Mediterranean. European music is typically in a major or minor scale. Gregorian Chant is modal ie Eastern.
@Varleydude
@Varleydude 27 күн бұрын
I went to my TLM last Sunday in Edmonton, it’ moved me in a different kind of way, I felt a beautiful connection - it’s almost as though the mass came alive - I’ve never heard chant in real life - it brought tears to my eyes - they don’t have TLM where I live
@mistermusik
@mistermusik 26 күн бұрын
As a specialist in this field, I agree with everythig you said. I believe the position of those against authentic sacred music (ie Gregorian chant and sacred polyphony) stems from relativism and sentimentality. Words like euro-centric and colonialism, as such, don’t belong in a discussion about Catholic sacred music. Whenever someone starts speaking in those terms to me it tells me good will is not their motivation, so I form my responses carefully but completely in line with Church teaching about sacred music. Yes, different forms of sacred music can be used liturgically, but one always has to keep the rule of Pope St. Pius X in mind. The closer a composition resembles Gregorian chant, the more it is appropriate for Mass, and the less it sounds like Gregorian chant, the less it is appropriate for Mass.
@tonygibson6436
@tonygibson6436 26 күн бұрын
What I love about your presentations, Brian, is that you so beautifully unwrap them explaining the subject matter in a precise and crystal clear method. Always intellectually satisfying. Thank you.
@juliaroldan2850
@juliaroldan2850 27 күн бұрын
The Gregorian Chant compels me to prayer and worship.
@outoforbit00
@outoforbit00 Ай бұрын
I have a little treat for you Brian. In Ireland there is a style of singing that goes back 800 years. Its called Sean Nos and it treats the art of singing as a divine gift. The songs thenselves are personal stories about people who lived and in most of the songs experienced sad and tragic events. If your interested they can be found on KZfaq. The singers i recommend are Piaras O'Larcain, Seamus and Caoimbhe Flaherty. Also, i recommend for Gregorian music, Jan Garbarek and the Hilyard Ensemble - Officium. It uses the alto sax in Gregorian music!
@Larissa_aus316
@Larissa_aus316 7 күн бұрын
I love how they naturally raise their hands! ❤🤗
@jacobcaeli
@jacobcaeli Ай бұрын
We went to a St. Josephine Bakhita Mass when we first moved to the new area. They were howling, using percussion instruments, a tambourine, an electric keyboard… I actually developed a headache. The bishop allows that but not the TLM there.
@TxCwby
@TxCwby Ай бұрын
This piece of music is perhaps the most beautiful of all time. Tallis Scholars performance of this piece tops them all, but this powerful piece has been my favorite for over 40+ years. Thank you for addressing this piece, this genre of music.
@Conorthedad
@Conorthedad Ай бұрын
My kids ask for chant every night to fall asleep to.
@trad-lite
@trad-lite Ай бұрын
Thanks Brian…I’ve had My Little Pony stuck in my head for hours now 😅
@suezee6119
@suezee6119 29 күн бұрын
The best explanation I've ever heard on this very important subject. Thank you!
@Varleydude
@Varleydude 27 күн бұрын
Great podcast and content as usual sir - well done
@brandywineblue
@brandywineblue 27 күн бұрын
The same is true in nursing homes especially the dementia wing. The horrible staff insisted on playing aggressive rap music and couldn't figure out why the patients were always so agitated and violent
@kimlevesque6103
@kimlevesque6103 Ай бұрын
Another excellent teaching. Thank you Brian❤
@csongorarpad4670
@csongorarpad4670 27 күн бұрын
superb video!
@NikkiSchumacherOfficial
@NikkiSchumacherOfficial 27 күн бұрын
This was very powerful. Thank you 🙏🏼
@lupuscorvus841
@lupuscorvus841 Ай бұрын
"If you remove the lyrics of Gregorian Chant, it still sounds like prayer." Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the main theme from the original "Halo: Combat Evolved". No lyrics but I instinctively found something "sacred" about it without knowing a single thing about Gregorian chant or Catholicism in general. The music is partially what made me obsessed with the franchise as a kid in the first place.
@handsomegiraffe
@handsomegiraffe Ай бұрын
Yep. Gregorian Chant is so deeply ingrained in the minds of Western people it literally became a meme for a time. It's good to remember when speaking with others, Gregorian Chant is more popular than people think.
