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they have an entire tender already ,and they have started work on the frame, it wont be built as a single piece. its a whole bunch of pieces because obviously its way to hard to make a single cast now.

@@jimmythatguy​​⁠ thats one reason yes, but the primary reason for the split frame is so it can traverse curves better. That long of a rigid frame causes a lot of stress on the metal, having a bigger chance on cracks in the frame. Wich is a death sentence for the loco if not found early.

Excellent video nice to hear about this

People said it would take a decade to restore the 3985 if she was done under Union Pacific and she’s already close to the point of getting her boiler sandblasted. I get the facts about rebuilding this kind of locomotive heck I bet it probably would be the same way if a brand new big boy was to be rebuilt from scratch except the build an engine like that would probably take all the way to 2040. It’s still gonna be great to see one of the toughest streamliners return again

The project will be completed and fail. Why? Because to build a locomotive lacks the expertise to do that today. So if the reach to build it the mostly will have all the baby problems with it that was on solvable with experience but that experience is lost because death of the people with knowledge.

And the same folks are doing it again and have a third project to begin once the P2 is complete. I think it's safe to say that the T1 Trust were definitely inspired by Tornado.

Also in the process of building a 3rd one ontop of Tornado and Prine of Wales

Planet, the later replica of rocket, the replica iron duke... the idea was already old hat by the time tornado even started frankly. They just made a bigger faster replica. The history of replicas of lost locos goes like 3/4 of the history of locomotives. 😂 pretty much the second someone scrapped one to begin with someone else was thinking and doing the replica thing.

*rebuilt

@@THE_flushingtoilet *built, tornado isn't actually an A1, nor is it a replca really, the whole thing is completely different spec to any A1 the LNER built. Not least because the LNER had it's own set of lost or unknown metallurgical standards for materials used that were not replicated in Tornado, instead modern readily available material specifications were evaluated and used. Also the construction methods diverge significantly in places as their are now cheaper and easier to work with alternatives(welding over riveting)

They don’t have any engines capable of doing so, and their loading gauge is too restrictive to get much faster than mallard did on her special train…

@@CaptainCrutchidk if hs2 gets complete we have a hole line only question is will steam be allowed to use it one off

@@CaptainCrutchalso uk rail infrastructure can hold up to 140mph east coast , HS1 and the Chatham main line to name a few but the east coast is limited to 125 and HS2 could go at 225 so wouldn’t be so sure on that the question is an engine not the track

Me personally i think that an engine built with modern technology shouldn’t have access to the record yes its the same design but it will be built perfectly no imperfections which just didn’t happen in the 30s and 40s still the record is there for the taking all the same I believe they would hold a special event with mallard and t1 in like york or somewhere in the states so people could see the old record holder with the new

@@Thatspuremental Nah, manufacturing technology is always changing. If we're going to make that argument, how was it fair for a locomotive in the 1930s to compare to ones in the 1800's? If it's being built to the general T1 specs, seems fair play to me.

Like say, the NYC Hudson...

I was gonna say that!

Imagine the T1 and a Dreyfuss Hudson doubleheading together!

@@atshinkansen7439 if a new preservation trust ever comes forward to build a J3A from scratch, i’m definitely gonna ride with it then but also that would be amazing to see

@@atshinkansen7439 actually, I am imagining #5550 and #611 doubleheading, due to Norfolk and Western's association with the Pennsy (until the 1960's).

:-D

Technically any thing can reach that speed Just once

Hats off you to hope you have that chance

@@Steamtheamaricanengine thank you!

@@LIMowersAndMore no prob oh and just a recomendation for other youtubers on railways look for history in the dark sams trains if your also into model railroading and a bonus for a bit of nistolgia thomas wooden railway or just watch the og. Show

Me too, prohaps one day there will be a honorary All-steam-line now that would be worth while 🙂🚂

@@JAdg75oo00 Somewhere in the US there is a 2-6-2 running in revenue service

@@Jeisr4207-bc5ui which railroad and which locomotive? 🙂

@@JAdg75oo00 I forgot

@@Jeisr4207-bc5ui dang tried looking online but nothing has came up yet, well thanks for entertaining the possibility for me 🙂

Actually, this has been going on for quite a few years already...

Hey! Leave Mallard alone! The museum needs a door wedge!

