British Transport Films Collection | Volume 8 | Points & Aspects | 1974

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British Film Industry (BFI) | The British Transport Films Collection | Volume 8 | Points and Aspects | 1974

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@Pillowcase
@Pillowcase 10 жыл бұрын
every single aspect of this video blows my mind
@RAMezzone
@RAMezzone 4 жыл бұрын
My goodness such a lot of information both technical and sociological of the time. Takes me back.
@lekoman
@lekoman 4 жыл бұрын
Indeed, it makes so many good points! ;)
@GaryNumeroUno
@GaryNumeroUno 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha... 'aspects'... 'good points'! Very witty.
@FerroequinologistofColorado
@FerroequinologistofColorado 8 ай бұрын
This is one of my favorite old BR films.
@perrydear
@perrydear 4 жыл бұрын
this is fabulous...how they mapped out and planned it is amazing...thanks for putting up!
@mikemidulster
@mikemidulster 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent! It's heartening for an old analogue technician to see good reliable electromechanical and proper purpose designed circuitry at work.
@beardyface8492
@beardyface8492 3 жыл бұрын
Back when we still made our own stuff, instead of ordering it from overseas.
@abundantYOUniverse
@abundantYOUniverse 4 жыл бұрын
He tunes the reeds with a metal file! Oh the good ol days!
@edwardbyard6540
@edwardbyard6540 3 жыл бұрын
So much of the electronics, racks and cabinets in this film I recognise from GPO (and then BT) SystemX telephone exchanges, which was also converted in the 1970s from analogue to digital - many of which are still in service today. Small world....
@predatorfe
@predatorfe 8 жыл бұрын
They really went out of their way to design and build these systems back then, without the aid of Microprocessors and all the other Hardware, and most importantly the Software we have today. An Age where Mechanic, Electric, Electronic and Computing Sciences were starting to melt together! Very interesting indeed.
@markfrombriz
@markfrombriz Жыл бұрын
Designed by Engineers with slide rules and paper drawings, amazing
@RailwayManUK
@RailwayManUK 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading this... it's absolutely fascinating and quite amazing that the design and build was done with very little computer technology. I can't work out if the music should belong to a crime thriller or porn movie
@srduke
@srduke 4 жыл бұрын
The basics of route relay interlocking is similar to the architecture of a modern PC today. It could be said that this was the "daddy" of it all LOL
@incrediblesimilarity5858
@incrediblesimilarity5858 3 жыл бұрын
How much pornography do you watch to recognize different types of suitable music. 👍👍
@Mr223P
@Mr223P 3 жыл бұрын
As it’s library music there is a good chance it was used for both! :)
@CMD_Line
@CMD_Line Жыл бұрын
@@incrediblesimilarity5858 😂
@SteamTech_4468
@SteamTech_4468 4 жыл бұрын
Love videos like this showing how control and automation was done decades ago and how different it is today nowadays the whole system could be condensed into a few PLC's and one massive SCADA system how times change
@the_once-and-future_king.
@the_once-and-future_king. 2 жыл бұрын
What's with the Hammer Horror movie music? I half expected Christopher Lee to start chomping on the technicians! I know progress happens, but I miss the old signalboxes and semaphore gantries. Some of the magic was lost when they were demolished.
@TheChipmunk2008
@TheChipmunk2008 4 жыл бұрын
9:35 I think that mains connection would fail a PAT test... :) And no wonder dad was so proud to show me carlisle as a child (circa 1979... he was a BR electrician)
@09weenic
@09weenic 4 жыл бұрын
No it wouldn’t- a PAT test is only for portable electrical appliances
@brushhead
@brushhead 7 ай бұрын
Bloody hell that cable laying job looked cold!
