🎸 Broke on the Road: The Brutal Truth About $300 Gigs in Nashville 🎸

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17 күн бұрын

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In this video, I dive into the harsh financial realities faced by touring musicians. Despite what you might think when you see us on big stages, the truth is far from glamorous. Join me as I share my personal experiences and break down the costs of life on the road, from maintaining essential gear to simply making ends meet.
💸 What's Inside:
My journey as a touring musician
The true cost of touring and living in Nashville
Gear maintenance and expenses
The misconception of wealth in the music industry
Real talk on why $300-$500 per show isn’t enough
🎤 Let's Set the Record Straight: Touring is a labor of love, but it’s not as lucrative as it seems. Get an inside look at the sacrifices and challenges that come with pursuing a passion for music.
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@dannykristoffer4047
@dannykristoffer4047 14 күн бұрын
The problem is gigs in 2024 paying same as 1987
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
You are correct!
@sidalientv
@sidalientv 13 күн бұрын
Well, the "nostalgia factor" is alive!
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
@@sidalientv It's always the good old days...
@emeraldox
@emeraldox 12 күн бұрын
Recording engineer in Austin told me rates are the same here as in the 90s.
@badbrad
@badbrad 12 күн бұрын
@@emeraldox wow!
@05645ci
@05645ci 7 күн бұрын
I've had 2 guitar instructors that could play the strings off anything that I would never come close to. Both of them were starving on the road, and started doing lessons so they could starve at home. I got over my desire to be a great guitar player and settled for being an "advanced beginner" and had a great career in the shoe biz. Now I'm retired very comfortably and play bass and acoustic guitar with my buddies in my home studio I bought with my shoe money. Lesson I learned was the that music business is like buying lottery tickets; only the lucky win. Unless you're lucky, playing music is for fun.
@badbrad
@badbrad 7 күн бұрын
I hear ya.
@rodterrell304
@rodterrell304 5 күн бұрын
Same for me. Good for you, enjoy your music.
@davidcollin1436
@davidcollin1436 4 күн бұрын
For decades 5% of the recording acts support the entire industry. The only profit of tours is merch. Many musicians live off wedding gigs.
@chimchim90210
@chimchim90210 3 күн бұрын
Al Bundy makes good 😅
@f.kieranfinney457
@f.kieranfinney457 2 күн бұрын
Only the well connected win. Luck isn’t part of it.
@CliffMcAulay
@CliffMcAulay 7 күн бұрын
Our society is running on fumes. Doesn't matter what you do, nothing is sustainable. Music is a free commodity to most people. We have to live with these facts, and play the music that is in our hearts anyway. Good luck everyone.
@badbrad
@badbrad 7 күн бұрын
Yes best to all!
@scrambaba
@scrambaba 15 сағат бұрын
We have given the keys to the castle to the speculators and to the greedy corporations and to the tech barons and they are sucking the life out of what used to be a good society. Musicians today are donating their services to billionaires.
@gcrichards1
@gcrichards1 14 күн бұрын
UK based semi-pro drummer here. The economics of running small to medium sized venues is also an issue, the fees paid to acts has also declined and has become almost impossible to make a professional living doing it. (Exceptions obviously are the big acts who will power on regardless as the ticket prices will rise accordingly). Luckily I don't have to rely on it to make a living, but I know a few pro players and it can be hard even for them, so they go back to teaching and drum clinics etc. One said to me "The happiest drummers I know are the ones who don't do it professionally" Thanks for the honest post.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Thanks for letting me know what it’s like in the UK. I always wanted to play some shows over there. It so tough everywhere. Best to you and thank you.
@ThomasWBaldwin
@ThomasWBaldwin 14 күн бұрын
GINGER BAKER!!!
@sidalientv
@sidalientv 14 күн бұрын
Same here in Germoney, dude.
@andrewfrancis3591
@andrewfrancis3591 13 күн бұрын
Used to play rhythm guitar in a pub group in the late 70's-early 80's Often made more on the weekend than I did in my main job. At the time providing a group at the weekend filled large pubs, an extra 2p on a pint would leave the landlord in profit. Beer was cheap no drink driving laws, people consumed more. Then came the portable disco, doing for £50, what we were doing for £160.
@sidalientv
@sidalientv 13 күн бұрын
@@andrewfrancis3591 Foreigner musician living in Germany since 2003. The music scene if you want to write and play your own material is DEAD. Everything is cover bands (99% with the same lame repertoire), pubs and small locations are out since the plandemie, and because the neighbors find them "too loud". Second point are the hobby musicians, who are mostly architects, doctors or good paid pros who play for free or 100 euros (most of them play very good to be true), but you can easily guess who will hire a pub for a night of live music. We are screwed.
@misterknightowlandco
@misterknightowlandco 14 күн бұрын
The music industry is over. Honestly, I think for 99.9999% of us watching this video, our best option is to just go to church whether or not we make it in the band 😂. When the people who get played on the radio or play on stage in support of the artist on the radio, can’t make an honest living anymore… it’s time to shovel some dirt on this horse cuz it’s dead… even the artists who actually make some money usually get screwed out of it anyways… thanks for the insight and best of luck.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Sad but true.
@edtaylor7816
@edtaylor7816 9 күн бұрын
Yup. I do church gigs as well. They pay better than any club, (but not why I do them...), 4-5 songs with a short rehearsal mid-week, and ampless. Plug in play, pray, go home.
@badbrad
@badbrad 9 күн бұрын
@@edtaylor7816 I know alot of church players here....some it's their only gig.
@501chorusecho
@501chorusecho 14 күн бұрын
the "economics of nashville just don't work"
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Uncle Larry is one of the all-time greats in this town. Thank you sir.
@tdz69
@tdz69 8 күн бұрын
They don’t work anywhere my friend. Sadly.
@getenlightened
@getenlightened 4 күн бұрын
Unless you're Uncle Larry, or you got in early. The economy in any decent sized town in the US is pretty screwed.
@daviddunkin7454
@daviddunkin7454 Күн бұрын
@@getenlightened your last comment is spot on
@MasTejeda
@MasTejeda 15 күн бұрын
You speak the truth man. I stop playing guitar to become a harmonica player, that way I can still play on stage and also be the bartender.
@badbrad
@badbrad 15 күн бұрын
Now that’s a good one.
@robertdillon9989
@robertdillon9989 9 күн бұрын
We made a lot more money in 1987 then they’re paying now. The advent of DJs ruined it for musicians.
@badbrad
@badbrad 9 күн бұрын
Very true!
@MrRamaman1
@MrRamaman1 8 күн бұрын
The music industry sadly lost it`s "shine" when humans stopped going to a store to buy a physical piece of plastic that had music on it once you put it on a music player of sorts. The good ol days as they say, the money was there because of records, tapes, cds selling and selling. After th year 2000 so many things changed for the worst in music in my humble opinion...cheers
@RemoWilliams-jg4yb
@RemoWilliams-jg4yb 8 күн бұрын
Bingo
@jody8526937
@jody8526937 6 күн бұрын
I met a trumpet player in 1987 who said “Elvis and the electric guitar killed it for horn players. What Elvis didn’t kill The Beatles finished off.”
@RemoWilliams-jg4yb
@RemoWilliams-jg4yb 6 күн бұрын
@@jody8526937 I can see that. There are a lot of musical rabbit holes that I have gone down lately where I have learned something new. There seems to be a lot of things done by design.
@anthonypanneton923
@anthonypanneton923 6 күн бұрын
This occurred to me after watching your video - some really great and successful artists couldn't make it work in Nashville, like Willie Nelson for one. And he had songs done by big recording artists (Patsy Cline!), even his own TV show for a while. But he got to the end of his rope in Nashville. There's a lot to be said for moving on to "plan B." Willie's was moving back to Texas. Probably the smartest move he ever made.
@badbrad
@badbrad 6 күн бұрын
Worked for him
@anthonypanneton923
@anthonypanneton923 6 күн бұрын
@@badbrad I bet you got some stories from that!
@badbrad
@badbrad 5 күн бұрын
Oh ya!
@ourrealestatejourney_original
@ourrealestatejourney_original 5 күн бұрын
We opened for Napalm Death at a small club in Columbus, OH almost 20 years ago. Barney (their vocalist) and I were sitting in a booth chatting while he was enjoying a sandwich. He said that the RV that they rented for this tour was $1000/wk. Gas was cheaper back then but was still a significant chunk of change. He told me that they were only averaging around $3k week for the entire band. I couldn't believe it. He said he owned a pizza joint back home (overseas) and he works there when not touring. It really opened my eyes at how tough the band life can be.
@badbrad
@badbrad 5 күн бұрын
Wow! People don’t know until they find out.
@JohnDoe-xr5is
@JohnDoe-xr5is 5 күн бұрын
Alrosa Villa?
