I put this together from your inspiration. I found that you don't need all that auto setup. Daisy chain the tanks, put a valve on the output, set the valve to about half the input (may take some tinkering) then put a germ sensor between the tanks linked to a cut off right after the valve. With the reduced output there is enough time to clean the germs in the tanks. So fill the tanks with your liquid/gas. Setup your chlorine input (automated or one time). Pump the chlorine in and give it time to clean the tanks. Then connect the output and let it go. The only maintenance is to adjust the output valve if you add a new or increase the source.

so for the lavatory system: since you can control when the dupes go to the toilet, just make sure that they don't go during one half of the day (if you work with shifts), then use a clock sensor to flush the lavatory tank that is immersed in chlorine right before the first bathroom breaks. If the food poisoning takes less than half a day to die off this should be enough to do it, although you can get some more time to kill it if the dupes have their bathroom break at the same time. That means more lavatories though...

Yo this thing essentially works like a heart with 2 chambers.

Liquid cleaner after seeing this vid: "I guess ill die"

Total time to remove all the germs isn't half time x2. If you had 1024, after 11s you would have 516, after another 11s you still have 256 and so on until it reaches 1 and deletes. That is why it slows down A LOT when it's in low numbers. if you want to know how long it takes, do log2(germs) and multiply by time (10 times in cae of 1024 so its 110s). Also, difference between 10k and 50k germs is only 22s

So you could say that oxygen is now indeed included

I spent hours perfecting a morb oxygen farm where I pump oxygen in 2 different rooms depending on time of day and using wheezeworts to cool the oxygen down so the slimelung dies, and now you can do it in less than a minute with this? Damn ;(

Feels like a bug, why should air impact contents? These tanks are not air tight? Also I'm assuming you have to be careful of air germs to not contaminate your storage. Seems counter intuitive.

I mentioned in that same video the use of cold temperatures to kill the germs. It's easier on the research as you only need wheezeworts, and some gas plumbing.

Nice editing, I greatly appreciate being able to actually SEE the intellectual process happen with the quick cuts from "lets do this" to "hmm ::stares:: what am I going to do" to a deletion of the current previous thought pipes xD. It allows people to see that those who come up with the great blueprints don't just "know" what to do, it's a process of figuring it out; and it also helps to learn how the different automations are working with each other.

Now watch Chlorine disinfecting gas/liquid storage contents be unintended by the devs and patched out. Muahahaha.

you could probably make steam turbines more effective by using the containers to build up the charge and then release it once it is full and the steam that is wasted will be recycled into the system by gas pumps or water pump (if it turns to water during the processes).

Hey man. Awesome video. I was just thinking on making something like this. I thought "hmmm memory toggle, two reservoirs... and some stuff". But as I went to develop the idea I was getting a headache, then found your video, and you saved me a lot of time. I am sure behind the scenes there was a lot of thinking not filmed :) You earned as subscriber! A quick note though. Germs grow on polluted oxygen, and die on oxygen. Wouldn't it be faster to deodorize the polluted oxygen, then pump the oxygen, maybe with a mechanized filter to make sure, then into the gas reservoir system?

"Look how happy they are!" [! hypothermia (3)]

I've been playing around with this design, and I came up with a notable simplification. You can do it with just a single tank, without the possibility of getting the decontamination loop stuck, if you continue the pipe past the input of the tank and merge it (with priority) back into the input to the whole system. Then you just set up a pipe element sensor on that overspill path which resets the s/r latch which controls the input-side shutoff when there's something in it, which can then be set again when the element sensor in the main loop says the pipe is empty, as in your version. It is important to make sure the overspill pipe is long enough (after the sensor) to contain all the overspill that makes it through before the input shutoff kicks in, but if you make sure of that, it's perfectly robust. You can still, of course, use a second tank (in the chlorine or not) to let the input keep moving while the decontamination is happening, but it doesn't need any automation involvement, and you only need 2 shutoffs so it's slightly more energy efficient, and definitely more space efficient. It's also worth noting that the germ sensor needs to be set to "below 0" not "below 1" since "below" actually means "less than or equal to". If the next thing you're doing with the output is cleaning it into a substance that will slowly kill germs anyway, that 1 germ doesn't matter, but if you're storing the polluted stuff long term, that 1 germ will multiply and infest the output tank, so it's important to get it right. Yes, I know this video is old, but the relevant aspects of the game haven't really changed, so I figured I'd post in case anyone was interested.

