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Wayland broodies lmao

@@someguy9175 no just Brodies

The main issue I have with KDE is the wallet it keeps wanting to setup. It's also a pet peeve of mine about Brave, especially because it's a kind of pointless system.

I'm excited for Plasma 6, but will they ever fix the "Limited Connectivity" feature for Networking? I just installed the latest on Arch Linux the other day to test it after 2 years and was surprised it was still there.

@@terminalvelocity4858 - Yeah, KDE is kind of why I moved away from Mint. Sure, it looks nice and like Windows, but that can also be a drawback. Functionally, it's mostly ok, though Mabox and Openbox somehow hit it right for me. Still has it's quirks, but many of them are common enough on any Linux distro. For instance, it would be nice to have an uninstaller that can take care of the externals so you don't have to hunt them down in the tree and root folders. Also, need to figure out the keys, and if there's a way to switch them off when a program running on Wine needs to use them. It seems like it should since it works with native Linux applications.... mostly.

Hi @vaxryy, I have a question. At 60HZ any Wayland compositors mouse feels slow and laggy it ruins the experience, but at 144HZ, the mouse feels much more smooth and responsive. An example is Xorg, the mouse still feels tight at 60HZ, at 144HZ even better. But on Wayland it is much slower and ruins the experience at 60HZ.

Why does this happen

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@@yusefaslam9675 I'd imagine that's because by default wayland forces V-sync.

Any way to turn it off?

Wayland will be EOL by the time it is widely adopted.

​@@kylek3822I mean it's already widely adopted on non-nvidia systems

@@kylek3822 I can't tell if you're telling a bad joke or you're serious

@@darthvader1191 AMD here. But why does Wayland get the blame when Nvidia has the closed source drivers?

​​@@Emancipatriot Wayland doesn't get the blame, everyone knows Nvidia is at fault for their awful drivers on Linux. With that being said it has still affected adoption of Wayland by Nvidia users who make up a good chunk of the Linux desktop user base which affects overall Wayland adoption whether it's the team's fault or not.

Hypeland

High per land

hyprland! :D

Pfp source :3

The 5 people who are using BSD will be extremely excited about this!

Oh that project has come along way, I remember when it was just an experiment

Guide to know, even the BSD are recognizing reality.

@@leopard3131 FreeBSD has done the wayland thing for a while, OpenBSD is the newest addition to the group, NetBSD is... does anybody actually use NetBSD

I did not know that but I have not dabbled with the BSD family for a long time. They always felt outdated. I ran openBSD for a few months never cared for the others.

oh wait that's actually huge, won't have to keep going through hyprctl clients now thanks :p

@@nishiko28 No problem! I hope it worked for you.

hjkl is the best. I'd marry him

It is the opposite experience for me, the last time I tried Wayland was a few months ago, window movement felt laggier and mouse movement felt sluggish. I haven't tried the version of Wayland that Brodie is talking about in the video, but if I try that new version and these issues are still there I will stick with X11 until these issues are ironed out.

UPDATE: I have tried KDE Plasma 6.0 RC2 Wayland and can confirm the mouse responsiveness at 60HZ has been greatly improved. SwayWM and other Wayland compositors are still have a laggy mouse.

Yeah nixos user

I feel this comment, went through the same. Would be nice if Hyprland could offer some default configurations/theming options but after setting it up manually, pretty much set and forget afterward. It's worth the effort.

What about wine with wayland? Are you running the proprietar blob or nvk?

@@thodean proprietary, NVK isn't fully usable yet

On laptop? its still unusable on desktop nvidia because of no explicit sync support

NVIDIA on Wayland for games is pretty bad due to missing explicit sync in XWayland, GNOME etc. Right now the syncing is out of whack and the whole screen is flickering when you can't hit smooth vsync.