@dodgydruid
@dodgydruid 4 жыл бұрын
Cool to see a Kensington Olympia Motorail running through there at the end, KO ones had open cars where the Euston ones had posh enclosed carriages. Fond memories of the many loco changes on the journey which I seem to remember was London to Crewe, then engine switch, onwards and upwards on electric as far as the overheads allowed then a 47 rest of the journey with Sc region waiting at Carlisle to take up to Carstairs and the motorail split at Carstairs with some coming off for Glasgow, the rest wending its way to Edinburgh then the highlands of Fort William and Inverness with Perth and Stirling engine changes and flats shunted off to the waiting motorail bay. The night my fathers friend was killed at Kensington heralded an absolute nightmare holiday as it turned out my poor father was the ranking railwayman on site so we had to travel to Inverness without me dad who turned up two days later and found BR had unloaded his car at Stirling so had to wait a day whilst he went down and retrieved it. To be fair to BR they did move us 1st class sleeper from Euston and put us all in the railway hotel in Inverness but many rows were had that holiday...
@WhyAyeMann
@WhyAyeMann 4 жыл бұрын
This is a very well put together film, I especially love the music.
@FerroequinologistofColorado
@FerroequinologistofColorado 2 жыл бұрын
I also love the music especially the bit that begins at 22:00
@orangutanlibrarian
@orangutanlibrarian 10 жыл бұрын
I'm amazed at 8:00, angling huge bobbins to get the sector shaped cables to line up.
@FerroequinologistofColorado
@FerroequinologistofColorado 8 ай бұрын
That’s always mind blowing to me as well
@SuperActionForceGo
@SuperActionForceGo 3 жыл бұрын
Love it........ also feels like I am watching an episode of the sweeney.
@plezurhounds
@plezurhounds 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!!
@mekydro
@mekydro 3 жыл бұрын
Loved the Hymek music at 0:27!
@neilfurby555
@neilfurby555 5 жыл бұрын
Addictive stuff !......excellent!
@JamesPetts
@JamesPetts 10 жыл бұрын
It is fascinating to see just how different that these things had to be before modern computing - the massive relay room filled with individual wires, each one manually laid! And reed switches...
@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819
@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819 6 жыл бұрын
James Petts the relay rooms are basically the as the micro-chips.
@390052Knight
@390052Knight 4 жыл бұрын
At 26:00 the 50 is moving a full consist without the headlamp (switched on)! You wouldn't get away with that today! Had to edit my comment - it was so dark I couldn't make out the shape properly first time!
@iainstenhouse8399
@iainstenhouse8399 2 жыл бұрын
Might not have been fitted with one at that point, would have to check when high intensity headlamps became a thing.
@dodgydruid
@dodgydruid 4 жыл бұрын
My late father ended his career with BR at London Bridge on the infamous "platforms 1-6" panel. His heart went out with BR when being offered the signalling managers job at Edinburgh Waverley the unions refused to endorse his post claiming demarcation etc so the position offer was withdrawn and my father was fairly fed up with the railways and took early retirement. He returned to lever signalling at Swanage where he was happier doing the thing he loved. I went past Glasgow and Motherwell signalling centres a couple weeks back, was saddened to see the old signalboxes around Carlisle gone and the marshalling yard boxes all boarded up as the plan is to now adopt the American system of centralised signalling from Euston house I seem to remember.
@grahamhawthorn7177
@grahamhawthorn7177 4 жыл бұрын
Love the old CAD, pencil and ruler.
@rexremedy1733
@rexremedy1733 6 жыл бұрын
beautiful!
@andyblackpool
@andyblackpool 5 жыл бұрын
Makes you wonder however they managed it, where ever they started it all off and how did it all to fit in and link up together too! Very complex work indeed
@billyb4223
@billyb4223 4 жыл бұрын
Engineers will do any amount of work if it means doing as little work as possible in the future!
@Pillowcase
@Pillowcase 10 жыл бұрын
Awesome hand tattoos 15:43
@ericwilliams2122
@ericwilliams2122 6 жыл бұрын
where?