@sassafrassanid5718
@sassafrassanid5718 28 күн бұрын
I had the privilege of singing in the Vatican today. Ave Maria Angelus Domini sounded incredible. You can’t get that at the 11:30 Folk Mass or the 5:00 Praise and Worship Mass. I’m sorry, but nothing compares. I joke that music peaked when polyphony hit the scene… maybe it’s true after all
@philiphumphrey1548
@philiphumphrey1548 Ай бұрын
That version of the Miserere is a mixture of old and modern. Mozart transcribed the original (allegedly from memory after listening to a performance). But the arrangement most commonly used nowadays includes modifications from the 19th and 20th centuries.
@Slaweniskadela
@Slaweniskadela Ай бұрын
I agree with this very much! Thank You Brian! +
@sabinemustermann8307
@sabinemustermann8307 5 күн бұрын
You don't pray while you are listening to the chant. You experience the presence of God. The singers are those who pray.
@clynton8538
@clynton8538 28 күн бұрын
Thank you for enlightening us with this beautiful heavenly music…
@Runsfrombears
@Runsfrombears 28 күн бұрын
Just hearing those short clips of polyphony had me tearing up. So beautiful.
@bubbawhisk8243
@bubbawhisk8243 Ай бұрын
I wish there was a “love” button. Great piece of content.
@dj393
@dj393 8 күн бұрын
As an Eastern Orthodox, I like my Byzantine church music too. Just voices, no instruments. In my parish it is also all in English which helps me.
@GardenMinistry.
@GardenMinistry. 28 күн бұрын
I walked down the aisle on my wedding day to "Ave Maria" which is not necessarily Gregorian chant, but it's certainly one of the most beautiful songs in all of human history. Who can listen to it and not get goosebumps? I liken these songs to what it will sound like in heaven. "Christian" contemporary music does not have the same effect.
@jamestrotter3162
@jamestrotter3162 24 күн бұрын
I believe it was St. Augustine who said, " He who sings prays twice." I would say that definitely applies to Gregorian Chant.
@catholicguy1073
@catholicguy1073 Ай бұрын
Great video btw. I love your work. You recommended a great YT channel last year that does sacred music called Harpa Dei. You should re plug them when you get a minute! I still listen to them.
@thirion1850
@thirion1850 Ай бұрын
Sometimes beauty is not in the eye of the beholder, sometimes beauty simply is. It doesn't need to be excused for, and anyone arguing against it self-evidently wants that beauty stripped in favor of an agenda - they are ugly to the core. In the time many of these chants were written, discovering the scientific laws of the world and creating art were done in the pursuit of understanding God's creation. Meaning beauty is natural, inherent, and a product of the divine, not solely of a human interpretation.
@wisegalny7604
@wisegalny7604 4 күн бұрын
Thank you 🕊
@RivetHead999
@RivetHead999 27 күн бұрын
There are some really good videos with them reacting to all sorts of music.
@philc6068
@philc6068 Ай бұрын
Gregorian chant not being the norm, the standard, is a huge black mark on the modern catholic church.
@Jerome616
@Jerome616 Ай бұрын
We do not worship music, we worship Christ. Yes it is beautiful, but it is also egotistical since mans ego has created it.. To over value such things can lead us astray. Enjoy it, but do not let it's absence lead you away from what is right.
@dominicewing8940
@dominicewing8940 Ай бұрын
​@@Jerome616 Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi
@philiphumphrey1548
@philiphumphrey1548 Ай бұрын
A lot of parishes simply don't have the singers with the skills to do it. Some don't even have an organist nowadays.
@fddooley1
@fddooley1 Ай бұрын
​@@Jerome616 I absolutely love Gregorian chant & a modern composition Benedictus calms the spirit in preparation for prayer.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Ай бұрын
There is definitely music that lifts the soul to God. Some of my favourites are: O come, O come Emanuel (Gregorian Chant) Battle Hymn of the Republic (Mine eyes have seen the glory of The Lord) Amazing Grace (Ex slavers poem set to music) I watched the sunrise (often played at Catholic funerals, apparently gets the funeral directors every time) I, The Lord of Sea and Sky (Is it I Lord) Sing of The Lords goodness. In all cases true art touches the soul.
@philiphumphrey1548
@philiphumphrey1548 Ай бұрын
They are all lovely hymns. "Sing of the Lord's Goodness" is possibly the only hymn written in 5/4 time.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop Ай бұрын
@@philiphumphrey1548 Many thanks.