Not sure if you still get to that method but you could also just run the cleaning while inactive. It would pump the reservoir for like 300sec then gas element sensor output from the geyser so when it stops you have a output from the gas tank with a pipe germ sensor into a "never contaminated storage“

For the water automation, I use a two stage polluted water tank and heater. Heat the first tank up to ~70C, then once it gets close to full, shut the input down, use a germ sensor to monitor the amount in the water and then use doors under the tank to dump the hot cleaned polluted water into the secondary tank. This has a pump and goes into the sieve. Sieve cancels a good chunk of the heat out and then I use any number of options to cool that a further 10-20 degrees (Often using the thermal cooler thingy immersed in the first polluted water tank so the heater does not have to work as hard.

This is a nice system. Very clean ; )

Assuming that you can wire something to be active once the tank reaches a certain fill % you could probably wire it to close the input for a duration while it sanitizes/empties and then open it back up once the gas is transferred out.

It also dies slowly in oxygen, unless there's been a recent patch change. If you purify the polluted oxygen and then just let it sit for a while eventually it becomes clean.

Awesome design, and yes, the same system works perfectly for Polluted Water vents as well!

Doesn't slime lung die in clean O2?

This really makes me appreciate that storage tanks now have automation.

In our “real life” The cap of Gems is 1.000.000.000 per gram/ml Mostly

All you have to do is hook a buffer gate up to your original sorter loop before you built the injector. This way the pipes will fill and then it will wait x seconds to turn off your intake shutoff allowing the tank to fill. This easily replaced all of your injector automation. I hope this helps anyone with only a small amount of space and materials with this build.

this got way complicated, way fast. At 14:00 why not just put in a Bridge from the pump into the loop so if the container is full of germy air it just doesnt allow more to come in with the bridge then the loop can still run until some of it is clean and able to leave, which it should do till its about empty then itll fill back up with germy air again. Edit: I see the flaw in my thought process for it being full/empty as a container, but it will still keep the container side from backing up as it'd prioritize the existing loop. I will run this test tomorrow night and add in my findings

Now our water treatment wont involve massive amounts of heat. Pretty sweet.

It's like a better slime distiller! Conveyors could suck slime out of a puft farm (if you have enough water) or slime deposit area and deposit it in the polluted oxygen geyser chamber to increase the polluted oxygen input for this system :)

The realization that you no longer have to boil and cool water.

Brothgar: "see look how happy they are" Deups: **gets hypothermia

the system may get jammed randomly in cleaning loop (depending on how you build it). When gas is comming from charge tank while cleaning loop still cycling, the game then may decide to give the flow priority to gas flowing in cleaning loop over the gas from charge tank. And if that happens on the first cycle there will be not enough gas in cleaning loop to get some in a tank - therefore, gas will not get cleaned and will cycle endlesly. It can be fixed with a small adjustment, but it will cost some efficiency

Could you make a set of still blueprints (ie screenshots in the various modes) of the automation, ventilation, power, etc structures at the end? That would be really helpful for understanding and reproducing it. :)

have been trying to clean germ water for a few days now, and have tried to follow other people's instructions, and still get germs in my output. so hoping that your system will work. your instructions were a little more clear ... so wish me luck!

You can have 3 or 4 buffer storage tanks in series and control the output of each tank using the value and controlling the amount that goes out. The slower it goes the faster air or water gets cleaned. This won't need any power and we don't over use the resources.

This will work as long as the superflow tank( above) has enough charge to fill loop below OVER capacity of pipes. If it does not, gas/liquid will cycle through pipes, not hitting tank - no cleanup. At the least you need either buffer gate on output valve from top tank, or manual switch to allow dupes to make system work/restart.

