Brilliant discussion | Frank Lampard and Chris Sutton talk the perils youth football in England

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6 жыл бұрын

Ahead of No Hunger in Paradise, Mike Calvin joins Jake Humphrey, Frank Lampard and Chris Sutton to talk about the perils of the youth football system in England.

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@alexking3657 6 жыл бұрын

Frank is a quality pundit!

@liam190 6 жыл бұрын

Suraj is the only quality pundit to ever grace the earth. I bet he rates Phil Neville as a quality pundit.

@WiffGiff 6 жыл бұрын

Alex King maybe, but in this discussion he refused to put any responsibilities on the clubs, which they have.

@mrjefferies90 5 жыл бұрын

He is an excellent speaker of his mind

@barryoneill4754 5 жыл бұрын

Alex King Sutton is the man

@julianjdogg 6 жыл бұрын

After all of that Leicester go and win the league with an ex-30quid a week player upfront. Football is beautiful.

@podrag 6 жыл бұрын

Probably the Americans have it right where the University and Professionals systems are more linked and players are encouraged to maintain their grade average and make industry links while at University. So if they don't make it University sports players go on to get good jobs with good opportunities and their whole college tuition and living costs get covered. And they are still kept within a broader brotherhood instead of just being dropped out the social group altogether.

@onlyfootballnaga7252 2 жыл бұрын

excellent system

@Geokinkladze Жыл бұрын

Academies provide an education for their players. So players in academies are also encouraged to continue with their education and it is also all paid for.

@hf3923 6 жыл бұрын

We need to have a low wage for players up to 21 years old but have bonuses based on performance to give them incentives to try their hardest if they want to have their riches

@02cahillt 6 жыл бұрын

Why just up until their 21? That just means that when they get to 21 they'll think they can stop trying. It should be like that for everyone. A low basic wage, and big performance related bonus'.

@eddyededwin 6 жыл бұрын

Money isnt the issue u cant prove urslef until u get a chance . Look at all the chelsea talents that they wasted ,young players need game time to develop

@michaelo9379 6 жыл бұрын

Tom Cahill what if money is your motivation

@jaylewis4091 6 жыл бұрын

+Tom Cahill because most would of matured by 21. Good idea I think

@wearewon 6 жыл бұрын

they need to all be given the same support - the bonus comes from getting rewarded by being signed by the bigger clubs who will pay them more - there needs to be support for families and the player so is healthy to go through and fail since most will fail - the failures are also a big part of the successes succeeding we must remember as they are all helping to increase the quality of players developed

@Insertnamehere287 6 жыл бұрын

Why some youth players are on £10,000 a week is beyond me. How can clubs expect these players to be humble and work hard for a place in the first team if they are already on first team money ?

@jakemansley3821 6 жыл бұрын

Hate the new KZfaq. The reason is that the club want to keep the player. The youth players representatives will tell the club give him 10k or he will go to 'x' club that will give him the 10k so they are almost forced to if they desperately want to keep them. They don't want to pay them that much

@jaylewis4091 6 жыл бұрын

10,000??? And the rest mate

@dk_official4535 5 жыл бұрын

who?

@abdulfattah4276 3 жыл бұрын

10k a week to train sparingly and have a good time out with my non football mates after training everyday. i love life hahaha

@deadlydimitarr 6 жыл бұрын

Winks, Wilshere, Alli, RLC, all needed at the WC for the midfield. Tammy as well.

@Smz1sh 6 жыл бұрын

Suraj's Opinion is Better and of course messi lingard

@trojanthegreat 6 жыл бұрын

Wilshere is 25 years old, would be pressed to call him a youth player

@keepah1798 6 жыл бұрын

We’ll see how Lallanas season is after the injury

@isakpetterssonmusic 6 жыл бұрын

England should do what Germany, France, Italy and Spain did. Rebuild the whole academy structure. And have an identity.

@olimercer835 6 жыл бұрын

Isak Pettersson what ages do they start to play?