@mozdickson
@mozdickson 4 жыл бұрын
@@ericwilliams2122 15:43 mate!
@Road38910
@Road38910 4 жыл бұрын
I was in the RAF at Lossiemouth at this time and used to travel from Inverness to Carlisle along this line at about the time this film was made and I never knew what went on. I only know there was usually a long delay at Carstairs, normally worse at night time.
@leewilson2140
@leewilson2140 5 жыл бұрын
My uncle was a cable layer back in the 70s.I used to run around my nan's garden wearing his hi-viz vest!!
@xr6lad
@xr6lad 5 ай бұрын
As long as it wasn’t his underwear.
@RobertdMacGregor
@RobertdMacGregor 3 жыл бұрын
Listening to the soundtrack reminds me of Captain Scarlet! I was expecting the green Mysteron rings to appear at any moment!
@ichabodon
@ichabodon 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing. I wonder how much of it is still in use. Someone may tell us.
@AndreiTupolev
@AndreiTupolev 3 жыл бұрын
Whoever knew the manufacture of cables was so fascinating
@georgeferrocarril4894
@georgeferrocarril4894 10 жыл бұрын
Really fascinating movie on building signal equipment and layout.
@AndreiTupolev
@AndreiTupolev 3 жыл бұрын
Sound effects library couldn't find Class 20 sound effects for 20:30 and settled for a tractor (not a Class 37) idling?
@Gannett2011
@Gannett2011 9 жыл бұрын
Great film. Always preferred these more technical BTF productions compared to those poetic travelogues of Wales and Scotland. I really must buy more of the excellent DVDs. And I'd love to know which music library the music at 27:26 is from, groovy!
@Gannett2011
@Gannett2011 7 жыл бұрын
The music is 'Race of Champions' by Steve Gray from KPM 1120 Daybreak (1973)
@ericwilliams2122
@ericwilliams2122 6 жыл бұрын
lovely wow & flutter too!
@nickhubbard3671
@nickhubbard3671 4 жыл бұрын
Ah yes "Arklone P" 3:10 Happy memories.
@MSP_TechLab
@MSP_TechLab 4 жыл бұрын
Train number display with catode tube. I suppose It was very expensive back then. I'm wondering if it was installed on each station or only for some central traffic management.
@fatwalletboy2
@fatwalletboy2 4 жыл бұрын
The chase car is doing well to keep up with the train at the end.....
@darkerjim
@darkerjim 10 жыл бұрын
Where would you get any of the music like the stuff on this video?
@zawzero
@zawzero 10 жыл бұрын
Try Laurie Spiegel, Delia Derbyshire, Tangerine Dream
@ephphatha230
@ephphatha230 2 жыл бұрын
18:20 that looks nice and easy to understand 🥺
@37adrianporter
@37adrianporter 4 жыл бұрын
Worked for the ( lazy W ) Westinghouse at Chippenham on train describes and mass transit.
@KommaAchtKommaEins
@KommaAchtKommaEins 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is the craziest wiring porn I have ever come across. Being a computer scientist since the nineties makes me feel lazy and stupid using IT nowadays.
@diabolicalartificer
@diabolicalartificer 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing, beautiful electro mechanical workmanship, all custom built, which all probably ended up in a skip 10 years or less later. thanks for posting.....DA.
@AndreiTupolev
@AndreiTupolev 3 жыл бұрын
Actually most of it's still in use, except for Motherwell PSB, but Carlisle and Preston are still in use with the original equipment
@andrewjames3908
@andrewjames3908 3 жыл бұрын
@@AndreiTupolev yes and Motherwell lasted until 2019
@towersje
@towersje Жыл бұрын
As far as I’m aware whilst Motherwell panels are away they’re still running the GEC Geographical Interlocking! Happy to be corrected but it was really made to last that stuff!
@FalcoTheImpaler
@FalcoTheImpaler 10 жыл бұрын
all... those... wires... Spaghetti!
