Alaistair and Owen have a wary-yet-weirdly-affectionate interpersonal dynamic going like they're an adult son and his non-custodial dad awkwardly trying to re-connect in some sort of comedy-drama film.

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For those complaining about Campbell's aggressive style, please remeber, Campbell was/is an old school journalist. A proper gumshoe who learnt his craft in the days before copy and paste Twitter feeds or Facebook posts. Back in the day, this is what journalism was like and what people expected. Jones just got a one on one masterclass in proper journalism that holds interviewees to account.

Lovely little time capsule of an interview...would love to see these two gentlemen sit down and have the same chat, now five years on.

I'm not fan of Owen Jones, but he really does need to learn to be a bit tougher in interviews to intellectually stand up for himself if he wants to have any real influence. I lost count of the number of times he started to make a point and about 10 seconds in Campbell throws something different at him and his train of thought goes with the distraction point instead of sticking to the point the originally tried to make. Alastair Campbell is one of the most cunning masters of the media artform we've seen in modern times, so one really has to be a lot more combative on the little ground he concedes you when being interviewed by him (as frustrating or inconvenient as that is).

You're 32?! I thought you were 22 tops. Keep up that skin care regimen.

Owen uses 1000 words when 10 would do, Campbell ran rings around him, and he got proved right...

There’s being naive & there’s being Owen Jones - everything that Campbell said came true!

this is brilliant, great seeing an exchange in this way between very different lefties without it descending into name calling etc.

This is like a dad trying to explain the real world to his son that just got back from uni.

It's just so nice to see two men really listening to each other, you know?

Kudos to both for taking part in this. A real conversation between two people on the left - I thought those days were over.....

Alastair Campbell is quite right - Owen is scared to say what he really thinks.

Alastair Campbell, no matter what you think of him, is still to this day an incredible spin doctor. That is evidenced by this discussion.

Owen ‘we live in country where’ Jones

Owen Jones looks terrified in this interview and he can't seem to express his opinions without a hell of a lot of waffling. Whatever you think of Alastair Campbell he is articulate and concise. While he does have a bad habit of interrupting, I think one part of that is frustration at Owen Jones' inarticulateness. The end result is that the dialogue struggles to get going. This is a shame as I would like to see what these two really have to say to each other.

why does it feel like a teacher having a sit down with his student

If it weren’t for the baggage that comes with his name, there isn’t one political movement who wouldn’t want Alastair Campbell to run a campaign for them. Even as an interviewer he’s driving home his own message more convincingly than the interviewee!

Excellent conversation. They engage without antagonism and test each other with a large measure of mutual respect.

Owen Jones made Alastair Campbell look likeable. A truly astonishing feat.

Absolutely awesome to watch. Well done both of you, and thanks!

No Fan of Campbell but interesting discussion, we need more intelligent debate in politics, whether you agree with them or not.

I can't help but like Campbell. Is it just me?? :(

“I hate to talk about myself”. Proceeds to talk about himself for an hour.

This chap sums up Labour. College politics.Abdication from the working man.This is Momentum for you..

Campbell is right, Labour knocking the Labour party has made a huge difference. The media consistently do that together with the Tories and unless there is a voice out there somewhere to tell people this isn't so, in time the vast majority just start to believe it and this allows a new "truth" to be written.

Their methods of debate are so different. Campbell is incredibly terse and Jones is really thorough. It almost sounds more like an interrogation than a discussion.

Alastair Campbell asks clear, if slightly abrupt, questions, and Owen Jones rambles on about stuff. Owen constantly makes assumptions about Alastair Campbell's politics and positions, without being able to define them in any way when asked directly. Either he has a clear agenda to avoid answering the questions directly, or he just isn't very good at clear, logical thinking. Campbell may have a shady past, but this interview shows that he can think clearly and understands how to get to the core of an issue concisely. People here are accusing Campbell of interrupting him and not allowing him to reply, but in reality, Campbell is reactive and makes assertions to promote the conversation, and Owen often interprets this as a personal slight with an agenda, bristles and loses his train of thought. This interview has improved my view of Campbell and, unfortunately, made Owen Jones appear to be less of a political thinker than I had previously thought.

Part 3 badly needed.

This interview is really interesting, two branches of the left in a civil conversation, but also incredibly frustrating because I think Campbell and Jones’ style of conversation clashes horribly. Campbell is very aggressive, he likes to be prompt and to-the-point, whereas Jones is a lot more relaxed. As a result I think Campbell feels like Jones is waffling, and Jones feels like Campbell isn’t letting him speak.

It would be interesting to see them meet again now after the 2017 election.

'You've come into this interview with a view of what I believe'.... goes on to tell Campbell what he believes.

Ball possession: Campbell - 2,5 sec.; Jones - 48 hrs.

The kid gets frustrated quickly. I think that's a mark of the generation, whenever you get challenged you get frustrated and start saying things like "you don't let me finish when he is obviously talking way more than the other party. These people would have been ants 30 years ago, nobody would have taken them seriously. The wonders of modern social media.

