Eight years as a fire/arson investigator, and I have the same question!

I gotta agree... around here we're adamant that first priority is immediate water-on-the-fire to start putting a lid on the ambient temperature and prevent more flashup.

Seems to be a common theme of most fire scene KZfaq videos.

Probably was R.I.T

@@dlt2154 Even if the pre-assigned RIT gets to the job first, no competent FD is going to leave that be without reassignment. First arriving will take initial investigation/attack, 2nd/3d arriving or 1st rescue arriving will be re-assigned as RIT. You don't just get to the fire first and say 'well that's not our assigned job' while you wait for the 1st due to navigate a traffic jam.

Why are the so called professional firefighters, so languid and casual before fighting the fire ? What are they waiting for, a delivery of sticks and marshmallows to put on them ?

If you read the description you would learn the interior attack was impeded due to locked doors and inappropriate stowage.

happyjack880 well said!

They were making an interior attack which is why they weren’t using exterior lines at first.

Maybe they’re talking strategies and tactics , sounds like they got a fire attack group inside and that’s why you buy insurance....I think for a small department they did a great job

You have to wonder sometimes if they'd move a bit faster if it was their house. I have to admit, I'm in no real position to criticise, I'm sure they know more than me. Maybe being calm and taking your time is advantageous in the long run.

There you go, learn before you talk. Reading further down, the men seemingly messing with equipment were a rapid intervention team to help firemen in danger, not firefighters. Got to learn to bite my lip before making comments, apologies.

Definitely. Putting the wet stuff on the red stuff still works.

That's what they should be Doing! But That would probably be against the RULES as stated by "truck company officer BFD15" Below! (A Bunch Of Bullshit) !!! Along with ("You all need to shut the hell up!") I have a better idea ..... YOU can Eat Shit!

@@k0smon Absolutely!

Not without a plan. Plus, spraying a lot of water will make things more difficult, potentially impossible, for the interior teams. Water damages stuff the fire hasn't necessarily yet.

+Archibald Mirenopteryx. What you say is only true when inexperienced firefighters pump thousands of gallons of water through the windows on a small domestic fire. Here in the UK, we still use hosereels outside once the crews have entered. Spraying water upwards onto ceilings rains down and slows the progress of the fire. A lot of training is required, along with good communications all round. Needless to say. care needs to be taken not to produce steam faster than it can exit the building. In the case of this video, while crews were kitting up to enter, it was becoming increasingly obvious that an interior attack would be futile and highly dangerous.

I call for foam yellow/brown . Liquid fire ..

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iNWXiNdh1ajZimg.html Example of a working department.

It sure does'nt appear they're fighting fire.. looks more like a coffee break to me

WTF is Correct! What Plan? Fire....hit it with water right away= Fire Out!

Richard Simpson it’s not that simple. If they hit it too hard and the building is already weakened, it’ll bring it down. If they just hit the outside, then think it’s out, and the inside flares up, then they have to do it all over again. It was already a total loss when they got there, just let it burn and control it.

Robert Bents Definitley not.

those guys standing around are the Rapid Intervention Team there ONLY job is to rescue Firefighters that call a mayday in the structure.In the video you can see them clearly putting equipment on the tarp that will aid them in rescuing fellow FF's....Some departments may have them put ladders up and stretch lines and thats it, also Richmond Fire is a small dept.

@@g23fire That is not the problem. But if nobody starts to attack the fire for a long time that is not a good thing.

dunno.....maybe they made entry from the back

Even you could not properly explain their actions, so quit being a smartass.

+Doug DiPlacido Touche! :)

+Doug DiPlacido thanks doug

Well said. Thanks Doug

I think Doug, that had I have been a taxpayer and had it been my business that was being destroyed, I would have every reason to be critical of professionally trained observers (although you call them backup), as they watched the business that I had spent years building up, being destroyed and did nothing to help me.

They're actually known as RIT or Rapid Intervention Team, who's sole job is to be ready incase crews get injured, trapped, close to running out of air etc inside the building. So it doesn't really matter what you think they should be doing, they are doing the job they were assigned to do and won't leave unless reassigned or activated and in those cases a new team will move into that task.

lol... i don't think they are frightened ....you don't know how long its been burning or the fuel load .They tried to make an interior attack and decided the "Risk was not worth the reward" so they went defensive and they all got to go home to there families.....Good call by Incident Command!

those guys are Rapid Intervention Team..... there job is to Rescue FF's , that get into trouble..ie run out of air, fall, get lost, fall through a floor, roof collapse etc

They tried that but were faced with blocked doors and stuff stored all over the place which hindered their attack.

No there is not, link it

NO it's not Hard They are incompetent Firefighters!

@@richardsimpson3136 Says the self pronounced expert behind his keyboard. Why aren't you out there, since you obviously know better than anyone else?

I don't care whose fire department it is, the first person off that truck grabs a line and starts putting water on the fire, PERIOD! You are not being paid to stand around and watch the fire grow, so you can get a fat check when you bill the insurance company - which many fire departments do when they go out on emergency calls.

@@5.2litrecat45AND THAT WHAT THEY DID DUMB ASS!! You clearly see the lines interior. They don’t put water where you want to make you fell better. They tried an interior push, and that didn’t work. But you don’t just see fire hit fire, especially with guys inside

@@5.2litrecat45and the standing around is RIT team and crews on deck ready to go to work, you clearly have no clue how fire scenes work

They did great job

They had hoses going into the building, which you can see at the start. They were trying to go up and put it out but were forced out due to the amount of crap inside.