@Brothgar Then it comes to gas/liquid flow the green exit takes second turn. Imagen a pipe like you had in the video. When gas runs by the green exit, the green exit can only pass the gas if its free. This means you have a T crosroades where the incoming streat need wait and the main road have the priority. I hope you understand what i ment

I'm so getting this game. I do feel the devs should patch chlorine outside a container cleaning the contents of a container, but it should be possible to pump the chlorine into the tank along with the polluted air, then vent the cleaned contents into a large room, allow them to separate due to density, pump the air out for further cleaning, and the chlorine goes back into the tank to clean the next load. The same should be possible with polluted water, but the current game mechanics may struggle with pumping chlorine gas into a liquid storage container. On the other hand, a room is a liquid AND gas storage container.

this video has given me probably the single biggest advance in my play, being able to clear a swamp biome, pump the excess oxygen into a little chlorine tank, and fill my base with that sweet, sweet oxygen. LOVE IT

And, all the system for 80g/s of oxygen (this geyser produce this average). Yeah, not very useful, but for clean sewage it is so much useful.

if you know how long it takes to kill the slime lung in a full tank why not put it on a timer instead of a loop?

Does it work in pipes too. Just a long snake of pipes. Though they did say the stuff in the containers should be completely isolated. So I suspect the chlorine effect might get patched. Regarding bridges and whatnot. You can use a bridge to add a source into a loop without making the loop stop. That means once the loop is completely filled the source will stop and the loop keeps going.

19:21 Gas element sensor before your bridge on the left up stream. If detects gas shut off valve up stream. Boom fixed. Wont need over flow. Or all that extra pipe.

Probably be cheaper with some of the more exotic components to just use a time of day sensor to dump a holding tank into the purification area after emptying the purification area into another holding tank.

A comment on valve-sensor setup. When used as filter, you may want to put sensor right before the valve as it's activating during next tick. I.e. when your sensor sees no gas right now (and zero germs), it opens the shut-off immediately, letting through whatever packet is sitting right before or in shut-off's output.

the liquid storage is great for the metal refinery it balances the temps o he liquid and plus its just efficient when it comes o filling the refinery and emptying it, the same setup for the oxygen system filtration can be used but with liquid shutoff valves and liquid pipe temp sensor. Brothgar i would love to see the system for the latrine edit: missed a t for metal LOL

with shutoff valves and timer device you would have all u need for a reliable disinfection,it takes 30W and is very easy to set up

You could easily make an automatic disinfection system with a staged setup. The first stage is initial storage, you throw all your polluted material into a "dirty" reservoir during the day. The second stage is a "Clean" reservoir in the Chlorine room (You could also put the dirty one in the Chlorine room as well, to start the work early and make it more likely that the clean reservoir ends up pumping out clean materials.) Also have a timer that records when "Evening" starts. Evening starts precisely a number of second before night starts equivalent to the duration of night. Here is the cycle. All Germy sources flow into your dirty Reservoir at all times. When Evening starts, the "Clean" Reservoir pumps the entirety of it's contents out to an accessible location (If your system is using such quantities of material that it is not clean by this point, then create a logic circuit that staggers this every other day and use more reservoirs). When night starts, the Clean reservoir stops pumping out, and the Dirty reservoir begins flowing into the clean one, stopping again in the morning. The net result of this cycle is that every evening, a "batch" of freshly cleaned material flows out, and a new "batch" is loaded into the cleaner. The two reservoirs are kept separate because otherwise you'd end up constantly adding more germs, and never end up with a 100% clean material to pump out. One is a sort of capacitor for the other.

I challengend myself into trying to make my own version of this before watching the video. I used a single tank and a ghetto overflow sensor before the tank made with a bridge and a branching pipe with a liquid element sensor. Came out a monstrousity using two memory cells and a messed up logic, but it worked decently. Than I watched your video and damn you made it so elegant. Great design, I tested it also with liquids and works as expectedd.