@vikdaddy 6 жыл бұрын

They did - it's reaped a number of trophies won at international level this past summer

@MegaPolarGaming 6 жыл бұрын

Wdym they did no one cares if we've won a youth World Cup we need to win a real World Cup. All we do is go for big fast players and that's why we win a youth and not at the older ages cause the technical are the ones that are the winners

@Bcpowell 6 жыл бұрын

We have, it's called the England DNA

@adriangutierrez3196 6 жыл бұрын

Rikki Burgess absolutely true u can see a example of the u.s national team . their younger athletes go to friendlys against other countries and sometimes they'll do good against top countries such Brazil,england, and Argentina, but the only reason that their doing decent against them is they are more stronger and can run more across the pitch. as soon as they get older and go to the national team it's a whole different

@johnhaigh7473 6 жыл бұрын

Taking 3 year olds is the most nonsensical thing I have heard football related

@jamesflint6062 6 жыл бұрын

John Haig

@R9naldo 2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesflint6062 Jam Flick

@forty5248 6 жыл бұрын

Youth players are way too overpayed in England, there is 19 year olds walking around in designer clothes with expensive cars, losing their passion for the game. Make them grind and prove themselves to reap the rewards not just sign for a big club because they have a little bit of talent

@abdirisakawes6544 6 жыл бұрын

N'golo Kante ikr

@alexl7787 6 жыл бұрын

N'golo Kante bakyoko was always better

@nahidahmed1209 6 жыл бұрын

N'golo Kante I dont need a Idiot to tell me whats wrong with a English Youth system. 1. English players are developing faster because of the system and training available to them. 2. Foreign players have less growing up and start developing slower.

@GamerGoneFishing 6 жыл бұрын

Same with every footballer, not just the youth.

@robertcampbell661 6 жыл бұрын

That's what the bosman brought in.

@FunBobbyNI 6 жыл бұрын

14 years old in an Academy and they get their boots cleaned. Wtf is that about? Clean your own boots then go and do the 1st team players as well and be grateful for the privilege.

@rgamingking 5 жыл бұрын

Steffan Greer that makes no sense

@deadlygtbittercreek 5 жыл бұрын

Cant clean the first teams boot anymore the games changed and those days are long gone. Shearer spoke about it on the geordie pod cast and he said that they should clean them but the clubs stopped it.

@lizzie2trappy54 6 жыл бұрын

Football was always going to change. People need to understand that

@jakemansley3821 6 жыл бұрын

The Boss agreed. Too much at stake

@Dblue862 6 жыл бұрын

Well it’s time it got it’s house in order now as it’s gone beyond a joke.

@darrencarter6350 6 жыл бұрын

That's a fair assessment but not all change is good and should be swiftly identified as to the merits of the current trend (like the diving epidemic) before rolling over and simply accepting it.

@AFMakers 6 жыл бұрын

Weird thing now is we’ve, probably, got the most exciting youth talents right now. Soon they’ll be starting the prem thanks to these documentaries though, promising times ahead

@stevenlewis8903 6 жыл бұрын

Too much money when they are young! No drive or ambition to do any better! My father used to say that to many when I was younger and I didn’t agree! Now being a bit older, I have totally changed my outlook.

@jacob4690 6 жыл бұрын

They aren't paid any money..

@jackjelf07 6 жыл бұрын

Whenever a title is 'brilliant' anything, normally that means it's gonna be rubbish. But this is one of the best discussions I've seen/heard in a long long time. Great topic

@MrBounce66 6 жыл бұрын

Wages need to be incentive based. Not just for young foootballers.

@alexl7787 6 жыл бұрын

Really really great interesting video

@LaurentumEclectic 6 жыл бұрын

New philosophical golden age confirmed. Football pundits having intellectual discussions about psychology and society. This is how we build a better world; free thought and open discussion from all angles.

@thetwitterlectual9528 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, makes a nice change from banal post-match interviews saying things like “ we could have nicked it today/ a draw was a fair result...... “

@LaurentumEclectic 3 жыл бұрын

@@thetwitterlectual9528 It at least blows the "footballers are all idiots" narrative out of the water!

