One of the hilarious things about the AdMech Combat Patrol is that you can add 4 Ironstider Ballistarii to it and it still doesn't break 500 points!

Death Guard Combat Patrol: 1x Typhus 80x Poxwalker

poorhammer really went: ''fine, ill do it myself"" and actually did it better then a billion dollar company

Oh boy! I can’t wait for the reworked Custodes Combat Patrol: - Five Custodian Guard - Five Sisters of Silence - One Blade Champion

“Now one important note is that these are for beginners” Eric: “so this kit is built around kitbashing”

I really like the guard list but I would change one thing about it: for just a measly 25 extra points you could swap the Wyvern for a Basilisk and give the list an artillery piece that’s actually useful.

I 100% think you should do a full episode on this again, every army. Because even if you're not making an *actual* Combat Patrol, this is definitely a great topic to have as a "don't like the Combat Patrol box? Here's one you can make yourself. Lose out on the discount sure but at least it's better than what you got!"

Me: can't wait to see how they try to fix admech's combat patrol! Brad&Eric: *meme of the dude putting a hand on my shoulder*

31:45 - one has to say here that yes, in the lore the Hydra is anti-air, but in the current rules it is ANTI-FLY, which means it works against everything that flies: Aircraft, flyers, skimmers, barges, nearly all Eldar vehicles and tanks, Marines with jumppacks, Gargoyles, Angron ... everything that has the FLY keyword.

You know what combat patrols could really use, battleplans. A quick rundown on how to play the army would really help new players.

I'm a simple man, i see a poorhamer upload. I like it. I watch it, then i listen to the podcast version to hear the additional funny.

my local hobby group was actually talking about doing something similar! Do a small 500 point beginners-tourney, but make your own combat patrol! we added restrictions like only one monster/vehicle/walker in a list and no individual unit over 250 points. We also excluded primarchs and named characters. folks came up with some really great lists! :)

Not only do Ogryns and Bullgryns build from the same kit, but you can also build one as either a Bullgryn Bodyguard, or Nork Deddog - a named Bullgryn character.

So IG does have a generic no name single model HQ in the Cadian Castellan. If you were to swap the Command Squad for a Castellan, then you could switch the Wyvern for a Chimera and all the troopers could ride in it. 3 sets of this and a pair of Basilisks would be an incredible start to a mechanized guard army. Edit: this may be too much plastic, since they combined the two Russ boxes that tank is a tonne of plastic. You get a tank and a half in every box if they want to include all the cannons, because of how the sprues are laid out. That said, you could cut the old Demolisher sprue and only give half the options to save space. Upside, no chode, downside, no plasma.

Ogryns and Bullgryns are the same kit: I bought 2 of it to build ogryns and bought a box of 6 Ogor Maneaters (cheaper than even 3 ogryns let alone 6) to kitbash the Bullgryn bits onto. Took a lot of sawing and greenstuffing, but worked like a charm!

I definitely would love this as a series. Would love to see Death Guard, Chaos Daemons and I would find it funny if they made a chaos knights combat patrol that is just the wardog box with an extra wardog.

Also, I’ve started listening to the Fall of Cadia audiobook. I immediately hated every voice the narrator chose for every character. So I looked up what other audiobooks he did, and saw he was the guy who did the Ahriman books as well. Haven’t listened to those, but I do remember Brad giving his thoughts on that performance.

Definitely needs part two, with Space Wolves and Leagues of Votann

That Ork list is almost exactly the next things I bought after the Combat Patrol when I got into the faction lol

Now do 11th Edition Launch Boxes and god help me if you use Space Marines

I think the Guard CP (your version) could be improved by replacing the hydra with another cadian squad and a sentinel. You need at least 60 infantry (imo) for a good guard list minimum

Comment from 4.30 into the video, if the box was 10 hell blasters, 5 intercessors/heavy intercessors/phobos, Blade guard and a HQ that could could enter the squad, it would be okay... ish. I got 5 old DA combat patrols on sale thanks to this one coming out. WIN!

a tech marine and one of each of the three dreadnoughts is about 500-550 points, a perfect combat patrol for space Marines

Looking forward to more of these mixed in with the other content. Sets of 3 with a guest list seems fun and hopefully manageable.

