Dialing In Espresso on the Decent Espresso DE1 (Approach, Tips, + Ramblings)

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This video is for new owners of the DE1 or anyone interested in the capabilities of the DE1! In addition to the typical variables we associate with dialing espresso, the DE1 allows us to have a visual display of them plotted out on a graph. This makes dialing in espresso methodical and extremely easy to diagnose the exact variable to change (grind finer, adjust temp, etc.). In this video, I showcase dialing in a brand new bag of beans and my overall process from start to finish.
This video is sort of a deep dive into what the DE1 is capable of doing. I might make more videos related to the advanced capabilities but there are many who are more knowledgeable than me. I just try things and figure out if they taste good. The specific tasting notes and subtleties come next for me!
Ping me on the Diaspora if you need help.
Here is my approach to dialing in espresso on the Decent DE1
1. Pick a profile you'd like to start off with and briefly understand what it's doing by looking at the parameters/graphs/steps
2. Pull a shot and look at the pressure to determine which direction to adjust the grind (too coarse = no pressure, too fine = too much pressure)
3. Continue to adjust grind until you mimic the parameters/graph in the profile
4. Adjust temperature to influence overall extraction/taste
5. Once you taste, see if you need to adjust dose or extraction ratio (ex: light roasts at 1:3)
6. Fine-tune individual steps/parameters to your desire
Additional Notes:
Good data doesn't always mean good taste! Trust your taste buds. Access to the data allows you to understand what to do to make things taste the way you want them to. The DE1 is the only machine that lets you have granular control over brewing variables in a programmable and repeatable form.
Featured Beans:
Paper Moon Coffee Nicaragua
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Equipment in the video:
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Machine: Decent Espresso DE1 1.3 Pro
Grinder: Niche Zero
Scales: Acaia Lunar / Timemore Black Mirror amzn.to/3jqTzEq
Tamper: Decent V3 Tamper + Decent Tamping Cradle
Pitcher: WPM Pitcher 15oz Brushed Steel
Knockbox: Generic Knockbox amzn.to/2YX3W9z
Cup: NotNeutral Vero amzn.to/3q1PLvT
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Timestamps:
Intro 0:00-1:15
Methodology/Conditional Programming 1:15-5:05
How to Read the Data/Too Coarse Grind Example 5:05-6:35
Too Fine Grind Example 6:35-8:35
Dialing In/Diagnostics 8:35-12:20
Dialed In Pressure/Flow 12:20-14:34
Adjusting Temperature and Adding Info To Your Shots 14:34-19:41
Wrap Up 19:42-20:27
Final Profile Examples/Ramblings 20:27-24:20

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@johnwilliamson9453 3 жыл бұрын

Good job Brian, well covered.

@brianvaughn5070 2 жыл бұрын

This video was so helpful. Can’t wait to dial in my DE1 like this!

@ruano1642 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Brian! As a new DE1 Owner you are helping me a lot! Made today nice channelfree shots that tasted great, I've subscribed :D

@dennisyue3021 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Brian. Super helpful video for DE1 noob. You deserve more subscribers!

@beerad 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this! It all makes sense now. Been using the machine for two weeks but a bit lost sometimes on how to dial in based on the data.

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! If you have any specifics or need help hit me up in the diaspora or join the espresso discord!

@thezounet Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Brain, for this super interesting video, your explanations are very clear and accurate and confirm my wish to buy the DE1! 😀

@charlesgriffin3262 3 жыл бұрын

Thank YOU ! really appreciate your detailed illustration of this process . Please do more in-depth searches! You are adding something for my espresso experience.

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Charles, thank you for the comment! I have a few more DE1 videos I'm working on. My next in-depth style video is going to be about manual shots with the DE1 (Slayer + lever shots). Feel free to make any suggestions as well! Thanks, Brian

@ElecBrane 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot, great explanation!

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I am one day gonna get to the GC vs. DE1 video...

@jeremydelacuadra7615 3 жыл бұрын

You sir have a new sub! Awesome video!

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind comment Jeremy!

@ItumelengS 3 жыл бұрын

More more more more more more more more more more of this... this was refreshing. But I think you need to take the time to dial out the different beans, roast styles

@mauriciomucino1015 Жыл бұрын

My dream coffe machine!

@taylorwhite3636 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video. I would love to see you do the same for a Blooming style shot. Please talk more about how you read/interpret/adjust, looking at the curve! Great video

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Taylor, I've gotten a few requests from people on the Diaspora so I think I'll actually be making a video about Blooming. I have a fairly straight forward approach to it that you'll see!

@taylorwhite3636 3 жыл бұрын

@@BrianQuan awesome!! I know a huge factor with blooming shots is, where does this flow rate put your peak pressure? Where does your pressure end up by the end of the shot? I don't know many more variables to pay attention to though. Definitely very interested in that one. I love blooming coffee shots.

@haveibutifo 3 ай бұрын

thank you!

