Love the collab, nice work Brick Immortar and Oceanliner Designs.
@Andy-rp3ee2 ай бұрын
Both these channels are some of the best content on KZfaq. I had little idea I would be so fascinated with maritime topics - from history/exploration, to boat building like Leo and crew on the Tally Ho. Great stuff! In the case of BrickImmortar the reverence in which you treat the victims of these tragedies is good to see. Thank you for keeping them in our minds.
@teddyboragina64372 ай бұрын
I love it when youtubers I like, like youtubers I like.
@ShadowU692 ай бұрын
I remember during Hurricane Sandy a Father and Daughter died together when Sandy slammed Tottenville here on Staten Island and Sandy also slammed the whole beach side from Tottenville all the way up to the Saint George Ferry Terminal and Staten Island lost lives from Tottenville up to Midland Beach and i was the worst Hurricane ever tha slammed the Staten Island Community and it’s ur seeing this @BrickImmortar i want u to know tha Staten Island has been more stronger and more prepared for the next Hurricane tha will hit Staten Island because it’s a very wonderful place to visit and it’s more safe than New York City itself 😊😊😊😊
@Biggus_Mickus2 ай бұрын
There's ten feet of water below decks, all 3 masts have fallen off, we're on fire, being strafed by Stukas, the Red October is torpedoing us and a Kraken is eating the stern. The ship is FINE!
@bloodraven80202 ай бұрын
Situation normal, tell the caosties to sodd off.
@somedumbozzie15392 ай бұрын
and delicious.
@arypramana61542 ай бұрын
"sir a black hole is forming on the deck" "dang, Wednesday already?"
@faizalf1192 ай бұрын
This sounds so British lol
@mikefln2 ай бұрын
I was expecting a Blues Brothers “Let’s roll” at the end.
@abrandenburg102 ай бұрын
"A ship is safer at sea than in port" Narrator: "they were in fact, not safer at Sea"
@MotJ9492 ай бұрын
IIRC, Pride of Baltimore II was, in fact, in port and was completely unscathed. As someone once said of Pride II, they operate with the caution of a vessel with a Roman numeral in its name. *all* the other tall ships on the eastern seaboard were in port and *none* were lost in Sandy.
@sassyfrass42952 ай бұрын
my pop was us navy in the pacific - they always left port and rode out typhoons at sea. he said the worse thing was all the vomit swiling around on the the floors with each wave! but Bounty was not built like modern naval vessels. sad story
@data_abort2 ай бұрын
Even if the ship were safer... That's to say nothing of its crew.
@Dankleberrrrg2 ай бұрын
If that were true, ports would be unusable from all the sunk ships in them
@bethl76022 ай бұрын
Yeah, every other ship on the Atlantic coast was as far upstream as they could get and tied to every mooring they could find. IIRC, the Facebook posts were coming from a crew member’s father on dry land.
@FlightMate2 ай бұрын
Sail a rotten, leaky wooden ship, with an inexperienced crew and out of service comms, into a hurricane. Take in water, lose power, sleep in soaked beds. Crew gets exhausted and hurt. Pumps fail. Water gets waist high in engine room. Send emails downlaying the situation. Refuse to abandon ship. That captain was in such denial that he completely ignored the danger.
@ryano.51492 ай бұрын
Clearly another graduate from the Schettino school of seamanship...
@callmeonkeshiasphone2 ай бұрын
he is still telling ST.Peter the ship was fine
@radiosnail2 ай бұрын
@@ryano.5149 To be fair, the Master of the "HMS" Bounty was a fool, but not a coward.
@laxingpiper232 ай бұрын
It's like one of those Gordon Ramsey episodes where the owner is in total denial of the absolute state of the place.
@weaviejeebies2 ай бұрын
Shades of El Faro, for sure. First, he got so fixated on the potential damage or loss of his precious hull that he proclaimed better at sea than in harbor and essentially hard sells the idea to others. I don't care if the craft is ostensibly safer, people are 100% safer on shore during a hurricane. He's got crew telling him to launch lifeboats, crew on their own initiative trying to put survival gear together, and he doesn't listen to his people. Again, so much prioritization of hanging on to the ship at all costs, and his position as master that he decided one mind is better than 3, 5...17. There were so many opportunities to turn around before things were critical that he might have changed the entire outcome, including the two lives lost.
@MissJediMouse2 ай бұрын
24:32 Sailors 200 years ago lived in fear of the real possibility of a hurricane appearing over the horizon with zero warning. I can only imagine at how gobsmacked they’d be to see the decisions made by someone with access to a fucking live satellite feed!
@zombiedoggie27322 ай бұрын
"Red skies in morning, Sailor's warning" if I got the saying right.
@sd80mac2 ай бұрын
@@zombiedoggie2732 Red sky at night, sailor's delight. Red sky at morning, sailors take warning.
@sirridesalot66522 ай бұрын
@@zombiedoggie2732 "Red sky at night = sailors' delight. Red sky in morning = sailors take warning".
@TDR19902 ай бұрын
@@zombiedoggie2732 the captain of the El Faro said the same thing...and went down.
@JenkemSuperfan2 ай бұрын
@@TDR1990 because he ignored the warning
@daedalus_20v2 ай бұрын
39:55 If "the boat is doing great," but you "can't de-water" when you're _actively taking on water inside of a hurricane..._ the ship is not doing great. It is the opposite of doing great.
@stanettiels73672 ай бұрын
“I’m marooned on a desert island with only a life raft for shelter. Ship is doing great...”
@UnreasonableSteve2 ай бұрын
maybe he meant a different boat??
@tgfabthunderbird128 күн бұрын
An unfit and incompetent captain. The Chief Mate should have relieved him after that first refusal.
@seashepherds495919 күн бұрын
Sarcasm- heard of it?
@corvinredacted2 ай бұрын
"We're going to stay here until it's not safe to be here," is a wild safety plan.
@milescorporosus40582 ай бұрын
"How do we know when it's no longer safe to be here?" "I dunno, vibes."
@don_52832 ай бұрын
Talk about irony. The first Bounty's crew should never have mutinied, and would almost certainly have been ultimately better off if they had stayed with the vessel and completed their voyage. The second Bounty's crew should definitely have walked away from the proposed voyage when given the opportunity before departure, and would have been ultimately better off for doing so, and indeed saved the skipper's own life.
