​@@sugasiced-coffee9408 Interesting. I had a feeling there was probably some context that I was missing.

@@sugasiced-coffee9408 I agree! So many times I've watched the guys talk over V or laugh at something he's said and I wonder "how is V feeling right now?" He must get so frustrated.

@@sugasiced-coffee9408 I don't think the older members are being dismissive towards V's opinions. Sometimes it seems like they joke around his unique ideas but they clearly give more attention when he explains something especially in serious situations. I've seen in lot of time when V was being less interactive or quiet they encourage him to speak. Not just for V, they are like that for all members.

Please react to MAMA 2018 artist of the year award speech . You will really like it.

To answer your question about if you’re ARMY yet, that’s really for you to answer. We can tell you if you’re NOT ARMY, that’s easy. Here’s some questions and thoughts to help you figure it out: 1. Do you really like/love all 7 members? It seems like you personally really like them all & dig their dynamic personalities & how they bond with each other & ARMY. (Note: It’s ok to have a bias (fave) in the group but it’s not ok to exclude/ignore any one of them.) 2. Do you feel a connection to them? Their message? Their vibe? Their brotherhood? Their Music? Their performances? 3. Do they make you happy or feel things you haven’t felt before? Inspiration of some sort? Do you like watching & talking about them? It seems that you do. 4. Do you support them by streaming &/or buying their music &/or official merch? ARMY wants them to have a long career & we happily support our boys dreams as they help us focus on ours. Do you feel like they’re also your boys? Your guys? 5. Do you feel like you’ve gone down a never ending rabbit hole? 😂 You only wanted to know their names but now you want to know everything…?! Hehehe 😜

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AGREE! He is the bigger guy here

Agree! Jin is the most humble, genuine, loving human. I have a lot of love and respect for him 💙🙏💚

I understand that from watching them and some other shows, so I give props to Jin for being so mature and able to put some traditions aside to resolve any issue

@@iyavh1247 There is no bigger guy, they both realized they were partially at fault by not explaining themselves clearly and they got together to talk it through until they understood one another better.

When he said that

when did he say thaaat?

@@tarnnum09 When they got together after the concert. It's there in the full video of this

i live by this rule since i heard him say it!!

@@bunnyshajil5781 thanks 🙌

Aww that’s so wholesome and it definitely did good for them

It's a really good thing because when two people argue they're both so emotionally involved and maybe their pride takes over their logic. So it's good to have the objective yet caring view of the other members. I always ask my best friend for counsel when I have arguments with family or friends because she's objective and she cares about me so she can tell me honestly if I messed up or if I was wronged.

Well the dumpling situation was embarrassing..

That was incredibly smart of him. Groups need to really resolve things and be honestly close when they are together as much as kpop groups are. It’s definitely one of the reasons they have lasted so long and will probably last many more years

@@myheartwillstopinjoy8142 I also think it's a good way to prevent cliques/subgroups from happening. I have been in way too many friend groups where people start picking sides because they only heard one perspective and it eventually breaks up the entire group.

I was just going to comment this. I think more groups would still be around or at least closer if they were encouraged to work out issue and not push it down to avoid conflict. The issues are still there but now the damage is worst because no one feels heard.

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I so agree!

@@singularity553 that's true

Oh why sad. That’s just life. We all have situations like this. I’m just filled with pride at seeing how they deal with it. It shows their growth and maturity

They have prob another thousand of fights that arent filmed, and its normal, its life. But ofc its sad to see how sad they feel and at the same time its so cool to see them solving it.

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I don’t think it’s sad tbh

that's just how it is and to me it was not really a confrontation but just talking but both ended up upset.

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you summed it all up perfectly! I hate when people phrase tae's change as something negative, that there's something "wrong" with him because of how different he is now, compared to before. I think we as fans should stop dissecting him and instead just let him continue to grow into the person he is now, and the person he is going to be. he was amazing then, and he is equally as amazing now! though he's definitely quite the character, I'll say. out of all 7 of the members, whom I'd label as clay made into for instance vases of different colours, shapes, and sizes, to me, taehyung is the only one who seems to embody clay that has not yet hardened, clay that is still possible to mold. he's like a puzzle sometimes man I love it

he doesn't cry the most that's Jungkook. Also the members never called him an alien that was bights subtitles.

The friend that does from suicide. Was that that member of SHINee that passed away?

