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I'll never forgive the Browns for passing on Brady. They could have destroyed his career and saved me a lot of headaches.

Hue Jackson coaching both teams seems like a deciding factor.

Jamarcus ''I watched all the tapes coach'' Russell alone will put us in the top spot for many years to come.

The Lions were terrible until recently. They kept drafting TEs in the 1st round that they eventually get rid of.

The Raiders are so bad at drafting that they had the pick just before a future Hall of Famer 4 times in a span of 5 years: Ed Reed, Larry Fitzgerald, Aaron Rodgers and Calvin Johnson. That is just unbelievable to imagine all those players being on the same team.

*Raiders players keep getting DUIs* Mark Davis: "We need to move this team to Las Vegas. That'll fix it"

You forgot to mention that the Browns decided to trade back from 6th overall in 2011 letting the Falcons draft Julio Jones.

I went to Gustavus Adolphus College and I never knew that a NFL team was dumb enough to draft one of our players. It's a division three school

Let's not forget that the Browns were so smitten with 34 year old QB Jeff Garcia that they felt no need to draft Findlay, Ohio (about 2 hours out of Cleveland) native and Miami of Ohio star QB Ben Roethlisberger who only went to have a 26-2-1 record against said Browns

The year Kansas City beat the 49ers in the Super Bowl, both teams combined had about 10 former browns players, just to show our incompetence as a team.

I miss having Al Davis drafting for the Raiders, he brought such unbridled chaos to Draft Night, you never knew what was going to happen

You forgot Maxx Crosby for the Raiders' late round gems. Dude is an animal.

What about Browns traded their 12th overall to Texans in 2017 which picked Watson and then 4 years later traded a farm for him

I noticed you neglected to mention Jacobs and Crosby It doesn’t make up for everything but they are good enough to be mentioned

Is odd how Raiders can sweep Denver after drafting poorly.

The Browns worst decision ever was when they passed on Big Ben and took Winslow in 2004. That was their biggest mistake ever. I never count any team passing on Brady because every team, including NE, passed on him 6-7 times. But Ben was right there, an Ohio kid no less, and they decided TE was the better route. And he then went on to make their life awful for almost 2 decades.

Loving the more Balls Deep content you’ve been posting recently! I like your normal breakdowns but I feel like with these you get to show your individuality more. Keep up the good work!

As an LA based Ram and recovering Raider fan, I shouldn't like this channel, but I do. In fact, I like it a whole lot. Keep up the great work!

To be fair, a lot of the draft busts might have fared significantly better if they weren't in completely dysfunctional franchises like the Raiders and Browns. And all of those HoF players they could have drafted quite likely could have been ruined by the surrounding incompetence.

Being a Raiders fan is hard 😮‍💨

It's actually a subtle question: do players suck because bad teams draft them, or do bad teams draft players who suck?

As a Bengals fan, I have really grown to love and appreciate all the football teams in our wonderful AFC North. The Ravens and the Steelers are time honored winners with grit. No I don't think it is weird that we have a 3 team division.

"Trent. Fucking. Richardson. It is TRULY a sight to behold. Like a horrific car crash." Tree, 2017

As a Steelers fan thank you Browns for letting us have TJ, much appreciated and check is in the mail.

I think it's possible to tack the Bears on there for all their draft whiffs

Fact Check: Both Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson won the NVP before Baker did. In Week 5 2021 for Allen and Week 3 2022 for Jackson.

You put out my favorite sports content to consume, going through a tough time right now and watching your videos brings light to my day, I appreciate ya

as much as I agree on the utter incompetence of my Raiders during nearly every year's first round, I think you shorted us REALLY hard when you mentioned "later round gems". Including Kirk Morrison means the 3rd round was in play, but no mention of Maxx Crosby?? That was probably our best pick in the entire timeframe this video covered lol. AND Nate Hobbs was a 5th rd pick!! In nooo way do I want to come off as defending the Raiders as some sort of paragon of great drafting. Faaaar from it. I just think our ability to pick the good players of any given class where they *should be* taken is completely FUBAR and has been for decades now. But on the flipside, I'd argue we can, and do, find gems/late round talent at an average-to-above-average rate compared to the rest of the league. The draft is a complete gamble, especially after those first couple rounds, and we have actually won that bet more than I'd expect to. But that gamble is supposed to pay off huge if/when you do hit because, in theory, the first pick or two should be near guaranteed to be pieces that truly build your team. Since we've made a tradition of whiffing on those rounds, our late gems dont actually end up paying off very well, as they just end up needing to fill in for the gaps that should have been stepping stones filled by our early rd guys. Maxx ends up just being what our #4 pick shouldve gotten us, but they picked Cle Ferrel instead Hobbs ends up just being the ONLY good DB on the roster, despite the prior 5(at least) straight high rd picks on DBs like Arnnette, Mullen, Conley, Abram, Joseph, etc.