Still waiting for my Tzeentch combat patrol! It may be hard to do though, because there battle line having the split ability and blue/brimstone horrors would need to be included…

Cool episode. I look forward to a part 2 covering ad mech, Daemons, and T'au

Your guy's ork box had the extra benefit of including a Kill Team as part of it (like gw did with a few of the Boarding Patrol boxes)

I’ve been looking forward to an episode like this for a long time I really hope GW listens to this one

I really like your rendition of the Tyranids combat patrol and having a box full of duel builds is a great idea to make each purchase slightly different

I'm pretty happy with my eldar combat patrol but I wish 3 of the jetbikes were instead scorpions or hawks or something like that

Ah, one of those solid Poorhammer episodes I will probably be rewatching. This could be a solid, fun series. Maybe take guests for the third army. Future episode could perhaps point back to this one for more armies to be covered. So an aspect of the “pay attention to your boxes” rules is that you do not want your cheapest model in your Combat Patrol, as mentioned in the data episode. I feel like the Character is less of a must is why that Gravis Captain is in the Dark Angels box but that one is a travesty to be honest. It does not even have the new upgrade sprue in it. Which may be box size. What makes the Dark Angels and Space Marines boxes -worse- is the fact that these were the only two good boxes. With exception of Necrons, the only new good box, they are also starting to have a bad habit of taking out the Centerpiece model. Only nids and Crons have one. For fixing AdMech, Brad and Eric have discussed it before but make it GSC II. Put in the transport/tank and another box of Skitarii. Then you would have a solid box. That probably works out on the sprue sizes but probably does not work with the bean counters. Which is why AdMech need a dataslate overhaul to be more elite. The price identity and the gameplay identities really do not match. I wonder if Thousand Sons could be helped in their codex, if one were to pull a Plague Marines/Custodes and just let you run four Rubrics.

Hey guys, since you said you had a shitty week, I just wanted to say thanks because poorhammer kept me sane during my last bout of sickness two weeks ago. To the point your avatars have burned a bit in my tv so you are still there even when I'm watching other stuff xD

in the UK during 8th edition. GW hosted a "Crusader Sundays" event where people would come unschedueled to play matches against eachother armed with. : "a HQ (character), a troop (battleline) and 'something cool'" that was the philosophy of the original combat patrol boxes. giving you something you could take to that. some armies got a but more than that due to being a low points value army or something but everything had at least that much.

Would love to see this done for major SM and CSM chapters even those without a Combat Patrol currently.

Audio listener here to say good episode. 1000% interested in more of the crunchy numbers/rules episodes and more game design talk, those are my absolute favorite. The clickbait stuff is a nice palette cleanser sometimes, but your game design talks and crunchy breakdowns remind me why I love this podcast. Even the ones talking about an old edition I have never (and probably will never) play

I deeply appreciate your game designer brains sharing realistic fixes for GW. Keep episodes like this in the rotation!

With Sister's Combat patrol refresh upcoming, I'd love to see you guys take that one on.

Why are TS considered difficult? - Infernal Master - Exalted Sorcerers - 10 Rubric Marines - 5 Scarab Occult Terminators - Helbrute MSRP in € is 232,50. CB price is 125€, so this comes to about 46% discount. Useful units, characters, and the Helbrute as - somewhat unfluffy, but comprimises have to be made here - "flashy unit". GW would never do this, but I'd buy it.

For Orks, I'd either drop the lootas/burnas for a Gretchin kit, or drop the Kommandos and toss in a bonus sprue of boy bodies and second Spanner, that would enable building both halves.

I'd love to see more of this. It's always interesting to see how others would change the boxes of the factions I play.

Just finished my whole custom printed army of Grey Knights. I played Sunday, lost by a small margin, but put up an awesome fight. Printers for the win!