@@priscilahurtado9980 no

Yeah you're right. Also the whole "vibe check joke" About taehyung is also so annoying. It gives a wrong idea about his personality

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Yes, it hurts more when you know Tae said "Jin Hyung is my favourite Hyung." And how much they care for each other......!!!!! Tae has always been the FIRST to defend Jin from himself when he used to downgrade himself!!!! And Jin has always been there for Tae. But that just made their friendship so much stronger!!!! So now it's all good !!!💜

True.

their relationship was always like that tho, its not just after the argument :) jin always pay attention to make sure V talk and V always make sure to not let jin look down on himself

This is so true

Where did they say? Am just curious

Really ?

Their is no such thing as 'objectively correct' in this case, hun.

I still think V was in the wrong and no one can change my mind.

yeah tae was definitely in the wrong. everyone makes mistakes so idk why some people find it ~so offensive~ to notice that he was wrong. they resolved the issue & chose to share the moment with us, knowing we would talk about it. it doesnt hurt tae in any way to recognize that jin could not change pace without messing up his sense of rhythm & thus tae was objectively wrong. he is still an amazing person, a sweetheart, a good friend. but he is human & no human is infallible. bts never claimed to be perfect & army should love them for who they really are, not for some idealized fantasy shadow of them.

@@cloverthv no, jin wasnt at fault. He was doing his best

In their culture, Tae was at fault. I remember an incident in their rookie days where they were interviewed and Jimin made a joke mocking Jin. Everyone, especially Suga, told him to apologize to Jin for talking like that to someone older than him, right in front of everyone, including the host 😆 and Jimin looked very awkward and embarrassed and immediately apologized, saying something along the lines, ‘sorry hyung. It was just a joke. Please forgive me.’

@@cloverthv I definitely felt like V was at fault for starting this talk and very specifically pointing out this issue when Jin wasn't at fault with the choreo. This was choreo they had already performed and Jin danced to it perfectly, and that's why he pushed back. And in the footage Jin wasn't joking at all, he was fighting back saying he didn't think he did badly like V was claiming. There was probably footage in the middle where Jin tried to diffuse the situation with a joke, which he always tries to do to get rid of tension, but V was already so upset and got more upset that Jin would joke at a time like that. Jin has said that sometime he tries to joke to make the mood lighter but then people misunderstand and he can make people feel worse which was not his intention. It was only at the end of the clip, and in later interviews, that the members brought up Jin joking. V mentions Jin joking and making him feel like he didn't take what V was saying seriously, but this was not at the start of their argument and the 'joking' wasn't something that was ever shown on screen. We never saw Jin joking or taking what V said lightly. We did see him arguing back though and fighting for what he thought was right. It was also so mature of Jin to apologize and you could tell he was really trying his best to correct the argument at this point so it wouldn't get bigger and continue to affect the concert. It looked like he was trying to throw everything at that situation to make it better because I think he realized at that point arguing with V was not worth it. He saw the bigger picture and decided to apologize. What I took from this was definitely that Jin was trying to push back on what he thought was unfair criticism and V getting upset that he was not listening to him at all, and when the argument blew up I don't think V was in a good place to be able to sort out his emotions which is something we can all sympathize with when we feel so overwhelmed and we don't feel good but can't get out of that mindset. Plus everyone was feeling stressed before the concert, this was all within 30 minutes of the start of the concert, so Jin was probably stressed too?!, especially since we know how insecure he is about his dancing. And we know since then V has always been his biggest champion for Jin's dancing. So both of the boys were very tense and just trying to point out what they thought was correct and wanted to be heard and taken seriously. It was actually more shocking to me that it happened so close to the beginning of the concert. Must have been tense for the whole band, and even the staff there.

@@endxofxeternity I feel that Jin only apologized about making a “joke” to use it as a medium- in order to apologize. If he did make a joke, Tae would absolutely have expressed that as a major reason as to “why” he’d get upset. Tae didn’t mention anything about this at all, instead his issue was on Jin saying “but I’m doing my best” repeatedly. So in my POV, Jin just said this as a quick go-to in order to apologize. His skills are his skills. It was “minutes” before the concert, that’s probably why he kept saying “I’m doing my best..” Jin’s apology for making a joke, for me, was a way of masking his insecurity which I feel was tapped by Tae’s insisting he adjust his learned move on the spot. It was giving him extra pressure on top of the actual pressure. Just in my opinion, I commend Jin (who’s the Hyung) taking the high road so to speak and apologizing, I feel it would have been better if Tae also apologized for whatever he caused his Jin Hyung and the group, for whatever it’s worth..but then again, I’m proud of all of them, and this brotherhood wouldn’t have grown to what it is now, if they didn’t go through these real life “roller coasters.”