@Yakubmeta-son3312 ай бұрын
well said, such irony
@Roddy5562 ай бұрын
Accurate summary
@youknow-vy1pe2 ай бұрын
Nah. Read about the conditions that lead to the mutiny. The crew would have died, they were dieing. They crew that would have "completed" the voyage wouldn't have been the same as the starters. The captain starved the crew, they were dieing of starvation. The mutiny 'failed' ultimately because states sides with their awful captains.
@Ugly_German_TruthsАй бұрын
the Mutineers did not give up the Ship until they arrived at Pitcairn where it was sunk to prevent anybody from connecting them to the Bounty due to the ship still being around... They may have ended up exiled on a pretty bare southern pacific island, but i do not remember them really regretting it from the commonly repeated reports...
@ZGryphon2 ай бұрын
Well, all things considered, I think Captain Third Rank Yevgeni Bonovia, executive officer of the Soviet submarine _V.K. Konovalov,_ said it best: "You arrogant ass, you've killed us."
@MacMilly7072 ай бұрын
Well said
@bimmerbomber20022 ай бұрын
I'm reading through Hunt for Red October right now, actually lol
@aleksanderkorecki78872 ай бұрын
I remember this quote very well. But what surprised me more was the actor who played Bonovia, it was Polish actor Krzysztof Janczar (as Christopher Janczar) who I've seen in many movies before that, but in Polish. It was nice to see a familiar face in the cast.
@mogyesz92 ай бұрын
I think the bigger factor was he captain was convinced, not without reason that the ship would be left behind if they ask for assistance. He was desperately trying to save the ship, calling help in his mind was not an option.
@JenkemSuperfan2 ай бұрын
@@mogyesz9the ship is not as valuable as the human beings on it
@bo73412 ай бұрын
This situation was so avoidable at so many points. The loss of the Bounty might be the most avoidable tragedy that's been covered on this channel, and that's saying something.
@BType13X22 ай бұрын
Its this or El Faro
@koiyujo15432 ай бұрын
yea the captian was a f***ing idi*t
@SnakebitSTI2 ай бұрын
They set out with gaps in the hull filled with compound not rated for immersion in water, rotten wood "fixed" with paint, 0 of 2 backup pumps operable, under-crewed, and almost no experience among the crew... The most flattering comparison I can come up with is that it was more seaworthy than a duck boat. And apparently the captain thought it'd be a good idea to skim the eye of a hurricane.
@markreeves93502 ай бұрын
El Faro
@dosmastrify2 ай бұрын
Let's talk about ducks
@crow95532 ай бұрын
The Captain's irresponsibility, carelessness, and incompetence were off the charts!
@user-mg6wn4hs5t2 ай бұрын
I'm not even finished watching whole video yet but have already determined the captain is as worthless as a tick on a dog. smdh People like that should not be put into such positions of authority. For shame!
@arueshalaetablebuildingsociety2 ай бұрын
Honestly, if it weren't for the weird, WEIRD legal restrictions surrounding it, I'd almost say that concluding the Captain committed "Negligence" is a huge understatement. This series of informed decisions made by the Captain, deliberate misrepresentation of the ship's condition, and the inexplicable decision to sail directly into a Hurricane seem decent grounds for Barratry.
@Cpt_Wolf2 ай бұрын
Captain's big ego played a big role in here. Big ego's and big ships usually don't go well hand in hand.
@guachingman2 ай бұрын
@@Cpt_Wolf they dont go well but sure as hell they do often together. This captain seemed to be in a search for glory in his wooden vessel and his fascination with the eye of he storm
@evanhughes30272 ай бұрын
Somewhere, somehow, there's a chart for this.
@RagingMoon19872 ай бұрын
Bounty and El Faro remind me so much of each other. Aging ship, violent storm, irresponsible captain. Both ships had all three.
@Sableagle2 ай бұрын
The "It'll be raahht" attitude that leads to collapsing racking, collapsing trailed decks, counterbalance forklift trucks rolling over dock-workers' feet, tonnes of goods falling 10 m off racks, mobile racking 12.5 m tall snapping off 2 m above the floor, reach trucks falling into holes in a floor that was frozen before the concrete had cured, rain coming through the roof onto battery chargers, thigh-thick columns of ice forming overnight where roofs leak, safety bollards getting smashed off by forklift drivers cutting corners, the bent bolts from the old ones being cut off with angle-grinders sending sprays of glowing sparks across batteries being charged and thus giving off hydrogen gas, ...
@JiffyMcpop-ps3he4 күн бұрын
Pretty sure both boats had crews from Maine. Don’t know about the captains.
@miapdx5034 күн бұрын
Yes, it doesn't take too many mistakes to doom a vessel. Sailing into a hurricane isn't very smart. The Captain of El Faro kept saying that he'd experienced the gulf of Alaska...which doesn't compare to a hurricane. I felt so bad for the crew. Imagine having to obey someone that you know doesn't know what he's doing. The messages sent by a young lady were heartbreaking. Saying goodbye to her family, knowing the vessel was doomed. 😓🌹⚓
@ianmacfarlane12412 ай бұрын
Can't believe the Capt made a succession of too late decisions. Also can't believe that he had time to throw shade at the on shore Association member for getting the wrong fuel filters.
@michaelberens28142 ай бұрын
if it hadn't been for those fuel filters, I'm sure everything would have worked out /s
@SnakebitSTI2 ай бұрын
Captain low-key taking the time to admit that he hadn't checked the emergency gear before setting sail to play chicken with a hurricane...
@mwalton95262 ай бұрын
If he wanted to make sure they were the right ones, he should of checked them before setting sail.
@Demiglitch2 ай бұрын
As the Captain he or someone nominated by him needed to check in the first place. He is where the buck stops.
@nate28382 ай бұрын
@@SnakebitSTI Lol, i've hear of playing chicken with a train, never a hurricane. Guess thats one thing slightly less certain than chicken with a train.
@Balrog-tf3bg2 ай бұрын
Why would ANYONE deliberately sail a 60 year old replica wooden ship into a hurricane?
@hanzzel60862 ай бұрын
That replica lasted 10x longer than the original Bounty (built 1784, burned 1790), and might still be around if it's crew had "mutineed" 48-16 hours before she sank!
@bjbrown2 ай бұрын
There are men with bravado and ships with failings. She shouldn't have been out in that storm. I am looking in my rear view mirror. Having sailed the coast and knowing how storms will change with a shake of your hat this ship should have stayed in port. It matters not, she and the crew are long lost. This is a sad ending for the crew. The ship? Who cares.
@unitedfront97172 ай бұрын
Because you think you are god
@windwatcher112 ай бұрын
His mortal defect was hubris.