I was thinking when I heard the intro "golly gee I hope they fix the IG box" and damn y'all did a great job. One thing to say about the Hydra is that anti-fly 2+ swats down skimmers, jump infantry, and other bouncy assholes. Not a terrible waste of 95pts.

That was some genius work with the 'Nid box multibuilds.

I wood ad an imperial agendas combad patrol : 1 sniper assassin, 2 imperial knights armiger and 10 abitratoren. It makes 480 points and you get an 40% dicaunt. And you can play it as an imperial knight combad patrol an agendas combadpatrol and you can buy it if you want Allis for your imperial armees.

We all know why they're making such shit boxes, it's because it's cheaper for them and it keeps gouging their customers.

Man, I would be so keen if the Guard one became the actual Combat Patrol box.

I would LOVE to see all of the other combat patrol designs y'all can come up with!

Berilio killed it with the effects on this video. That highlighting on the tyranids intro was slick.

the imperial guard redesigned box looks so god damn good

Great episode. Not only would more like this be great, but seeing variants for each faction would be fun!

Please do more!

Idk about the shipping weight or sprue fitment in the box, but what comes to mind for me as a really strong combat patrol for guard would be this: cadian castellan, cadian command squad, 10 cadian shock troops (showcasing the combo stuff guard can do by having an officer and a command squad attached to the same unit), 10 kasarkin, a chimera and a leman russ shown as the nova cannon or pu isher gatling cannon variant. The castellan can attach either with the command squad on the regular cadians or to the kasarkin, the chimera can scout with the kasarkin inside and is basically a tank unto itself (plus having a lot of chimeras is not bad) and the leman russ is multibuild. By leaving either the castellan or the command squad at home you can also run the russ with a different gun, and guard collections like having lots of infantry. Cadians arent the most interesting but you can bring like 80 of them to a full sized game and that not be a terrible choice. The kasarkin are probably the most limiting here because at most you probably want 30 of them but you could run extras as tempestus scions and they are reasonably close in appearance (if i was in GW's position, id say they need to make universal "standard" and "elite" guard bodies and then regimental units would have head, arm and backpack swaps to make whatever regiment or elite guard they want, which would also make this box better too. Just make sure to have mix and match legs for posing variety). If youre feeling spicy, you could also have the castellan with the cadians, kasarkin on their own with the command squad in the chimera using it as a plasma bus (command squad can take 2 plasma guns, chimera has firing deck 2 and command vehicle so the command squad can issue orders 24" away from the chimera with master vox while firing overcharge plasma out the hatch without fear of hazardous, plus the chimera has some good daka on its own giving this list basically 2 tanks) while also tossing spare orders to the kasarkin, which also showcases some of the creative shenanigans you can get up to with guard. I know this doesnt have any artillery units and i dont really have much answer for that.

This was a great episode, would love to see more of it, as well as all thestuff about themed boxes for more factions!

I really liked this format. I clicked immediately hoping you guys revamped the AdMech :( but I understand lol. Would love to see you revamp every CP, I'm curious if you could do GSC even better. On a side note, I understand why GW wants to make Space Marine CPs not have chapter specific marines. But I still find it disappointing, the boxes would be so much cooler with a chapter specific character or unit like having the Inner Circle over Bladeguard Vets.

I absolutely love tge outro to the videos. Its so fitting for you guys.

Please make this a series

In sisters I would love to swap one of the weird unit sizes for making a full sized squad

Usually dont comment, but we'd love to see more reimagined Combat Patrols! CSM has a few themes you could try. -cultist heavy -mutation heavy (possessed+ obliterator&venom kit) -chaos marine boys and enough daemon engines to throw in as flashy centerpieces. And we'd love to see your takes on making Combat Patrol Daemons for each Chaos God.

Brad might feel pain when I say they use to have his Guard combat patrol as the "Defence force"es, which came in Cadian and Catachan Flavors. It swaps out the Ogryns for heavy weapon squads, the wyvern for a chimera, and add an extra infantry squad. And it was cheaper than the current combat patrol, even discounts and inflations factored in.

Can't wait to see the rest of your combat patrol rework ideas!