@rearspeaker6364
@rearspeaker6364 5 жыл бұрын
and now we can put it into a can-bus line, needing only 2 wires!!!
@Merseysiderful
@Merseysiderful 5 жыл бұрын
Very interesting documentary. Is this system still in use or upgraded to digital ?
@bigal5791
@bigal5791 5 жыл бұрын
Glasgow and Motherwell have all but moved to a state of the art signalling centre in Springburn. Only panel 6 at msc remains which is Gretna to Carstairs and this will move dec 2019
@neilbain8736
@neilbain8736 3 жыл бұрын
On the cusp of digital, the manufacture of the components seems pretty labour intensive.
@martinpattison4018
@martinpattison4018 4 жыл бұрын
How did they do all of this in the 1970s is beyond me and what an army of people that were involved in making all of this on time? Martin. (Thailand)
@ericwilliams2122
@ericwilliams2122 6 жыл бұрын
i was 16 or 17 when this was made, i feel old..............i AM old!!!
@saltspringrailway3683
@saltspringrailway3683 4 жыл бұрын
So was I. Haven't the yrs flown by?
@jennylast3149
@jennylast3149 3 жыл бұрын
Way over my head but still very interesting.
@plhebel1
@plhebel1 4 жыл бұрын
I'm about half way thru this video,, I would just like to comment that back when this was all thought up, built and installed with attention to detail, strong hardy solid state electronic, boards, relays, et all,, I'm sure it had a long life window and cost a huge bundle. I keep asking myself if it's still being used or if smaller and smaller computers have been retrofitted to replace the old tech? I hope not, I understand new systems are faster and can be expanded upon with a minimum of trouble but this old stuff should hold up,,, I won't be holding my breath tho , ha ha.
@CMD_Line
@CMD_Line Жыл бұрын
20:42 goodbye old friend 😢
@lordpitnolen2196
@lordpitnolen2196 4 жыл бұрын
. . . and all we have to do is buy a train ticket. Great video, very Britsh.
@hythekent
@hythekent 3 жыл бұрын
“Skilfully carried out by machines”. ??
@floor993
@floor993 3 жыл бұрын
Good heavens this is complicated stuff, All this is no doubt gone or replaced?
@simaesthesia
@simaesthesia 4 жыл бұрын
The tune at the end is ace! Anybody know what it is?
@neilfurby555
@neilfurby555 3 жыл бұрын
Click the more button next to the title, full music details are there....
@RailwayManUK
@RailwayManUK 3 жыл бұрын
Since I commented on this post I went to work for Network Rail and I'm in a signal box with 4 NX panels like those in the film. By 2023 it will be closed and all the signalling controlled via computer screens from a location in Hampshire. Technology marches on.
@RanHam
@RanHam 10 жыл бұрын
I wonder how long this system was in use.
@dasy2k1
@dasy2k1 9 жыл бұрын
It still is in use! starting to replace these route relay systems now with computer based systems but there still is an awful lot of relay stuff out there!
@bigal5791
@bigal5791 5 жыл бұрын
Motherwell closes for good Dec 2019 when the final panel moves to the WSSC 😩😩
@appliance004
@appliance004 11 жыл бұрын
11:21 tune, nip
@appliance004
@appliance004 11 жыл бұрын
Oooh..dark tunes.
@stevbrkr
@stevbrkr 4 жыл бұрын
A number of my Colleagues are in this. I am ex Westinghouse Brake and Signal Company. I started in 1978. Mike Donald ex WB&S Co and Ian Worthington ex British Railways LMR and WBSA are in this.
@stumpypetros2685
@stumpypetros2685 4 жыл бұрын
The good ol days when stuff was repeated redesigned everytine it was installed allowing someone to come up with better ideas. Nowdays, Some programmer who has never seen a train comes in on a limited, and insufficient contract and makes changes that affect the whole network. In Sydney, AUS, some bright spark has programmed General otehr, or Trackwork announcements, to simultaneously talk over the station stopping pattern announcements, instead of wait until one has finished.. They haven't fixed it for years.