@vernicethompson48252 ай бұрын
It sounds like a case of "get-there-itis" (thanks, Juan Browne of the blancolirio channel!): the overwhelming desire to reach one's destination at any cost. Much like flying a helicopter into a fog bank, as in the crash that killed Kobe Bryant.
@usaturnuranus2 ай бұрын
Massive respect to USCG rescue teams, especially the swimmers. Best of the best.
@BadWebDiver2 ай бұрын
Too true!
@jonesy27929 күн бұрын
I am consistently overwhelmed by the accounts of these heroic individuals that throw themselves into the most dangerous situations to save others. I often think that I couldn’t possibly give them any more respect, but they continue to surprise me. Badasses one and all.
@miapdx5034 күн бұрын
Our Coast Guard is some of the best and bravest in the world! What they do is amazing. When you're in trouble on the water, I imagine nothing could be sweeter than seeing them come to the rescue! Badass indeed! 🌹⚓
@mwal2232 ай бұрын
I am amazed such a cowboy of a sea captain managed to live that long, and his actions only cost the life of one other
@SnakebitSTI2 ай бұрын
One thing I've learned from reading up on all sorts of incidents ranging from maritime disasters to high alpine avalanches is that someone having a decades long successful career doesn't mean they won't one day end up the subject of an incident report which describes in the politest possible terms how they did absolutely everything wrong. Some people are just very lucky until they suddenly aren't.
@elLooto2 ай бұрын
@@SnakebitSTI In trading we call this phenomenon "being right for the wrong reasons." If it happens enough you end up believing in your reasoning. Which works until it doesnt. Analyzing what could have gone wrong with a successful trade is as important as analyzing a bad trade. Still, losing some money is a lot less of a consequence than losing a boat full of people.
@samiamgreeneggsandham75872 ай бұрын
No kidding. Thank God for the USCG.
@ridhosamudro21992 ай бұрын
Well, he had a such old horse so he can't ride that often
@alandpost2 ай бұрын
Normalized deviance, taking larger and larger risks until the luck runs out. Columbia wasn't the first foam strike on a shuttle, Challenger wasn't the first o-ring erosion, etc.
@soyevquirsefron9902 ай бұрын
39:49 “the filters you got were the wrong filters” the captain takes the time to throw shade at the guy on shore like that’s the root of the problem.
@rscull2102 ай бұрын
“oh and BY THE WAY Dave, JUST THOUGHT YOU SHOULD KNOW”
@MalcolmLambe28 күн бұрын
Yeah. What an asshole.
@Fusilier72 ай бұрын
It's shocking that the captain, was so arrogant he deliberately sailed his aging, problem ridden replica vessel directly for a hurricane, he could have killed everyone on that voyage. Even as the Bounty was in clear trouble, wouldn't believe his ship wouldn't sink, but in the end, he paid the ultimate price for his hubris, and took one deckhand with him. It has been almost a whole year since the implosion of the Titan submersible, this reminds me of that, two captains who had too much confidence, that they thought they were smarter than the sea ... they were not.
@bjbrown2 ай бұрын
The sea always wins.
@themidcentrist2 ай бұрын
The captain of the El Faro too. They both wanted to get to their destinations "on time" despite not being under any pressure to do so. The Bounty captain was the most egregious IMO since he didn't have any cargo and wasn't concerned about getting a promotion from his employer.
@piedpiper11722 ай бұрын
@@bjbrownUSS Constitution givin the sea’s win streak a hard press thou
@f40carz932 ай бұрын
@@piedpiper1172227 years and counting 💪🇺🇸
@namAehT2 ай бұрын
@@f40carz93 IIRC there's some debate about her actual age. It wasn't uncommon for the Navy to "repair" a ship by simply building a new one and slapping the old name onto it. The USS Constellation is a great example of this, the original ship was disassembled in 1853 and another ship was built with the same name.
@t1intern6772 ай бұрын
Pride and ego sink more ships than any storm.
@stephenhill32862 ай бұрын
Yes but what about loose lips?
@miapdx5034 күн бұрын
Absolutely. There are Captains who are rock solid, then there are those who should never had stepped foot on a ship. Some crew members have followed their "hunches" and not boarded, just to learn they were right, and avoided boarding a doomed vessel.
@L.J.McEachern2 ай бұрын
This video is the representation, "Oh, it gets worse." I don't think incompetent is a strong enough word to describe the actions of the captain. The amount of hubris displayed in this incident is off the charts.
@belleslettres3542 ай бұрын
💯
@sabretooth19972 ай бұрын
I'm not sure what the word is, but I would argue that calling him incompetent is off the mark. It would seem he was very competent in his negligence.
@briannasmith11445 күн бұрын
@sabretooth1997 you had me in the first half, not gonna lie
@rickdunn38832 ай бұрын
I attended a Maritime Academy, sailed ships for 18 years. Been in many storms, hurricanes, etc. This was incompetence by the Captain. Note how improper emergency preparedness and maintenance will compound a bad situation.
@Oliepolie2 ай бұрын
Note how he took a wooden sailing ship into a hurricane
@SnakebitSTI2 ай бұрын
Are there accounts of ships being abandoned in good order and without accidents? Because I'd be genuinely curious to see a video on such an incident, particularly covered in the level of depth Brick Immortar goes to. It's easy to find case studies on things being done wrong, but very hard to find case studies on things being done right.
@budgreen4x42 ай бұрын
@@SnakebitSTI HMS terror HMS Endurance Ships that just got stuck in ice and we're left. There was another I can't remember abandoned in the Arctic circle that was abandoned and then thawed out and kept floating to different places to get stuck before disappearing
@McNubbys2 ай бұрын
@@budgreen4x4 I believe the one you are thinking of is the Baychimo.
@satagaming91442 ай бұрын
@@Oliepolie Halsey sailed part of the navy straight into Typhoon Cobra, lost 3 ships and 790 men. Sailing anything into a hurricane is dumb.
@seppo5322 ай бұрын
He’s more than a legend! He’s our friend, Mike Brady, from Oceanliner Designs. I love this collaboration so much!!!!!!! I hope there are more in the future. I loved learning about the technical side of these old ships. In elementary school I spent a night on the CA Thayer. It was really memorable.
@kailoveskitties2 ай бұрын
Sam really missed that opportunity when introducing our friend Mike Brady from Oceanliner Designs at the beginning of this video lol
@jordanwilliams80402 ай бұрын
Mike Brady is the man
@nwvfd222 ай бұрын
" Keep in mind, the Coast Guard's findings and lessons learned tend to be formatted quite differently... and the Coast Guard can be a bit less, diplomatic, in their wording." The first five personnel points end with " This constitutes negligence." 'Less diplomatic'... no kidding Sam.