... You could basically compress it down to one reservoir in this case. Just copy the upper "charge" tank to the lower one, and you have a cleaning system that requires a little less in resources. If you're going to build a charge at the source, then yeah, all you need is one reservoir tank to clean. Why would you need an element sensor, though? No other element would interfere with cleaning polluted oxygen, especially from an infectious vent. The germ sensor would be enough to flick that switch. I think there needs to be an inline pressure sensor for gas/liquid pipes so you can actually build a charge via automation.

Really? That complicated? I just put 4 purifiers around the geyser and set the gas pump to work to a very high pressure setting (around 5k grams), so that the purifiers had time to work. Yes, a bit of slimelung gets into my base, but the system has been working for around 300 cycles already and no slimelung infection in any duplicant for the moment.

I know it's Brothgar's memnotic for remembering how an S-R Latch works, but wouldn't a light-switch be an XOR gate? (if you switch either switch in a room, it will toggle the lights). An S-R Latch would be having an "on" button and an "off" button for your light: you don't have to hold the 'on' button down to turn the lights on, nor do you have to hold the 'off' button down to turn the light off. you just hit the "on" button and if it wasn't on it turns on, and when you hit the off button if it wasn't off it turns off.

@brothgar you should only need 2 shut off valves 1 germ sensor and 1 gas sensor to create a system that will clean all the gas you store in the system

Good job on the automation design for infections polluted oxygen vent. Awesome. I do feel that next update should have a storage full automation signal out of the liquid and gas storage tanks

As high up as they are on the tree - don't those have signals the way smart storage does? Then you could turn off input when it's half full.

You could simplify this with 3 clocks, 2 tanks and a gas pump and shutoffs. Load one while it’s loading the other is purifying, then unload the first, purify the second while you reload the first. Sure it’s not absolutely efficient but it’s smaller, just as automated and in both cases and your limit on the system is the volume of gas you can pump in a cycle no matter the method you use.

For dirty water you can heat it up making steam and dirt. Then automatically pick up the dirt. Use a steam turbine to cool the steam to water. Then send the water to your cold side room to bring it to a good temp. Then you will have dirt and cool water from dirty water.

Hello brothgar just passing out to say OH MY GOD THIS IS AEWSOME, now no more heating the water to killing germs and then colding it again. And by the way just did another coment saying another possible test that you could do that i did and found out amazing

I had a setup using polluted water and the machine that cleans polluted oxygen and outputs clean oxygen. The proplems came when the duplicants went in and breathed it. Eventualy carbon build up inside and for some reason was considerd lighter than polluted oxygen itself so it couldn’t clean the polluted oxygen anymore. I even found small amounts of unbreathable oxygen?

I hear a lot of people say "absorbing coldness". Heat is energy, so you're radiating this energy into a less energetic environment. You're losing heat not absorbing coldness :/

This method doesn't work when the input slows down - e.g. water from toilets. Eventually you have a small amount of dirty water/gas looping endlessly in the bottom chamber and it doesn't get clean because there is no enough to sit in the container. I had more success with two chambers that open their shut-offs once a day to move sitting water along. There is also the problem that a tiny amount of dirty water/gas can get through - but i think that is rather a bug with the germ-detector than this method. I think Klee need to use a mechanism where a small amount of Chlorine can be consumed to make water/gas clean.

I have had moderate success using a Clock Sensor, what I was doing is filling one tank during the first half of a cycle, then filling another tank during the second half of a cycle. I found that 3/4ths into the cycle, the first tank would be completely free of all germs. I then spent the last 1/4 of a cycle emptying the tank, I was only able to empty the tank about 80% in this amount of time though, but this setup only needs three clock sensors, three valves, and no logic elements.

Amazing! Been watching most of your vids, you are the best of all the ONI video makers. But...Because this particular video was so AWESOME... I subscribed !

This video is awesome. Just yesterday I tried to do this in my current playthrough but I'm still really new to the game so I was unsure of how to do it.

hey brothgar if you take a gas bridge into the bottom loop before the germ sensor then you have the one kg packets and restrict the flow (and just now I just thought that is dumb nevermind but if you can make this work then you are a god of duplicents)

Might want to add a buffer to set signal; otherwise you run the risk of getting backed up since once the tank is clean, it doesn't seem to dump all the gas in one cycle; so perhaps if no gas is detected for 2 sec? Also if possible all tanks should be in the CL.