Love this interview, Campbell doesn’t allow Owen to do his usual trick of talking around the subject rather than just answering the question. I actually like Owen Jones too but his inability to answer direct questions is so frustrating!

It's a bit like that scene in Jurassic World where they drop the goat in the T-Rex pen.

GQ - as with the Tony Blair interview, the audio here is terrible. Please sort it out so we can hear these interesting conversations properly.

I've recently read "Start With Why" and "The Infinite Game" and they prefectly highlight how Owen Jones has no idea what makes a successful movement. Already 5 mins in and he has violated the rules of what makes a just cause

Like a father schooling a son whose just finished his first year at uni.

Alastair did an excellent job with this interview. The points that he makes with Owen are great. Owen just needs to listen.

ALASTAIR CAMPBELL I DARE YOU TO CONDUCT A SIMILAR INTERVIEW WITH SEAMUS MILNE.

What a naive baby Owen Jones is. And what sort of "intellectual" doesn't answer questions because he's scared of upsetting his fans?

how many times can you say "this is the problem" before it becomes meaningless?

Alastair Campbell is legend

Jones looks like an naive school kid.

As a Centrist Liberal, not a Labour voter, Alastair is far more terrifying when it comes to a race for power.

28 minutes in Campbell even asks jones if hes thought about growing up hilarious

Half His collar hanging out😂🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂

Owen Jones is the first man ever to make Alistair Campbell seem likeable

28:27 Owen finally says what we've all been thinking

the thing with people like Owen Jones throwing Iraq war at Alastair is, if you have fundamental problem with him on this, do no engage with him on principle. Do not sit with him and talk about different topics, and when you are losing, throw Iraq at him as a cop out. If he is a war criminal in your eyes, it should be a huge deal. Not a footnote to be used as a debate point.

You can never be too loud, gents. Turn up the volume!

Fascinating to see them touch on the rise of Populism and totally misunderstand why it has happened. In their eyes, they are never to blame.

Campbell instantly shows that he is far more intelligent and realistic than owen. The massive lack of preparation, perception and knowledge going into the interview is farcically. The fact that Campbell is actually trying to help owen with how he is acting and owen rejecting it, is somewhat amusinng.

This is great! Love it. I'd like them to do this again.

Owen never comes across very well when he talks to grown ups

it didn't take long for this exchange to age terribly did it

This period of reflection ain't going well. Jones is such a lightweight

Alastair Campbell is level above Owen Jones. It all sounds like fluff from Jones, it seems like a gimmick and he hasn't thoroughly self-examined himself.

Campbell is NOT LETTING OWEN SPEAK!!!!!!!!!

I really tried to enjoy this but Owen Jones is so dull. He just loves to drone on and loves the sound of his own voice and it’s so boring.

The problem is Owen believes in the concept of left and right. It doesn't exist to the general public in 2017. He is the traditional middle class warbler who is focused on ideology and not the realities of everyday life that affect "working class" people. Even that concept doesn't exist anymore. Campbell knows how things works and how to play the game and most importantly how to win. The very least he knows how to present a coherent punchy agenda which people can either agree with or not.

I’m no Campbell fan but Labour need people like him regardless of whether you agree with him or not. He goes straight to the point - or for the jugular as some might say, (might be why he was so obviously useful in his day). The way I see it is this; Campbell and his ilk are not the problem, but rather the fact that the Labour ‘great and good’ have absolutely no answer for the hard-nosed scrutiny that people like Campbell bring, they are left floundering. Even Owen Jones, who we all know is sharp as a pin, and a decent debater, is nevertheless reduced to platitudes in answer to direct questions. Show me a Labour leader who can win a down and dirty debate with Campbell and you might find a potential leader who has half a chance of winning an election! If you’re a lefty then you should not be insulting Campbell (so many stupid childish insults), rather you should be begging your party to employ him to start toughening people up!

I don't like Alistair Campbell but he's a seasoned debater and can easily beat 99.9% of people. People may not like him but Nigel Farage is in a similar bracket to Campbell debating wise. Now, when woke people like Owen Jones with some warped utopian view of the world debate real adults then it's clear for all to see his just a self-entitled virtue signalling child.

Gheez Alastair Campbell is irritating! Let the guy speak!

25:31 typical of the far left to just abdicate responsibility when they can't form a coherent argument

You know you are in the wrong party when you are scared of speaking honestly. The guy literally said "i'm scared of what I say because I don't want it to be damaging to what I believe in". Oh my. Wake up.

Absolutely fascinating! Also very revealing of differing mindsets and approaches between the generations.

One expert liar eviscerating a less expert one.

very nauseating

owen jones comes across as overly sensitive, overly defensive and as campbell points out, overly self checking, constantly declaring himself as 'on the left'. Maybe he was nervous. Would have been more interesting is campbell could have got more of a word in and the discussion was less dogmatic

Nice to watch Campbell eating lunch.