@@GreatCenteralGloryyea i mean come on cant you jst use stephens rocket or something

Yeah, I hate to be that guy, but that wouldn't work even if they tried. Considering Mallard was the only one to do said record only once on a downhill grade, I don't think given it's age it's gonna be able to even if given the chance. At least with 5550 it's going to be brand new. Mallard is a product of the 1930s, making it 85 in 2023

@@chesapeakedproductions3009 yea if we built a replica maybe or jst use stephens rocket the national railway museum need a door wedge 🤣

They are no longer doiny the record

Even you can start a group to build a NYC Hudson from the ground up.

Its funny cause like the PRR T1, theirs also a hudson tender at scranton. And in theory you COULD use parts from a Canadian hudson, unless there is differences im forgetting about

Thing is, she might've never had it

Well, many people (American and even British) do not believe that Mallard deserved that crown, due to the circumstances of the test. Test track's all wrong (being downhill) and Mallard sustaining damage after the speed run. In their POV, a proper high speed record run is something similar to a rail version of a Bonneville Salt Flats speed run: straight level track, and two runs for the fastest average speed. And with the most precise measuring equipment, of course.

Average diesel fan: 🤓🤓🤓 Average steam enjoyer: 🗿🍷💪

Okay, so when are YOU going to start building one?

Agreed but seeing as the T1 is a decent bit of the way done, let’s finish it first and then do the J3a next!

ah yes. one of the original streamlined titans of the 30s.

it would be possible because we have a big boy here in PA at Steam Town

How about we let the T1 Trust enjoy running 5550 after construction is completed? Someone else should step up and start a campaign to build another locomotive from the ground up themselves. Will it be you? 🧐

it could be an oil burner but i don't know

It will be an oil burner. Even if it was still a coal burner there would be little shoveling as engines this size had “mechanical stokers” which allowed coal to be fed into the firebox with just the turn of a valve.

@@welshtrainspottingchannel While the T1 Trust wanted to burn coal in the Belpaire firebox, logistics and ash disposal makes oil the easy choice.

@@psycotria It does help that oil burners are generally much more fuel efficient by comparison, too - and they can run on damn near anything liquid and hydrocarbon. Diesel, refined fry oil waste, yadda yadda. All works.

Great, now you start a group to build one yourself. Well, we’re waiting…

The newly built Pennsy T1 5550 will run on short lines and tourist railroads. Multiple short lines and tourist railroads have invited the T1 Trust to operate 5550 on their tracks for excursions and other events.

@@TranscontinentalRailfan the only problem is that the T1 is a monster. No operating steam locomotive on the mid-to east coast are a similar size to it. And don’t forget the operating costs.

@@gamerfan8445 The T1 Trust has said anywhere N&W 611 or NKP 765 can go, the 5550 will be able to go too. It could even operate at Strasburg, PA. It’s a lot more economically feasible to operate mainline steam locomotives on short lines and tourist railroads, rather than class one railroad mainlines. By the time you lease passenger cars, pay for the insurance the class ones require, and the operating costs and there is no money left over, you are looking at least $2k per train ticket. Where as for 611 at Strasburg, people were only paying $30 on average per ticket to ride behind 611. It makes better business sense to go to short lines or tourist railroads. This new locomotive will operate just fine on short lines and tourist railroads and there is nothing wrong with that.

AND WE'RE DOING IT AGAIN! We're currently building a new P2 class locomotive!

There's no shortage of rails for the T1. By the time it's complete, NS will have new mgmt. The speed record will fall on a closed FRA test track.

Thank you!

Thanks for the idea!

@@Bennyboi_ np

I can definitely see where you are coming from, but at the same time I think your point isn’t 100% valid. Sure, records are meant to be broken, but only if they are still relevant in any way, like, well basketball. Steam engines, in the other hand, haven’t been relevant on proper transport since the early 70s at the very most, braking the record now, with modern technology, something which mallard, Scotsman, or any previous record steam engine did not have. I’m not gonna say I hate the T1 trust, bc I don’t, it’s really cool that the building new steam engine idea has finally made its way over to the us in a mainline scale, but at the same time, braking a record that literally makes no sense at this point in time, it’s a we bit silly and petty

@@Robert_the47 true true. To me I hate when people say, "Records are not meant to broken". Like I know the Mallard is the world record holder I think it should but if someone is going to do it, then so be it.

