Inside the Abandoned Farmhouse of a US Family Broken by Tragedy

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6 ай бұрын

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STORY
Step into the abandoned farmhouse of the Begen family and explore the story of their enduring love, shattered dreams, and enduring legacy.
Gilbert and Camille Begen met in high school and fell deeply in love. They dreamed of building a life together on the family farm, where Gilbert would follow in his father's footsteps and pursue his lifelong passion for farming.
Their dream came true, and they raised two beautiful daughters on the sprawling lands of their home. But tragedy struck when Gilbert began to suffer from medical problems due to overwork. He eventually became unable to work and passed away shortly after.
Camille was left to raise the children on her own, but she was a determined and resourceful woman. She worked tirelessly to keep the farm afloat, and she instilled in her daughters the same strength and resilience that she possessed.
The Begen family home is now a silent witness to the passage of time and the fragility of life. Its crumbling walls echo with the laughter of children and the footsteps of a loving couple. But even in its decay, the house still radiates the warmth and love that once filled its rooms.
In this episode, we enter the Begen family home one last time to pay tribute to their story and to bring their legacy to life. We explore the abandoned rooms and uncover the hidden secrets that lie within these walls. We also meet with the Begen daughters, who share their memories of their parents and the life they shared on the farm.
Join us on this journey as we explore the abandoned farmhouse of the Begen family and discover the enduring love that binds them together, even beyond the grave.
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@susanfuller9942 6 ай бұрын

I am a 74 year old widow and take care of my severely disabled 50 year old daughter. I rarely get out of my house so you two almost feel like family. Also since 1969 when I explored a 1986 victorian house, full of stuff, exploration of anything has been my passion. When I was married in 1972, my dear Hubby frowned on my wanderings and then I had four children and put the whole Kibosh on the whole thing. In 2005 we bought a piece of property on a private lake and then I had the whole reach of the woods and mountains to explore. "WOW" what a lucky woman am I.

@ahill4642 6 ай бұрын

I’m glad you can explore online, at least. The internet brings the whole wide world into our home. What a busy life you must have had with four kids. Thank you for sharing your story with us. ☺️

@patriciamariemitchel 5 ай бұрын

I got married in 77 and had 4 children that filled up my life. I appreciate this channel, Bros of Decay, because I can trust them to have a lot of historical content with abandoned places, without all the haunted house hype some of them have been known to pursue. An electric bike can take you all over the city and you'll see things you've never noticed before. My Lectric Trike has a 60 mile battery, a 400 lb weight capacity, and it's half the price of any other one on the market. I use Maps to plot my path wherever I want to go, and it's more fun than you can imagine. The first thing I did was to seek out all the steep hills I used to struggle with, and go up them effortlessly.🙂 God bless you and your family. I speak words of life and health over your precious daughter in the name of Jesus. Let her be made whole now in Jesus' name. Let your last days be filled with more life and love than you can imagine, in Jesus' name.🙏🙌❤️‍🔥🙌🕊️

@theresadimaggio7241 4 ай бұрын

God bless you

@QUEENofHEARTZ1973 4 ай бұрын

Ma'am I pray you have help in the care of your daughter, that your not alone, my mother is 76 and I'm 50, disabled, but GOD has allowed me to be able to still get around, and yet still go check on mom, I pray your children appreciate you and your home, and may it never falls to heart break like all these homes lost in history. God bless you for taking care of your daughter, even now.🙏🏻✝️💜

@mawmawd627 6 ай бұрын

Danny MUST experience ice skating. Please film it when he does! 🎉

@rachelpiche7134 6 ай бұрын

❤ agreed

@teenaerwin2317 2 ай бұрын

Yes, he does! We had a pond by our house growing up, and we had so much fun and spent as much time as we could skating all day and again at night. We would have a huge fire that we could warm up by. Love the memories and miss those days!

@hopeayton3461 6 ай бұрын

It's so sad the children or grandchildren didn't take the house on or sell it when it was in good condition it looks like it would've been a beautiful home

@ahill4642 6 ай бұрын

At the very least you’d think they’d take the letters and pictures. 😊

@beverleywheeler 6 ай бұрын

I think people should be made responsible for their property and if they don't,then the city should take it over and fix it up and make small apartments and rent it to people who have no place to live. Better than letting it just rot out

@sutterpark 6 ай бұрын

If I had the money, I would rebuild it and make it to a beautiful home once again!