T'au Coldstar (110) $60 Striketeam (80) $60 Crisis Suits (200) $80 Broadside (90) $60 Totals at $260 for 480 points. It has things in it people will want and you can buy multiples to fill out a solid little army (with a couple of choice additions).

The two of you are a delight to listen to. I just found this channel, but it's exactly the itch I wanted to scratch. I love lore videos, and I love painting videos, but you rarely get the meta discussion about the hobby. The only other KZfaqr I know of that regularly does this is E0nsOfBattle, it's definitely a good niche to be in.

I would've left the Sentinel instead of adding the Wyvern. The issue with it is that, similar to the Hydra, it's a very skewed datasheet. It focuses too much on anti-horde and that's just gonna be useless against some lists (or armies in general), whereas the Sentinel is a general purpose platform. Also, I was gonna say to not sweat so much on the Cadian part since that uniform is just theg generic Guard one and could just build something like Necromundans or Harakonis, but it's true the Flag will still display the Cadian coat of arms.

For the guard box, having a chimea is still valid. Just put the bullygyrn or cadians without the command squad in the chimera chimera. Currently in CP guard do not want to attach cadians to the command squad since it too squishy and the command squad has an enchancemnt that give army wide order to all units so hiding them is way better.

On for the Daemons box set, it's also worth mentioning that it's a unique case that they're also playable in Age of Sigmar, so it would be kinda hard to implement the Combat Patrol of Chaos Daemons when you also need to account for how they function in Age of Sigmar. Now I don't play AoS, but the only compromise I could think of really is to make the box provide a unit from each faction and to throw in one Daemon Prince that can be aligned to any Chaos God, so it would be something like this: Daemon Prince Flamers of Tzeentch Beast of Nurgle Daemonettes of Slannesh Skull Cannon of Khorne The MSRP for the set comes out to be $255. Now, as I've said, Daemons can be made as a special case that you can advertise their "Combat Patrol" as a 2 armies in 1 box deal since they are playable in both 40k and AoS. If Old World were to be successful than there you go, that makes it 3! All of this at the price of $160 is pretty good since you practically get a Daemon Prince for free at that point. The Khorne Chariot also can be changed to have a leader which is kinda like the IG Lemun Russ deal. It was kinda hard to find a good showcase of what each Daemon faction are good at, Bloodcrusher would have been sick to add on top of the Daemon Prince but that would be pushing it. It currently all comes out at 560 pts, which is not bad at all and you can go for two or even three boxes if you wanted to. But yeah, it'd be nice if they did themed boxes that isn't Space Marines, it would be cool to see each Chaos God showcase what their minions are capable of doing on the battlefield.

The original dark angels combat patrol was great, I bought 3 and put a jump pack in one chaplain, kitbashed one with an indomitus outrider, and kept one stock

I'd be interested in an army variations episode. Such as what would a cult of speed patrol look like ect. Hope your week gets better Brad

Loved every new combat patrol!! Would love to see more episodes with different factions!!

Great episode and series idea! I just got into the hobby and have bought the old DA CP, and the 9th ed Space Marine CP. I’d really like to see CSM list as I started with the chaos cult kill team to play with my buddy. Please put in obliterators, lol, as they seem to be annoying to get. Your wife’s Tyranid list was very cool and I’d probably buy 4 to build 2x one way and 2x the other. Just a great idea.

You can ask 10 different wargamers on what should be in a starter box, and you would get 11 different arguments. These are just fine, and while I would do differently on the orks and imperial guard, I would buy the combat patrols discussed here.

You should find it a massive point of pride that as someone who has never played 40k and doesn't know the rules very well I can still follow along pretty easily and understand most of your video content at least on a basic level

The most infuriating part in Dark Angels is the Gravis Captain and not just because he can't join any of the squads. It's because the kit for Lazarus (one of their epic hero) is also the kit for a generic DA Captain in Tacticus Armor...which was the ideal HQ to put in this box. It wouldn't fix everything, but it would solve it's most glaring problem in my opinion.