Honestly the Lions are also up there in terms of worst drafters if you exclude the last couple of years. Brad Holmes has turned it around, but it was really bad for a while (but they have certainly hit on some picks too)

Don't forget the Browns not taking Big Ben, grew up a Browns fan. And then Ben having more wins in Cleveland than any Browns QB until Baker

It's funny since an old clip has been going around about Merrill Hoge talking with Stephen A Smith and Skip Bayliss about Johnny Manziel. Hoge said he would be bust and anyone who took him in the first round would regret it heavily, while Skip trumped up Manziel as eventually being better than Brady.

Bottom 5 team that yours hasn't beaten in three years 😉

I love these Balls Deep episodes, really awesome work!

i''m really enjoying these balls deep uploads, keep em coming boss!

I laugh so hard as a kid when the brownies drafted Brandon Weeden it was so hilarious

I actually played against Ryan hoag when he played at gustavas adolphus. He was a burner for a d3 player

15:10 There's Gabe Jackson again after his accidental cameo on GPS yesterday ;-) Great episode everyone :-) To be fair Phil the Power Taylor has more world titles than Tom Brady.

Before watching this video, I’m gonna say the Browns are worse at drafting. Despite the Raiders drafting Jamarcus Russel at one point, they did draft some sort of QB stability in the form of Derek Carr. This is compared to the Browns and their infamously long list of failed QBs. I’ll edit this after watching the vid

Lifelong raiders fan here: Crosby, Jacobs, Hobbs, Renfrow are literally the only four even halfway decent draft picks we have had in the last 4 years, with two of those years having multiple first round picks from the Mack/Cooper trades(2019 and 2020). Moral of the story: In the last 4 years, it’s not up for debate. No team has even sniffed being as atrocious at drafting and developing players. I hate it here.

The sad thing is these two teams have die hard fanbases that will show up to their games no matter what they do. These owners make a ton of money without having to put anything back into the teams

Brandon 'These two teams are never ON the clock but rather off it' Perna

Two major names you failed to mention for the Raiders. Josh Jacobs and Max Crosby.

I don't know what is more impressive. Browns and Raiders consistently missing on draft picks, or Lions drafting much better comparatively yet still as bad of a team

Good work from Tom's assistant.

Moral of the story, quit using the Cleveland Browns as reason Lamar should get paid

I mean, I know it isn't enough to really tip the scales in any way, but Maxx Crosby (4th) not making it to your late round gems for the Raiders seems strange.

9:15 Russell isn’t the only QB mentioned in the video who didn’t watch any tape

There is no chance my college got mentioned @ 4:03 !! I had no idea anyone from here went to the nfl, so cool!

the browns suffer from a total lack of expertise at the ownership, GM, and head coach level for most of the years since 1999. that is simply too much to overcome. they had ONE guy that actually knew football in all of those years, GM john dorsey. im not saying dorsey was perfect, but the overall talent level of the browns was rapidly rising while he was GM. but the rest of the organization didnt know football, and so they ganged up on him and fired him. then they hired yet another rookie GM in berry and yet another rookie coach in stefanski, and the talent level is now in full decline.

relatively new to the channel. the drawn logos crack me up every time

7:00 It was disgusting how Stillers fans tried to defend that cheap shot. Just as bad was the Browns sending McCoy back in the game when he was clearly out of it.

Especially at quarterback, Drafting in the first round is way different than later rounds. The natural desire to acquire the best available talent can easily turn your attention (as a team with a pick) from aspects of fitting in the scheme and potential to develop, as well as personality. And it looks like some gms know how to deal with this pressure, and some will prefer to get some assets for it. Because a lot of the teams who fail their 1ts rounders still were quite successful with picks from later rounds. Again, i refer to qb's

As a Raider fan I dont even need to watch to know the answer is the Raiders

You've neglected one very real possibility. It may be that these many players who were drafted before Hall-of-Fame-level talent had the same potential as those drafted after them. It may be that the Browns and Raiders do recognize talent just fine, but they also squander it. It may be that some of these draft busts would have had legendary careers if they had only landed on a team that wasn't a dumpster fire.

This…. Is premium content sir 🔥 Enjoyed the hell out of it

Never thought I'd hear this channel mention Gustavus Adolphus College for any reason, but here we are (it's a D3 school in southern MN).

I gotta say for the browns in 2018 lamar and allen needed a lot of work and shaping which I dont think the browns were equipped to do

I was going to make fun of the fact you said "VHS tapes" when you meant "DVDs" when referring to JaMarcus Russell, but I too remember VHS tape and am realizing how old I am so I won't.

Jets: "AHEM!!"

Hue Jackson with 1 win in 32 AND stated "No one could have done a better job."

Raiders fan here and I approve of this message.