@ourrealestatejourney_original
@ourrealestatejourney_original 4 күн бұрын
@JohnDoe-xr5is Billiard Club (right up the street from the Villa). Mitch, who worked the door at the Villa sometimes, was friends with the guys in Napalm Death. He's the one who called me like 3 days before the show to ask if we'd open cuz we usually had a good crowd turnout. Even though the show was on a Tuesday, we agreed. Ended up being an ok gig.
@badbrad
@badbrad 2 күн бұрын
Man that is cool!
@bumpdunlop
@bumpdunlop 14 күн бұрын
99 percent of musicians work a day job five days a week and play mostly on Friday and Saturday nights. We're usually happy to make a hundred dollars a man, sometimes less, but a three hundred dollar night is really rare. When we open a show for someone the fee goes down. Only way to make good money opening a show for someone is if the promoter wants to rent your gear for the backline. We once made decent money providing the back line for an Edgar Winter show. When we make a CD we have to finance the thing ourselves and usually we only make enough money off of it to finance some of the next one. The music is usually better than the stuff that is coming out of Nashville though, so that's worth something. Most of us have spent some time playing six nights a week and living in a motel, when we were much younger. If you play for a living and don't have to work a day job it's your choice. My advise though, get a day job. Time flies. When time catches up with you, and it will, you will be sorry unless your mom and dad have provided for your old age. Btw, hardly noboby in any market buys a house if they make 30K a year.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
I've worked day jobs in the past. Been there done that. Playing music is a full time job.
@baneverything5580
@baneverything5580 10 күн бұрын
We sold shirts, caps, weed, took odd jobs from the stage in cities...whatever we could do to simply buy nice gear for a tour we had planned. We got the gear we needed piece by piece and it sounded crystal clear out front. We got a bus lined up, and were ready to start booking shows up toward Montana from Louisiana, up across the north, down the east coast to Florida and back through the South (we were crazy enough to pull it off)...then a bar burned to the ground after a Saturday show when they talked us into playing the next Wednesday. The owner "accidentally" burned the place for insurance and took pictures of our gear as contents. We got nothing. We tried. That was the best microphones, drums, monitors, cymbals, mixer etc I`ve ever owned. James Burton sold a lot of it to me (by chance) and I was proud of it and he said the rust on a mic stand was from Elvis` sweaty hand. I finally quit playing as a singing drummer just to be able to avoid the next phone call and started fishing instead. Hey, it was fun for a long time and I learned a lot and met some cool folks. What an adventure!
@badbrad
@badbrad 10 күн бұрын
@@baneverything5580 Wow man what a story! Love James Burton and Elvis. Best to you!
@kylemoore3204
@kylemoore3204 10 күн бұрын
What's worked for me, assuming music is your ultimate goal/dream job - doing adjacent or complimentary work. This could be teaching lessons, repairing/flipping musical equipment, working at a music store, having a youtube channel, or even just working a part time job that has daytime hours as not to interfere with gigs on nights and weekends. I've dabbled in all of these and that's what it takes.
@jackbyrd4921
@jackbyrd4921 9 күн бұрын
I played in a garage band once and we were nothing to brag about. We played a very small handful of gigs and I had made a comment to them that if I could make enough money to buy dinner and some gtr strings I would be happy. One of them came back with I don't want to turn this into a business. But when have have everything together when you get to the show by default it becomes a business. So if you don't want to deal with the business side stay at home and play in you garage you will be better off. Whatever you do don't be the one to play for beer you are being taken for a ride. With fuel being over five dollars a gallon in some places your lucky to make it there much less get back when it's all said and done. After my very short experience with it I just don't see how anyone could even remotely make living at it. Good luck to those who try your going to need it.
@vodekz1534
@vodekz1534 11 күн бұрын
this is why I stopped playing the bass guitar in my early 20s. I could not see any consistent income and have a family. I had enough to be out on weekends. This is short term as a young musician to just have fun. I have now two bass guitars, I enjoy them once in a while in my free time, but not for living anymore. I love the sound of any music and the energy it comes from. It is addictive
@badbrad
@badbrad 11 күн бұрын
Understandable. Best to you!
@TheFeelButton
@TheFeelButton 14 күн бұрын
When playing music is about getting laid, musicians get paid...when it's about getting paid musicians are F#$%@'d. Music income is more related to branding, T-shirt and merch sales than music sales these days so the economics are bound to get wonky. Good stuff Brad!
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Hilarious! Hurts but true. Thank you!
@sidalientv
@sidalientv 13 күн бұрын
Today even get laid has become difficult. Between traps trans and "MeToos" we are acrobats.
@f.kieranfinney457
@f.kieranfinney457 2 күн бұрын
Merch and taxes have never been cheaper. The problem is the promoters. They have no competition and can take what they want.
@badbrad
@badbrad 2 күн бұрын
That can be a problem.
@YouCanCallMeDon
@YouCanCallMeDon 15 күн бұрын
I did music to age 35, then went into tech and made a good living, retired early age 57. Had I stayed in music, I would be in the poor house right now most likely... or gigging my butt off to make ends meet. I know so many musicians from my old days that stayed in the game, and still playing gigs that would bore the socks off me.
@badbrad
@badbrad 15 күн бұрын
You made the right move.
@YouCanCallMeDon
@YouCanCallMeDon 14 күн бұрын
@@badbrad No regrets. Had fun though while it lasted.
@TheGuitologist
@TheGuitologist 14 күн бұрын
Great video. Should be an eye-opener for the young, starry-eyed musicians.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Thank you! 🙏
@ernieflanaganstingraybassm1463
@ernieflanaganstingraybassm1463 13 күн бұрын
how bout it brad !!
@badbrad
@badbrad 11 күн бұрын
Big fan of your channel. Thanks!
@Fuff63
@Fuff63 13 күн бұрын
Good advice. Respect. My Dad was a musician and he always lectured me that ‘ being a musician is the best SECOND job you can have’.
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
Sage advice!
@sidalientv
@sidalientv 13 күн бұрын
The main problem is that nobody count on with the damn Internet that changed the rules of everything forever. And as long as the AI grows, the things will always worse.
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
@@sidalientv Yeah AI is going to cost alot of people their jobs in all industries.
@sidalientv
@sidalientv 13 күн бұрын
@@badbrad And with overpopulation in the whole planet, it leads to a World War in search of resources, like it is beginning to happening right now (Ucraine, lithium in South America, land to cultivate in Africa, palm plantations in Asia etc)
@mhsandifer
@mhsandifer 13 күн бұрын
Not since the early 2000s
@TeleCaster66
@TeleCaster66 10 күн бұрын
I decided not to be a professional guitar player when I was young because I didn't want my favorite thing to do, play guitar, become a job. Im glad I didn't for several reasons but number 1 I didn't want to lose that love that I still have for music.
@badbrad
@badbrad 10 күн бұрын
I’ve lost it a few times and regained it. It is tough.
@BeesWaxMinder
@BeesWaxMinder 8 күн бұрын
You Sound Like my SON👍!
@hotrodjones74
@hotrodjones74 7 күн бұрын
I feel the same way. I'd like to set up a weekend local band for local gigs once and a while. But I'll keep my day job.
@badbrad
@badbrad 7 күн бұрын
@@hotrodjones74 That is wise. But never lose the joy of making music.
@michaelsix9684
@michaelsix9684 7 күн бұрын
you were smart
@supergrogg
@supergrogg 8 сағат бұрын
i had 3 bands or more i played club gigs with locally plus doing massage during the day and Uber the nights I didn't have gigs. COVID hit and in a blink of an eye, everything was gone. I was barely getting by before COVID and now in my 50's i finally woke up that I need a REAL gig. Now I'm a local truck driver making more consistently than I did with my old gigs combined. It's a breath of fresh air not having to count on musicians, promoters, and bar owners! If you're in your 20's I say go for it, but if you are in your 40's and up i would highly recommend just being a weekend rockstar and still having a real job during the week.
@badbrad
@badbrad 8 сағат бұрын
Sage Advice!
@hurbhosea9888
@hurbhosea9888 3 күн бұрын
Played drums and fiddle from age 6 to age 20. Saw the light. Went to med school. Sad. Still love it. Play in the living room. Rather be a musician than a doc. Heroes are still jon bonham, tommy jackson, jeff porcaro, ralph mooney.
@badbrad
@badbrad 3 күн бұрын
Love all those drummers. Drummers are my spirit animal without them I got nothing. Best to you!
@TwangThang57
@TwangThang57 14 күн бұрын
Unfortunately this is the sad reality of post Covid economics. I retired seven years ago. When I stopped working I could live, albeit very modestly, on my retirement income. Since Covid, grocery prices have doubled in my area and rental prices have quadrupled. As far as buying a house, there is nothing livable under $450k. A tiny wood frame house across the street from me just listed at $550k. The 94 yo woman who lived in it had been there since the 50s and had done zero upgrades since moving in. It is almost inevitable that I will have to rejoin the workforce.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Wow!