@@cloverthv don't try to talk to them, I'm sure they're solo stans cause the comment sections if full of them. It's just so funny how they got a conclusion from a edited video that Jin is the best of the best and that Tae is so bad and childish, as if this people lived with bts 24/7

Hahaha

@@maxpbeaumont I'd argue RM and Jimin. quote: "jimin! jimin! my boy! i love jimin! ... jimin's the man!" 😂

He definitely likes Jin too. As a person and leader and a personality. Talks about his quite vocally in every video, right from the start. I would have said Suga and Jin were his bias.

Yeah, but Jin himself also said that him being older also plays a part in why he was offended. And there's nothing wrong with that, because at least he's self aware. Don't speak over him and say your own thoughts when Jin himself already admitted it.

This 👌, yes it was later known that Jin did infact try to get there as fast as he could but the formation was so spread that it was impossible for him to reach his next spot fast enough :3, and still apologize for getting defensive, he is such a kind soul

Yes, Jin is very good at knowing his position in the formation. However, he does not like to see anyone unhappy, so he must have seen the hurt on Vs face after the dispute which led him to apologize. It didn't matter who is in the wrong, what matters is mending the hurt feelings and learning from them. I remember Jin saying in an interview there are some people you can do certain jokes with and some you can not (because of having a different mindset). We get to know how sensitive V is if he feels his opinion is not being taken seriously from this clip.

Yeah. Bwhahahaha.

And what did come up from Hobi analysis? I hope Tae was informed, so next time he will be more careful when bringing this things up or when disregarding the other person, whom is repeatedly telling him that he did his bests, specially when that person is not as good as him on a certain matter. In any case im glad they sorted out the issue, the level of emotional intelligence this guys have is amazing.

@@OrualMuse lol calm yourself, you sound so offended for some reason. This incident happened years ago and the boys, all of them, learn from their past and problems, if not then they wouldn't be together until now.

He's so wise and special

I agree with you but one thing I will disagree with is when you said Jin made “no mistake from his side.” I think what he should have been a bit more cautious about is when he told Tae that it wasn’t a big deal. Everyone feels differently about different situations. That was probably the part that hurt Tae the most because he really took it seriously. He must have felt that Jin was disregarding his feelings. I personally feel like that was a mistake. But opinions differ.

@@rhens8088 yeah there wasn't any mistakes from him its true tho

@@rhens8088 i get what you’re saying but no matter what especially in places like Korea that value respect very very highly, taes approach to confronting the matter was a bit condenscending, because people are saying Jin didn’t take tae seriously when I have watched this video countless of times and I can’t see where Jin cracked a smile even once, he was being very serious all through. Tae made his point Jin politely told him I cannot do anything faster than I have already done, it’s almost too late? Jin was polite and cordial throughout cus he had hindsight of what could eventually blow up to be a big issue( which it did) so he was just trying to avoid it. I agree he did it in a way that seemed dismissive but his points were very valid and it saddens me to see people talk like he should have known better

@@rhens8088 the problem in that is also that Jin said he was trying his best multiple times but he wasn’t taken seriously, even dismissed. Although It didn’t seem like he joked about it at all. In my opinion. And then them just assuming he was at fault here for “messing” up the choreo and not considering the possibility that it could have been tae, which it was, because tae went way too far as seen in the footage of that concert day. So jin didn’t even “mess” up.

exactly! perfectly said

@@raghad_1789 tf? Jin always supports all of them. Sun flower isnt even a song. Also Jin always takes care of them specially taehyung. You clearly dont know shit

@@raghad_1789 looks like you're new to the fandom, cry on

@@raghad_1789 If you REALLY think that Jin doesn't support V, then you're either not really a true ARMY or you're probably new to the fandom. There are many videos of them on youtube showing their bond and support, please watch them. Rather, their bond is so strong that they were the first OG ship in BTS

@@raghad_1789 he didnt say he doesnt like it, he said he doesnt like the vibe of song for christmas. his fave song on be literally was blue and gray. go watch some taejin videos.

So true. It's more meaningful when someone so bright and stoic comes out to talk about their mental health and struggles in a very level headed way. Like these are issues that affect all of us and it's okay to be going through things. And he encourages us to speak up if we're struggling.

Thanks for the comment! I hope you enjoy the video!

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I honestly think the amount of authenticity and imperfection they share is one of the reasons they're so much more globally popular than other idol groups. Like, I can't imagine some of the other labels letting us see the messy side of the performers the way BigHit has.