Dude 2 valves one in one out and just time sensor...

Wow thanks! This is really useful for me because now I can remove all the germs that remain from the water distiller thing or whatever it was called so now I can use same water for food AND toilets etc.

I’ve found out this applies to the water tank too so I’m planning on making a treatment plant to sterilize water. Once I get some plastics

Still works? Sounds like a bug

You are very efficient. Thank you for getting to the point quickly.

You can actually use a timer on the gas pump. 150Kg gas capacity implies 300 pump seconds. Once the system clears, you have a signal which opens the shutoff and empties the system. Once the system clears, you send that signal to clock cycle automation that runs the gas pump for less than 300 seconds; you might have checks to make sure that the pump has enough gas to make it worth it and enough power. Summary, pump turns on for less than 300 seconds when system clear signal is sent and when the atmosphere around the pump is above a threshold value (minimum is around 31.25g per tile of the 4x4 pump area). Also, obviously the ideal would be to calculate the gas pumping rate to the size of the source rather than the size of the cleaning cycle capacity.

Have you concidered the single tank setup with a valve for the de-germed pOx connected to the germ sensor and the pipe content sensor hooked to a memory cell , which is connected to the intake valve but also to a timer of let's say 30 seconds, which resets the memory cell?

Watching you logic this out was fantastic.

I feel like since the change rate for being in chlorine is -100%/cycle, it'd be easy to just have a time delay to activate a pump, and then a cycle later empty the tank. Add more tanks till you have enough volume/cycle.

I was under the impression that this mechanic has been in the game a while and also consumes the chlorine eventually. Since the geyser is already so hot, would it not make more sense to just use heat to kill the germs?.

At 21:12 instead of measuring charges, would be easier if you just put a buffer/filter gate on the line of the element sensor that is already built.

is it possible to empty bottled liquids in reservoirs ?

why not just directly bring the polluted oxygen with slimelung directly to deoderizer, then pump the oxygen from deoderizer to base? Slimelung cant survive in oxygen.

Hey brothgar, can you send me the .sav file for your ultimate automatic challenge base? Thanks!

now you need to get those oxalite producing pufts, scoop it up, transport the solid oxilite to storage.

I’ve never played this game yet I’m watching this entire video, I was kinda expecting it to use heat to purify the air when he showed all the temperature stuff, just making the room the polluted air vent is in suuuper hot to purify it there and then just pumping it along a system to make sure there’s no tainted elements left behind

YO! KISS is your answer. Create a main loop around the air resivour , with your germ-sorting-gas-shut-off and a gas valve to throttle the output of the gas tank by half. the use a gas bridge to tie the infecttion vent gas pump to the main line just after the germ-sorting-gas-shut-off. It gives priority to the main line as they merge, but it shouldn't be a problem sense the 2 halves would combine to 1000g at most and fit in the pipe.

you know you can do this without automation if you know your consumption rates of your systems. i tend to use one tank for my kitchen one tank for each farm end even one for my washrooms(no looping although you still could. but its mostly for the manufacture and usage of the pwater). if the system only uses the water periodically they self maintain the fluid levels in the chlorine rooms. these are fed by a main storage/decontamination room that have about 6 storage tanks giving plenty of time for these to clean before consumption. if the 6 are running at full capacity they will kill any incoming germs within the first 4 tanks. the germs only transfer a % of their germs when transferring between full containers, the first incoming tank will get a full amount of the germs and each tank will take about 10% of the germs of the previous tank. once the germ count is less then 1k it wont even transfer to then next tank .

that moment when you realise that a buffer gate in the 19:37 design would have worked just fine

The exact same blueprint can be applied to water, but note that the research three for this automated build is pretty large as the germ sensors require plastic, which require oil refinment, which require you to go down to magma. A good compromise for early game, since you have to treat waste water early on, is to use a single reservoir, with an intake and and output shutoff valve, put the same loop as he has so you dont get germ water stuck on the output pipe. Then have both valves signal to a manual switch, this way you will be able to control the water In and Out manually. Since you dont have the germ scanner yet, YOU are the germ scanner =-) so when your tank is germ free, open the output signal =),

One thing you forgot about the tech tree is the germ sensors require plastics and those requisite techs.

couldn't you use a setup where you have 2 tanks where each tank will only take input while the other is outputting and it will only output after being disinfected. I think that might be less complicated.