@edtaylor7816
@edtaylor7816 9 күн бұрын
Yup. One bedroom apartments here in SoCal run about 3K a month. Nuts...
@badbrad
@badbrad 9 күн бұрын
@@edtaylor7816 that is nuts!
@GuitarStarAcademy
@GuitarStarAcademy 12 күн бұрын
I left Nashville for THIS reason. Moved back to Colorado and started playing corporate/wedding gigs. Colorado is extremely expensive, but the wedding work was $450-$1200 a show averaging $600. I did that for 8 years. But, still no health insurance and my wife and I struggled. I was never home on the weekend and she still had to work weekdays. Additionally, that gig beat me up physically, every gig was 4 hours of dance music, 2-3 hours of jazz standards and typically an hour of solo guitar for the cocktail hour. Plus often to save money there were no accommodations, we’d finish at 1am and drive home sometime 3 hours thru mountain passes all in your own car. Talk about wear and tear. I found my happy place now playing in an original band in the red dirt scene. I’ve switched to pedal steel for three reasons. One, it’s a blast and I love the texture. 2: I get to sit down saving my back and legs, 3: it’s not an essential instrument. If I can’t make a gig, the band can still play without me. Obviously this is a rare gig and the guys in the band are the coolest dudes I’ve ever worked with to allow me that kind of flexibility. That gig doesn’t pay, we do make money but it all goes back into the pot for studio time and travel expenses. Everyone has a day job.
@badbrad
@badbrad 12 күн бұрын
Brother your message resonates with me big time. Through all the bumps in the road in this business it has been the Wedding and Corporate work that has literally kept me alive. It's only more recently the pay for that has increased. That is a booming business now and younger bands are taking alot of the bookings as their is money to be made. I just did a 4 hour straight this Saturday in a venue with no AC. 1-2 hours of Jazz then cranking out the Dance tunes. It does beat you up.
@edtaylor7816
@edtaylor7816 9 күн бұрын
Yup. Corporate/wedding gigs here still pay the best, $4500-$6000 for the band. Serious work as you need to have a very large catalogue at your fingertips...
@badbrad
@badbrad 9 күн бұрын
@@edtaylor7816 That's good bread for sure. I like playing those gigs, it's a joyous occasion and everybody has a good time.
@michaelsix9684
@michaelsix9684 7 күн бұрын
great post, TX musicians don't have the club scene that once existed, hard to even find a place to play
@mickkollins
@mickkollins 5 күн бұрын
Yep pedal steel player here....I'm the only steel player in the Virgin Islands so I get called out fairly regularly...standard 3 hr gig here pays $150..certainly not in it for the money..I had to laugh at the sitting down part of your post!
@darrylday30
@darrylday30 8 күн бұрын
At 25, I went back to school. Pro musicians, all better than me, were struggling. Thirty years later, I’ve got a home, a wife, a daughter and a career. Oh, I’ve got a local gig this weekend.
@badbrad
@badbrad 8 күн бұрын
Glad to hear your still Playing.
@darrylday30
@darrylday30 8 күн бұрын
@@badbrad I’m bathing in my mediocracy.
@badbrad
@badbrad 8 күн бұрын
@@darrylday30 Brother we all are.
@mrufino1
@mrufino1 8 күн бұрын
@@badbradha! Thanks for that laugh, it made my morning. I’ll be stealing that line.
@badbrad
@badbrad 8 күн бұрын
@@mrufino1 Great title for an album...
@wisdomhunter3797
@wisdomhunter3797 14 күн бұрын
Young musicians need to hear this BEFORE they load up their vans and head to Nashville. If nothing else - this video should allow them to reset their expectations and better prepare (and budget) for the realities of the game. Nicely done! Thanks for sharing that
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Thanks so much! Let’s hope they hear it.
@Magik1369
@Magik1369 6 күн бұрын
$300 bucks for a gig is simply not worth it. Truth is that bars, clubs, and venues pay the same money we made in the 70's and 80's. I'm glad I became an engineer and kept up guitar playing and singing as a side gig.
@badbrad
@badbrad 6 күн бұрын
I hear you!
@gs-pd5ox
@gs-pd5ox 5 күн бұрын
CMIIW, but I don’t thinks that is the situation the video is about. It’s about the ‘backing band’ supporting the big name. A bass player playing for whoever making $3-500/night. That is what the artist is paying them. It sounds like it’s a job for people with discipline. You could theoretically live on the road for free, eat with per diem, drink from the venue rider concessions contract at shows and pocket $40k+. I couldn’t because I am about that life, but some people could.
@spaceghost8995
@spaceghost8995 17 сағат бұрын
Exactly! I'm not a musician but I've been around many. I know those guys show up way early to setup and do sound check and they're there at 3AM packing it up! I used to see musicians at 10AM at a local diner looking like they were half dead already getting ready to get back on the bus to drive to the next gig. They couldn't have slept more than 5 hours or so.
@richardfranklinmorse
@richardfranklinmorse 6 күн бұрын
Boy oh boy, do I feel good about my life now. I toil away in obscurity 3 times a week, 300 per night, 15 minutes from home, play whatever I want, come home to my sweetie every night . Life’s good.
@badbrad
@badbrad 5 күн бұрын
That’s great!
@rb032682
@rb032682 3 күн бұрын
@richard - You don't get paid that kind of money when you "toil away in obscurity" and "play whatever you want" unless you, or a relative, owns the venue. ?
@preeces
@preeces Күн бұрын
Nobody cares!
@spaceghost8995
@spaceghost8995 17 сағат бұрын
No you don't.
@luigisavoia2401
@luigisavoia2401 7 сағат бұрын
The day I told myself I wasn't going to be a rock star all the pressure went away. My playing even got better. I had a great day job making good money. With predictable hours. It gets really real when your art ,whatever it is, is needed to pay the bills. My drumming money was just extra cash in my pocket.
@rustyaxelrod
@rustyaxelrod 8 күн бұрын
High School bands, 4 years active duty Air Force and into my late 50’s playing in bar bands. It’s been a lot of fun, great nights and bad nights but the mantra for me was “ya gotta love it!” On some level it was selfish that I was doin it for me, no aspirations of being famous, grounded in the reality of it, I never considered giving up my day job. Early on I had the thought that on any Saturday night all across the country there were bands playin right then and I took some pride in being part of that. The pleasure of those nights when all the equipment is right, the bands feelin good and the crowd likes what your doing is pretty awesome and making that happen regularly is work. Over the years there were a few times we were approached by someone offering studio time or a few dates out of state but we never picked up on any of that. It was a professional hobby and I wouldn’t trade the experiences for anything. Just last night I looked at my wife and said “I’m ready for bed”, she smiled and said “it’s <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="510">8:30</a>, ya know, just five years ago I’d be puttin on makeup” lol, I guess we both kinda miss it but dang, I turn 63 this year, I don’t wanna stay up till 2am. Apologies for rambling, I have a lot of respect for the pros, determined, hard working folks that also get a bit of luck but I know there are great performers entertaining the crowd all across the country in almost every little town every weekend and the odds of making a good living and having a family doing it are slim at best but Ah,,,The Dream!
@badbrad
@badbrad 8 күн бұрын
Man what a great comment. Some nights I'm in bed now by 8pm. Use to go to bed at 8am. I feel your words brother. Thank you.
@rustyaxelrod
@rustyaxelrod 8 күн бұрын
@@badbrad- thanks for the video! Some harsh truth. All the practice, equipment, set-ups and tear downs, travel, late nights and skipping other things you might want to do are all hard work and are worth something but the income side just isn’t there for the common band even if they are really good. Butts in the seats, drinks, and maybe food income minus the building lease, electric bill, supplies, servers, insurance…. And oh yea, a little something for the band, how’s $1,300 and a bar tab sound for two nights? Best I can do (and we played for a lot less plenty of times). Five band members, $260 each for two nights, we usually chipped in $20-30 each to give to a couple buddies who helped unload and set up. $240 for roughly 10hrs work. Not terrible but that’s it for the week, 10 hours. Not a living really, gonna need that day job 🫤. The rest of the story is the rush of doin it, it’s amazing when vocals blend just right or you nail that guitar lick you’ve been practicing, the whole band movin through time in perfect sync, everybody getting their part perfect all at the same click in time. Sometime you could feel the crowd just kinda stop what they were doin and ride along for a minute or two. I’m sure you understand but it’s hard to describe and to me that was the real pay back for the time spent to get it right.
@badbrad
@badbrad 8 күн бұрын
@@rustyaxelrod Yes those nights when everything clicks. Makes it all worthwhile.
@copperstaterocketguy1640
@copperstaterocketguy1640 6 күн бұрын
Respect...you are the REAL deal!