@carlburghardt3251 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video, I hope to own a Decent machine one day. I'm betting this is the best machine for light roasts. Thanx

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah you get complete control over every variable you need for dialing in light roasts. My particular method in this video works better for medium-light I think. I didn't really play much with flow rates as much but this approach will get you an acceptable shot!

@I.96AL 3 жыл бұрын

Your amazing bro

@user-lb1qg7jh3o 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Brian~ Thanks a lot for your videos, very helpful to me. I am curious about can you kind of "migrate" the lessons learned on the Decent to other pressure profiling machines like La Marzacco Strada or Rocket R9 (those have programmable profiling)? Or those just not that accurate or tunable enough?

@POLARISMAN81 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Brian I just got a new shipment of Helios. Iv been drinking it for months and the Nicaragua espresso I had it down on how to pull a tastey shot and now I just can figure it out no matter what I do. I have a ECM classika 2 with FC and a eureka silenzio. Do you have any tips

@haristhec 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Brian! How much do you think one would lose if using a "dumb" scale like the timemore

@x3mdreamer 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Brian, thank you for your contributions to the DE1 Community, your videos have been very helpful. I have recently purchased a DE1 and have had it for a month now and still feel as though I am trying to dial in. All of my espressos seem to be a bit on the sour side. I thought I'd keep it simple and use the default profile. When you shots are a bit sour ... how do you recommend adjusting? I started off coarse and have been going finer and finer but it's still a bit sour. When I look at the data it seems like I've been mimicking the profile pretty closely as you recommended so it's hard to know if I should keep going finer or go coarser, or raise the temperature or move on to other profiles.

@ilyas110298 Жыл бұрын

Extract more

@catalinjeanmarc 3 жыл бұрын

Really nice video. Many thanks. But it is a way to have a French translation ?

@jaumev 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. In the last step, what is actually stopping the shot? Is it manual, time-based or weight-based?

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

That is weight based!

@mattgraves3709 2 жыл бұрын

As an Android engineer and coffee Aficionado I am drooling over this damn machine... Got to save up a couple of shmeckles first.

@imprezivr61 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video. Can you please tell clarify a few things for me? 1. When you get a new bag of coffee, what's the process? Do you start at the same grind as you left off with on the last bag and make small adjustments? 2. Let's say you drink an espresso every morning out of the same bag. Once it is dialed how much does it drift each day? Do you have to make/waste multiple shots every morning? 3. Any tips on how you store your beans? I have a de1+ on queue and can't wait to get it! Thanks again for the great content.

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

Hey there, 1. I find most beans that I use are med/light roast type so I don't have to do crazy grind changes when swapping beans. Generally speaking if you're drinking the same type of roast the grind sizes won't have to drastically change (there are some edge cases with huge/small beans lol). You'll be able to tell if you need to make small changes based off of the data/taste but small grind changes (if you're in the ballpark anyway) won't drastically make things worse/better. What grinder are you going to be using? 2. So that kinda depends on what grinder you use. On the Niche Zero I rarely if ever have to change grind settings within the day if I am using the same profile. Of course if I swap profiles I have to change my grind. Another thing to add is that some profiles such as the Londinium V3 profile I showed include all of that conditional programming to compensate for bad prep/inconsistent grind. Once dialed in if you're using a good profile/don't mess up your puck prep you'll have consistent data/shots. I have a consistent rotation of beans I cycle through all the time so I have a good feel as to what they should taste like. I rarely waste any shots anymore. Once you use the machine enough you'll get a feel for how the data/profiles impact taste. 3. I personally use the airscape and one of the generic storage containers. If you consume at a fast enough rate it won't really matter. I posted an equipment guide so make sure you get all of the supporting accessories! It would be a shame if your DE1 came and you couldn't prep properly. The DE1 will be a super fun machine! I haven't been very active on the diaspora but I'm more active on the espresso discord. If you have any more questions hop in and we/others can chat. Thanks for watching!

@imprezivr61 3 жыл бұрын

@@BrianQuan thanks a bunch. I have a monolith flat max that shipped yesterday. I mostly have drank pour overs for the last 7-8 years. I mostly drink light/medium roasts as well. Will go check out accessories guide now.

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

Oh perfect! Monolith Max will be great!!! I'm waiting on the OZIK before I go to the endgame. I briefly heard about some complaints when using it with the DE1 on the Kafatek forums but I haven't checked. Make sure you get all of the tools to ensure there isn't static/retention especially with the monoliths. Dialing in is going to be extremely easy on the monolith due to its consistency. It'll be very easy to diagnose what's going on in your shot. You'll be able to see visually and in the data if your prep is bad but I think the grinding quality may compensate for that.