@@meghall337 truee! That way could show the fans that we could relate to them in many aspects since we're all human to begin with. Not saying other idols aren't human. But BTS don't put up too much effort being someone they not. They're not afraid to speak up even against their company if sth doesn't sit right with them, & great thing is that the company listen. So it's a great mutual respect between BTS members & BTS - Bighit that allows us to see the transparency or the rawness of themselves. It also shows in their music/arts. They talk about things other musicians rarely do. The real things in life. Not just love but vulnerability too & many more. I stan the right people & am proud 💜

@@himaririku9254 hmm?? Yeah sure, GD is a king & so are BTS. They are great musicians i listen too 👍🏻

@@himaririku9254 no one ask

true

RM is a genius lyricist

Yes, I agree with you. Maybe he can start reacting to all their AWARDS SPEECH and ALBUM PRESS CONFERENCES. GDA award show 2019 (Album of the year) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hLydoMJetrTPhmQ.html - I personally love this speech here. MAMA 2018 - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rLyjapRhx67PfnU.html Variety Hitmakers - Group of the year - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mLeVpNaEm7ypdH0.html RM compilation speech award 2019. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/otthnaySqbLOmH0.html One thing that you can be sure when listening to BTS speech especially RM, the content of the speech didnt stay same..it is always hit differently...sometimes they mentioned person who really close to them or someone who respected by their nation, talk about their past story, talked about their difficulties and so on. That is why ARMY love to listen to their speech. Actually there is so much I wanna share with you...hahaha...

Oh shit yeah!

Yes!

yes he should react to that!

Yes please!

In V's voice:'Why are you shaking my heart' Suga never cease to shake my heart

Love to hear that :)

they are my ultimate brother ship actually, cz both of them really are supportive to each other. Tae will be the first one to defend Jin whenever he feel down and vice versa. I remember when Jin said that he can't dance well in MOTS comeback i think and Tae is the first one to argue that, and when Tae feel down because the member said he shouldn't flip tha Pajeon (In the soop), but Jin is the first one to support him. sorry ion speak english well

@@liafadhilahs yess same, and your english is amazing :)

@@liafadhilahs taejin is my otp too :)

yes I've also noticed the same thing in so many videos like their ending speeches in concert Taehyung always try to not to show his emotion

Yes. Blue and Gray was supposed to be his personal mixtape song but he was asked to include it on the last album where the other members got to express their sadness, too. I feel like it was important for V's emotional state to be acknowledged as both shared by and inspiring to the others - as well as to all the rest of us.

Interpersonal Relationships bring this out in me, especially Housemates

This exactly. The respect thing is always underappreciated among I-army as it's not a thing in the western world. But it'd be like if your father apologized to you for something he didn't really do. As an Asian it's not something you see. It was big of Jin to admit it and reach out to V to mitigate the situation. He's always so stoic even though he jokes. He takes his job as an entertainer seriously and is always trying to diffuse the tension in the air so when it got directed at him in such a situation I completely understand where he is coming from. And Jin is known as someone who will stand up for himself and his people if he feels he is being unjustly attacked. I think the joking part happened later because Jin was trying to diffuse the situation but then V took it even worse that Jin would joke at a time like this when he was already upset. And so Jin apologized for joking. But at the start V was definitely going at him and I can't imagine any scenario where Jin would just bow his head and accept that when he knew he didn't do anything wrong.

@@endxofxeternity what at the beginning are you alking about?? are you refering to an EDITED video?? cause there's no way to know when did it start. It's so funny cause you all talk aboutbts as if you lived 24/7 with them

Is the 2018 FESTA the best year to react to?

@@maxpbeaumont I think it's definitely the one where they're being the most honest and vulnerable so there would be more to analyze, kind of like this video

@@maxpbeaumont yes 2018 festa is one of the more candid sit downs they did (maybe because they were drinking a bit lol)!

@@Alia-lg3zh nice. Appreciate the suggestion

@@maxpbeaumont yes! They were drinking 🤣🤣 and they share alot of behind the scenes stories. It was fave festa too 😍

Yeah, he was 18 when he became a trainee. But he was in college, and had already faced many hurdles and was definitely a stoic person and had an amazing personality. He kind of understood the big picture, which a lot of the other members found hard to relate to at first. But even Jimin said he understood why Jin said the things he said and Jin makes a lot of sense in retrospect when you get more life experience.

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really? can i drop the link of fancam pls

I rarely see jin make mistake in choreos but always point at him that make mistakes

@@jj.cosmos510 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hLuml7qh1ZiUg3U.html here you go, hope it helps

Yes I saw that. Tae moved a little bit too far than the original.