@thetwitterlectual9528 3 жыл бұрын

@@LaurentumEclectic Well and truly.

@stuartmills3005 5 жыл бұрын

Great chat from FL but I coached a side from U-7s to U-16s and had a few players taken by a Professional Clubs Accademy - those players were not allowed to play for us (and with all their mates) even if they werent selected to play for the academy side. At 16/17 all released by the club. It just isnt right that these boys are banned from playing with the clubs and friends they grew up with ...

@Geokinkladze Жыл бұрын

My daughter turned down an opportunity to sign for a club team because it meant leaving the boys team she played for. At the time I thought she was maybe making the wrong decision but I've since realised it was probably the right thing to do.

@shimmyon6979 4 жыл бұрын

Very well put by all. I am changing the way I thought with my boy.

@frankydave 5 жыл бұрын

Great discussion, they all make very valid points. I suspect this is very much a by-product of how the premier league has developed since its inception, with all the money coming in from all angles, and everyone getting caught up in it, but then nobody higher up stopping to think about the affect of the young players who don't make it for whatever reason. THe documentary sounds like a good watch, does anyone know the title of it?

@sihammer7942 5 жыл бұрын

Brilliant discussion about this brilliant documentary............ A link to this masterful piece of film making is, however, asking for too much, I'm sad to say.......... Fortunately, though, Spurs are in the Champion's League final, so these minor setbacks are like water off a duck's arse........ where once there might have been psychotic rage, there's only gentle calm.............. so that's nice............

@oldfart4751 5 жыл бұрын

I used to Manage in boys football 11 to 16 year old, the Parents were so pushy for their boys, let the lads enjoy their football.

@mofo6058 6 жыл бұрын

I got dropped by palace at 14 and ended up in trouble with the police until I was 24,this is an issue.

@dk_official4535 5 жыл бұрын

that was your fault

@humzahhassan4521 5 жыл бұрын

Well why didn’t focus on school then like the odds of making are less than 1% just enjoy the game and love playing at that level because it could be your last at anytime

@VooDooMaGicMan81 4 жыл бұрын

A lot of natural athletes from working class backgrounds can go that way. See it all the time

@KhanivoreQniba 6 жыл бұрын

Great debate. Lampard is quality.

@rubiorclaudio 5 жыл бұрын

Someone has the link to the download the full documentary of No Hunger in Paradise?

@ahmedgr6392 6 жыл бұрын

Can someone please link us the documentary if they find it ?

@markw5420 6 жыл бұрын

Lampard is such an insightful talker on the game....

@millerchassis6119 4 жыл бұрын

Any links to the documentary?

@euro20049 6 жыл бұрын

Whats the name of the documentery?

@shaquillesheppard4888 6 жыл бұрын

Great discussion Lampard makes some great points brilliant

@daveclark3337 5 жыл бұрын

Where can I watch the documentary ?

@darrencarter6350 6 жыл бұрын

People forget the negative effects that agents have on these young players. They inflate the ego's and portray them as world class talents when half of them haven't even developed as a man mentally or physically.

@fader1912 6 жыл бұрын

Where can i watch this documentary anyone plz?

@omarsiddiqi5262 5 жыл бұрын

6.52 sums up the whole issue for me

@imposs-up1hg 6 жыл бұрын

Lampard's a clever bloke, but he's a company man.

@ChrisSmith-bh4qe 6 жыл бұрын

Lampard - not just a footballing genius, but a wise and intelligent man outside football too

@alexfelton1201 4 жыл бұрын

When Frank becomes England Manager he will win us the world cup....no doubt!!

@aleksifraser5493 6 жыл бұрын

Giving big sums of money to young un-educated men doesn't do any good. Frank Lampard came from a time when young players were given an apprenticeship where they had to come in at an entry level and had to work for that contract from day one. He didn't get 50,000 pounds a week like a lot of young players now. It's also a cultural issue where English players don't have the discipline that players from other parts of Europe do.