@q3st1on192 ай бұрын
Something somewhat cathartic about the way the coastguard writes their findings
@musewolfman2 ай бұрын
That was far more diplomatic than I hoped for. "This dude really screwed the pooch. I mean, really. Goddamn." But I guess a USCG report is different than a USCG "talk about it at the bar."
@tocsa120ls2 ай бұрын
The skipper is still trying to send the last email as we're watching.
@tomarmadiyer26982 ай бұрын
Dude used Netscape Navigator
@unitedfront97172 ай бұрын
Wild 💀
@ryano.51492 ай бұрын
"I've been underwater for 12 years...but the ship is fine!"
@musewolfman2 ай бұрын
"As per my last Email, the ship is fine, we just need pumps."
@blotto52 ай бұрын
Hearing the captain's initial plan to sail east of the storm I thought ok, sounds reasonable enough. Must've still gotten too close and swept up in the storm. Unfortunate but the decision isn't *completely* divorced from reality. Listening to the emails about him thinking of trying to sail along the west side: *whispering* don't... NHC downgrading Sandy to tropical storm: DON'T Bounty captain starts sailing west: NO NO NO STOP WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!? I could understand if the accident had happened when they were trying to avoid it sailing east but trying to skirt around it to the west is just reckless negligence in the highest order. It's infuriating that he got somebody else killed for his carelessness, should've only been him paying for his recklessness.
@bjbrown2 ай бұрын
Never go on the bad side of a storm.
@wenthulk84392 ай бұрын
Indeed
@SnakebitSTI2 ай бұрын
Better to not be in a hurricane than to be on the "good" side of it.
@MrKeserian2 ай бұрын
That's something I don't get. I'm from Massachusetts, and from a sailing family, and while I've only toured a tall ship, I do sail, and have a basic understanding of the mechanics at work here. First of all, "a ship is safer at sea" is a total, and complete, lie. Your ship is safer in port, tied up, behind a breakwater, and hooked up to shore power. Hell, even if she sinks, she's in a relatively shallow harbor, and it's not that hard to refloat and dewater a ship in that environment. Second, I don't understand why he turned south. Even if he didn't think the harbor he was in was good enough, he could easily have sailed east, then north, up and around Cape Cod, and then tucked into port along the Massachusetts coast. There are plenty of fantastic, well protected, harbors there: Boston, Salem, Marblehead, and Gloucester to name a few. Or hell, he could have just kept going east until the hurricane passed south of him and then turned south safely. I just don't understand why he thought going anywhere near that storm was a good idea. Massive steel oil tankers, huge cruise ships, and even Navy and Coast Guard vessels were scrambling to get out of that storms way, or to find shelter in Port. What the hell made him think that an aging, compromised, half rotten wooden SAILING ship (which is generous seeing as how her sail plan seemed to be pretty badly set up going by her maximum speeds) with frankly barely effective engines was going to survive that? What I also dint get is that literally anyone who's ever been out on the Atlantic in any sort of vessel what their two biggest fears are, they'd be a fire on board and being caught in a hurricane. It's practically instinctual that you don't go screwing around with hurricanes, and this guy was home ported out of Florida, he should have known that!
@SatanicBunny6662 ай бұрын
@@MrKeserian My take on the decison making of the captain is that it can only be explained by him being essentialy an adrenaline junkie and blided by pride. See the clip of him early in the video talking about 'chasing hurricanes'. It's a good bet he's done something like this before, survived, and that went to his head.This strikes me as the behavior of the classic wannabe 'old seadog' behavior where he's focused more on the epic tales he can tell back at his local pub about how 'all the others stayed at port but we went right on through, and on a sailing boat of all things!" Given all the data about the ship, the crew and the conditions he had access to, there's no rational reqason for him to not head east and make sure he gets enough distance between them and the storm before heading south other than 'Hold my beer YOLO!' -mentality, which usually tends to affect men much younger and less experienced than him, but we all know there are some guys who never truly mentally progress from their early 20s and will seek out adventure at any cost.
@MerchantMarineGuy2 ай бұрын
Six hundred miles east of Norfolk, just after Sandy has passed, spent three days transferring 30,000 tons of ammo via helicopter. 40’ swells with a 240 second period I’ve never seen anything like it. Standing on the deck I could see the other ships flight deck and then minutes later they would be above us. I’ll never forget it.
@kinghenry1002 ай бұрын
I remember boarding this ship in Halifax just before she was lost at sea. Very sad.
@local_authority2 ай бұрын
Are you still lost at sea? Turn on GPS we'll come get you
@MacMilly7072 ай бұрын
That is pretty crazy and interesting at the same time.
@kinghenry1002 ай бұрын
@@local_authorityi am drifting
@Paul_Wetor2 ай бұрын
One crew member said before leaving, "It's only a superstorm." I read that somewhere and thought, "You idiot. That doesn't mean it's less than a hurricane, it means that Sandy is so big that 'hurricane' doesn't accurately describe it."
@nthgth2 ай бұрын
Yeah I remember it being very clear that "superstorm" meant an _upgrade_ from a mere hurricane
@MissJediMouse2 ай бұрын
Only one piece of tall ship sailing lore has survived the two generations since my ancestors sailed, captained and built tall ships; that cyclones are to be feared and respected at all times. I’m so fucking angry, that someone in a time when we can see storms coming before they appear over the horizon would choose to voluntarily place his ship and crew in the path of one is so beyond the pale.
@Halinspark2 ай бұрын
Surely if you're putting to sea for safety, you'd just go up the coast of Canada and maybe visit Greenland or something. I don't know what it costs to operate one of those ships, but surely it would have been less than the cost of a disastsr and two lawsuits.
@leosv8382 ай бұрын
Gotta admit, the candor of the Coast Guard's report as opposed to the neutrality of the NTSB was refreshing. Sometimes you just need an investigation report that makes you go "get their ass".
@Halinspark2 ай бұрын
Practically every section he read ended with the phrase "This constitutes negligence." Can't say I'm surprised the report sounds downright irritated with the captain by the end when they have no explanation for sailing right at it.