Can’t you just make a long back and forth pipe in the chlorine room that can ensure that it hits negligible by the end of the pipe?

Brothgar since you know that a pipe has a maximum flow rate of 1kg per second why not just use a buffer gate´s to hold the income open for 150 seconds. That way you would have your 150kg load of slime inside the gas tank plus a little bit reserve since you have that flow loop?

what you need is a way to stop the reservoir from outputting until it reaches a certain capactiy. Is there no way to automatic the output so that it only happens when the tank is half full?

Why not use a Timer and 2 Tanks? Fill 1Tank switch after a certen Time to fill Tank 2 and while tank 2 is Filling Tank 1 Disenfect and can clean Then switch to Tank1 and Repeat

Please make a blueprint for a self-sustaining dupe room, I made a comment on another video about how you might do it.

just make a clock and let the gas only flow in the morning. during the day you let it get cleaned and during the night you let it out?

You could do this with three storage bins for a continuous flow pretty much. If you pump the germy oxygen into tank A constantly, it'll keep going until full. If you figure the time it take to fill up, you can use a timer to swap the flow between the other two tanks. First you pump gas from tank A to tank B until B is full. Then close the link to A and let the gas go from B to C. While tank B is draining, A is filling up again from the source, and both the gas in tank B and C are killing germs. Once all the gas is in tank C, close the link between them and re-open the pipe between A and B. By this time, C should be germ-free while B is filling up again. Just dump the gas out of C at that point and you have clean oxygen. Source->A->B C->Filtration Medium Source->A B->C Filtration Medium Basically just swap between the two above configurations on a timer, tuned to how long it takes to completely drain gas from one tank to another. You might get some germs passing all the way through on the first run of it, as air will sit in the pipes between the tanks and not get cleaned, but once that's over with it should work just fine. Probably not the least expensive way of doing it, but it's a lot less complicated to set up. (Just one timer and a NOT gate, and your automation is done.) You could also just not have tank A probably, but this way the gas gets stored pretty much constantly, and provides a buffer in case of a power outage stopping your pump or something. Maybe you launched a rocket and jettisoned your oxygen source into space. That would be bad. :P

been trying to figure out a way to make my aquatuner set up fool proof and then I remembered this video. you are going to make my 5 hour trouble shooting simple lol instead of a germ sensor i'll have a thermal sensor that will see if the water is cold enough. this way I cooldown the water in batches instead of all in one line and accidentally sending a water packet that is too cold into the aquatuner and breaking it. plus this will keep the flow of the cooling liquid to keep moving instead of stagnating when its waiting for water to cooldown before getting put back in.

do you need a closed room for chlorine to work? or can i have an open pit of polluted water and have the gas sitting on top of it?

Isn't better first to convert it to clean oxygen and then remove germs? And also you should put third tank to chlorine.

Ever thought of making a quick little diagram for your logics? This video is not the first one where I had to pause to catch up :D Would be way easier to follow, especially, when you cut out stuff inbetween :) Like these informatics diagrams for describing classes, I'm not sure how they are called in english, maybe state diagram? Anyway, there are a ton of free tools for that and if you don't want to get into an nwe program for that, paint would suffice, too, I think. For this circuit it would be something like this in diagram form: if switch on -> close upper (system) else open upper if upper not full -> enable switch if lower not full -> switch on if lower germfree -> open lower else close lower And there we go doing some light coding... Honestly, I don't get why they didn't call this Memory Toggle a Flipflop and I always trip over it in my brain :D

How did you manage to put those thing in the box room without digging the minerals around it?

this is nice but if the devs decide to remove this solution. how efficient would it be to kill the germs by heat while using the same or similar set up?