@jordanblud10 6 жыл бұрын

Aleksi Fraser what young players are on 50000k a week

@Insertnamehere287 6 жыл бұрын

Jordan Samuels Mbappe and dembele are on £200,000 a week. I probably shouldn't include mbappe cos he's an anomaly. I believe loftus cheek is on around £30,000 a week.

@VooDooMaGicMan81 4 жыл бұрын

Much of the modern German team have a rich boy mentality (Reus etc) same with the French youth and even the Spanish to a lesser extent. Culture has changed in Europe as a whole and without getting too controversial and upsetting people, attitudes and cultural background are certainly linked.

@minjusears 6 жыл бұрын

I couldn't watch this cause all I could hear in my ear was his tongue slapping the roof of his mouth

@jimmyog 6 жыл бұрын

the sound of his saliva is too overpowering for me

@mabozza85 6 жыл бұрын

Ha brilliant!

@mikeb4998 6 жыл бұрын

His wife must be the happiest woman in the world

@WestNorf 6 жыл бұрын

it's a denture he has fake teeth

@cmdell4693 6 жыл бұрын

omg, my exact thoughts, his mouth does my head in, let's beat him

@ryanmansell7742 4 жыл бұрын

As a14 year old just signed before christmas I have worked my arse off and if I’d have been picked up 3 years ago I would be twice the player but would not have the hard working mentality

@TheMenaceNoob 6 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile carlos Bacca worked on a boat til he was 19, then made his way to first division Colombian league and on to Europe , I wonder if climbing up the way he did was easier , but then again he is a classic number 9 and is really good

@JohnMcGrory21 6 жыл бұрын

Money killed this “business”.

@mattlamb1566 5 жыл бұрын

It would help if people stopped calling it a business all the time

@antoniopetrache1 6 жыл бұрын

Can someone tell me how can i watch this documentary online

@Mugairyuiai 6 жыл бұрын

Antonio Petrache kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rdt7lap1z8veiGw.html

@MrThedonhead 3 жыл бұрын

Franks right it’s all down to the parents. They should be the ones getting educated.

@douwis125 6 жыл бұрын

Simply put... don't put all your eggs in one basket.

@jhardworkpaysoff474 6 жыл бұрын

I think youth players should go straight to non league after getting released

@SirOrganic 6 жыл бұрын

the irony of Sky and BT contributing to this with TV with a Multi-Billion dollar Tv rights deal.

@johnnybgood1169 2 жыл бұрын

Amateur sport/athletics and PROFESSIONAL sport/athletics are two very different things. Participation in the first is a qualitative, personal development exercise (i.e. building qualities that can make someone a better citizen and more resilient human being), whereas participation in the second is almost entirely about outcomes within the "grind 'em up and spit 'em out" entertainment business.

@matts9250 3 жыл бұрын

Just pathetic, my boy adores football but i will support my son forever because hes my little star. There is no pressure x

@danielmosias6280 5 жыл бұрын

Take a look at the amount of british players that play for the top 4 clubs in the league and it's crystal clear that something is drastically wrong with the system.

@VooDooMaGicMan81 4 жыл бұрын

That comment hadn't aged well.. Utd and Chelsea are currently playing more English youth than 16 premier league clubs.

@gargarbink6 6 жыл бұрын

Love me some Lamps

@THETROLLINGTRAIN1 6 жыл бұрын

I was 1000th viewer

@nimascolari1508 5 жыл бұрын

Use the American system of colleges and universities for the supply of players to clubs. Where academia is principal, alternative sports are encouraged and clubs draft youths. Not use and abuse them and chew them up and spit them out. This way the responsibility lies with the universities. They draft at 15/16. Not 3/4.

@ASWAVisuals14 6 жыл бұрын

The current state of the premier league is ruining the men's national team. The youngsters aren't getting enough chances. Some of them need to move abroad like sancho.

@SI-cd7xs 6 жыл бұрын

sancho just had an amazing game vs bremen. i was there.