Robert Mays and Bill Barnwell just did a great episode of the Athletic Football Show about this

My friend goes to Gustavus and I was not expecting to hear a player from a D3 school in this video lmao

Looking back on some of Cleveland's draft picks: Tim Couch lasted five seasons in the league. Courtney Brown was always injured. Gerard Warren started for a decade but was never a star. Kellen Winslow is in prison. Joe Thomas is in the Hall of Fame for playing over 10,000 consecutive snaps. Alex Mack was an All-Pro lineman. Joe Haden was also a good cornerback. Johnny Manziel crashed and burned. Miles Garrett is an elite edge rusher. Baker Mayfield has one last chance to prove himself in Tampa Bay.

That is balls deep research to pull that off. Well done.

Texans also played 32 less games than the raiders. So not sure if they should count as "more wins side 2000"

With the Sebastian Janikowski comment... DUI? ::Enters Matt Prater:: When he was a Bronco, funny how Perna didn't mention that chaos lmao

Was not ready for an itysl reference lmao

Are we the only ones when we overthrow the ping-pong table at beer pong 🍺 that yells “JAMARCUS RUSSELL “ ?

18:51 is one of the best lines I've heard in a football video lmao

Akili Smith. Bengals passed on trading with the Saints for 9 picks for Ricky Williams. Smith had a grand total of 461 attempts in his career

Right off the bat I would go with the Browns. I don't know of any team to get as many high picks that don't live up to expectations.

beautiful video

Bro makes Jamarcus Russel sound like Will Levis 😂

Excited for this

If you include the Matt Millen Era, the Lions have to be the worst.

And remember is coming from a Broncos fan . The team that sold their soul to get Russell Wilson and now John Elway left

Your videos are so entertaining funny as well as educational you know your shit bro good job

I'm pretty sure the statistics say my jets are the worst. We're only not in the conversation right now is because we're only a year removed from probably our best draft in franchise history and followed it up with what looks like a decent draft this year

Factory of sadness. No fan base can hold a candle to the misery and devotion the brown and orange have been through and display. And yet, we still show up. Great clip. Happy to hear we won another award. Bwahaha

Like I get that they could have had Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson but I don’t think you can say that either player would have been near as good as they have been with either team

As a Cowboys fan we have drafted awesome and have zero f****** super bowl appearances since then

The Browns' playoff game was in Pittsburgh, not Cleveland. They have never had a playoff game in Cleveland

Point of clarification: since you talked about the stockpiling of picks the Browns did and showed John Dorsey at the same time, that’s not entirely an accurate fact. Sashi Brown and Podesta were the ones that led the front office to tanking seasons while acquiring draft capital. It wasn’t until they were fired and Dorsey came along that they finally reaped the rewards of that stockpile…. If Sashi were still in charge during the 2018 draft, I think CLE would have drafted Allen or Lamar instead of picking first overall. IMO, Dorsey made solid choices as GM, but in hindsight I think the Browns would have looked a lot more different had Sashi overlooked the 18 draft.

Love the itysl cameo

Hair is looking great in this video Brandon 👍🏻

I surprisingly know of Gustavus, they tried to recruit me back in highschool.

Alright even though this is basically a roast of the browns and raiders, I really like the fact that you went back in time and gave some real facts about both but specifically my browns! Now I see why we're so bad lol thank you the more you know 😂

I have watched you for years and this is the first video of yours that I have ever watched that I would consider not that great

You didn’t mention the Raiders taking Fabian Washington in 2005 1 pick before Green Bay took Aaron Rodgers

Minor nitpick: William Green. Another Browns first round pick who underperformed on the field and ended up in all kinds of legal trouble. As a lifelong Browns fan, I enjoyed this trip down misery lane. Thanks Perna.

I’ll never understand the draft where the worst team from the previous year has first option on the best players who seemingly have no say where they’ll be playing. How can it not ruin some careers before they even start? From London, UK

If we are talking recently, the jets have been pretty bad at drafting. Just gave a 1st round pick a 2nd contract for the first time in 8 years lol, plus like 5 or 6 2nd round receivers that were all busts.

Never thought I'd see Phil Taylor mentioned on this channel lol

I think getting Johnny Football despite the red flags gets the Browns the win. I am a Browns fan as well. Also thank goodness we did draft Tim Couch over Donovan McNabb, we would have destroyed his career earlier.

As a Browns fan, I'm not really sure how rookie Watson or Mahomes would've done in 2017 with the team they had. Sure the O line would've been fine, but Terrell Pryor and Corey Coleman as their top 2 WR's and Isaiah Crowell as RB1 wouldn't have helped much.

I believe the Browns would've managed to screw Josh Allen up 😂

Jamarcus Russel & Ryan Leaf are 1A and 1B

I'm a die hard Raiders fan, we can't draft and we don't know how to evaluate talent. We got lucky with Maxx Crosby. But our entire 2020 draft class was a failure, our 2021 draft isn't looking great, it's just insane how bad Las Vegas/Oakland is at drafting. I feel you could throw a dart on a board and do just as well