Common misconception among younger reactors, thinking technology of today was available 50 years ago.

I have one friend who was a skydiving instructor who died during a jump, and another, also an instructor who lost both of his legs during a jump. I’ve always wanted to go too, but knowing 2 people personally that had bad outcomes has deterred me.

Lake Erie like all the Great Lakes is cold so hypothermia is more of a factor than swimming.

When I went skydiving years ago, I did so just a month or two after two fatal skydiving accidents in the area. I figured the skydiving schools would be thoroughly checking out the gear. Dead customers are not repeat customers.

4 miles are swimmable, but you must take water temperature and water conditions into account. I did a long swim as a kid in Boy Scouts and the first thing I needed to learn was how to float in order to rest. Cold water drains your energy quickly.

Aircraft avionics technician here. Regarding transponders back then... they did exist, but what you have to realize is they were nowhere near as precise as today. They were strictly Mode A: ID code; and Mode C: encoded, broadcasted altitude, which can be +/- 120 feet from the altimeter, which has an allowable error that increases with altitude, an additional +/- 120 feet at 20,000 feet. And the civil air system radar is a 'secondary' radar. It's not an active radar that actually 'paints' an aircraft; but rather, sends out interrogation pulses that the transponder replies to. This is assuming they were using an assigned code, and not the general-purpose VFR code of 1200. If both aircraft were using 1200, then the mistake in identity was practically inevitable. (The controller should have requested an Ident, which would send a special pulse to verify which aircraft was hitting it and where they were.) Autopilots certainly existed back then as well, but were rate-based, air driven systems, tended to be a bit of the rougher side for maneuvering, and would not have been used on such a short hop or upward spiral (they were principally for long overland trips). These days, with the newer ADS-B system in place, aircraft transponders not only broadcast the above, but also their tail numbers. Plenty of aircraft these days have active traffic systems as well (TAS or TCAS) that can interface to the ADS-B transponder. Aircraft without RVSM systems (which are most general aviation aircraft) are not allowed above 18,000 feet. Modern air data systems are also far more precise, and depending on the system can be within 5' at that altitude. Add in WAAS GPS receivers, and navigation is much more precise as well, especially when paired with a digital autopilot. That said, plenty of smaller GA aircraft still use older air gauges and simply upgrade as needed to meet the ADS-B requirements; but such aircraft usually don't stray far from their home airfields.

Don't do it, Kabir. I used to be an adrenalin junkie. Now, I have a metal ankle that has a screw that tries to work its way out now and again. I also know someone who did a tandem jump on her 60th birthday. Something went wrong, and she broke both of her legs. I'm so far removed from the world of skydiving and even I know someone who had a bad outcome. It does look exciting, but when you're thousands of feet up and something goes wrong, you're likely toast and that would be a stupid way to go. If I die earlier than expected, I would hope it would be doing something honorable, not seeking a momentary thrill.

Suggestion : Try indoor skydiving [no parachute] first. Essentially, you get geared up and climb into a vertical wind tunnel. You get the experience of free fall with very little danger.

I have always wanted to go skydiving and still on my bucket list but whenever I watch videos like these…😬 🪂

Remember this was a long time ago, before GPS and all the new technology that is now available. Today both planes would have shown up on radar as well as their identifying codes

Lake Erie is one of five great lakes, I saw a fog bank roll off it like a ghost coming ashore. At Ft Bragg, paratroopers died, jacked up their knees, one guy broke his tail bone. I was a leg, and damn glad of it.

There's a lot of blame to go around. It's a general rule that you shouldn't skydive unless you can see your landing spot from the air. Remember, this was in 1967 when air traffic control systems were far less sophisticated, and GPS didn't exist yet.

This was per IFF transevers. So there was no way to tell which plane is which. Also back then you could only find crashed aircraft by sight.

This was in the 60's Kabir, didn't have any of that then

Nope. Never any reason to jump out of a perfectly functional aircraft.

Kabir you're putting modern practices to 1967 technology. They did not have the same protocols with squawk boxes we have today.