@monoculars 6 жыл бұрын

Someone get Mike a drink of water

@davidcampbell7055 3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@halldorherm 6 жыл бұрын

Who is Frank Lampards nephew?

@jzilla1234 6 жыл бұрын

Low bar for brilliant these days

@chriswhamilton 6 жыл бұрын

jzilla1234 well in comparison to your normal football conversations on tv, this is pulitzer prize winning stuff.

@highsguffb7736 6 жыл бұрын

Englands problem is not if they have talent or not they do have the talent my dad has. Been saying this for years tactically they are awful and for some reason they don't know what to do with the ball no one is doubting there actual ability because they have it take for example sterling and Ribery both are as good as each other ability wise but one knows what to do in different situations with out being told what to do look at sterling he's playing amazing because pep is telling him practically what to do in most situations and he's pulling it off we're as the like of ribery doesn't need to be told what to do this has been going on for years with England hence why they have no success at international level but for clubs they are very good

@Insertnamehere287 6 жыл бұрын

Highs Guffb where was Ribery when he was 21 ? People forget how young sterling is man.

@pazthepole2814 6 жыл бұрын

Hate the new KZfaq. Who the hell is Robert

@Insertnamehere287 6 жыл бұрын

russian hitman god damn autocorrect.

@darrencarter6350 6 жыл бұрын

So Ribery has never been coached then? He's played under some very esteemed coaches and didn't learn anything because he knew everything already? Wow...just wow.

@marianjunior23 6 жыл бұрын

I thing what he was trying to say is that the elite foreign players have been coached well enough to develop a permanent tactical intelligence compared to the English players who haven't had that level of coaching and don't react to particular situations with natural logic as well as the foreign players. This is the way I understand it because both Ribery and Sterling are human and definetly their football hisory will have an influence on their game.

@cmdell4693 6 жыл бұрын

MIKE Calvin's mouth makes too many squishy noises for my liking

@wassupjg 6 жыл бұрын

is chris sutton repeating the same points as an argument?

@cammro 5 жыл бұрын

45k a week at 17, if they take 80% of that out of the first contract, through a cap or whatever. and put it around quality of life for the rest

@aphiwembande8661 3 жыл бұрын

Lampard gave 8 debuts to Chelsea youth players... The year is 2020😏

@carn5haun343 3 жыл бұрын

Jimmy Saville has entered the conversation

@kevinlynch9438 6 жыл бұрын

Keiren Tearnny was signed for Celtic at 7'!,, ok he's the exception to the rule , plus he's the best Scottish player in 25-30 years 🇮🇪🇮🇪☘🇮🇪🇮🇪

@humzahhassan4521 5 жыл бұрын

Simple play local football get better join academy at 14 get your a levels. Unless at a premier league team go pro at 18 do academy 17 and 18 and do a levels and after your career go to uni. If at a prem club can go pro at 16. School should come first sports second

@BL4CK0UT17 4 жыл бұрын

People get scouted too young. Even 15-20 years ago it was the same. Some boys weren’t even that good at say 10, but at 15 were quality! Scouts need to look a bit older.

@robertwallace8611 4 жыл бұрын

They should do what the American schools do......got to get a certain grade of education before they can play football.....then they have something else to fall back on if they do fail

@CharlieXFBA 6 жыл бұрын

I rather players get paid than get ripped off

@jameswhitehorn6432 6 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with Frank

@muahmed26 6 жыл бұрын

Frank talks so much sense

@omarsiddiqi5262 6 жыл бұрын

there is no problem, the team just has to give them a chance

@brunocandeiras4964 2 жыл бұрын

Entendi

@tomigoi 3 жыл бұрын

Michael Calvin got picked up way too much mouth noise it's distracting.

@arsenalrocka16 3 жыл бұрын

if the premier league wasn't so dominated by money then it might help with this issue. every club in the pyramid is fighting to survive instead of developing a healthy environment for players and fans. football should be for the people not the billionaires.

@vikdaddy 6 жыл бұрын

Lamps showing his true blue Tory colours here

@janderson2709 6 жыл бұрын

Vikas Sandhu pardon?