@ChandlerBrown
@ChandlerBrown 14 күн бұрын
Great insight on the reality of life in Nashville as a working musician. I’ve been in town since 2015. I have a college degree from MTSU where I studied in the Recording Industry Management department. I have a bachelors of science in Commercial Songwriting. For those unfamiliar, MTSU and Belmont are the universities that more or less feed into the entire Nashville music industry. After a couple years of job hopping post-graduation (wasn’t able to find a job with my degree because I worked through college, rather than being an unpaid intern - thus not having the “required experience” for industry jobs come time to enter the workforce), I went full time with music in 2022. The only reason it’s been a possibility is because of consistent Broadway gigs. Not ideal as someone who aspires to be a recording artist to be playing covers full time, but it feeds my family. I’m a songwriter so my experience is different than the sidemen in town because I now make money through publishing, but even with a publishing deal I have to play cover gigs just to make enough money. Luckily I married a local - my family of 4 is currently living at my mother-in-law’s house because rent is too expensive everywhere else in town. If it weren’t for that, I’d have to choose between going back to work full time or forcing my family into homelessness because I have this silly dream that I can’t stop chasing. For shits and giggles - I played a standard 4 hour shift today on Broadway and I made $175 to sing my ass off and front a band on the hottest day of the year (nonetheless, Father’s Day), and get this: I was excited about making *that much*. Would love to hear more about your experience. Awesome video.
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
Thank you! Wow $175 is decent but not if you had to pay today’s rent prices. I get some publishing mailbox money but not anything I can count on. Keep at it brother. Don’t give up and glad you got a roof over your head. Be nice to mother in law!
@ernieflanaganstingraybassm1463
@ernieflanaganstingraybassm1463 13 күн бұрын
right on brother !!
@gingervytis
@gingervytis 9 күн бұрын
>I have a bachelors of science in Commercial Songwriting. LOL. 🙄
@ChandlerBrown
@ChandlerBrown 9 күн бұрын
@@gingervytis nothing funny about it. There are a lot of songwriting success stories from MTSU and Belmont alike. Hardy has the same degree lol. You’ll know my songs soon, don’t worry
@awgilliam
@awgilliam 8 күн бұрын
The pay issue stems from the fact that there are too many guitarists in Nashville. There is too much “supply”, not enough “demand”.
@badbrad
@badbrad 8 күн бұрын
All players are splitting the same $
@anthonypanneton923
@anthonypanneton923 6 күн бұрын
And the irony is, there ain't much variety.
@johnc.8298
@johnc.8298 4 күн бұрын
Yep, the law of Demand and Supply. The Q point gets lower when Demand is low and Supply is high. Unlimited players vying for limited venues.
@TheOfficialManuelBurnett
@TheOfficialManuelBurnett 15 күн бұрын
Howdy neighbor! I moved to nearby Old Hickory back in March after 12 years in NYC. As a multi-instrumentalist and composer, it's comforting to hear your perspective on the Nashville scene and making a living in Music City. I subbed to your channel probably a month ago after watching some of your amp sim pedal reviews. Keep the videos coming!
@badbrad
@badbrad 15 күн бұрын
Nice to meet you! Welcome to Tn. There is a lot of good to be had here for sure but the reality is a bit sobering. Wish you much luck in your endeavors here. Thanks so much!
@Goodboy0953
@Goodboy0953 14 күн бұрын
Sure hope you left the liberal woke idiology back in NY!!!
@TheOfficialManuelBurnett
@TheOfficialManuelBurnett 14 күн бұрын
@@Goodboy0953 👍🏾
@MikeKelsoJr
@MikeKelsoJr 14 күн бұрын
I’m a singer songwriter I haven’t played any live gigs since the Pandemic ! From what I’m hearing there are hardly any paying gigs !? People are saying you’re better off playing on the street for tips !
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Wow.
@TonyToledo22
@TonyToledo22 13 күн бұрын
gotta get out there and see for yourself! Gigs are everywhere if youre playing what they want!
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
@@TonyToledo22 Get back out there bro!
@BillonBass
@BillonBass 14 күн бұрын
I was the touring bassist for the Motown group The Miracles for several years. We got $500 a show. All sold out shows. We played a lot of shows. In the 80s I’d be making $900 a day doing 3 studio sessions a day in LA. It’s not like that anymore. There’s just no money for sidemen or touring musicians in the music business anymore. Musicians need multiple income streams these days to survive. Lucky I still get calls to play basically every day but at 64 I have no interest in touring. Nowadays I work on projects for clients who hire me remotely to send them tracks from my home studio in Thailand where I live now. I was also an entertainment lawyer so made my money doing that later in life which afforded me options.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Wow very cool. Thanks so much for chiming in. That Motown stuff has so many killer bass lines so I know you can play the heck out of the bass. You’re absolutely right about the multiple income streams.
@michaelsix9684
@michaelsix9684 7 күн бұрын
consider writing a memoir , you have a great story to tell
@AGENTARMES
@AGENTARMES 9 күн бұрын
I moved to Nashville in 2017, my 1br Apt was $800/month. It’s around $1100 now. I moved w the intention of having fun as opposed to getting financial success. Mission accomplished
@badbrad
@badbrad 9 күн бұрын
That’s the right attitude.
@lazlomattachine8334
@lazlomattachine8334 9 күн бұрын
I’ve been playing professionally since the mid 90s - I remember when I started, the older cats said they were making the same money then that they were making in the 1970s. How do you make a living or I dare say, get ahead as a working artist when the average person believes that what you do should be free by definition? Gigs paid better when I was a kid starting out than they do nowadays. I feel Ike I was among the last generation of working musicians that could actually make a living playing an instrument. A real drag.
@badbrad
@badbrad 9 күн бұрын
It is. Some do better than others, we all work way harder than we are compensated ...that is for sure. Kids here make way more than we did when I first got to town, so there's that.
@kylebenjamin8772
@kylebenjamin8772 12 күн бұрын
Finally someone being honest about this stuff.
@badbrad
@badbrad 12 күн бұрын
Somebody’s gotta be
@tmiller.luthier
@tmiller.luthier 15 күн бұрын
This is straight to the point advice of the reality of what it takes to make it in this town and music business.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
🙏
@NashvilleDrumCoach
@NashvilleDrumCoach 2 күн бұрын
Bro I’ve been talking about this for a while. Thank you for your wisdom and transparency.
@badbrad
@badbrad 2 күн бұрын
Thanks so much!
@danielboone6325
@danielboone6325 9 күн бұрын
I put music on the back burner in the late eighties, and started my own finish carpentry business. less than 2k was a bad week, home every night!
@badbrad
@badbrad 9 күн бұрын
That is great, best to you!
@greyguy69
@greyguy69 13 күн бұрын
I am 70, played private parties and clubs for years. Glad it over for me.
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
It’s not easy. That’s what I’m doing these days and it keeps me off the road.
@PR-BEACHBOY
@PR-BEACHBOY 9 күн бұрын
I was the lead singer in a band. We were pretty good (pretty good ain’t perfect) we were invited to be on a Dick Clark TV show back in 1969. Long story short we broke up before we were scheduled to fly to California and appear. Lots of people often said over the years that I should’ve stuck with it. (They were sure I was destined to make it!) I wasn’t that interested in show business because my gut told me it wasn’t a good life. I instead used my natural talent and became a salesman, manager, director etc in a long successful career that allowed me to perform in a manner that was much more valuable to society, my family and myself. I never regretted my decision to take a different path and the more I hear, read and see, the more I’m sure I was right! For every Taylor Swift, Elvis, George Strait, etc there are 10 million stranded, lonely, depressed wannabes or never beens out there! No thanks!
@badbrad
@badbrad 9 күн бұрын
I hear ya brother. Still would have been cool if you guys had done Dick Clark show. Imagine how cool when KZfaq showed up and you see yourself and your old buddies on that show.
@johnnyxmusic
@johnnyxmusic 9 күн бұрын
I’m glad you’re having a good life. Do you know many things go into having the amount of ambition It takes to succeed in the music business. If you have no regrets, you’re doing fine. When someone needs it so much I want it so much the adulation are they really want to be famous… I don’t know… I suppose some will make it. There are more important things than being famous. I mean it would be nice. I think to be able to just be famous enough to make a living. I think that was possible or more possible up until till… I’m not sure when, Maybe 20 years ago. When you could be in a band that travels around kind of a regional circuit and actually have people show up for gigs and stuff anyway, it’s kind of cool that you got as far as you did. It would’ve been cool to do the Dick Clark show.