@ames20002 ай бұрын
i just wanted to say how much i appreciate y’all for providing actual closed captions instead of the youtube auto generated shit. i have an auditory processing disorder and having captions has made it so much easier for me to understand what you guys are saying. thanks again :^)
@Merennulli2 ай бұрын
Admittedly, my entire knowledge of sailing comes from channels like Mike Brady's and yours, but I can't fathom why he wouldn't sail northeast to move tangentially away from the range of predicted paths. Obviously, letting the ship sink in port while the crew went inland to shelter was the right call, but even valuing the ship over human life doesn't add up.
@bethl76022 ай бұрын
There were potential sponsors and a fundraiser scheduled in Florida
@KitsuneRogue2 ай бұрын
@@bethl7602Well in hindsight,a fat lot of good those prospected sponsors did the ship's crew.
@zombiedoggie27322 ай бұрын
@@bethl7602 Uh I doubt the sponsership would of went on with hurricane damage.
@pullt2 ай бұрын
Is truly very sad that a great crew member, Claudene Christian, was lost.
@c4h5n2o12 ай бұрын
yet another disaster with one man at the center of it all, having spectacular delusions of how in control he is.
@ImpmanPDX2 ай бұрын
Oceanliner Designs, Waterline Stories, Oilfield History and even Scary Interesting. The number of capable folks covering maritime disasters these days is just amazing!
@vernicethompson48252 ай бұрын
Add Part Time Explorer and Big Old Boats to your list. Big Old Boats focuses on the Great Lakes, which will educate you like never before about all the shipping that has gone on there for over a century.
@Pippy12 ай бұрын
@@vernicethompson4825PTE is such a good channel
@fernandomarques51662 ай бұрын
Don't forget Maritime Horrors, our fav coastie
@sd80mac2 ай бұрын
And they do it better than any major modern network could. These remind me of the documentaries from 30 years ago: No nonsense, no conjecture, no sensationalism, just the incident as it played out and all the known facts. I miss docs like this!
@DBravo29er2 ай бұрын
Captain was behind the power curve at every turn. Also, I don't understand why he decided to intentionally mischaracterize the condition of the vessel in every email and every communication?? Erring on the side of an incredibly and shockingly optimistic interpretation of every negative circumstance. It's baffling to me.
@sunsetlights1002 ай бұрын
Loss of Pride perhaps why captain avoided may day call early ... ..
@hanzzel60862 ай бұрын
"The ship is fine" sandwiched between "we can not dewater" and "we have 4-6 hours" is bloody insane.
@johnvanzoest45322 ай бұрын
I think that's known as toxic optimism. He seemed to be at least partially in denial.
@themidcentrist2 ай бұрын
The captain was 63 years old, maybe he had early onset dementia? I'm not saying that to be disrespectful, but I can't otherwise explain his actions. Perhaps there was some pride, overconfidence, and a lack of understanding that hurricanes, even weak ones, are still very large and dangerous? Of all the ships you don't want to sail into a hurricane a wooden sailboat is #1 on the list. Even the large oil tanker didn't want to take the risk.
@SnakebitSTI2 ай бұрын
It seems like some people believe if they can convince themselves, they can convince the weather too.
@billsmith51662 ай бұрын
I would never have though that KZfaq, as it was ten years ago, would eventually produce documentaries that are superior to those of PBS in it's heyday. This is outstanding work. Thank you for the video.
@Tacitusreborn2 ай бұрын
I remember hearing about this whole incident when I first got into the tall ship industry in 2014. I know people who had done restoration and shipwright work on her. It's just a fact of life that the historical organizations which own and maintain these ships are desperately underfunded and do the best they can under the circumstances; man of these ships exist in a delicate condition with the owners juggling what issues to fix and what to let go on extremely shoe-string budgets. That being so, and knowing that the ship was in a somewhat delicate condition, the decision to take her south into the landward side of the hurricane baffles me. Hurricane Sandy was a storm with a pretty predictable track. There was little evidence that she'd turn out to sea and all forecasts suggested she'd turn to make landfall on the mid-Atlantic coast. It's true that often the safest place to be in a storm is offshore, Bounty could have very easily kept heading east and avoided the storm entirely. Furthermore, knowing about the rough weather and the state of the ship, I would have taken the couple of days of fair weather to double and triple check the pumps, generators, etc. and made sure everything was working. I would have run safety drills. I don't hold the crew responsible. They preformed heroically in trying to save their ship. I feel that the responsibility lies solely at the captain's feet. Many of the crew were inexperienced and looking towards their experienced and knowledgeable captain to handle the situation properly. The fact of the matter is that he had both the experience and the information to keep his ship and crew safe. It's such a shame that two people died and that a fine ship, there are so few sailing ships still kicking about, was lost on account of extreme negligence on the part of someone who should have known better.
@Curt_Sampson2 ай бұрын
Not just the captain's feet, though he was clearly negligent. The shore organisation should also have been involved in ensuring that there were regular safety drills, pumps and other equipment were tested, and so on. Better USCG regulation of a ship like this probably would have helped with that. Sure, some would say that it might kill a few organisations that are already extremely strained, but is that as bad as killing a few people? A big issue here was that everything involved with ship safety appeared to rely on just one person: the captain. I don't know why his decision-making was so poor in this instance, since he was apparently quite knowledgeable, but we know that this sort of thing can happen to _anyone,_ which is why we set up organisations and systems to review people's plans, rather than just leaving it all up to one person.
@markup63942 ай бұрын
I still cant see how a ship would be saver offshore with a hurricane approaching... Mind to elaborate?
@lordofchaos53782 ай бұрын
@markup6394 at sea there is more escape room if things turn poor if they had headed east around likr the original plan It would have been quite likely that it would have been fine If a ship breaks off her moorings during a hurricane in a harbor there is a big problem and likely damaged
@valshevchenko26012 ай бұрын
She was a beautiful ship: I could even understand cutting corners for durability, with craftsmanship eating up the budget, if her owners kept her purely as a floating museum and movie set. The fact that she was being sailed long distances at 60 years old was jaw dropping, never mind her being wedged right into the hurricane. Genuine question from someone with limited experience: would anyone have expected an 18th century tallship to even survive this long?
@adamkoller5411Ай бұрын
You can’t go east in a tall ship in a raging E/NE wind. Tacking angles likely little better than 90 degrees on that vessel. Does not explain his running SW, pinning him between the storm and land.
@donallan63962 ай бұрын
This Captain preceded Stockton Rush in the Hall of Fame of Stupidity. A total disregard for safety.
@SolidAvenger12902 ай бұрын
Including the captain of the El Faro. The man kept leaving the bridge amid Hurricane Joaquin in 2015, stating, "This storm isn't bad at all. Sleeping like a baby". They had multiple attempts to avoid the storm. Still, the captain believed his "mental model" that they would avoid the hurricane and survive the rough weather at first, given their previous experience in Alaska's waters.