@jessc5340
@jessc5340 23 күн бұрын
Thank you. 🙏🏽
@a.p.5429
@a.p.5429 5 күн бұрын
I love this type of music. I listen to a group that sometimes puts the words in English, my language. I love reading the beautiful words as they sing.
@racheljames7
@racheljames7 Ай бұрын
I love those villager dudes. They're so cute. Look at the effect the Heavenly music had on them. Its the most beautiful sound humans could make.
@zimrasawyer1881
@zimrasawyer1881 Күн бұрын
Music, for the most part, is sacred. It touches our souls.
@jeffreysharp8526
@jeffreysharp8526 Ай бұрын
Thank you, Mr. Holdsworth for the video on Gregorian chant. I've loved it since it was first heard in the early '70's. When asking our music teacher about it, she thanked me for giving her the lesson. So many people want to pooh-pooh it as "ancient" or, too difficult to sing; and get irritated when it's pointed out that modern hip music that's played church is far more difficult. Thanks again for your efforts.
@rx88088
@rx88088 28 күн бұрын
Well said Brian.
@RivetHead999
@RivetHead999 27 күн бұрын
Love the short Gabber clip! I miss those days.
@SirenaWomanWarrior
@SirenaWomanWarrior 27 күн бұрын
He said “it’s as if I’m absorbed to the devotion of God” amazing
@shimmyhinnah
@shimmyhinnah 26 күн бұрын
May they all come into the fullness of Truth! I love them!
@Frst2nxt
@Frst2nxt Ай бұрын
Gregorian and Carpathian Chant easily metamorphosizes the line length to fit any number of sentence syllables.
@elingeniero2000
@elingeniero2000 Ай бұрын
They also did one reacting to Dies Irae
@RivetHead999
@RivetHead999 27 күн бұрын
“Redde mihi laetitiam salutaris tui: et spiritu principali confirma me” something about that part just hits hard, the way that verse starts with such power, and the overlapping “confirma me” my favorite part. Shame that he didn’t let that part play.
@mysongbite
@mysongbite 7 күн бұрын
I'm not Catholic but I love Gregorian Chant. I learned how to read their music when I was in the College of music. However, I also enjoy Praise and Worship songs. If only I can put them together, that would be a blast❤ There is a time for everything.
@alisonthomson439
@alisonthomson439 Ай бұрын
Agreed . Amen 🙏🏽🌹
@chab1rd155
@chab1rd155 6 күн бұрын
I AGREE 💯 percent with you! And this IS beautiful and VERY much feels and sounds like prayer and a deep connection with God. Period. Amen✝️🙏🕯️💕
@tlewis84able
@tlewis84able 28 күн бұрын
The nearest church to me plays and sings pop music throughout Mass. I drive an extra 8 miles to go where they have a beautiful organ and amazing choir. It is SO important to me.
@ggardner1138
@ggardner1138 16 күн бұрын
My wife and I had the blessing of being in a church choir that performed this piece, "Miserere mei, Deus" by Allegri. It's one of those pieces that are so moving I have to fight back my emotions, it's kind of hard to sing with tears welling up. We've since moved to a much smaller parish and sadly will probably never have the pleasure or performing this piece again.
@albertito77
@albertito77 Ай бұрын
I have my musical preferences, like everybody, and I actually enjoy rock and folk. But. At mass it's gotta be chant and old time hymns. I will blast Hillsong in my car once in a while, and I rarely listen to church music outside of church itself. But chant and old time hymns are the only befitting music for liturgical worship.
@racheljames7
@racheljames7 Ай бұрын
Spot on. I like rock and folk too. But it doesn't blow me away like the sacred hymns and chant do. I couldn't drive or do chores with that on. I'd have to stop what I was doing and listen.
@LtGrandpoobah
@LtGrandpoobah 4 күн бұрын
I'm just listening to this in the background, the song starts, and within 3 or 4 seconds, I have goosebumps. What are you doing to my mind?
@exerciserelax8719
@exerciserelax8719 Ай бұрын
I love to hear (and sing!) beautiful music in church. I chuckled at your reference to that modern Mass setting that unfortunately resembles "My Little Pony" ("Glory to God, Glory to God, Glory to God in the hiiiiighest"). 😄 I wish more people would join in singing in Church (where appropriate). I know it's difficult for those who don't read music or don't have experience singing.
@ozymandias5257
@ozymandias5257 28 күн бұрын
Those Villagers React videos are fun (like first plane ride); but this is perfect for the purpose you described.
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