@donnagervais8948 3 ай бұрын

I couldn't believe it when I saw that you went to see this house! I've been watching for a while now, but this house is literally on my street! I pass it everyday! But you were here! On my street! How crazy!

@carolslivorski4236 6 ай бұрын

The second kitchen is a summer kitchen. At the side and end of the house to keep the heat out of the main house during sumer heat

@clairevagonis1873 6 ай бұрын

How are you so young? yet you appreciate such old things that amazes me

@thatdellguy 6 ай бұрын

Camille died in 1995 at 88 years old. Main house built approx 1800. Pretty funny how Zillow has this address estimated at $285k. The house next store is estimated at 763k. Pretty pricey area for an abandoned house.

@urbeximals 6 ай бұрын

Zillow is a bit strange with their prices, but, most of the time it for the land the house is on, not the house itself. So the condition of the house doesn't matter. Plus it's only their estimated guess.

@daren7889 6 ай бұрын

Since this house is in Massachusetts , that's exactly why the price is so very high! You are paying for the land! Location, location, location! 🤔$$$$$$$$$$🇩🇪🇨🇭🇺🇸💙🌊💙🌊💙🌊💙🌊💙

@charlesschmitt3775 6 ай бұрын

The paneling looks 1960s. Caved in kitchen looks like an addition. Love some of the furniture. ❤

@Sarah-bell 6 ай бұрын

Those Glendale vintage oven ranges are worth thousands of dollars like around 💲8000 for the good condition one

@augustcanyon3438 6 ай бұрын

This house is an absolute treasure and has some amazing furniture in it that could easily be restored. Anyone who purchases this house would be purchasing a labor of love and a showpiece for the area.

@kieribama 6 ай бұрын

Newspaper from 1985, that's when I graduated high school. 😮 I can't believe the lights still work! That's crazy!

@RetroCaptain 6 ай бұрын

Means that homeowners insurance in effect. Not "totally abandoned"

@susanwaltman2607 5 ай бұрын

I also graduated high school in 1985.

@BrendaDawson56 3 ай бұрын

Add me to the 1985 graduation as well 😊

@belindaivins6427 6 ай бұрын

Jim Ward was an American painter born in 1931. His paintings were collected by many people in the US. Sometimes they would sell for $300-$800.

@noniehayes6050 6 ай бұрын

Oh I know! I saw the painting and about fell out of my chair! That is not only a vintage piece, but one that would go for $3000 to $5000! I can’t believe how loved ones just leave items in a house like this. Even the childrens pix and so on….

@clairevagonis1873 6 ай бұрын

That stove can be refurbished. It’s worth money.

@clairevagonis1873 6 ай бұрын

Being so young, how did you get into this?

@willyegger4488 6 ай бұрын

Hey dear Lesley this was apparently a quite challenging explore in that amazing house somewhere in the USA. This kitchen with the caved in floor was really looking dangerous. On the other hand I loved seeing the living room and the bedrooms, which were still so far intact, that you could imagine the former owners returning at any moment - legit time capsules! - Once again I can only admire the excellent camera work from Danny. Danny and you are a true dream explorer team. It's always so exciting to listen to your conversations, when for instance Danny is drawing your attention to a detail, you might not have seen. - It was also so touching to see all these personal items, like some photographs, showing memorable moments of the former owners. Very touching for me was to see how emotional you were, when picking up a photo with a small child. - Ah Lesley, your sensitivity is adding a lot to the unique quality of your videos! Wonderful, bro! You are simply the best! Wishing you fullheartedly all the best, peace, many hugs and kindest regards from now rather rainy Switzerland.

@COMPOUNDCOLLECTIVE 6 ай бұрын

At 19:45 those are called warming ovens. It is where food is placed to keep warm. Often times it was the homemade bread or pies.

@dionhonnell703 6 ай бұрын

So the second kitchen is the winter kitchen. They would keep the stove burning all day as a heat source. That round metal piece above it is to put the stove pipe in. They put it there to cover the hole.