There are so many possibilities where things can go wrong just going to the grocery store. If it's your time, you can't do anything to change it. I was forever changed when I heard about the mid-air collision between an Aero Mexico Commuter Plane and a small private plane over a neighborhood in Cerritos, CA in 1986. It was early on a Sunday morning and most of the deaths occurred because debris landed on their houses as they slept in their beds. They didn't do anything at all and death found them just the same. One woman lost her husband and her three little boys on their way back from a fishing trip. They were minutes away from landing. Another woman was at the grocery store when it happened. Her husband, her daughter and son were at home. Only her son survived. Her home was demolished After that, I go and do as I see fit. I can't escape death, but he's gonna have to find me when it's my time. I went skydiving 20 years ago when I turned 40. I was afraid of heights and it definitely cured me. I am so glad I did it. The best part was the high that came after my tandem jump. The only way I can describe how I felt after the jump is, euphoric. I had a sense of euphoria,for about a whole year after that day in 2004. My grandkids ages 8 & 10 think I'm pretty cool for a grandma.

Kabir never heard of anyone swimming the English Channel. Really up on things.

The 1960s technology was very lacking. A great many things hadn’t been created yet. In the 40s my mom and her sister laid in front of the radio to listen to the music and the shows. In the 1950s we had black and white TV what a blast😂. We were so happy. The TVs were antenna in the living room my job was to stand to the side of the TV put one hand on the antenna and let the other arm reach out as far as it could and then I would watch the parents and the rest of the family and they would be going no no no no no no it’s move this way move that way higher higher go back go down go down don’t move. Don’t move you’ve got it. When we had the picture in the sound together, we cheered 😂. No color TV, no color cartoons. And the man who announced how far apart they were from which other had no clue and never should’ve guessed. Very tragic.😢

Towards the end of the video when they say, the guy on the boat looked directly at the guy in the water. There’s no way of knowing that that guy actually saw the guy in the water.

The code is a transponder code or squawk code that identifies aircraft, however that is only for IFR flights, all VFR flights use the same code.

It's definitely possible to swim 4 miles. You would also be able to take advantage of floating to rest. However, if the water was really turbulent and with waves like described in the video... that's another story. Edit: From the information given in the video, it does seem like the pilot was not much at fault. I think mainly the air traffic controller is at fault. As far as unique plane IDs... I believe they *do* have those, but I'm not sure they had them in '67.

I don't know if it's the same in the UK, but when my daughter did it her first time had to be a tandem jump. she was attached to the instructor. they wouldn't let me because of my knees, but she had a blast.

People swim the channel. Prolly pretty similar to Lake Erie. Depends on the temp.

FYI modern day skydiving is extremely safe. Most of the injuries or deaths are due to human error.

Air traffic control makes many mistakes that cost lives.

Military systems are one thing, but a majority of commercial airports in the US are still using archaic computer systems, easily a decade or two behind what you would use at home :(

Like they said, it was from the 60's . Things and tech are very different now.

Dude, this was 1967 technology.

Skydiving was a thing me and a homie planned on doing growing....were like F that lets lose our virginity in Tijuana

Pilots are required to have complete control of their aircraft no matter what happens.

Kabir, the identification equipment didn't exist in a state enough to help like you're talking about 5 or 6 decades ago.

$500 pounds is expensive. That's about $641 USD. I just checked and prices for a tandem jumps start at $190 up to $230, depending on the day here in Florida.

People swim the English Channel. At last count, it was more than 1,800 with an average time of approx 13 hours. Of course, they would have trained in advance.

Planes did not have the tech back then like today.

I think that if you sky dive and anything goes wrong, you'd wanna angle towards water. Just as airplanes do to increase your chances. Seems odd that sky drivers don't have a simple floatation system. Like my mom said, you can drown in a teaspoon of water

Kabir. You should react to some Vince Vintage. You've watched him once or twice. He's a great story telling channel...(I'm not sure if he's friendly to reactors tho) don't wanna get you a copy strike)

I had to return to give my final thoughts. If you're gonna do something innately idiotic, be a better survivor. Account for any landing situation, especially at that altitude. Sorta like, you know, you're descending, and you see a backyard party goin on..... you see an empty lawn chair next to a smoking babe, you adjust your dealy, you angle in, you land right next to her (smoove as seeulk), and realize you sat on a tack!

If you do it, do it just once.

Kabir, you should go sky diving. The worst that could happen is you die. 👍🏾

How are you gonna swim 4 miles in skydiving gear? Think.

Sorry Kabir, but the like button wont work and allow me to like your video as the same with others. I love your videos and i want you to get the credit.

can people swim 4 miles? you do realize people have swam the english channel ---- not bright