@2:56 Consent dude, consent. The silence in the car when Jonathan talks of Willow, deafening. Self worth is a big theme in Buffy, I think this episode Really demonstrated how their parents literally left them with nothing inside. Unfortunately when we're hard on ourselves, it can lead to us being hard on others. Definitely related, it's sad to think how many do. We all have a lot more worth than we imagine. And it's important to find a sense of it, and not from something that can be taken like a gift. It's you. Also GILES!!!!!!!! 🥰🤸🎊 Clem is adorable. I'm a simple person, I hear the name Oz, I smile.

that ending..... all together now.....eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

@@barbarabaker1457 Well. In Buffy's case, she does have an issue with Self-Worth [but, I think Xan definitely, does too -- the diff is that Buffy can overcome her own selfishness because it's a duty to the world -- a human would only THINK that they'd choose right, until the actual circumstance is presented, and then they'd make excuses for why they know wrong could be right] . I don't want to share too much because spoilers. But - she may be the only Slayer who actually examines who she is - how she feels - including the natural implication that she's better than other people, because she's still human [including BTVS, S3, E17 -- it may appear a one-off, but I've noticed that "stray thoughts" get followed up on in future stories- especially in S6-7, but she's still struggling between "I'm the Slayer - so naturally, I'm better" and "I'm not allowed to be better, because I'm the Slayer". Technically, you could consider Buffy superior to any of us, but that leads to Faith - so I'm not surprised that Buffy would consider this a non-starter/trap. [Tiny spoiler -- since Liam is already in S7] - I think this is an issue with Willow [especially], Anya and Xan in future. Buffy knows that she could've folded in any number of ways over the course of her BTVS-run, but she didn't. And I think [unvoiced, of course] that she sees her friends as weak in a certain way. But she also knows deep-deep inside that if she was sure that her mom wouldn't come back as a damaged zombie, she'd risk violating 'natural law' to get her back. What makes Buffy the 'HERO' is that she can turn down the obvs temptation of getting what she REALLY wants in order to protect the world. And , more importantly, she's willing to push back against her closest friends - even family - to make sure that selfish 'want' doesn't overcome 'I want- but instinct tells me that this would turn out badly [I think, personally, that Kendra would also choose the needs of the many over the one - Faith? Not fukkin likely]'. I really don't envy her. I think about what I might risk/give to get my mom back, and I relate it to Joyce and I'm honestly not sure that I wouldn't side with Dawn to get her back. [Clem. I wanted to like him whole-heartedly... but then the comics came. I'm so disappointed.]

That's freaking brilliant!

Cup a tea Cup a tea Almost got shagged Cup a tea

Lmao yes!!

What an amazing comment 😂 ☕️

Love it! 👌😅😂😂😂🤘

One of the most badass moments of ANY show!

He says it so calmly, too!

I have a theory... he'd be back at SOME point! lol

This is a really good point

He's a real life villian (well minus the magic technology). And in real life, you rarely like them.

And he turned Willow into a carnage Monster.

yes! ive been trying to get this into words and you did it perfectly. dark willow and angelus were a lot more emotional to the viewers since theyre close to buffy. the master, the mayor, glory, and sometimes even adam were all funny and had good qualities. i think thats why warren needed the trio to balance that out so its not just constant annoyance

God help me, I'm an Adam-314 guy! I love the action figure in real size look. However, Warren is my number 2.

Except for Tara...she was wise

Great comment. Look at how dark TV is nowadays, and Buffy S6 was one of the first shows to really twist things. Makes sense because many of the writers have gone on to write some pretty dark “acclaimed” TV. I mean, Marti Noxon wrote Sharp Objects.

Love season 6

Though even in early season 1, I think Buffy didn't want them involved, if I remember correctly, but they kinda got involved.

@NPE 94 and @Dagenspear: You're both right.

Technically she’s one and a half.

True but Dawnie is everything to Buffy, irreplaceable.

@@alvaroballon7133 😂

Yes!!.

I think so too! Honestly I didn't noticed it at the first watching haha...was too focused on the talking 🙈

And that’s how you subvert expectations Game of Thrones Showrunners!

BOOM Mike drop

Willow started to be the big bad when she raised Buffy and told Giles it wouldn't be a good idea to piss her off.

@@TheBehenaught Foreshadowing

I did a Buffy quiz and it marked me wrong for answering that Willow was season Six's big bad. Grr

Willow: „Everyone could be a Killer! Even me!“

@@robinschicha4712 it's not tho

I agree and to be fair, Dark Willow was cooking all season, even before season 6, it didn't come out of no where

I think a Dark Willow over half of this season could only work if it had some kind of "Dark Phoenix" angle to it.

@@npe9483 like how? I try to make it work after Liam said he wanted that, and me too, but I can't see how it could play, I agree with Quinn

I agree. But we still could have gotten less of The Trio. (:

@@NinaSelene I don’t want to comment further until S6 is over, due to spoilers.

I STILL freak out every time I see it... And I've seen it a lot lol.

I'm still giggling. That was great!

YES! OMG your picture! I've been rewatching unhhhh these days and thinking which episode would I recommend to Liam. But I don't know if he would be into it.

Now I can't wait for the finale. I hope we get some tears.

Knowing you watch these reactions fills me with the most wholesome joy.

I have a handful of issues with this season and a few reasons why I don’t place it on the level of 2, 3 and 5. And there’s also a lot I really admire. But I’ll get more into all of that after the finale. However, this idea that this season is more “adult” than any other and that’s why people take issue with it is a generalization.

Well, back when this season first aired they advertised it with "Life is the Big Bad".