@radfordpilgrim4393 6 жыл бұрын

@vikdaddy 6 жыл бұрын

It's known he's a Tory

@janderson2709 6 жыл бұрын

Vikas Sandhu what's that got to do with this?

@peacenikfruit5761 6 жыл бұрын

The bit where he downplays the need for a support system for ex footballers

@TheTeFaj 6 жыл бұрын

Lampard always speak sense

@shaquille5413 6 жыл бұрын

First world problems.

@Colin-ut6cm 6 жыл бұрын

shahrukh malik it's still a problem though

@KelechiApakama 6 жыл бұрын

So the first world aren't allowed to complain about anything? Right.

@abdirisakawes6544 6 жыл бұрын

🔴

@Noname8929 6 жыл бұрын

Wiggle wiggle

@millwalldarren2792 Жыл бұрын

A 1980s podcast in 2020

@kenyanyoutubetrends385 6 жыл бұрын

this the grandpa from "that show" remind me the name

@d1want34 6 жыл бұрын

as Wall Street has shown us, this massive transfer fees bubble won't last, and one day (not too long from now), it will burst. just like how the italian league fell

@Tomanna 6 жыл бұрын

Please elaborate as I'm not too educated on this topic

@united016 6 жыл бұрын

Ridhuan Abu Bakar it should have when Leicester won the league...but it didn't, which shows that it's not just inflation. There is just more money in the game. Because of the new tv deals

@d1want34 6 жыл бұрын

united016 yes true. But it wont keep going up until it reaches 1 billion pound for 1 player. It will crumble

@pazthepole2814 6 жыл бұрын

Ridhuan Abu Bakar y not 50 yrs ago U would’ve been put into a Psychiatric Hospital for saying there would b a 50 million pound transfer Let alone the 200 odd payed for Neymar Football is and will always b the biggest Sport In the world If anything is even Harder to break the top 6 in the Prem Will b The top 6 for another 50-100 yrs

@united016 6 жыл бұрын

Ridhuan Abu Bakar How much a club spends on players as a percentage of their total budget hasn't changed. Clubs are simply making more money. The people in charge of these clubs are smart, they do not bankrupt their clubs buying players.

@nickm8874 6 жыл бұрын

I’m sure he has valid points but I can’t concentrate above the sloppy noises coming out of his mouth. It’s horrid

@zafirulrahi1124 5 жыл бұрын

babys nowadays only playes with Tab . mobile

@MrWhitmen1981 6 жыл бұрын

Never got the chance to play cause my parents were pricks.

@prophetascending9021 6 жыл бұрын

I wish that journalist would drink something.

@gradyseasons8800 6 жыл бұрын

Who stole his lips?

@danielthompson803 5 жыл бұрын

Chris Sutton was a disgrace refusing to play for England A side because he believed it was below him. He didn't care enough for his country to fight for a place in the first team.

@patrickstennett6413 6 жыл бұрын

5th

@oldtimer5111 6 жыл бұрын

Just like Arsenal!

@brownwarrior6867 5 жыл бұрын

Football is morally corrupt.

@kaustavborgohain5161 3 жыл бұрын

8-2

@jamesalexander4926 6 жыл бұрын

Chris Sutton is a bellend WATP

@OS-19 6 жыл бұрын

Why is Sutton employed?? He’s biased and clueless

@Tomanna 6 жыл бұрын

He's terrible

@jansuchoparek286 6 жыл бұрын

He interrupts to talk on a tangent!

@shaungavin2548 6 жыл бұрын

Stooter 180 hun ?

@jorgcooper2367 6 жыл бұрын

I'm a hun and I like him. He's spot on nearly all the time.

@grantnicol7804 6 жыл бұрын

Sutton adds absolutely nothing to this debate. Useless

@mattlamb1566 5 жыл бұрын

No - he made some valid points. I particularly agree with his point that as a young person, he was more allowed to find his own way into football, (trying out different sports, allowed to play football outside of the club, etc.