@bobbydale1938
@bobbydale1938 7 күн бұрын
That was the true heyday ! You wish you would have tried ! Come on 😂
@sicknorenson
@sicknorenson 3 күн бұрын
As an artist nowadays, you’re in a ‘marketplace’ with much lower barriers to entry and much higher competition. This means you either have to be exceptional compared to all the talent around you and rely on art alone or be exceptional at business, marketing, etc. to propel your success that way. I am no business guru, but I see so many artists who lack even the most basic business knowledge. I think educating yourself on that front could help a lot more artists succeed. Like you said, hiring everything out is super expensive, but there’s a lot more you can do on your own nowadays than most people do (or are willing to do).
@badbrad
@badbrad 3 күн бұрын
Yes
@copperstaterocketguy1640
@copperstaterocketguy1640 6 күн бұрын
A band can make great money at EVERY SINGLE GIG....by offering to wait tables,clean windows,mow the lawn...etc...
@badbrad
@badbrad 6 күн бұрын
Good one.
@Ptpop
@Ptpop 5 күн бұрын
I’m am/was a gigging solo musician. …nowhere near the caliber of musician as you..Here in my town people expect me to play four hour gigs for $150. On top of that they expect me to know just about every genre of music. Omg a four hour gig with drive time is an eight hour day including setup/teardown time. Then they get mad when I don’t know any Taylor Swift or children’s music for their five year old snot Nosed brat.
@badbrad
@badbrad 5 күн бұрын
Yeah that is tough brother.
@toddetter2207
@toddetter2207 Күн бұрын
Audiences used to really appreciate us. Now they just don't give a shit.
@parkestanley2436
@parkestanley2436 11 күн бұрын
I see I'm not the only one who noticed this. Only way to play music is to have a good job, and play music on the weekends
@badbrad
@badbrad 11 күн бұрын
Your not wrong.
@graverunnerofficial6235
@graverunnerofficial6235 9 күн бұрын
Exactly Keeps it Fun !
@andymcnish
@andymcnish 8 күн бұрын
"And Harry doesn't mind if he doesn't make the scene. He's got a daytime job - he's doing alright. He can play the honk-tonk like anything, saving it up for Friday night." {Mark Knopfler}.
@parkestanley2436
@parkestanley2436 8 күн бұрын
@@andymcnish Yep!!!!
@Marshallstack23
@Marshallstack23 15 күн бұрын
Awesome video man!!! Just like the lowdown and the honesty. So good!
@badbrad
@badbrad 15 күн бұрын
Thank you so much!
@76Draeger
@76Draeger 11 күн бұрын
One of the many reasons Nashville is soon to be a ghost town. When no service industry people, not just musicians, from servers to retail workers can afford to live in a city, those businesses go away and the business owners go Brooke and the town/City dies
@badbrad
@badbrad 11 күн бұрын
I don't know how they will survive that is for sure.
@RemoWilliams-jg4yb
@RemoWilliams-jg4yb 8 күн бұрын
Pure Greed.
@RockAndDoubleBassWithAaronJoy
@RockAndDoubleBassWithAaronJoy 8 сағат бұрын
On the other hand, it won't die. As if that was the logic San Fran, Seattle, L.A., NYC would be dead. I lived in all but L.A. and it was seemingly impossible to survive. Being poor was normal, yet somehow folks still live in these places.
@76Draeger
@76Draeger 5 сағат бұрын
@@RockAndDoubleBassWithAaronJoy and each city you mentioned went through just what I described for a time until corrected. It won't due but it will become comatose for a time
@ScottStentenFilms
@ScottStentenFilms 13 күн бұрын
this is a great post the real deal, wealth inequality in the USA the greatest it has been in over 100 years, thank you for honesty
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@telemaster03
@telemaster03 8 күн бұрын
I seriously considered a career in music in the mid 1980s. Friends of mine in national touring bands were going through the same things then, though the economics were less at that time. I realized that the decision to do music was either for the pure love of music or for a shot at stardom, which was one in a million. The math simply didn’t add up do I pursued a career in banking with a credit union and now I pull in a great income, have a nice home and a wonderful wife. Now I know people in Nashville just scraping out a living with no insurance, no retirement and their family and relationships are in the past and broken. Their children are estranged and their health is poor and they live a life of regret. While I have admired their choices and secretly wish I was doing what they do, I’m incredibly grateful that I had the foresight to look at the choices without stars in my eyes. I have really nice gear and play out locally when I want to with people I enjoy. No regrets.
@badbrad
@badbrad 8 күн бұрын
I hear you brother and I feel what you're saying. It's been tough but I have my family and the love of my kid, so I am wealthy beyond what I ever thought I would be. I'm glad you're still playing! Best to you.
@kevinbaltes5710
@kevinbaltes5710 2 күн бұрын
I recently saw Luke Combs play a sold-out stadium. To think his band is making $300 each sickens me. Spread the wealth.
@badbrad
@badbrad 2 күн бұрын
I don’t know what Luke pays could be different
@TimAvenMusic
@TimAvenMusic 13 күн бұрын
Some good an real info in here! Thanks man enjoyed it!
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
Fan of your channel. Enjoy watching your journey. Thanks so much! Best of luck to you.
@dfromcool
@dfromcool 9 күн бұрын
I’m not a professional musician but I thoroughly enjoyed your insight. My wife and I had a small restaurant (1998-2002) where we did a few small Jazz festivals and booked in Jazz musicians on the weekends so I am somewhat familiar with the fact that making a living as a musician can be very difficult. Much respect to you! Cheers from California 🍻Subscribed
@badbrad
@badbrad 9 күн бұрын
Hey thank you for providing a venue to create art! You are a blessing. Cheers to you. I appreciate it.
@dfromcool
@dfromcool 9 күн бұрын
@@badbradthose were some golden days for my wife and I! We were able to have professional musicians perform and also gave many musicians at the University of Wisconsin, Eau Claire a venue to hone their craft in their early days. Thanks for your time and have a great weekend Brother!
@badbrad
@badbrad 9 күн бұрын
@@dfromcool Thank you so much!
@scottwalker6348
@scottwalker6348 12 күн бұрын
me n my brother been in the music business since 1978, playing gigs, never could make a living, we worked construction during the week, giged on fri n sat, now were retired, still playing, but still not much money, you gota love it to stick with it
@badbrad
@badbrad 12 күн бұрын
Yes you do.
@chrisnicholson3231
@chrisnicholson3231 11 сағат бұрын
I'm a Nashville native, live here again, but have lived elsewhere. Right after high school, I worked at Hewgley's Music Shop on Commerce Street, in downtown Nashville. Saw everybody come through there, from touring acts to dreamers right off the bus, all the way up to Chet Atkins. Used to hang out at Gruhn's and eat lunch with George. I've never tried to "make it" here. Just didn't want to play their (record labels, club owners) game. When I lived elsewhere, I could put food on my table and such by playing bars in a regular band. This was the late 90s/early 00s. Around 2010 or so, I was back in Nashville and one of 3-4 rotating guitarists in the house band at B.B. King's on 2nd Avenue. The bass player was the former sound guy for Skynyrd, survived the plane crash and everything. Everybody in the band had regular (non-music) jobs. A couple of the other guitarists got road work. I got paid nothing, but that's okay. I expected that and just wanted to play for fun. Parking was way cheaper then. Old classmate of mine is the drummer for a great local band with great (and I mean GREAT) original music. Everybody in the band has regular jobs. Every musician I know in this town has a regular job, or they teach. All the music executives live in Williamson County and have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, and McLarens though. Weird, huh? I keep a guitar in my office at work, play when things are slow. I hate this town.
@badbrad
@badbrad 10 сағат бұрын
Wow
@RockandRollRC
@RockandRollRC 3 күн бұрын
If musicians and techs keep signing on for low day rates, they will never change. And travel days should always be paid, as well as per diem
@badbrad
@badbrad 3 күн бұрын
I don’t think travel days will ever be paid. $35 per diem.
@peterkelly8357
@peterkelly8357 15 күн бұрын
Very interesting video. Thanks. I'm glad I enjoy playing the guitar and other instruments for the pleasure of it and not have to depend it on it for a living, especially aged 67! Good luck
@badbrad
@badbrad 15 күн бұрын
Thank you Peter. It's a tough business for sure. I appreciate it.
@user-cw6xy3ny4d
@user-cw6xy3ny4d 14 күн бұрын
A lot of truth for free. This message is from experience.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Thank you! Yes indeed.
@repetitivemotion
@repetitivemotion Күн бұрын
Interviewer: Ritchie how does it feel to be a rock star? Ritchie Blackmore: I never considered myself to be a star. I just considered myself lucky to be in a band that was making money so I could pay the bills. This from the man who wrote Smoke on the Water and started one of the biggest bands in the world.
@badbrad
@badbrad Күн бұрын
That is amazing. What a legend.
@numbersabcdefg
@numbersabcdefg 2 күн бұрын
I have never had a surge proctor company ever pay anything, even if they can cover 200k-800k equipment plugged in. Zero ever paid. Zero.