@imprezivr61 3 жыл бұрын

@@BrianQuan static is kind of an issue here regardless as it's so dry(AZ). I currently have an ek43s with ssp coffee burrs and a little rdt usually takes care of it for brewed coffee. I'm not sure how espresso will be. I believe that the monolith comes with a wdt tool and I purchased the v3 decent tamper so hopefully I have my bases covered. I read so much conflicting info on "distribution tools" like the Ocd so I'm not sure if it's worth buying one of those. I'm super overwhelmed by figuring out puck prep. Like you watch videos on it and it seems so easy visually, but then reading about it, and people's struggles, it seems so hard to get correct. Those ozik look amazing. Wouldn't mind getting one in the future myself if they work well 😁

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

@@imprezivr61 luckily you'll be able to figure out puck prep fairly easily with the DE1. RDT + WDT (wdt will do your distribution) then tamp will be very sufficient. The "distributors" are actually levelers as they only flatten the top of a puck. There's someone on the diaspora/discord who posted a bunch of videos with a glass portafilter showing you what's going on inside. Once you get your machine I'd be happy to keep chatting in the diaspora or discord if you need help with anything! I'm thinking about putting together a video geared specifically to new DE1 users (probably just a more concise version of this vid) but I'll have to find time for it.

@jprudolphcoffee8999 3 жыл бұрын

Great work Brian. Have you tried stirring your shot rather than swirling?

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

Hey John, yeah I have! I didn't do it in this video for time sake haha. Thanks for watching!

@slipperydippery 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Brian, great video! One question: When you say you're adjusting "a little bit finer" or "a little bit coarser" on the Niche, what kind of steps are you making? Half a step?

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

Around half or even quarter of a step for small adjustments to the pressure curve. It's gonna be down to what profile you're running though!

@slipperydippery 3 жыл бұрын

@@BrianQuan thanks!

@TaiNhan1997 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Brian, Just blew my mind that the DE1 can connect to the Acaia Scale. May I ask how did you do that? Is there any software updates? If so, how can I update the software?

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah you can connect the DE1 to the Lunar! Here's a video I put up about that: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Ztx6i6l6m8fZoo0.html You can check the Diaspora more for details too. Let me know if you have any questions.

@felipejacknogueira 3 жыл бұрын

When you get a new bag of coffee, how do you select the first profile you're going to try and you do next? I mean, what kind of information you use to make a guess and try some profiles but not others?

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

I played with a lot of the profiles and found I liked lever style shots for most of my drinks. I start with that profile and see what tastes best. Some beans taste different/better with various profiles but I just try em all and see what I prefer!

@bruinv3738 2 жыл бұрын

New subscriber here. Enjoying your videos, thank you. Would be interested to learn your upgrade path from GCP to this. Also wondering if there are any similar alternatives to this machine.

@BrianQuan 2 жыл бұрын

The Breville Dual Boiler and Lelit Bianca can give you the same shot performance but without the repeatability!

@decentespresso2769 3 жыл бұрын

Haven't see you on the Diaspora owner's forum. Did we miss out on giving you an invite?

@decentespresso2769 3 жыл бұрын

@@BrianQuan please do Brian! decentespresso.com/contact

@decentespresso2769 3 жыл бұрын

We're actually chatting at the moment about how to improve the app to do your 'dialing in' approach, by auto-loading a "god shot" reference. That way you'll see your current shot lining up to the reference shot. Much easier.

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

Sent an email. I definitely think a preview of what the shot should look like rather than the visual of the steps would make it a lot easier for a beginner to understand how to dial in. That way it's: 1. Pick Profile (see what it's supposed to be doing visually in the graphs 2. Adjust grind size until they match that graph (God shot) 3. Adjust temp to taste. Would be happy to chat more in the diaspora! I've been meaning to be more active in the DE1 community too.

@decentespresso2769 3 жыл бұрын

@@BrianQuan Yep, that's the intent of the God Shot, but since we don't provide one with the default profiles, it doesn't help (yet) in the way.

@Sammiecheeks16 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I can’t get the new lunar to work for the life of me it keeps saying not connected rawr

@BrianQuan 2 жыл бұрын

There's a thread in basecamp about that! Lunar 2021 took some updating to get to work.

@jdupuis4829 3 жыл бұрын

using hotter temperature will also affect your extraction time and grind requirement... Probably should have played with the temperature from the start.

@kondko 3 жыл бұрын

in search for the god shot....

@kondko 3 жыл бұрын

no distribution tool?

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

I actually don't really have to tamp because the Decent Tamper is a self leveling tamper! Distributing makes tamping a lot easier though.

@kondko 3 жыл бұрын

@@BrianQuan do you ever use the default 9 bar e61 preset? Or do you always find yourself using other profiles?

@kondko 3 жыл бұрын

I have an e61 machine with the ability to control the flow but nowhere as precise as the decent espresso machine. Would love a taste comparison with the same coffee and different profiles. Thanks!

@BrianQuan 3 жыл бұрын

I mainly switch between lever and slayer type profiles. Honestly haven't had a shot that is held at a constant 9bar in a very long time. On your flow profile E61 you can look into long preinfusion + slow ramp up + ramp down. There are a lot of discussions on E61 flow profile. If you hope into the espresso discord we can help you more!