They could have had all these things (hard life, dark places etc) in the season and still had a big bad. This season was also extremely directionless. It felt like a string of mini-stories with a thin thread of story leading them all. It has some really good stand alone episodes but as an entire season it is in my opinion the worst and has the least rewatchability.

My problem is not that it went too dark or that it did new things with established characters. It was that it routinely mistook morbid miserabilism and wallowing in failure for some kind of profound statement of the world. Rather than saying anything meaningful about life and the world that exists beyond slaying vampires, it just settled for a kind of nihilsm that is more appropriate in the goth poetry of 90s teenager than a TV show.

@@LynxAQ "a string of mini-stories with a thin thread of story leading them all" that is LITERALLY life. That's how life goes. That's why life and the poor choices we make is the main point of the season.

Yep, I was waiting for someone to remember that. :)

Oh yeah definitely

I dont think you need to. I wonder if its simply the most badass entry, even without the prefix.

funny too 'cause James is a HUGE Nirvana fan. I wonder if they wrote that for him as a sort of 'sorry' for making him do the attempted-R-scene ( which made him go into therapy in rl ), or if it was an improved line and they kept it in.

I think his absence at the wedding makes the final scene of this episode more impactful.

I don't want it to sound bad, but I always thought Giles never cared that much for Xander. He was very annoyed when he was a teen, and that went away just slowly. They did grow, but he did have to "attend business" and flight can be expensive? Ok yeah, they couldn't get the actor lol

@@NinaSelene He still would have been there. They didn't include him in order to make his entrance in this episode more impactful.

it was only because of the actor wasn't able to play Giles for a little while. ( I forget why ). I'm sure he would have sent them a gift. I'm surprised they didn't acknowledge it at all. its almost like the writers temporarily forgot Giles when they were writing that episode since they didn't have to and it was centered around Xander and Anya. even though he doesn't always get along with Xander and Anya, I think Giles still cares about them.

So rarley do you get that combo in any wheedon show, least of all this season.

I am really glad for the diversity of opinions about the show. I couldn't (respectfully) disagree with you more but I really respect that you feel that way and can be so passionate about it.

I'm with you Adam. I know everyone tends to go for The Gift, but the last four eps of season 6, for me, are another level. AH is such a talented actress.

NPE 94 Thanks! I know there are people who don’t like most of S6 yet still like watching Dark Willow, but I don’t think I personally know anyone who *dislikes* this group of episodes. How do you feel about the rest of S6?

Oh yes, After Show Reactions. The girl, which earns almost 5k every month via Patreon and doesn't invest any of it back into her channel to improve the technical quality of her videos. Every smartphone camera can produce better pictures and audio than the thing she is using since the beginning^^ Usually i wouldn't care, but when someone earns that much money with watching TV shows, i somehow expect that he or she gives a little of it back. I stopped watching her..

@@theadamabrams Wary of commenting too much without accidentally spoiling anything for Liam. My problem is I love the theory of season six, what I dislike is its execution. I think it too often wallowed in human misery in the episodes between Tabula Rasa and Entropy rather than saying anything interesting or meaningful.

Or when you use eyeliner

What if you have naturally black hair? I remember a little girl one class below me bullying me at school with her friends, because she could not believe, the way I styled my hair back then, that it was NOT dyed!...

There's a Marvel's Avengers episode where some villains use the reality stone to recast themselves as heroes and the Avengers as villains. Captain America becomes just "The Captain" and gets a black suit without the american flag. Ironman's colour scheme is toned down so it looks like blood and rust instead of a hotrod. But Black Widow's evil transformation involves heavier eyeliner and pale foundation and that's it. Everything else is the same.

It has always been one of my favs as well. I think 5 is still my number one, but 3 and 6 usually flip between 2nd and 3rd favs for me

You're not. I love season 6. It's incredibly complex, deep, thought provoking, and therefore engaging. Beautifully done season, IMO.

Jennifer, Season 6 has always been my favorite. Giles coming back with his line remains one of the best things I've ever seen on television full stop.

Thank you for that LOL

What? It was edited out? Ohhh you mean of this video?

ApolosXV Agreed, to all points!

The first being Giles' suicide mission in Passion, the second being Willow's vengeance here

Yeah i think a lot of people, a) dont fully understand or dont like the theme of the season (depression, addiction, self loathing) and I guess that comes down to if you can identify with those dark feelings or not. B) because they dont like seeing the hero characters make shitty choices and do bad things (lying, leaving partners at alters, toxic relationships, abuse, addiction etc). C) they dont like that the big bad up to this point has been portrayed as the trio (showing how humans with souls can be just as bad as demons, and adding more shades of grey to the buffyverse) and how actually the big bad was emotions (like i already mentioned), or maybe more accurately poor handling of emotions/ not opening up with loved ones and lying to them and yourself until you hit bottom... Personally, I always found myself riveted by the season the first few times I watched and its always been high on my fav season list.

@@holi117 I adore this season, but then, I've struggled with depression and self loathing since 1993 or so, so I can identify with what's going on.

I’m down on season 6 cus I hate the Buffy spike thing it disgusts me

Mine is usually the season finales and a few classic random lines, simultaneously. Then I think ‘mmm spike’ haha

I go to Seasons 1-3 and high school.

Yeah he really showed his true colors there. He's such a harmless dweeb the whole season and it's not until that point when you realize just how shitty he is.

nah Andrew is great.

@@unrelatedcoma I also really liked Andrew in the last season but he grew as a character, in this season he is awful...gotta love what Joss Whedon does with his characters it's like magic

@@lillyrgz6038 That's a fucking spoiler, dude.

I agree with Liam's feelings about the trio and the lack of a big bad for most of the season but nobody can doubt the quality of most of the season 6 episodes even if they're hard to watch at times.

I think this is an example of retrospectively applying meaning to something.