@@Robert_the47 "I can definitely see where you are coming from, but at the same time I think your point isn’t 100% valid. ..." I think you have an irrational emotional attachment to Mallard holding a record that sent it to an early overhaul. That it was recorded on a partial negative grade, no big deal. lol. "... Sure, records are meant to be broken, but only if they are still relevant in any way, like, well basketball. ..." I find it perverse that you can invent such illogical reasons why steam records must be allowed to stand. Just because [insert emotional appeal here]. Basketball?! Really? There is hardly anything in the world more irrelevant to the world situation than basketball and other sports. "... Steam engines, in the other hand, haven’t been relevant on proper transport since the early 70s at the very most, ..." This statement shows how ignorant about steam traction you actually are. You likely are based in the UK, which dropped steam in 1968. Did you know that China built main line steam locomotives into the mid 1990s? They still provide maintenance and will build new steam locomotives on request. Iowa Interstate Railroad bought a pair of the QJ Class 2-10-2, fresh out of overhaul, from China in 2008. Within a year, IAI set the world record for steam-hauled revenue freight in the 21st Century, which has since been broken, I think. The post-steam era (1959) record revenue freight in the US was ~132 double stack containers pulled by 4-6-6-4 UP 3985 without helpers in 1993. Find the video here on YT, UP Challenger charges Hill 1993. "... I’m not gonna say I hate the T1 trust, bc I don’t, " ..." but at the same time, braking a record that literally makes no sense at this point in time, it’s a we bit silly and petty " It looks like you hate the larger loading gauge of US railroads, and the absolutely gigantic, 1MM lbs of the 4-4-4-4 Class T1 PRR 5550, which could take the Mallard, loaded onto a flatcar and break its 126 mph record with it IN TOW, just for the Lols. BTW, I'm impatiently waiting for SpaceX Starship with Raptor v3 engines to lay down 20MM lbs-force of thrust while lifting a loaded fuel depot into orbit, in support of Artemis HLS trip to the Moon! Mallard could be put into orbit, if it fit within the fairing! Lols!

Locomotive races in the future 🎉

but was it officially recorded?

​@@OfficialTrainzGodthis is what I keep saying. Americans always get pissy cause they won't recognise them as the fastest loco but thier only proofs is a apperent speeding ticket. And they couldn't be asked putting a dyno car on for the test lol. If they put the effort in to actually accurately prove the claim they'd be recognised but they never wanted to

@@Rocker-1234 I am american

@@Rocker-1234 keep coping a seething British foamer, if it was good enough to fine the PRR money for, it’s good enough for me

@@OfficialTrainzGod it was officially recorded by the ICC in a speeding fine to the PRR due to milepost calculations, now some may say “erm no dynamometer car!!!!!!!!1!1!1!2!1!1” like this fellow up here, but I say, fuck em, that stupid dynamometer car is the only reason their precious 4-6-2 has the record, and they’ve been coping and seething for 100 years

Would you look at that rotary cam poppet valve system

@@easydoesit8857 yeah it looks cool and functional i guess

Tornado is an amazing story, which I followed for years before it finally steamed. T1 PRR5550 will easily surpass Tornado's 100+mph record. We will have to wait and see what happens.

​@@easydoesit8857 Franklin Type B Rotary = good ------The T1 class came with Franklin Type A Oscillating = a maintenance nightmare.

@@psycotria no doubt it will pass it, Im sure of it, but it seems a bit petty to just bring a new build to life to just "beat mallards speed record", we aint in the days of steam anymore, thats why tornado is a more up to date contender

The prototypes didn't have wheel slip issues, plus the trust will rectify the wheel slip when it's built

The same test track that was used to test the top speed of the Acelas would be used to push this thing up to top speed

Are you going to start a group either one of those locomotives?

It's only "officially" a record... one that S1 and T1 broke regularly. Heck, even "Tiny-wheels" N&W Class J clocked 112mph on a scheduled run during PRR trials. The magic of precision roller-bearings and well-balanced reciprocating mass.

it would be massively uneconomical to do train races, think about all the money

​@@welshtrainspottingchannelyeah but it would be cool

​@@welshtrainspottingchannelyeah but it would be cool

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It did? Which movie?

@@rudycarlson8245 A Series of unfortunate events (2004)

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​@@francoismurrell4604Exactly