@tomwebb3081
@tomwebb3081 4 жыл бұрын
The 'overtalking' problem happens pretty much everywhere I've ever seen a PA system. It's *SO* annoying yet no-one can be bothered to come up with a fix. It's particularly bad in airports in the US.
@stumpypetros2685
@stumpypetros2685 4 жыл бұрын
It's bad Contract Procedures design process. They City Rail probably Contract one system (Train Destinations), and then Contract thru someone else to do ( Trackwork Announcements). Both separated by the Contract so it never get integrated properly.. In the old days, they'd have internal programmers / i.t. staff to produce all that. Not too far back either.. early 2000's. Now they outsource, do not specify what they want properly because a non-techo, non design Manager does the Contract.
@stumpypetros2685
@stumpypetros2685 4 жыл бұрын
Sydney imported a lot from the U.K. A lot of Sydney Trans Staff are Brits, so the ongoing design is effectively taking a bit from this country - mostly U.K. - and a bit from the Swiss etc.
@AndreiTupolev
@AndreiTupolev 3 жыл бұрын
Crikey! Paging Health & Safety inspector 20:43!
@chriswaring5565
@chriswaring5565 6 ай бұрын
11:47 THAT GUY LOOKS LIKE HARRY HILL WITH HAIR, RESEARCHER TED EGGS FRIED? HARD BOILED? SOFT BOILED? POACHED?
@geraldberliner5260
@geraldberliner5260 5 жыл бұрын
My brain hurts
@brianfearn4246
@brianfearn4246 4 жыл бұрын
BICC Cables.. prescot and melling .
@ianjones4116
@ianjones4116 2 жыл бұрын
Love these vids. My wife is making High end Hifi systems, still with these same methods. Women arent just for washing, cooking, and making babies. Apparently lol. Dont tell her I said that 😂 Another great vid, please keep them coming. Thanks again. 😎👍
@shopdog831
@shopdog831 4 жыл бұрын
The creation of this system is awsome but the destruction of the system which came before it was criminally wasteful. Some of it should have been left standing if only as a testiment to the fantastic engineers who spent there lives developing it.
@mauricedevitt2553
@mauricedevitt2553 3 жыл бұрын
High-tech back then, obsolete now. Much more interesting though.
@DeKat-84
@DeKat-84 4 жыл бұрын
I saw hand tattoos at 15:50. so theses arent new :-D
@mozdickson
@mozdickson 4 жыл бұрын
Um, no! But to be fair, back then they were not a desirable fashion accessory. My guess would be that including that edit was somewhat risque. In those times we saw hand tats on: bikers, ex-cons, gypsies, a few assorted gangs - skinheads in particular and seamen. The crude tats all the way up my left arm, from hand to shoulder, were inspired by my exposure to bikie culture. I made them with a sewing needle bound to a matchstick using cotton, and Indian Ink in 1973. I was 13.
@markgoddard2560
@markgoddard2560 3 жыл бұрын
I had forgotten quite how awful 1970s background music could be. Thanks for the reminder!
@stephensheehan1666
@stephensheehan1666 3 жыл бұрын
Modern S&T equals the 'Dark Arts', god knows what it's like now (probably darker).
@PositionLight
@PositionLight 9 жыл бұрын
Still not sure why the British went with such pricy centralized interlocking schemes instead of more flexible CTC systems. Not only is CTC cheaper, it allows for bi-directional operation as well.
@ats90mph
@ats90mph 8 жыл бұрын
This IS what we in the United States would call CTC. The Brits like to do things on smaller scale, which is why they have a localized "signal box" controlling a much smaller area than a 100+ mile CTC'd Subdivision in the U.S. But the relay logic and comm systems are exactly like the CTC boards of old in the U.S.