@@notuxnobux I'm on desktop, using an RTX 3060 on Nobara 39

You can use tiling window management, and even other WMs on KDE as well

​@@matthiasschuster9505Like what exactly? Kwin WM is no longer maintained and won't work on Plasma 6. Polunium is buggy and has less features than Kwin WM. I don't mean to sound rude, I'm just genuinely curious as I'm on Plasma 5 and I'm debating my options 😅.

afaik its because programs request window captures for multiple things. say discord for the preview when selecting a window, the preview for others and then the actual screencapture

Yeah, I'm at odds with screen share. It just feels like something that opens the door to hackers.

@@b4sically26 - yeah, part of why I think it can open a door to hackers.

@@b4sically26 That's probably also why Skype does exactly two opens…

@@JohnCrawford1979 why would that be? If anything it makes it more secure but inconvenient because you have to request access everytime. If it would cache the requests that would lead to security problems

You probably run on hybrid solutions then. Those seem to work quite well from what I have seen, given the overall situation.

@TVPInterpolation probably, but if I recall, it didn't have any issues utilising the Nvidia gpu for gaming. My only complaint was the fans going wild when running Pizza Tower, but that was general and only specific to that proton instance

Good to hear.

When I had an nvidia laptop it didn't really do much different either. Apart from application-specific issues that were broken on AMD too.

I am also allergic to not having night light, I am using wlsunset Maybe if gammastep itself isn't a requirement you could try that

I've been using gammastep on Hyprland (and Sway before that) for more than half a year. What issues did you face while using it?

I've used wlsunset on Hyprland+Arch and it worked out for me. Maybe it'll work out for you too. Although, I do have an AMD Card and was using the MESA drivers so idk if that makes a difference.

have you tried hyprshade? They have a "night light" shader that works pretty well on my system

@@pialdas6835 Thanks! I'll check it out when I try Hyprland out again.

I'm running it with a 1050ti with no problem, give it s try!

@@iron7956 what desktop environment?

@@Kyller3030 hyprland, the Wayland compositor Brodie talks about in the vide

I always forget that's a 7 year old card now

@@BrodieRobertson Steam's value queen, at the time it felt like it took forever for nvidia to get the 2000 series off the ground (also nVidia kept re-releasing it, they were 4 1060 SKUs by the end)

For me it is the mouse lag on Wayland, compared to X11 at 60HZ. The mouse movements on Wayland are for me noticeably more laggy, it does not feel like I am directly moving the mouse, it feels like there's another layer between the mouse and the screen, on X11 it feels quick and responsive. That is literally the only reason I do not use Wayland.

Get off 545 and go back to 535... fixes most issues for me on RTX 3080 desktop/ RTX 3060 laptop

Well, that pretty much sums it up: Nvidia. Are you on a laptop or desktop?

I had to downgrade my nvidia drivers to get it stop flickering

btw why would you want tearing anyway? isn't VRR usually enough?

Variable refresh rate is not supported on every monitor

@@qlx-i I do not own a variable refresh rate display, it's all 60hz..

I didn't actually try KDE with any tiling scripts, but I did a bit of research into the matter and well, bismuth is unmaitained atm and seems like it's wayland successor Polonium also needs some major rewrites for it to work with kde 6. As stated in the video, currently on wayland Hyprland is pretty much the go to for anything tiling related.

@@georgebals5170 I just realized that I switched to Polonium at some point and forgot it was no longer Bismuth. Hopefully it will work fine on Wayland, otherwise I will stay on X11. Because there is no way for me to go back to manual tiling and at the moment I want to use KDE Plasma.

@@thingsiplay agree, once you get used to tiling you can never go back. I'm eager to try KDE 6 with tiling, but until it's out I'm staying on Hyprland

oh my god 3 mismatched refresh rates. The tearing must be pretty bad on x11!

@@max_uaminecraft1827 It's... surprisingly not that bad with copious amount of tweaking (TearFree, environment variables to get KWin to software sync at 144Hz). But you can't switch back once you experience the smoothness, and it just all works out of the box. Not crashing my desktop whenever the second GPU gets detached for a VM alone is such a convenience it's worth the temporary pains.