@Framo602 ай бұрын
@@SolidAvenger1290 And he based his judgement on weather information that lagged three hours behind the actual developments ...
@dungeonrat2 ай бұрын
I'm stunned at the level of arrogance bordering on madness displayed by this "captain"! To deliberately sail any vessel into the path of a hurricane is complete madness. Hindsight is 20/20, but there was no compelling need to undertake this voyage at this time; in a vessel with so many obvious and glaring defects.
@MIchaelArlowe2 ай бұрын
Probably wanted a nice headline to help sell the ship. “HMS Bounty survives Hurricane Sandy”
@newbatgirl2 ай бұрын
@@MIchaelArlowe I suspect you may be close to the truth here. Makes me wonder what the emails he was sending to the organization throughout the situation said.
@ryano.51492 ай бұрын
"A ship is safer at sea..." I mean, sure, when you have a ship in good repair, a highly experienced professional crew, and a captain not out-of-his-freakin-mind enough to sail directly into the path of one of the most powerful storms in decades, sure. This whole story is absolutely infuriating.
@KRDecade20092 ай бұрын
Halsey sailed task force 38 through Typhoon Cobra in 1944 and lost the destroyers “Spence” “Hull” and “Monaghan” these ships while only a couple years old were practically new compared to the 60 year old wooden vessel. Though with Halsey cases he literally wasn’t given accurate information until it was too late to do anything about the situation as his own fleet and the army was given him two different readings
@rogerallen6644Ай бұрын
Exactly. If you’re sailing the maritime equivalent of a colander, stay in port.
@Alan.livingston2 ай бұрын
"The boat is doing great. We can't dewater." I think the captains idea of doing great is different to other peoples.
@callmeonkeshiasphone2 ай бұрын
im like WHY DOES HE KEEP SAYING THIS.
@nthgth2 ай бұрын
Yeah I thought that was weird. Maybe in sea speak, the condition of the boat in that context just means it's still in one piece and could be saved if they could just get the water out?
@BType13X22 ай бұрын
@@nthgth generally speaking any ship could be saved if you can get the water out. The Titanic totally saveable if you could get the water out. But you know its the whole not being able to do that...
@559viking2 ай бұрын
I sailed on this Ship in 1999 for Sail Training being a USS Constitution Navy Sailor, we sailed from Rhode Island to New York, I remember feeling unsafe when I was on watch and checked the bilge and noticed alot of water, I reported it to the skipper and he asked me if the duck was floating...they had a duck on a string hanging over the bilge, I said no, he said we are fine then, if the duck is floating then we have to increase the sumps. Oh boy was I freaked! I know it's normal for all wooden vessels to have water but it seemed like alot. Never the less I had a blast on Board that Ship and was saddened to see this on the new back then. It's a weird feeling to know a ship I sailed on is at the bottom of the Ocean. RIP to the captain and the deck hand that went down with her. You have the watch now Bounty, take care of them.
@nl-oc9ew27 күн бұрын
You sailed this, AND Constitution? Lucky bloke.
@notifysend101512 күн бұрын
Yeah? Is it normal for a supposedly reliable wooden modern built ship to be sinking when not moving and having to rely on pumps by default to stay afloat?
@ripwednesdayadams2 ай бұрын
if a captain thinks their ship is unsinkable, that ship is definitely going straight to davy jones’s locker.
@nthgth2 ай бұрын
The fraternal twin of Murphy's Law, pretty much. Same with the first rule of firearm safety.
@TonydeBellis-iq6ly2 ай бұрын
I spent 20 years at sea, half of that as master Two points. 1. Confidence does not equal competence. Important to know the difference. I cannot imagine putting to sea in hurricane warning conditions reliant on pumps. Mechanical systems all break and break faster when getting bounced around. Murphy first law. 2. You do a really good job.
@richardwalter83412 ай бұрын
There is a suggestion in the sailing community that BOUNTY was scheduled to appear at St. Petersburg for a fee. It is well known that it operating such vessels is VERY expensive, and forfeiting an appearance fee can have a great impact on operations. Like in so many circumstances, follow the money.
@Historybuff_7692 ай бұрын
So excited to see my favorite KZfaqrs collaborate with each other
@jessicam57122 ай бұрын
Now we just need Tom from Part-Time Explorer and we'd have a maritime trifecta
@themidcentrist2 ай бұрын
Yeah. Gotta find a way to work with Angry Video Game Nerd and Kim Justice. 😁
@iRunKids2 ай бұрын
The whole time I was thinking that the captain did this on purpose, I’m glad the USCG put that in the report. Do you think he wanted to go down in a blaze of glory or maybe he thought he would captain a new ship from the insurance? Or was he really arrogant enough to believe that he could sail through a hurricane in a pos boat with a bunch of greenhorns?
@hanzzel60862 ай бұрын
Who knows? But I'm going with "never assume malicious where simple stupidity will suffice".
@bennitori42 ай бұрын
He may have wanted the bragging rights of saying he captained the ship through the hurricane. Or he thought his historic understanding of the situation was so strong that he'd know enough to actually navigate the ship through a hurricane. He probably didn't think the ship would go down. He may have wanted the experience of what the sailors went through. But a historic experience isn't worth risking lives. Especially lives that trust you to protect them.
@themidcentrist2 ай бұрын
My uncle sank his own boat for the insurance since he basically never used it and couldn't afford it anymore. During a tropical storm he went to the marina and "pulled the plug" and blamed the storm for the sinking. I was a kid when this happened and didn't know the truth until 20 years later.
@unitedfront97172 ай бұрын
It feels like arrogance honestly.....and when he finally realized what he has done it shows in those final emails and then going down with the ship
@CM266172 ай бұрын
Sounds like the captain had a 'mental model' of how the storm was performing, especially since the initial, if temporary, downgrading of the storm's strength before it was reclassified the following morning; not to mention the idea he held about how intense winds around the 'eye' operated. Problem was - as in the case of SS El Faro - the captain got literally jarred out of it far too late to make any difference. IMO, the decision to 'cross the eye's T' was simply inexcusable, even under the best of circumstances at the time.
@nickw76192 ай бұрын
As someone who lives a block from the beach in Atlantic City, NJ I can not even imagine what it was like for those on board.. I live in a 5 story concrete building next to the Tropicana and it felt like the building was going to sink. The absolute hubress of the captain and non-reciprocation of respect for the crew and their lives is astounding
@GhostMe3032 ай бұрын
In an emergency take control of the situation, before the situation takes control of you
@AshesOfArcadia2 ай бұрын
El Faro says Hi! Unbelievable.