Owen Jones is too emotional for debate. He always looks seconds away from snapping and going home to his parents.

why is Campbell so antagonistic and hostile from the start?

CAN I FINISH, CAN I FINISH, WILL YOU LET ME FINISH....ok I'm finished

This makes for VERY interesting viewing now!

The most painful here is to see how tribal and group thinking the hard left Labour is. Owen is afraid to be slagged off by his OWN audience, if he is seen in a room with Alastair, if he agrees Corbyn cannot win an election, if he may show that Labour strategy fails. He needs a lot of words, only to not be pinned down. That's where he resembles fence sitting Corbyn. I disliked it where Owen said people voted leave because of low investment in public services, etc. Why did no one ever say that it is not the EU that prevents the UK government itself to invest more in communities. Even worse: some leave voting areas are going to lose EU support (which most of them found out only after the vote) 43:50 it is not just that left is not only fact and right story. Socialism is a policy, while conservatism is a personality trait. That's why vote leave used the big-5 personality traits to build their campaign on. Risk aversion, low tolerance of complexity (enough of experts), low tolerance to change, etc. So try to translate social democracy to traits. Then you find out they are not in the big-5. But there are some that resonate, such as generosity, compassion, fairness. But it doesn't win it unless you go for the same big-5 traits as conservatives, but then on the other end of the spectrum: openness, forward-looking, responsive to change, open minded, welcoming, fearless, confident, inclusive, etc. You are then on libdem territory; Momentum are way too ideological to score high on openness.

Having said that, it turned out in the end to have been an entertaining, (if not very informative), interview, with Owen Jones even putting Campbell on the spot a few times. If only the Labour Party could combine the marketing and oratory of Blair, the unity of Team GB, and a dash of the integrity of Corbyn, they could once again take the reigns of power from the Tories.

"… let me finish…' He's been listening to grown-ups talking.

Like watching Mr Miyagi explaining to Danielson that he hasn't just been washing cars, he's been learning Karate! But Danielson doesn't understand and just keeps washing those cars...

Would've been easier to enjoy if it weren't for Campbell interrupting half way through Jones' answers every single time.

No idea what Owen is waffling about; Alistair wanted concise answers and all he got was a historical referenced waffle which went nowhere.

What rhymes with bruiser?

Great interview but alistair Campbell is streets ahead of him

always talk. whatever your views, keep talking! Very important people.

Owen Jones came off as a self conscious whilst bumbling along this interview as if he were a child being caught out by his dad. He's very aware of his persona and is scared to death of loosing it.

It's like a school boy trying to impress his teacher.

Owned jones has the body language of a guilty man being interrogated

there should be a rematch interview. would be q fascinating

Owen "I don't want to say anything that hurts the left" every thing you say hurts the left. You are the personification of woke, progressivism.

"Spin Master General" 😂

A ridiculous tie

It's like a literal Battle of the Bellends.

Very interesting. I wish Campbell had suggested something, anything that the Right/Moderate of the Labour party could do to suggest it has a positive vision. Simply saying 'we want power' won't work because people don't simply hand you power. However, the point that he started to make about Jones moving from observer to player is pertinent. Jones could start to give Labour the clarity in dealing with the media it needs. Too many on the Labour left instinctively run away from the media and hope it won't hurt them which only makes it worse.

Owen never understands the format no matter how many times he's told. Is he so bright?

I watched all of this and Owen did well here, the arrogance and lack of self awareness from Alastair is staggering. Labour achieved many great things under Blair but Alastair will not let 1997 die. This guy cannot see why Corbyn became leader, the right in Labour ran out of ideas and Corbyn filled the vacuum. Corbyn is a product of Labour strategy under Blair.

Alastair Campbell sits there, basking in the glory of his 3 election victories, as though he didn't go on inflict the gravest foreign policy error in modern history on this country, wiping a million people off the planet in the process. As though he didn't embrace, and entrench Thatcherite economics into our country. As though he didn't oversee the deregulation of the banking system which has led to the economic disaster that we, the people, are all paying off now. It's an arrogance that almost defies belief. If I were him I'd be sat on a beach in Mexico, on my knees every day thanking God that I wasn't sat in the Hague. And the election victories themselves? In 1997, following a recession and 18 years of Tory rule the country was ready, primed for change. It was an open goal, and they nailed it but the following 10 years included an unprecedented worldwide economic boom, before ultimately the whole house of cards came crashing down in the 2008 meltdown. Everything about Campbell is fraudulent. He's a murderer. A spiv. A charlatan. And he sits there smugly on the back of his own, ill gotten good fortune. I could strangle him.

You would have thought that New Labour pragmatism might involve being open to the possibility that Corbynism might be an appropriate strategy for the current populist age; hard to see how slagging him off in the media is a pragmatic solution to anything

His first sentence immediately switched me off, Alastair asked a simple question "Who's they?" and he went off a tangent. When you speak in general too often you don't find your point whatever it may be comes across.

Alastair Campbell looks like he's looking down at Owen Jones, it makes Campbell look terrible.