@SharonJones-ql8oy 6 ай бұрын

The kitchen with the wood burning cook stove was most Likely the Original Kitchen when house was built. The more modern one was definitely an add on

@kathikeneasterrichards5099 6 ай бұрын

I was thinking maybe the 2nd kitchen was a summer kitchen, which is where they would do all the vegetable/fruit prep and Canning. I used to live on a farm that had a separate building for Canning. It had a stove, sink and a big long table down the middle. I used it when canning season rolled around every year. This kept the heat from the hot water bath (3.5 hours for green beans to process) out of the house. All of the Amish have 2 kitchens in their homes. They have no air conditioning ( neither did our farmhouse), so they typically live in the basement in the summer where it's much cooler. Just my thoughts on the two kitchens. Great job Lesley & Danny!!

@judyparsons1657 6 ай бұрын

Thanks Leslie and Danny for the video and I hope you are feeling better soon Big hugs to both of you

@lavernhall7535 5 ай бұрын

Welcome to the US and we hope you come back more often💙

@bearfog07 6 ай бұрын

Hi Lesley and Danny, What an anomaly this house is. Really old stoves and yet some modern light globes AND the power is STILL ON! I thought they only did that in certain parts of Europe! 3 sewing machines and two kitchens, not to mention more than one TV, which back in the day meant you were quite wealthy which I assume they were, being farmers. Thanks, guys xxx

@debbiestoyles1141 6 ай бұрын

Hey Leslie and Danny. The stories on these homes are so sad

@kskollections2142 6 ай бұрын

Great to see y’all made it to the USA! What makes me the most sad about old abandoned homes is that they leave behind family photos! I also hate to see all the old sturdy furniture left to rot and crumble! That was a cute little farm.

@ritafoster8625 6 ай бұрын

Yes, Sunday with two handsome explorers We used to get new skates every christmas

@patriciamariemitchel 5 ай бұрын

They were real bunnies, known for multiplying quickly. We had one when I was a kid.

@crowznest438 3 ай бұрын

Yes, I'm sure they were selling young rabbits. I remember as a child my parents buying peeps that had been dyed bright colors somehow and sold at Easter, along with bunnies. Sad for the peeps though, because as children we didn't know how to properly care for them and happily, that practice was outlawed.

@janetjensen3870 6 ай бұрын

I love the part that lights are on! I could hardly believe it! Great show! ❤

@kthstefani 3 ай бұрын

I don't get that. I would think someone would have to be paying for the electric.

@CMcKinnon1013 6 ай бұрын

Yes, you both are die hard exployers. Much ❤to you both 😊 Love from AZ-US

@camcadams1 6 ай бұрын

A home being passed down from one generation to the next. The home sitting so close to the road would indicate that the state at some point either purchased from the property or the owner could have donated property for the easement of the road. Thus the seperation from one side of the road to the other. Your exploration through the home was so kind and caring for the family and yes, many times people do just leave a home full of items and there's usually a reason.

@marlonneal7381 6 ай бұрын

I believe they leave some pictures and other personal items, so their story could be told.

@yousifmusa98 6 ай бұрын

شكرا لكم على هذا الفيديو الرائع.. للأسف ترك مهجورا هكذا يتقادم مع مرور الزمن.. تحياتي لكم من العراق 🇮🇶

@brandimr23 5 ай бұрын

I was just staring at the vintage sewing machines, thinking I wish I could get my hands on them and restore them. Those machines were in pretty good condition and seen a lot worse. It's amazing what sewing oil and elbow grease will clean up on an all metal sewing machine. They are better than the new plastic ones.

@monicabernhardt6611 6 ай бұрын

Aquí, hola desde Uruguay! El cuarto donde está la máquina de coser y los espejos debe haber sido un cuarto de costura, con los espejos para probarse la ropa..

@melissakuipers7034 6 ай бұрын

What a masterpiece discovery. I love you guys❤.

@thelindazoo 6 ай бұрын

So many wonderful things in there! I have a lot of those same antiques! It’s amazing that there’s power!

@lemarquesse23 6 ай бұрын

Hey! You're not far away from me! Hello from West Springfield, MA!