I think he also doesn't know how to explain himself, how or what he's feeling, that's why there were a misunderstanding

I don't think calling him a 'baby' is right. He's grown and experienced enough. But yeah, his honesty is often misunderstood. I think for arguing with people like Taehyung, it's important to know him really well to understand why he says something, or else it can be easily taken wrongly. In my opinion, he doesn't really know how his words can affect others, and in the heat of the moment, he ends up saying things that he regrets later. You can see how he clearly thinks like "that wasn't even necessary. why did we even fight". Acting on impulse is what makes him misunderstood, even though his intentions might not be bad.

@@AlexMin_😂 I'm sorry, I guess my baby might have come off wrong,I can see how. I didnt mean his behaviour was that of a baby, but rather my love for him is me babying him. I adore him so i call him a baby a lot. And I agree with whatever you said, not only him but even us we say some stuffs we dont mean to in the heat of the moment. I am in no position to judge his actions, we dont know them personally and I dont want to assume anything. But all I know is that he's an honest person who is misunderstood a lot.

@@shiwakim2204 did I come off as aggressive? I'm sorry if I did, it's kind of a habit of mine to say whatever I want 😭

This thread is so wholesome 💜💜💜

Exactly never seen a selfless person like him a rare find indeed

I agree with you.. Jin is the best hyung

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YESSSS All of their festa videos honestly it's just a bunch of content to analyse for communication skills lol aside from the 2021, 2018 with the alcohol involved is also a great one 😂

True..

Ahhh, the Blue Village. 😔

Right, those nuances in Korean dont translate.well

Me too 💜

I find the words of hierarchy very fascinating. I have a long way to go to understand it, and thought of it as a great cultural strength and never thought how it could lead to conflict or misunderstanding, thanks for pointing that out for me.

and let me add another reason was cuz jin really wasnt at the wrong, he did ran as fast as he could

Yeah I get it.

Jin has no problem being corrected when it comes to choreography, just the way V approached him. I would feel the same way... but V has never intended it to come off that way... and we both love them, all of them more after this incident...

I really feel for both of them here. Because V is just trying to fix a performance issue by sincerely bringing it up to Jin without making him feel criticized & Jin does feel criticized & goes on the defense. So he feels defeated and poor Jin, who is not a natural dancer, who practices alone in his room for hours after their group practaces, must find it so hard to hear "criticism " about his dancing. But the fact that Jin apologized to his junior and put his hand on Tae's shoulder while apologizing, was very big of him. And Tae was hurt because he didnt feel heard & I think he felt bad for it becoming such a big thing right before starting a concert & he certainly didn't mean to hurt Jin's feelings...it made him feel bad. So of course he cried. But they got through it & their friendship is all the stronger for it! Just another reason to love them.💜

True. For the performance in question. wasn't V a little farther out than normal? I remember watching a video on it...since V was a little farther out than it did take a little longer. I love thst they are able to get passed this and become a stronger bonded group.

I taught JK would have been the one to have an issue, but suffering from jet lag, doing that video as soon as they get off the plane.. combined with nerves..

Think it’s better for him to stick to actual footage of the guys instead of the edits y’know? It gives a much fuller picture of who and how they are, what the situation was. I love edits like that but they do strip away the context of whats going on and I don’t think that that’s what Max is looking for.

So true and probably after this incidents even when he feel left out or being dismissed he just shut his mouth and let it flow but his face shows how disappointed he was.

not necessaryli true, members often say that Tae does not actually talk to anyone (besides Jimmin) about his issues. They also pointed out many times that Tae has the most different way of thinking out of all of them.

@@Kunoichi4ever4 different way of thinking doesn’t mean he’s a mystery they can’t understand at all. In fact they know what he’s up to because they understand he’s different and each member supports him in different ways so that he never has to change who he is.

Yeah u r right....

@@ibelieveinyourgalaxy I think what we meant by mysterious is that he's almost always unpredictable because he thinks different

@@ibelieveinyourgalaxy I think you may have a different definisiton of a mystery that is where we dont agree. I am not saying the guys do not know him at all, or that they do not support him to be who he is. What I am saying is that he is hard to read for most of them. That is partially why in all of the run village games he excells.

Me too, it’s inspiring in the warmest of ways y’know?

yaaaaassssss more BTS content!

agree! it made us know them more in more casual and relaxed setting

i agree!

I thought I was the only one🤡 I hate you Cameron haha

This is my favorite comment

@@Glxdvs aw thank you🥺

So true 💜

This..👍