@badbrad
@badbrad 2 күн бұрын
I’ve never heard of them paying…
@monmixer
@monmixer 13 күн бұрын
That video you ran on your intro is Jamboree In The Hills. That show started in 1977 and at that time it was biggest country music festival in the country. I worked at every one of those events. I managed that stage for about 25 years.
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
Yes that was an incredible day for me. Just an amazing experience.
@NickyV
@NickyV 14 күн бұрын
Great video. It's hard for sure man. I'm 31 and got here six years ago. Came to town recording for the first two years (mostly online) then an occasional bus gig. Bought my first house in 2020 (out towards Dickson) with overdub money. Then went on the road for two years and got away from it for all the reasons you mentioned. Now rent that house out and moved into Nashville which was a major investment in 2023 and not easy to make happen. No recording full-time at the house with some tracking sessions mixed in a few times a week. The price of Nashville definitely stacks the cards against cats that are trying to make a living on the road. I think it's crazy hard but doable for the cats with the skills, organization, and personality...definitely takes all three.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
It's tough for sure but sounds like you got a good head on your shoulders. Best to you bro!
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
I think at 31 I was still playing in a very dead Nashville doing $50 dollar gigs during the week and $100 on the weekends.
@NickyV
@NickyV 14 күн бұрын
@@badbradfiguring it out as we go. Love the channel man.
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
Thanks bro and subscribed to you as well!
@216Numbskull
@216Numbskull 13 күн бұрын
​@@NickyV No bout a doubt it my friend. It takes having all 3 of those traits & then some. Another big thing every musician needs who really want to be successful in the music industry is a relentless mindset with a never ending work ethic striving to make it. Even when a musician has everything it takes on their resume to make a career in music. It still takes a lot of luck to set you apart from the rest to be in the click with the big boys & girls. Just keeping it a buck here ya dig? 🤔🧐 So giddy up, you're on the clock. Tick-Tock! ++Peace & Rock n' Roll 4 Your Soul My Friend++ 🤘😜🤘
@smoodie1
@smoodie1 5 күн бұрын
I've liked and subbed to help your YT income kick in. Your knowledge is now your commodity brother!
@badbrad
@badbrad 5 күн бұрын
Man I thank you 🙏. The journey continues.
@DrMidnight-oz1rk
@DrMidnight-oz1rk 4 күн бұрын
I was a truck driver and drove through all the states and there are hardly any clubs or bars for bands to play in, and the ones that are out there nobody goes to them.
@badbrad
@badbrad 4 күн бұрын
It’s definitely changed
@SaltyDraws
@SaltyDraws 8 күн бұрын
It’s like being a writer, poet, painter, journalist, historian, archeologist. You need to have outside/family income to even pursue those type fields, or a patronage like the ancient musicians had from Kings.
@badbrad
@badbrad 8 күн бұрын
That would help.
@MrRamaman1
@MrRamaman1 8 күн бұрын
don´t you think the advancement of technology is/has killed the artistry of wanting to be an artist as you mention on your comment?
@rockdanger
@rockdanger 15 күн бұрын
Excellent episode Brad... dishing out a raw slice of T. The music industry is exploitive, preying on the dreams of young folks with stars in their eyes; maybe you can get by in your 20s sleeping on a couch without health insurance, but what does it look like for guys in their 40s, 50s, and beyond? Not a sustainable lifestyle to say nothing of the high probability of alcoholism or other substance abuse issues. Thanks for keeping it real!
@badbrad
@badbrad 15 күн бұрын
Man you hit the nail on the head with that one. That was me beating up the road at 40 with no health insurance and surrounded by alcohol. I got out alive and I am very thankful for that. In a much better place now and I don’t miss the road one bit. Thanks so much for chiming in and keeping it real.
@alfgwahigain5544
@alfgwahigain5544 14 күн бұрын
Yes - there are plenty of people making money on the corporate side of things. Musicians are always exploited.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
@@alfgwahigain5544 It's a tough business.
@CHOCKO895
@CHOCKO895 14 күн бұрын
I was thinking about health insurance also. Go bankrupt if you get sick
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
@@CHOCKO895 Was lucky to not have any issues.
@RussClarkRocks
@RussClarkRocks Күн бұрын
Relatable. 15 years ago I made enough to pay my bills and buy the gear needed with a little left over. Had to take cruise ship gigs to make ends meet starting in 2015. You’re spot on about needing a good helping of luck to succeed.
@badbrad
@badbrad Күн бұрын
Absolutely
@Stricknyne1
@Stricknyne1 9 күн бұрын
Great guitar playing in the beginning of this video! Thanks for this honest appraisal of the music situation in Nashville. I sure wonder what the future holds for music.
@badbrad
@badbrad 9 күн бұрын
Thanks so much. You’re the first to notice. I’m not Nostradamus but it’s not looking good.
@DiscoVette81
@DiscoVette81 13 күн бұрын
The reality is pay rates are determined by supply and demand. As long as qualified musicians are willing to take gigs at that rate, the rate will be the normal. If they can't find a willing musician at $300-500, they will pay more and raise ticket prices or not tour. Sadly the live music scene at local clubs died in the early 2000s. Used to play clubs in the middle of nowhere in Maine in the late 90's and get $300 plus the $5 a person at the door. We'd load in Thursday afternoon, play Thursday, Friday and Saturday at the same club, then load out Saturday night or early Sunday. Then host a Sunday Jam night at our local club. We'd pull $4k in 3 days for us plus $500 for the jam night (no door) which we donated to the bank to pay for the truck, gas and new pa and lighting equipment. $4000 divided by 4 people was good money for a part time job in the late 90's. Could never make it on that today. Even back then we all had day jobs at Daddy's Junky Music or Guitar Center.
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
Man I loved Daddy's Junky Music spent a Summer at Berklee.... That was great dough back in the day. Man you guys were doing good.
@DiscoVette81
@DiscoVette81 12 күн бұрын
@@badbrad It was, especially with low cost of living in Maine. Played clubs in Maine, NH and Mass. had an original band that played in Boston a good bit but we would make $150 for the set to dive 4 ways, lol.
@badbrad
@badbrad 12 күн бұрын
@@DiscoVette81 Now that's rough!
@Airwavetourist
@Airwavetourist 14 күн бұрын
Great video. Very informative.👍
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@luthravin4774
@luthravin4774 13 күн бұрын
Great honest explanation video! All pure TRUTH!! My singer and I a guitarist on the advise of a local big name Nashville producer..who we sent demos out to and who really liked our demos invited us out to said Nashville to record us…for a price of course..we both got the moneys together and we went from Oregon to Tennessee..once there I as the guitarist quickly saw what I was up against..in the local downtown bars the famous older bars was the talent I had always heard of..most seemed to be playing for tips.. earning dollars for studio time..which we knew in advance was no longer paid out by the producer unless you were a big name and then maybe..it cost the two of $16k for a three song major demo.. we met our producer and he took us out to the studio we paid him half before and the other half after completion..we had no clue just who the other studio musicians were going to be.. after introduction’s to the engineer and the two other players we started the demos..all went well as it was pretty amazing for an above average player..and then I found out why things cost so much.. during a break I was formally introduced to the drummer and bassist.. Craig Kramph and Gary W. Tallent from Springsteen’s E. Street Band.. good lord!! Well that was amazing ..we got our major demo ..but.. it’s as far as it went.. still have the songs they are still great..but we didn’t have the dollars to complete an LP…Nashville simply wasn’t for us.. period
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
I worked with Craig way back when I first got to Nashville. He played drums for a a band I was in. Nashville has changed so much now you probably wouldn't recognize it.
@luthravin4774
@luthravin4774 13 күн бұрын
@@badbrad I’m sure you’re correct!! He was such a nice guy.. and a true pro!! When you play with that caliber you are forever changed!! Like my Producer(who by the way was Neal James).. said.. how many people do you know who will ever have chance to play, let along record with those two musicians…yeah he was right!! When you get a shot..you have to take it!! But like you said “don’t quit your day job”!
@rodterrell304
@rodterrell304 5 күн бұрын
Some church musicians make more than or as much just playing on Sunday.
@badbrad
@badbrad 5 күн бұрын
You are absolutely right and I have played with a lot of those cats. Got offered a church gig about 12 years ago but I decided my talents were best served trying to heal the heathens.
@davidcollin1436
@davidcollin1436 4 күн бұрын
Have a friend w/multi platinum albums, the lack of gigs and screwy record company crap led to a Sunday church gig. Sounded like a loss after touring and gigs at top jazz venues. That Sunday gig paid more than any clubs, the congregation loved him so much they hired him for all weddings and they bought more CDs than any tours sold, all profit no record company. He bought a house and raised a kid as well and got international gigs from a church he never attended.
@jerroldshelton9367
@jerroldshelton9367 4 күн бұрын
Yep. I'm one of them.