What refresh rate do you use? I ask this because I use a 60HZ monitor and mouse movement is noticeably laggier on Wayland compared to X11 at the same refresh rate, it just completely ruins the experience and that is why I will stick with X11 until Wayland sorts this out.

Video sharing is good until you need to do individual window capture

nice. what's your distro now? I'm curious :D

@@phitc4242 I use NixOS now. Compared to Arch, a lot of stuff just works without much setup, but when something doesn't work, it can be harder to fix (e.g., syncthing was a bit of a pain to get running as its own user, and installing anything from github is also annoying). But I found enough of it to be easier to be worth it for me, especially since having all the system level stuff in one file makes it easy to change things back if you break them

"Well, X11 (or Compiz or Unity) seems to struggle a lot with my two-monitor setup (one laptop screen and one extra HDMI monitor, both of them 1920x1080p@60Hz)" One for each eye, presumably? So do you have independently swiveling eyes like a chameleon?

@@terrydaktyllus1320 I really hope you're just joking and not actually trying to make some asinine point about how having two monitors two monitors is ridiculous.

@@terrydaktyllus1320 Nope, but I watch videos on the screen with the slightly larger area and I code on the laptop screen. Often I have PyCharm or XED on the left screen (laptop) and a Firefox window with the documentation (or in the case of web technologies, the actual result of my programming) on the right screen (second monitor).

@@ghosthunter0950 In what way ridiculous? Too many or too few? Sometimes I could very much use a third monitor, but at other times the second monitor just shows a still image of _Belle_ or the laptop monitor just shows Skype/Discord/some random website while I watch a video on the second monitor.

@@ghosthunter0950 " I really hope you're just joking" This isn't a discussion about me, so do try to keep up and stay on topic. We were talking about computers, not me. "and not actually trying to make some asinine point about how having two monitors two monitors is ridiculous." That's you putting words into my mouth and then arguing against - I did not use the word "ridiculous", the words I would use are "unnecessary" and "poseurs". "Unnecesary" because the reason you have virtual desktops is to be able to switch between virtual screens as you need them, and given my job is around Linux also, I stick to the "lowest common denominator" and have an optimal workflow using one screen because that's how I often find myself on a customer site with just a laptop. My eyes can fix on one screen at a time, and one application at a time - and I have enough patience, and a good enough environment, to not be that concerned with a 50 millisecond wait to get to a secondary virtual desktop with a hot key. "Poseurs" because for "gaming wankers" where everything is about playing "Top Trumps" with you PCs on social media to get the biggest numbers - highest FPS, most Ryzen cores, most expensive GPU purchased by mummy and daddy for Christmas, most simultaneous 4K monitors making my workstation look like a Boeing 747 flight deck, etc. etc. Good, that should be clearer for you now and require less "hoping" on your part.

There's a reason I won't buy a display higher res then 1080p

@@BrodieRobertson I just wish hyprland would have the option to use super sampling like gnome does. I love the crisp images of my oled screen laptop.

I haven't even gotten fractional scaling looking good on X11, and I gave up even trying-much better has been going into my WM/DE configs and theme settings and just *upping the default font size* across the board.

@@GSBarlev Fractional scaling works fine in qt applications on both x11 and wayland. It's just gtk that doesn't support fractional scaling. It doesn't even support fractional scaling on wayland. There are hacks such as downsampling that gnome does, which also works in x11.

@@notuxnobux That would explain my issues-I tend to prefer GTK applications and desktop environments. On the Wayland side, though, it's really hard to beat the simplicity of env = XCURSOR_SIZE,14 in my hyprland.conf (I know that's not font size, but you get the idea)

Proprietary drivers btw. And does anyone know how to fix it?..

I had this flikering issue with all electron apps. For me it was only on XWayland apps. I don't know if it is a solution to this problem or not. But installing those apps as a snap fixed the issue for me (tried vscode, vscodium, teams, github, etc). However I dont really think that you can use snap since you are using runit.

You can try it out and see if it works, you won't know until you do it

There's no plans to drop X11 from the project just yet