@PositionLight
@PositionLight 8 жыл бұрын
But there's no traffic control. The TC part of CTC.
@Eaton9Speed
@Eaton9Speed 8 жыл бұрын
+Ross Church Maybe because it is on a smaller scale
@PositionLight
@PositionLight 8 жыл бұрын
+Ross Church Some people people might call it that, but when you look in a western rulebook and the method of operation is CTC, that means the direction of the track can be set one way or the other. A majority of the ail lines in the UK, even to this day, operate under ABS rules.
@ats90mph
@ats90mph 8 жыл бұрын
+Jersey Mike's Rail Videos Agreed, the Brits love their "Up and Down" mains (single direction)...
@MultiHoggar
@MultiHoggar 4 жыл бұрын
wow god jobb done by men & wemen
@patrickdunning9820
@patrickdunning9820 2 жыл бұрын
Just pull those old semiphore signals down, don't save em. Mind you, I went to Collectors Corner (BR surplus) in the late seventies...but that's another story!!
@AlanReynoldsBucklandJunction
@AlanReynoldsBucklandJunction 6 ай бұрын
LOOK British Railways then when it worked before £££££ Privatisation. How have we gone so sodding WRONG ?????
@xr6lad
@xr6lad 5 ай бұрын
Notice they play down the jobs losses. It’s just the ‘closure of hundreds of boxes’ - a total un emotive term.
@incrediblesimilarity5858
@incrediblesimilarity5858 3 жыл бұрын
This was filmed and produced in 1974. No wonder all the technology and details look just so damn dated. I hope they replaced all this stuff since 1974. 😫😫
@straightpipediesel
@straightpipediesel 3 жыл бұрын
Parts of the UK didn't even get this, and are still on the lever frame system at 0:50 today. They just released a report today about a signaler failing to verify the levers, causing a train to derail at Bognor Regis, a station that moves 1 million passengers per year.
@AndreiTupolev
@AndreiTupolev 3 жыл бұрын
Nope, good robust technology, much of it still in use
@TomStorey96
@TomStorey96 2 жыл бұрын
Saw some semaphore signals still in use at Deal station on the south coast the other day. Have also seen them up in Holyhead area. It all fits very much in the "ain't broke, don't fix it" category. Very complex and pricey to swap out, and only necessary to do so if there is cause for it.
@clonSanG
@clonSanG 4 жыл бұрын
The women soldering with theses fumes wouldn’t be a loud now
@user-zt1er1uj6i
@user-zt1er1uj6i 4 жыл бұрын
You're correct workers aren't allowed to do fuck all without box ticking, harness, goggles,ear protection, gloves,and a team of jobs worth pricks. 😁
@ianburnett7333
@ianburnett7333 Жыл бұрын
Track Ciruits are not something that terrorist should know about.
@MrPete1x
@MrPete1x 5 жыл бұрын
Take a softly spoken guy and play lousy music over him.
@mickeydodds1
@mickeydodds1 4 жыл бұрын
Is it just me, or has England got massively *worse* in every possible way compared to 1974?
@djcb4190
@djcb4190 2 жыл бұрын
As far as I know, I DON'T CARE
@PositionLight
@PositionLight 9 жыл бұрын
Still not sure why the British went with such pricy centralized interlocking schemes instead of more flexible CTC systems. Not only is CTC cheaper, it allows for bi-directional operation as well.
@szymongorczynski7621
@szymongorczynski7621 7 жыл бұрын
Jersey Mike's Rail Videos CTC?
@PositionLight
@PositionLight 7 жыл бұрын
Centralized Traffic Control. Emphasis on the "Traffic Control".
@OlanKenny
@OlanKenny 7 жыл бұрын
Tell us how great your American railroads are. In the UK I could get from the furthest point in the North East to the furthest point in the South West all (pretty much) by train. Can you do that in America?
@jimthorne304
@jimthorne304 2 жыл бұрын
Could the answer be that we have more, faster trains running more frequently?
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