@adamprice3466
@adamprice3466 14 күн бұрын
I remember going out to bar shows in the 90s to see rock bands and being shocked by how little they had. Bands that who i thought were already rich celebrities. I saw the band Korn in a bar, to me they were on MTV and all the cool kids at my school liked them so obviously they were rich. I watched the show then waited after to see if i could meet them and the guitarist immediately started asking me for cigarettes lol. Later they got even more famous and popular, hopefully they saw some good money.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
I think Korn did ok. I worked security in the pit at an Ozzy show and Korn was the opener. This was the beginning of their career. At that point in time the Nashville audience was not that accepting of their hybrid sound. But they worked hard and broke through.
@giannibadeau3344
@giannibadeau3344 4 күн бұрын
Love the honesty. Looking forward to watching more. Great info. Thank you
@badbrad
@badbrad 4 күн бұрын
More to come!
@thejawshop-AdventureRecording
@thejawshop-AdventureRecording 4 күн бұрын
good info, straight talking, One might even go as far as reconsidering going in debt for music school. I'm older now, done lots of touring, settled down to have a family, but somehow knowing this makes that decision easier. Being a muso is hard enough, but in todays climate, it is next level difficult. Thanks for this Badbrad
@badbrad
@badbrad 3 күн бұрын
Thank you!
@Automedon2
@Automedon2 2 күн бұрын
My nephew is a New York waiter with a master's degree in classical guitar. What was he THINKING?
@badbrad
@badbrad 2 күн бұрын
@@Automedon2 that's tough
@miketuttle9319
@miketuttle9319 14 күн бұрын
Have a friend who makes a living playing covers in bands, solo, duos, and a Beatles/classic rock tribute. Basically, the whole spectrum outside of touring. He is fortunate that he is married to woman with a well paying corporate job with the steady paycheck and benefits. Sadly, it seems that’s what it takes to survive in the business as you get older.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Man that is so true.
@sidalientv
@sidalientv 13 күн бұрын
Same here. I work giving tuition (guitar and bass) since 2008 in Germany. The things after the lockdown went down and down, many musicians came into the teaching area (most of them are good players but don´t have not a clue how to teach), the music schools hire personal on independent basis: You must pay your medical insurance and retirement from your own wallet. To raise 2.000 euros monthly you must take 4 music schools, driving each day to a different city, and with 50 - 60 uninterested students pro week the risk of ending with a burnout is knocking your door. My wife had a good salary, but it´s frustrating anyway.
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
@@sidalientv Man that is rough. Teaching requires alot of patience. Some players have none lol.
@sidalientv
@sidalientv 13 күн бұрын
@@badbrad I gave lessons in Argentina, Italy, Austria and Germany. In three different languages, and with three different notation systems (in the end everyone stays with tablature 😁 ). It´s simply brain draining, but I started in 1995 more or less and 100% pro since 2008. But I hate when new students come to me telling me that they had lessons with another teacher for 4 or 5 years and they still cannot put the hands properly on the instruments....... "What for a swindler gave you lessons, dude?" I think. And the worst nightmare is giving online lessons.
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
@@sidalientv Wow! I've wondered how the online lesson thing works.
@kerrybarnes7289
@kerrybarnes7289 13 күн бұрын
I was playing in a cover band in the 80s-90s to 2012, 5 - 6 nights a week. I bought a house in a fairly good neighbour hood in Sydney , Australia paid $126 thousand in 92, now its worth 2.1 million (insaine). I got out of the music business at the right time. a musician would be lucky to play 2 night a week today.
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
Wow bro! Glad you made out ok 👍🏻
@leighsayers2628
@leighsayers2628 10 күн бұрын
@@badbrad no normal wage earner here in Australia will ever qualify to buy a house ..let alone rent one ..now ordinary houses are 1 million plus .. Australia is stuffed .
@badbrad
@badbrad 10 күн бұрын
@@leighsayers2628 I am so sorry to hear that. I've been really watching what is happening down there and it not good. I hope the people can bring some change.
@leighsayers2628
@leighsayers2628 10 күн бұрын
@@badbrad watch battle ground Melbourne ..you will see what they did to us ..
@Automedon2
@Automedon2 2 күн бұрын
Going way back to the 70s, there were so many clubs around that you could make a living doing the circuit of the clubs just in your own city. Now, even the successful bands that are always booked all have day jobs. It's like a hobby with a bit of side money. And I'll say, there are very few younger musicians. They're all seasoned veterans.
@badbrad
@badbrad 2 күн бұрын
seems Nashville has got alot of young players....
@MrDirtydaves
@MrDirtydaves 5 күн бұрын
I’ve had a full time job for nearly the last decade of me gigging on top of it. I know several full time musicians locally but all the money to be made is solo gigs where I’m at. It’s a vacation area so “in season” I play 3-4 nights a week now(I used to do a lot more and burned myself out). It probably averages out to $150 a gig, some more, some less and that doesn’t include tips we get. I’m pretty happy where I’m at now. I have a pretty simple job that gives me a lot of scheduling flexibility and some weeks are still pretty busy but overall I’m satisfied where my profession is these days.
@badbrad
@badbrad 5 күн бұрын
That is great!
@billholt174
@billholt174 8 күн бұрын
I'm a musician, but not for a living. Nashville cats -- "...thirteen-hundred sixty-two guitar pickers in Nashville,'' though I don't think that's the actual number in the lyric line. 😄I was in Nashville with my nephew just before Christmas of 2008. We were in Hendersonville, too. For no good reason I 'groomed' my moustache to resemble Hitler's, and we got some curious looks from the older local folks at the restaurant there when we went for breakfast. 🤨🙃I think I shaved it all off later that night. Ha! My nephew got a candid picture of me walking along the road in the rain, in front of Johnny Cash's old house. I 'titled' it "I Walk The Line". 😆 Music City is probably one of few towns where the number of players somewhat assures that you'll find a lot of decent live music. I'll go to shows and have a good vibe in anticipation of the gig, but I honestly don't go nuts over seeing live bands, unless I know how good they are, because so many are just 'okay'. On the club circuit, they fill a need. I say that as someone who appreciates what it takes to get out there and play, partly because I've done the set-up and load-out. Especially in light of the aesthetic changes in music that have rapidly appeared in recent years -- the Country genre, for a great example -- I really have limited interest in much modern output, and I have no abiding desire to ever set foot in Nashville again. The 'game' has just changed everywhere, as badbrad noted. I'm in semi-rural upstate New York, twenty-five minutes or so from Albany, and average rents in some areas aren't a lot lower than Nashville's. A fairly basic apartment in a cookie-cutter complex that looks like a hotel can easily hit $1,800. Mid-Covid, being relatively close to New York City, houses in my hometown area were actually renting for *_$15,000_* a month, and some even more. The sad fact is that people -- greedy landlords, essentially -- don't give a crap about your hardships. If you can't pay their price, they know that someone else not far down the line can and will. Not to be an ass, but if you're able to make due as a gigging musician, dong what you *_generally_* love, and not working a standard-type job that you hate, consider yourself lucky. Many people work crap jobs, pay as much for rent, and barely clear thirty grand a year, so... . Just sayin'. 🤔😛 As far as changes go, look at what Sweetwater and Guitar Canter have done to the 'Mom-and-Pop' musical instrument shops. They eat their own kind, as even venerated Sam Ash, with more than 100 years in business and many locations, is nailing the shutters closed. Different times, sadly, because I don't see the changes as being for the better. Look at the Van Halen poster of their first album cover. I was between 8th and 9th grade when that was released and slayed people. Gone are the days of major-label spending on studio time, gear, album promotion, tour travel and other support. Year-long or *_longer_* tours. Absurd contract riders. Joe Walsh's type of "I live in hotels, tear out the walls" existence. The superstar 'carte blanche' perks don't exist anymore, or at least not for many. As badbrad said in a comment reply, doing the music thing for the fun, artistic reasons is the right attitude to have. If you can keep the lights on by playing music, not by spending 40 or more hours a week immersed in pay-seeking drudgery, consider yourself blessed when you fork over that $1,740 for the luxury of having a roof and four walls, along with windows and doors that lock to keep out the dregs. 🤪
@badbrad
@badbrad 8 күн бұрын
Lots of truth here. It is always appreciated.
@johnnix-buskingwithoutasaf9821
@johnnix-buskingwithoutasaf9821 14 күн бұрын
Sounds like Nashville's bubble has burst!
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Quite possibly.
@HJW399
@HJW399 6 күн бұрын
Just discovered your channel , I live south of Nashville in Columbia, used to love going downtown for live music , now the crowds of tourist and parking problems hve made it a total nightmare, rarely go to live concerts at Bridgestone or The Ryman because honestly the ticket prices are too much after including parking. Im going to go back and check out all your videos, best of luck enjoy Florida.