@thepreachermansalgado9029 6 ай бұрын

We also love learning from you here in the United States. The piece you call a sewing machine "head" we call a "foot" cool

@fearaday_5873 5 ай бұрын

You are a good vibe, your demeanor and attitude are happy, other KZfaqrs make the video scary with suspenseful music… you are looking at it… a different way…..a positive one

@saiprom 6 ай бұрын

Beautiful home sad to see it got abandoned lot of memories going to be gone forever soon, thank you for sharing

@marcellaallard6282 6 ай бұрын

I’m from MA I’m glad to see you here

@xavierbauer9993 4 ай бұрын

There was a room behind the door where the calendar was hanging you missed. Good job showing the house.

@leightowe9632 6 ай бұрын

I'm so impressed Leslie and Danny how you do this every week. I have to say l get very emotional when l see the forgotten lives of these people and l for one you thank you both for xxx bringing them back to life even if its for just a short time xxx

@Hillontop 6 ай бұрын

In the USA we would call her the Farmer's wife. If it is only a woman she would also be a farmer. Please never open the preserved food. Love the videos.

@tracidavis8991 6 ай бұрын

why never open the preserved food? I'm only curious..lol. Women are FARMERS! Amen..

@prudentlyathome 6 ай бұрын

@@tracidavis8991 Because of the age of them they would be full of botulism, which can be deadly.

@TUBESPECIFIC1 6 ай бұрын

@@prudentlyathome It looked so vile I cringed going oooh yucky. No way I'd be opening nor taste testing.

@tracidavis8991 6 ай бұрын

@@prudentlyathome thank you..

@griselhernandez1909 6 ай бұрын

Hi!!! You are doing a great job. For me is such a good way of being busy knowing places that are unreachable to see and visit. You give me that opportunity. Thank you . Keep going!!

@margaretwallace1578 6 ай бұрын

I have watched you and your brother for a long time. I always enjoy your explores. Wish I could have met you when you were here. Thank you for everything you have given us since the beginning.

@cactiish 6 ай бұрын

Lesley and Danny, please be careful you scare me,these homes are so unstable nature has already taken over. You are wise to explore in pairs in case one of you get hurt the other can get help! Keep the videos coming I don’t miss one. love you guys be safe ❤Fl. USA

@ForbiddenChocolate 6 ай бұрын

Danny, on behalf of mothers everywhere, thank you for stopping Lesley from doing excessively dangerous things! 😅 I'm glad there weren't too many sentimental items left behind on this one. While that leaves a lot of unanswered questions, it means that the family cared enough to collect most of the photos and other family treasures. 🩷 Thank you both for another great exploration!

@jyothiganesh2622 6 ай бұрын

Hello Lesley n Danny. Beautiful exploration. Thanks for taking us into a lovely home. It was so funny to see you got stuck in between thorns Take care guys

@judyrocks1000 6 ай бұрын

The mirror in the living room is so that when Camilla sewed herself new clothing she could see if it fit correctly. She had a Singer sewing machine to make her clothes.

@vandanerisgomes9009 6 ай бұрын

Muito triste ver casas tão bonitas e abandonado desse jeito muito triste

@cindyoberle5596 2 ай бұрын

I love your videos. My Father always had "wanderlust" and so did I. I'm older now so its not so easy, but I can experience it through you, Danny and your crew. Thanks to all of you.

@lljohnson9249 6 ай бұрын

Omg, So cool your filming so close to me. I love your videos, been watching from Rhode Island USA for a couple of months. Your Passion, patience and storytelling is mesmerizing as you explore these magnificent homes is a treasure. I love how you compare the homes & items from other countries as well. It’s truly sad so many home’s decay because of broken hearts. Thanks for sharing your obsession to explore the broken past that sits quietly in many countries. ❤😊Remember to Be Safe

@elizabethkeen9916 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for yet another wonderful video Lesley.

@davespoemsandsongs9497 6 ай бұрын

Hello Lesley, great video showing me Abandoned Farmhouse it must look beautiful back than I'm always interested in your videos

@SRay-or3nc 6 ай бұрын

I just can't imagine why electricity is left in that house. I know that must have been a very big surprise. I really enjoyed seeing this old place as I have never spent any time in Massachusetts. The further south you go in the US you probably won't find Catholic items. Even for me being from the US, this seemed a little foreign. I am amazed that the family didn't update there furniture. The bedrooms looked so old. (Not that that is a bad thing) It seems this house was frozen in time before anyone ever left.

