Brits Who Made the Modern World - British Rail Advanced Passenger Train

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3 жыл бұрын

2008 documentary on the ill fated BR APT tilting train project and its lasting legacy in today’s trains. Features interviews with Kit Spackman and Alan Wickens.

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@shahedmc9656 3 жыл бұрын

I had no idea that Wickens and Newman were both from outside the rail industry. Kind of explains the lack of unity throughout BR towards the project. Kudos to them for making a success of the APT-E.

@chinwokeedeh9384 3 жыл бұрын

I feel really disappointed that APT trains was redrawn from service in 1986! It could have been an outstanding achievement in improving Britain's Railways!

@quas392 3 жыл бұрын

@Archie Arties I swear to god you bots are on every single god damn train video

@robertcohen5411 2 жыл бұрын

That's me playing Mike Newman in the dramatic reconstruction bits. Shot at the place in Crewe where it all happened.

@29brendus 3 ай бұрын

Well that's certainly a slant I wasn't expecting! I hope your acting career stayed on track!

@Martindyna 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting that the engineers started work around 1964 before getting financial backing, possibly with the assistance of Margaret Thatcher, in 1969 6:25 Reminds me of the early ideas that led to the development of Concorde in 1954. Just look at how old fashioned the cars looked back then and yet these advanced machines were in the (very) early stages of development. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concorde

@karaloca 3 жыл бұрын

3:50, that animation, brilliant, like postman pat or something.

@fastbike9845 Жыл бұрын

At 18:30 they state the hydraulic tilt was replaced by air springs. Which is incorrect: the APT-P retained hydraulics for the tilt. Air springs were used for suspension/comfort. So it had both.

@Soupdragon1964 2 жыл бұрын

Two apparent geniuses fighting entrenched BR management mentality and typically chippy, self-serving unions.

@edwardmortimer2150 3 жыл бұрын

2:21 why is this music in almost every train video/ documentary

@rolandharmer6402 3 жыл бұрын

So sad. With greater care from the BR board and the government this train could have been a trailblazer. Pushing it into service too early was not good, the press were a disgrace and the odd decision to not use the original tilting mechanism was odd. There appears to have been a mutual distrust between the traditional engineers - who went on to produce the successful HST - and the design team of the APT. Thanks to the idiots at the top we now use imported tilting trains.

@allyreneepenny9447 2 жыл бұрын

Beautiful this train 👌 Remind me on a starship 👍

@giannicolonello3240 3 жыл бұрын

the APT train story is always interesting... but at usual the myth of the derivation of the italian project from the BR one... actually the fiat started before and had a totally independent (and more successful) development

@Martindyna 3 жыл бұрын

BR's claim was the development of the first active, powered, tilting system. You are correct that, in the end, Fiat only purchased some of BR's patents to improve on their existing design.

@chinwokeedeh9384 3 жыл бұрын

But the problem was, there were a lot of out dated rail tracks full of twists and turns all over Britain. That's why the trains couldn't run on higher speeds on Britain's existing railway lines because the government didn't make any effort to put in funds in Britain's Railways system, like how other European countries and other countries put billions in their railways like France's TGV, Germany's Deutsche Bahn, Japan's Shinkansen, Spain's high speed rail and many others. What a disappointment that the British government didn't make any effort or changes at all on Britain's existing railways.

@chinwokeedeh9384 3 жыл бұрын

The reason why Britain don't have an efficient railway system because, British government didn't see that railway in is country as a commercial service.

@mrrolandlawrence 3 жыл бұрын

@@chinwokeedeh9384 well that and railways were considered "old fashioned". cars were the future and they were aspirational also! also car makers bought advertising space in newspapers. trains not so much. same reason we got rid of trams in the uk. seen as transport for the poor. diesel was progress and thus promoted instead :)

@ChangesOneTim Жыл бұрын

APT quite rightly was seen as the best BR could realistically hope for. At the time Britain was building new motorways and trunk roads like crazy. With cars becoming increasingly affordable for people to enjoy 'freedom of the roads' (ha ha), rail was only taken seriously for London commuting and not much else. Against that background, no way would any government prioritise spending on new high speed rail lines. Despite this, BR still shortened many journey times by upgrading track geometry so that existing curves could be taken faster by conventional trains, although money to do even this was tight...and most non-electric trains they built in the 1960s weren't man enough to benefit fully from the speed uplifts anyway! If anything, the problem was down to government expecting the railway to become a more 'commercial' than 'public service' operation. 'Making the railway pay' has always been a political issue in Britain.

@thereceptives 3 жыл бұрын

APT completely overshadowed in the museum by DP1 sat next to it.

@samk4128 3 жыл бұрын

Yep, because the APT-E needed to be smaller so that it stayed within the loading gauge when it tilted.

@Jabberstax Жыл бұрын

Just like everything. We did it first, now we do it worst.

@stubborn176 3 жыл бұрын

it's not markoni, it's SIr AJC Bose who is the pioneer of modern day connectivity by inventing and microwave communication first demonstrating microwave signal conditioning using semiconductor.

@blueskiesabove3950 2 жыл бұрын

Terry Miller had the last laugh

@frederickbowdler8169 Жыл бұрын

Reliability not speed is the answer .

@chinwokeedeh9384 3 жыл бұрын

They were also train accidents involving privatization from 1997 to 2007. What a disappointment and how very sad!

@dominicmackrill5953 2 жыл бұрын

There were deaths before and after that time scale so what’s your point?

@Trainman10715 2 жыл бұрын

while there were 6 major accidents in the early privatization era between 1997 and 2004, only 2 of them (hatfield and potters bar) can be attributed to privatization, ladbroke grove and southall were entirly driver error, and great heck and ufton nervet were foreign object collisions. Grayrigg (2007) also had nothing to do with privatization as it was network rail by then

@nicholastaylor4437 2 жыл бұрын

What worked? The British experiment or the French or Japanese approach?

@chinwokeedeh9384 3 жыл бұрын

And since privatization came to being in this country, the services in these private trains companies we have are the worst, for higher fares, lateness of arrival and in packed of full trains! We have the worst railway service in the world then Italy.

@steveluckhurst2350 3 жыл бұрын

A slight exaggeration !

@OnTheRailwayOfficial 2 жыл бұрын

You forgot about the US hahaha lmao

@mgutkowski 2 жыл бұрын

Very interested to learn why the prototype was so heavily re-engineered, though I suspect it was the classic human characteristic of not seeing the wood for the trees in someone else's work