@ryanwitman86722 ай бұрын
I just came over here from Ocean Liner Designs. I love both of these channels, I’m super pumped that you guys did this, glad to be here 👍
@nerysghemor57812 ай бұрын
On an aviation note, it absolutely blows my mind all the different missions the C-130 is capable of. It goes into conditions you wouldn't dare put any other plane into!
@littlespinycactus2 ай бұрын
I know nothing of tall ships, but I know a fair bit about timber: one look at those photos of the decaying hull and, like the doomed vessel, my heart sank. In such a parlous state of disrepair, it's a wonder she held together as long as she did in those savage conditions, and nothing short of a miracle that most of her crew survived. So sad that the brave deckhand didn't make it, though there's some solace in knowing that she was returned to her loved ones. As for the Captain, he is where he belongs.
@TexasVernon2 ай бұрын
Although the Coast Guard service has well-known deficiencies in management, the front-line members who directly work to protect people on the water are absolutely amazing.
@katiwithoutthee2 ай бұрын
AHHH BI AND OUR FRIEND MIKE BRADY FROM OCEANLINER DESIGNS.... MY SKIN IS CLEAR MY CROPS ARE WATERED MY AUTISM IS FED
@hagus422 ай бұрын
Yes!!! I clapped my hands with glee!
@user-yi3yx2fn7g2 ай бұрын
LOLed so I scared my cat!
@Brock_Landers2 ай бұрын
I remember when Sandy came through. I live in Pittsburgh, so obviously we didnt have it anywhere near as bad as parts of NJ, NY, and parts of the extreme NE, but I remember that it was very stormy and windy. I lost a row of four pine trees that were in my backyard. It ripped the grass and dirt up all the way around them all to a mound of roughly 35' by 20'. I also remember hearing of the sinking of the Bounty on the news.
@ScoutSniper31242 ай бұрын
15:14 I spent many years as a USCG Ships Engineer. If I had ever heard a Captain, especially one of this type of vessel talk about "Chasing Hurricanes" I wouldn't be anywhere near that vessel, not for ANY amount of money. This idiot was literally a shipwreck waiting to happen.
@wilmantube2 ай бұрын
Seeing you do your first true sailing video is *awesome*. As a rec sailor who's racing across the pacific next month, I find this type of stuff absolutely fascinating. I'd love if you'd consider the Farallones tragedy a few years ago. There's a bunch of stuff you could cover, including wave height calculations, negligence, and a tragic backstory. It forever transformed ocean sailing in the SF Bay Area
@mhoppy6639Ай бұрын
The ‘79(?) Fastnet race would be quite interesting. I was 5or 6 and vaguely remember the news on the telly but a doc on it would be great from Bi
@morganambler52812 ай бұрын
I didn’t think I could be more excited when I saw a new BI video drop, but then I found out it’s a collab with our friend Mike Brady from Oceanliner Designs!
@tomconley24582 ай бұрын
It’s ironic that of the 2 people who died, the captain and Claudene Christian, she was a descendant of Fletcher Christian from the real story of the Mutiny on the Bounty.
@iivin42332 ай бұрын
"I hear the voice of my ancestors on the wind. What are they trying to say?" "We would not go out into a storm like this! That's why we survived and you can still buy one of our houses downtown!"
@c-man77402 ай бұрын
I remember as a kid, seeing the famous picture of the swamped Bounty on the news. As a kid who was obsessed ships it saddened me. I must say, the sheer, negligence and denial of the captain in this situation is astounding to me. However that is almost always the case in tragedies that are so avoidable. I thank you Sam for covering this tragedy and your collaboration with Mike was a treat for all of us fans. You both did an amazing job.
@Warui882 ай бұрын
Ships with this name just can't catch a break...
@guachingman2 ай бұрын
there s something to that..titanic titan, bounty..
@Sableagle2 ай бұрын
A break? EVERYTHING broke!
@lolalalia41192 ай бұрын
I was this many years old when i finally learn I've been saying "floundering" when it should be "FOUndering" 🤦🏻♀️
@SPierre-dm4wo2 ай бұрын
'Floundering' does mean something very similar (if less dire), though, so no facepalming needed; it's an understandable switch! And I'm speaking as someone who usually gets irrationally annoyed and judgmental about things like 'free reign' and 'for all intensive purposes', lol.
@nthgth2 ай бұрын
@@SPierre-dm4wo Haha thank you for that, I had the exact same thought as OP. So it's not quite the eggcorn we thought it was! (I'm usually like you about things like that)
@thatsaniceboulder14832 ай бұрын
@@SPierre-dm4wo mmhmm….. and: pacifically, I could care less, I couldn’t breath, pisghetti and preform instead of perform.
@zombieshoot43182 ай бұрын
Amazing that only two died. Captain, based on how the crew described him near the end, was probably too injured to do anything when he went into the water and the deckhand was just bad luck. I hope the 2nd Mate who told her to go doesn't blame himself. He was stuck and couldn't free himself from the ship. I'd bet he thinks had he not been stuck or told her to wait he could have kept her alive. The ship should never have sailed.
@MacMilly7072 ай бұрын
Mistake after mistake after mistake. Super sad story. I'm definitely going to take the lessons from this story and never let anyone lead me to death. RIP to the women who lost her life. Poor lady.🙏
@raquellofstedt97132 ай бұрын
RIP Claudene. Fair skies and following seas. And thanks BiM for another detailed and impressive video.
@MadScientistsLair2 ай бұрын
It's like the captain of HMS Bounty and El Faro were in a competition to see who had the most hubris, who could make the worst decisions, and who's ship was least seaworthy...a literal race to the bottom of the sea.
@Ntwadumela842 ай бұрын
The parallels between the loss of the Bounty and the loss of El Faro are striking.
@app-o-matix2 ай бұрын
I grew up in St. Pete in the 70’s and we would go at least once a year to the Bounty. It is one of my favorite childhood memories. I loved going and I would imagine myself living on it. So sad that it is now associated with tragedy.
@boingkster2 ай бұрын
As an Australian I'm keen to hear your compilation of information on this one. Cheers for all you do.
@ericmcguire95732 ай бұрын
Heartbreaking. Reminds me when my ocean survival instructor said, this is how midshipman die, he wasn’t joking.