That revised imperial combat patrol is neat; I would actually consider getting that box IF it had ogryns (although, from what I remember, Bullgryns cost more in points than regular Ogryns).

This was a great episode. I enjoyed the fact that you outlined rules for a good combat patrol, and acknowledged GW's position & limitations (e.g. satisfy the beancounter). I'd definitely like to see another episode line this, one for Space Marines (because it's the flagship faction) and a corrected Dark Angels (because it's my army and I want to hear what y'all have to say). Take it easy!

Please I'd do anything for another episode on this, I want to see more of these be good!

Easily one of my favorite videos from yall!! Super interesting choices and honestly a ton of creativity. I would love to see your guys' take on the Space Wolves (it just doesn't feel right even with the Hounds of Morkai) and C.S.M. (Even though they are still a sore spot for Brad)

I would be interested in seeing a necron combat patrol, and I'm happy to see this series continue! Best of luck to you both, see ya next week

Great episode, I think it would be really cool if the space marines had maybe three generic chapter specific boxes that way each one of those could have a specific specialty, but could also be used no matter what chapter you play

I think for Blood Angels - 5x Jump Assault Intercessors 5x Infiltrators/Incursors 1x Jump Captain 1x Brutalis Dread 1x BA Upgrade Sprue That's sticking with the "no firstborn" rule and avoiding special characters or chapter specific units.

Ngl, I was hyped to see the title of this episode thinking it was an attempt to rebuild the old Combat Patrol/Patrol Clash rules for 10th, and now I'm crushed lol.

Great idea for a video, looking forward to the next one

You guys need to make this a series on your channel. Would love to see more factions with better combat patrols.

Brad, a quick way to change the IG patrol around to make it more like Drukhari / get a single HQ, is to use the Cadian Castellan. He can lead the single squad of shock troops allowing you to trade out the bulgryn for something like attilan rough riders or tempestous scions. Then the wyvern becomes a chimera holding one of the 2 troops and issuing an order allowing for a fun battlefield flexability while learning a new and unique army rule!

I wanna see more of these!

awesome episode! please make more of these "build Building better combat patrols"

Would love to see more of this.

can't wait to see the project eluded to whenever the imperial guard combat patrol was mentioned!

if you guys do this again, I'd love to see what boxes you'd make to follow the "good" Combat Patrols like Drukhari, Grey Knights, GSC and Custodes.

Ive been playing custom combat patrol lists with my mom and it has been really fun

Please continue this series!

Death Guard is pretty much a legal obligation for part two

That Ork list looks like a ton of fun, and ohhh yeah, the Tyranids one would be absolutely lovely to get my paws on.

So nice, I watched it twice. Podcast gang here! Would love to see a second edition of this.

Awesome episode. Can't wait for the next set of CPs!

This seems like it could be a pretty bangin’ series

The angle they've taken with the Space Marine combat patrols in 10th (Typical Ultramarines, Dark Angels, and we can assume the rest follow suit to some capacity) feels more like the Boarding Actions sets they released early last year.

As a guard plate here is what I would do for guard. It involves this one simple trick. Basically how the Leman Russ kit works is there is one bottom sprue and two top sprues. The top sprues each contain one of the russes two turrets and the rest of the hull. So basically if you put those three Leman Russ sprues in you can add an entire extra Leman Russ for just 1 3rd of the price of a Leman Russ. So basically here is the list. 1 leman Russ that can be a:battle cannon, vanquisher, exterminator or eradicator. 1 leman Russ that can be a: demolisher, executioner or punisher. 1 heavy weapons squad 1 box of bullgryn 1 box of cadian shock troupes 1 cadian command squad. The reasoning for swapping the bullgryn for a heavy weapons squad is for increased customization. If you wanted to you could fit the heavy weapons into the cadian squad and make infantry squads. It’s way more value but is actually less plastic than your list.

fire episode as always

I'd love to see more of these kinds of videos, as for who I feel like a better death guard and t'au would be awesome

how tf did i miss this when it was out like i swear i was binge listening to you like 30 minutes earlier whilst painting minis