@twobrokeguyz1214 5 ай бұрын

I've been wondering about you guys! Glad to see you again! Great explore!

@libertygiveme1987 2 ай бұрын

They're NOT "Horse Riders," they're COWBOYS!!!! HaHa!!!! LOVE how respectful you guys are to property and the interiors of these homes!!!!!

@denisewatson5295 6 ай бұрын

What a great old farm house. I hope that both of you will feel better soon. ❤❤

@azzamarwan5476 6 ай бұрын

Thank you Leslie and Danny for such a beautiful 🤩💕 video and I hope 🙏❤️ you will get better soon ❤❤ I enjoyed the video so much 🎉🎉 stay safe and happy 😁

@nancyyonce2906 6 ай бұрын

GOOD SEEING YOU ON HERE !!!

@mariasalete7589 6 ай бұрын

Parabéns pôr mostra essa relíquia amo seus vídeos obrigado ❤

@caos6358 6 ай бұрын

Thanks.... Have a lovely day...

@anncodec 6 ай бұрын

The early nineties was the time to can,we had alot of rain and annual flooding the fields were overflowing with high yields it was a magical time.

@user-lb9ci8xg6p 3 ай бұрын

Kel belle maison je vous regarde très souvent c très intéressant très bon reportages 😊😊

@grandinosour 6 ай бұрын

That is a balloon framed house. They are very strong, but fire traps. Balloon houses have been known to actually tumble across a field like a tumbleweed in a tornado and are still built in hurricane prone areas with fireproof modifications. Even if someone totally remodeled this house to be livable again, they would never be able to get insurance on it due to the balloon frame. A fire starting in the basement would run up the insides of the wall all the way to the attic in a matter of minutes.

@HobbyOrganist 4 ай бұрын

"A fire starting in the basement would run up the insides of the wall all the way to the attic in a matter of minutes" By the time a fire dept arrives on the scene of pretty much ANY house fire, the house is a total loss anyway, it only takes minutes and by the time someone sees a fire and calls it in and the firefighters actually get on the rigs and start driving its too late to do anyhing more than keep the fire from spreading to adjacent houses or woods

@donnabeasley2796 6 ай бұрын

Thank you Lelsey

@fruitypie3219 6 ай бұрын

❤Love your videos ❤love from England ❤❤

@marcellaratliff1304 6 ай бұрын

Amazing Video.

@Vrindavan82 6 ай бұрын

Wow very beautiful and amazing sad

@billb5749 6 ай бұрын

Thank you Leslie and Danny. A new video here, and another yesterday at Danny's ES Forgotten. A wonderful double feature for the weekend! You guys make such beautiful and fun videos. I always feel like I'm there with you. Just a minor detail, the music for the last 2 montage and the closing seems to have dropped off. A very minor point. You guys get well. I can't wait till the next adventure!

@Stephster11 6 ай бұрын

Sad to see this well built home deteriorating. Also, someone is definitely keeping the electric on. They would have shut it off long ago!

@joangravel2436 6 ай бұрын

Thanks awesome place I enjoyed watching

@anjodewit4524 6 ай бұрын

Mooie video. Heel veel beterschap samen

@leobower9041 6 ай бұрын

Awesome video

@michelleevans5531 Ай бұрын

We still do food preservation here. People made fun of prepping, but when covid showed up....People took notice and started thinking it wasn't such a crazy idea after all. Stores went almost bare. People need to eat.

@griselhernandez1909 6 ай бұрын

See you in the next adventure. I had a very good time .

@marianavarro3111 5 ай бұрын

Great video it's crazy to see the lights go on 💡 welcome to America guy's 👍😃

@sharonwashington8150 Ай бұрын

Sad, as the saying goes here today, gone tomorrow no more pain only sorrow.

@elainemarten 5 ай бұрын

I often wonder when the kids go away and the home is left standing, why don't they take the furniture and things in it, even if to sell it, but it seems strange that everything is just left standing, like someone is going to come back home any time

@markjeffreyederango6842 3 ай бұрын

❤❤❤.. love it....

@jocelyndizon4657 6 ай бұрын

So sad, thevhouse alone now, wondering, why they left, the beauriful house, whos CNN full of memories, im so emotional😢

@wordswords7339 6 ай бұрын

I just can't imagine why the kids didn't keep all the photographs and mementos. Kind of sad having those abandoned.