@badbrad
@badbrad 6 күн бұрын
Thanks so much. I feel the same way. Ticket prices for the same show in other city’s are much cheaper. Downtown is a cluster!
@jbluesb3southside
@jbluesb3southside 10 күн бұрын
I feel ya brother it was bad in 06 so now it’s what it is ty for speaking up much respect🔥👍
@badbrad
@badbrad 10 күн бұрын
Thank you brother!
@cnilecnile6748
@cnilecnile6748 13 күн бұрын
The music business is a rotten corpse that died in the 80's and was buried in the 90's in a shallow grave. I still emits a stench, that will make you mentally ill if exposed to it, leading to starvation and homelessness.
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
Harsh bro!
@mane3763
@mane3763 12 күн бұрын
We figured out how to make 1500$ a gig by buddying up with promoter that sold pay to play gigs by renting sound system and chairs, we ended up take slices of all the bands ticket sales and a piece of our own ticket sales. If the bands knew we were partnership with promoters i know for a fact we would be dead😂. This works great becuase there are always bands that want to play at all costs.
@badbrad
@badbrad 12 күн бұрын
That's pretty ingenious!
@thevanburenagency6664
@thevanburenagency6664 6 күн бұрын
the problem is there is nothing wrong with this business model but for some reason pay to play is villainized. i mean realistically between gas , gear , van insurance etc you prob losing at least a $100 and playing for 10 people. why not pay the extra $200-300 and get to open for a real band and your friends will get to watch someone they actually want to see instead of your set for the 50th time and a bunch of shitty locals.
@mane3763
@mane3763 6 күн бұрын
@@thevanburenagency6664I agree this formula is villianizing bands that do that do this, for us it is a great opportunity be involved with the promoter and bar owners and to make some easy cash.
@edasner8959
@edasner8959 4 күн бұрын
Played 200 dates a year in my 20's and couldnt clear 15k. Very popular act. Still had to hold down part time work to survive and self promote on the road. All part of it. Thanks for telling the cold hard truth. Now working full time and have no time for music. Making 5x of playing out and still cant survive. Wheatgerm Campbell 2024.
@badbrad
@badbrad 4 күн бұрын
Man that’s tough. I salute you.
@IAWAF
@IAWAF 2 күн бұрын
Thanks for the insight Brad.
@badbrad
@badbrad 2 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@karmaandkerosene2885
@karmaandkerosene2885 14 күн бұрын
It's reaching the point where it makes more sense to put all your effort as a young musician into KZfaq and Instagram instead of playing live.
@badbrad
@badbrad 13 күн бұрын
For some yes.
@longsnapper5381
@longsnapper5381 10 күн бұрын
That's why country music isn't on my play list.Everyone is a hired gun. There's no band loyalty. U2 , The Rolling Stones, etc grew up together. They suffered and grew up together. Same line up(mostly) for decades. That matters to me.
@badbrad
@badbrad 10 күн бұрын
I agree with you there. I like bands and I like teamwork, but when the phone rings and you get an opportunity sometimes you take it.
@russellstewart5414
@russellstewart5414 7 күн бұрын
Do you think that the major act could have at least cut you off a piece of their healthy check. I mean at the price of tickets they could just but one less thing and spread the wealth a bit. Selfish pricks
@Mr_Clean
@Mr_Clean 4 күн бұрын
Foreigner doesn't have a single original member.
@longsnapper5381
@longsnapper5381 4 күн бұрын
@@Mr_Clean Uh-huh. Foreigner was formed in 1976 and was together until 1990 or so and continued off and on into the early 2000''s..The current "band" calls itself Foreigner but has no original members although I saw them about 5(?) years ago and Mick Jones was with the band. Your statement is akin to saying "Mars is called the red Planet". That is to say, it has no bearing on this conversation.
@Mr_Clean
@Mr_Clean 4 күн бұрын
@@longsnapper5381 this guy's comment was talking about hired guns. The current lineup of foreigner is basically all hired guns
@timothymorgan764
@timothymorgan764 8 күн бұрын
First let me say that I really enjoyed this video; it is eye opening. I always thought that touring musicians made very good money. I played guitar at my church for a lot of years, none of the musicians got paid. But, I just enjoyed being able to play every Sunday with a great group of musicians. Thanks again for posting this video.
@badbrad
@badbrad 8 күн бұрын
🙏
@dreambeliever3652
@dreambeliever3652 4 күн бұрын
The key word you said that’s the problem: the MACHINE! I’m 50 now and one thing I’ve realized… do music because it’s your dream and maybe someone will bite. But… most people will have you chasing the carrot on a stick and before you know it… your old. Just have peace and stay happy. Life’s so short
@badbrad
@badbrad 4 күн бұрын
Then when u taste the 🥕 it’s sour.
@dreambeliever3652
@dreambeliever3652 3 күн бұрын
@@badbrad yeah. An illusion
@badbrad
@badbrad 3 күн бұрын
The grand illusion
@403digital
@403digital 14 күн бұрын
Real talk.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
🙏
@kellyklingbeil5802
@kellyklingbeil5802 14 күн бұрын
Musician and home ownership "normal life" are as far apart as mars and earth. Oh and a pension and benefits for your old age..... That's on another galaxy.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Seems so now.
@jerroldshelton9367
@jerroldshelton9367 4 күн бұрын
I'm a musician. I own the home I live in.
@franknorwood
@franknorwood 14 күн бұрын
I enjoyed watching this and hearing your stories from the road. Sad that actual talented musicians are paid so little playing for big acts. As a lousy drummer for a service club act (VFW etc) in the 1980's I made $100 - $150 a gig. They almost always threw in free hamburgers and fries too.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Man that’s pretty good dough and free food! My experience in the late eighties and early nineties playing the big name clubs. Sometimes we got two pizzas and some beer and no $$.
@batmandeltaforce
@batmandeltaforce 5 күн бұрын
Yup, I did nothing but music for 3 years. You have to love it. Now I use my art talent to make a living, and music to make fun:)
@badbrad
@badbrad 5 күн бұрын
Whatever works right! Best to you
@SMOKINJOE2898
@SMOKINJOE2898 14 күн бұрын
It’s sad as a sob when artists like Luke bryan and Aldean who obviously make at least a million per show and if they’re paying their band members that crappy per day then that is total BULL$HIT & pathetic on their parts.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
I’m not sure what those guys make. Some of those artists take care of their guys and I know some of their band members but I’ve never found out what they make.
@SMOKINJOE2898
@SMOKINJOE2898 14 күн бұрын
@@badbrad i hope they are taken care of, that’s just crazy to know that some make so little and being away from their families for a while like that.
@TwistedRiffster
@TwistedRiffster 4 күн бұрын
@@SMOKINJOE2898the unions that were supposed to protect the session and touring musicians screwed them most. Ask Leland Sklar
@leighsayers2628
@leighsayers2628 11 күн бұрын
Australia has way over the top rents ..700 a week plus ..not to mention food ..fuel etc ..many homeless here .. From Australia...no longer the lucky country .
@badbrad
@badbrad 11 күн бұрын
I’m hearing that a lot from our friends down under.
@leighsayers2628
@leighsayers2628 11 күн бұрын
@@badbrad absolutly ..the gov destroyed this country ..criminals
@crucifiddle
@crucifiddle 14 күн бұрын
Really enjoyed your video Brad! 🤠🤠
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
Thanks so much!
@gregory5671
@gregory5671 4 күн бұрын
My sons band is on the road( tour) for second time this year, playing 6 nights a week for the month, 4 piece, make 125-150$ each a gig, bus broke down in upstate New York two days ago, and stranded them, they still have the rest of the gig dates to fill this month, it’s a heat wave on the east coast, they started a go fund me and got over 5k, first day, enough to get finished and get ready to go back out in July for 20 days on a festival tour across Midwest. Ahhhh, to be young, bottom line, you got to love it, it’s a passion not a job, Blessup
@badbrad
@badbrad 4 күн бұрын
Yes so true!
@johnsauer9067
@johnsauer9067 14 күн бұрын
First, go to trade school and become a plumber or electrician. Second, play open mics and farmers markets on weekends - for fun. End of story.
@badbrad
@badbrad 14 күн бұрын
That’s sound advice for a young’n
@user-mn1bq8kj7x
@user-mn1bq8kj7x 17 сағат бұрын
Back in the late eighties I worked as a salesman at a Mt. Juliet family owned music store and made 160$ a week. A one bedroom apt. was 350$ at the time. Nearly 3 weeks pay just for a apt. I ve played with some of the worlds most famous people and was booked into Shea Stadium with Charlie Rich. Paid the same as a backyard local wedding gig.150$ a day no per diems. I ended up going to graduate school at MTSU and Vanderbilt. Greed is an Evil Thing!!!
@badbrad
@badbrad 11 сағат бұрын
Wow man! Love Charlie Pride tho.
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Waysberg Music🇰🇿
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