@thegracklepeck2 ай бұрын
I remember hearing about this right when it was happening. My dad said the guy was nuts. I just couldn't believe he took a poorly kept up sailing vessel out under those conditions and with people that had so little experience with sailing in general. It was a suicide mission at best. 😢
@BizValkyrie2 ай бұрын
The historical images of Bounty at Tampa Bay with both bridges, at different times, are very fitting considering the other stories on the channel. Fantastic work again. Thank you for putting these together!
@Silverghost9922 ай бұрын
The team up we needed, can't wait.
@katywalczak98392 ай бұрын
I got to go aboard Bounty at a tall ship gathering...i was saddened by her loss during Sandy. Thank you Sam for another well done narrative
@pkmballistic4599Ай бұрын
you saying that your videos are off limits to sponsors just earned you another subscriber, i love what you are doing so much keep up the amazing work and never forget the victims who were lost in these awful disasters
@jennifertwede71422 ай бұрын
Crazy karma and mirroring between these two Bounties; it’s so fascinating! Congrats on a fabulous collaboration!
@hardcasekara64092 ай бұрын
I remember seeing the Bounty Replica when I was a kid and it visited San Juan Harbour in Puerto Rico, it was a nice sight and the crew were really kind to me and my stepfather thou he did most of the talking for me since i was too nervous to talk in english to some strangers, its a shame i later found out what happened to the ship and that some of the crew passed away.
@DJCatmom2 ай бұрын
It's quite bizzare to see a sailing ship disaster with modern rescue services involved. Even though I'm not into sailing ships at all, this is a very interesting and unique case and it's great that you brought it to light as thoroughly as you usually do with your videos. Thank you, Sam!
@zaggoth2 ай бұрын
"Ship is fine" providing a lot of buoyancy to those emails.
@thomas_dries2 ай бұрын
If this ‘Bounty’ being referred to is the HMS Bounty, then we’re in for a real treat.
@sergeysmirnov10622 ай бұрын
It's the replica of the Bounty
@SpearFisher852 ай бұрын
Make sure to watch oceanliner designs collab vid
@thomas_dries2 ай бұрын
Ah! I see that now, I had no idea there was a replica made of the Bounty.@@sergeysmirnov1062
@thomas_dries2 ай бұрын
@@SpearFisher85 I am off to watch it now! Thank you!
@boredi60502 ай бұрын
no
@niallgoddard022 ай бұрын
Few things make me happier than a new Brick Immortar upload. ❤
@DMSparky2 ай бұрын
Wow the fact that the coast guard was able to save so many lives is incredible.
@kathyjones15762 ай бұрын
What a great example of "pride goes before a fall". The captain's 30 year successful career created a prideful attitude that, ironiclly enough, kept him from being a good captain on this voyage.
@michaelsinger46382 ай бұрын
WTF would you ever think it’s a good idea to sail into a freaking hurricane? Especially with a ship like this.
@bjbrown2 ай бұрын
Ego. The vessel was not safe and the crew was traveling with incorrect information.
@JosieJOK2 ай бұрын
I feel stupid because I can’t figure out why he didn’t head north instead of south.
@mommy2libras2 ай бұрын
@@JosieJOK because they were supposed to be moving the ship to St. Petersburg, Florida. And he was like many other captains (and pilots), who have egos too big for their britches, believing they know better and can outsmart nature because "I've been doing this for years". They believe they can't make mistakes and anyone who questions them is just wrong.
@elLooto2 ай бұрын
@@JosieJOK Because the ship was going to a port in Florida, which is south of where he was berthed.
@guachingman2 ай бұрын
he wanted to prove a point
@cyberleaderandy12 ай бұрын
Staying put would have saved lives and the ship. That is beyond question and the sad thing is all the information was available to make the obvious decision as other ships captains did exactly that .
@hd_harold75872 ай бұрын
This channel and your videos have inspired me to pursue maritime safety as a profession after years of indecision on my end. Proud to call myself an immortar supporter on Patreon and looking forward to seeing the future of this channel.
@Paul_Wetor2 ай бұрын
This sounds a lot like the space shuttle Challenger accident, in that they had gotten away with risk before, which led them to believe they could continue doing so. Kudos to the Coast Guard were well-deserved, as they were forced to put themselves in danger to rescue the Bounty's crew, which should never have needed rescuing in the first place. One account I read believed that the captain was trying to get to St. Petersburg by a specific date for possible sale or a festival, I forget.
@user-rn5ks8sf5x2 ай бұрын
The unnecessary loss caused by one man’s hubris.
@kristenbell20952 ай бұрын
Two of my favorite voices on the interwebs!!!!!
@abnurtharn29272 ай бұрын
She was here in Bergen Norway back in 2011.
@gprich822 ай бұрын
Does the ship float? No Do the pumps work? No Has the engineer ever even worked on a ship? No Is the hurricane coming? Yes Perfect. Send it.
@Prototheria2 ай бұрын
Dude, that was the smoothest transition from content subject matter to promoting Patreon membership that I've ever heard.
@jonesy27929 күн бұрын
I don’t know if I’ve missed it before, but seeing BI working together with Mike and the team Oceanliner Designs makes me so happy! My two favourite boat bois!!
@orionbarnes17332 ай бұрын
"A ship is safer at sea than in port" Yeah, the Titanic was famously already in New York when that iceberg came in out of nowhere and slammed into the ship, can't believe Cameron left that detail out of the movie
@pastorjerrykliner31622 ай бұрын
The similarities between this episode and the El Faro are striking... Both include Captains who either underestimate the storm they are sailing into and overestimate their ship's capabilities. They also feature Captains who are operating on out-of-date information and who trust their own opinions over-and-above reality and over the opinions of others.
@Arnold-Larsen2 ай бұрын
The captain had a delusional romantic idea of struggling at sea and systematically put his crew in incressingly more dangerous conditions.
@Nostradankus2 ай бұрын
This was beyond reckless, this was flat out suicide. With the possible exception of the newer deckhands, everybody on board *must* have known this was going to end poorly. The ship was barely seaworthy and any storm probably would have sunk them but it being Hurricane Sandy certainly didn't help. It's a testament to just how good The US Coast Guard is that only 2 members of the crew lost their lives, and in the case of the captain I believe that death was intentional, at least subconsciously. Perhaps the captain was worried the Bounty would get destroyed by Sandy in port and so made the choice to fabricate his own last stand rather than let her to go down on her own. A tragic decision.
@TonySpike2 ай бұрын
Captain - "we chase hurricanes" The Sea Gods - "and we took that personally"