@vizionara 6 ай бұрын

You have a great job

@crystalburton9412 6 ай бұрын

I've missed you Bros

@michaelcoffey7362 6 ай бұрын

Good video 😀

@LindaBinks-xd2hh 6 ай бұрын

Get better soon xx

@gibsonphilippines4901 3 ай бұрын

thats sad bro watching from philippines

@lindaneff7245 5 ай бұрын

Amazing

@marleneferreiradearaujo7009 6 ай бұрын

Essa casa teve uma familia linda obrigado por esse vídeo gosto muito❤

@wendylou8963 6 ай бұрын

Oooo melmac plates! I have the same ones in my home 😂 love to see that

@bartkuipers 6 ай бұрын

Prachtig , super gaaf dit moet zo blijven , hier is nog niets gesloopt

@melissakuipers7034 6 ай бұрын

Mijn naam is Kuipers. Bent u in Nederland? Ik ben in Amerika.

@bartkuipers 6 ай бұрын

@@melissakuipers7034 België woon in Sint-Truiden

@melissakuipers7034 6 ай бұрын

Ah Belgie. Okay. Bedankjuwel

@Becky3392 Ай бұрын

In many farm houses there would be 2 kitchens. A summer kitchen and a winter kitchen. Mostly it was because of the heat and cold. If you are canning it can get very hot .

@catmother4214 4 ай бұрын

Great to see you in the United States! Hope you enjoyed it as much as we enjoy your videos. ❤❤❤

@justinerogers8696 6 ай бұрын

Dear Lesley, I miss the background music that you usually play but thank you for another wonderful video ❤❤❤

@COMPOUNDCOLLECTIVE 6 ай бұрын

At 4:38, that was most likely an old chicken coop.

@evaklaassen4907 6 ай бұрын

Super Video! War sehr interessant und unterhaltsam! Liebe Grüße aus Deutschland

@user-le1mt9ej4f 6 ай бұрын

Leslie and Dan,thank you very much for your wonderful videos,I enjoy watching,coming from a country with land issues,many families can't afford to own a house,I always wonder,is it really possible to abandon a house??.. Following you,from South Africa 🇿🇦 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

@lisahicks4697 5 ай бұрын

I ll admit haven’t been able to keep watching but now I’ll play catch up good to see y’all surviving well

@Christina-sl264 6 ай бұрын

It’s so interesting seeing these time capsules! 🩷Thanks for letting us explore vicariously through you. 🙏

@WyomingWindy 4 ай бұрын

The sewing machine is a 1967-68 model 348. The television you showed at 21:32 was a self-contained console TV. They were considered an actual piece of furniture. Was not a cabinet built around the TV by owner. In last kitchen,l - the Glendall - was a wood or coal burning stove. The cabinets at the top were not for storing anything. They were warming ovens, keeping something warm if someone is late to supper, placing pie in etc if you want it warm for dessert, etc. It is so sad heirs were not able to maintain it; could be that there was no work for them. I am going to guess the family left because someone noticed the seriously broken floor joists. COULD have been repaired, but in 1980's would have been very expensive. USA spent most of 1980s in about 3 different recessions. Family farming had mostly become corporate. I'm guessing a very sad story towards it's end. Wonderful video.

@noniehayes6050 6 ай бұрын

Thanks again Bros for a great vid! I however am shocked to see that Jim Ward painting left on the wall……! 😮

@griselhernandez1909 6 ай бұрын

You have to be very careful!! It is really a cool exploration but take care

@lastdaystrumpet5608 6 ай бұрын

Awesome job and explore guys! I am wondering if the doll house was modeled after “Leave it to Beaver “ tv show from the 50s-60s USA? It resembles it to me. Thanks again guys and stay safe! Many blessings! 3John 2 Ferd ❤

@socalrockergal3727 6 ай бұрын

I don’t understand why family pictures are left behind. You would think the kids or other family members would take the pictures with them. Who owns the abandoned homes? Do they go back to the bank or I wonder why family members don’t sell the properties left behind? Another great video from you two! 👍🏼

@clarice4426 6 ай бұрын

I know, right? Unless the family was dysfunctional, why wouldn't they take the pics and stuff like the sewing machine?