Yeah after you got done pissing yourselves and having a tea break and crumpets and bon bons.

Robert Bents who has Bon Bons and crumpets you’ve been watching too many Downton Abbeys mate, 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

No they didn't! The first action they took was trying to get into the Building!

Richard Simpson - if they had put water on it when they first arrived instead of fucking around they could have saved it.

@@davidsonlankford1168 YOU got that right David!

these are USA modern fire fighters*

@@Sergio_Gomes474 Who's from the US in this video?

To let you know, new protocols are requiring SCBA and bunker gear to stay out of crew cabs for Cancer fears.

@@MrFlogx4 Thanks for that.

There were two crews working the interior from the moment the video started You do not spray water in from the exterior when there are crews working inside Unless of course your goal is to try and kill someone

Pecky_ _ boohoo!

Comment all you want. Its KZfaq.

RIT crew mate. They are there to rescue any injured/trapped firefighters so my guess thats their staging 1st aid area.

​@@paulpaardekooper7731 I feared at first, that's the kind of video this would be. I'm glad it isn't. If there's a bow truss roof, or some other critical hazard in there - I say keep them out. In this case, hazard was maze and hoarder-like storage. We get to see the result of that fire load. I think it's well justified here.

They are the rescue teams and the changeover crews. A breathing apparatus only lasts around 30mins, much less if you're working hard. Changeover crews are there ready to go.

Maybe you should educate yourself so you dont come off as so foolish

Ludo De Groote This is Canada, not America

Sorry, let me put this straight: "The Canadian way..." ;-)

+Ludo De Groote You're stupid either way

At the one minute mark you can see some guys taking a hose into the building. If you look at their feet, you can see there is already another hose going through that door. So what are you complaining about again?

You have to give them huge credit for something Ludo De Groote. It is very expensive to send firefighters and their equipment to a conflagration, so why not just stand around waiting for the fire to become worthy of fighting ? Surely it is basic common sense and good use of a turnout.

Nobody cares.

The criteria for what constitutes as a "negative comment" could be virtually anything to some people.

+Carl Dumont It's called, Hoping they learn something. Most don't they just complain about the common sense they hear from logical people.

You discuss fire departments learning something, but you fail to learn from me. I have reasonably discussed tactics and physics of fire with you and you still spout the same garbage. Your assessment of this fire is incorrect as usual. You epitomize the moth to flame firefighting that most bad firefighters follow. Do you really think that anything on that second floor is salvageable? If so you are really stupid. If you think that spraying a hose stream into this structure through the window will put this fire out or even benefit you are also stupid, It wont. This is a type 3 constructed building with either a open web bar joist or open web wood truss constructed roof with plywood or metal decking. It is going to collapse. That is a given. You throw out these pearls of wisdom or as you call it common sense from a logical person but your statements have no merit. You talk big about protecting the business owners stuff but you say nothing about salvaging the first floor or protecting the unit to the D side of the unit of origin. I too don't think that they did a good job but for very different reasons. NOTHING they are going to do will extinguish that fire. That building is easily 80 -100 feet deep and at least 15 feet wide. That is easily 1500 square feet with a drop ceiling likely 10 feet from the floor. The parable of the ark of a hose stream will not allow the water to penetrate into the structure very far. It will likely hit the t bar ceiling and collapse it, and then fall straight down. You can see the T bars through the window. You spray water into that structure with stock piled to the ceiling and you will extinguish nothing of value with no penetration. There is a stock room to the rear of the occupancy with burning stock so there was access delays to the rear. There is fire involving everything on the second floor so you will save nothing on that floor. Even if you deck gun that structure fire you will not extinguish or even get a reasonable knock down. You have to focus on the exposures and what you can save not just spray water on flames at a window. Spraying water into a building with firefighters inside is irresponsible and dangerous. So that is not an option. If you flow a deck gun flowing water at 1000 gpm per minute. In ten minutes you will have flowed 10,000 gallons on to the second floor of a structure that is not very strong to begin with. The added weight is over 80,000 lbs. That makes salvaging the first floor dangerous. Not to mention the upstairs stock that is also likely very heavy, so overloading the second floor is dangerous. So again your statements are not valid. You constantly suggest that firefighters freelance on the fire ground. You have a serious issue with authority figures. The Incident commander is coordinating the operation. If you just do what you want then the operation will be a disaster. you will risk firefighters lives and do more damage. Now most firefighters on you tube suck. But your ridiculous statements do nothing to change that because your tactics also suck. The guys standing outside are a Rapid Intervention Team. A requirement by OSHA. OSHA's Respiratory Protection Standard, 29 CFR 1910.134. Look it up. They are not there to fight fires they are only there to respond to firefighters trapped or injured. They cannot fight fire. They can assist with movement of hose lines outside but have to stay mission ready. I would guess that you would also disregard OSHA regulations as well. They are figures of authority. So keep making pampas statements of how great you are and making comments that accentuate your lack of general and firefighting knowledge. It is really entertaining.

TCO BFD15, top fucking comment. Well said, sir.

@@truckcompanyofficerbfd1592 Well stated... But he won't learn or listen.

😂😂

Youve clearly never worked a fire in your life

@@virgilhilts3924 Actually I have worked many fires , in homes , garages , attics , trailers , grain elevator ( had help from a water bomber on that one ) , natural cover , cars , aircraft , also dealt with fires at aircraft crashes , flight deck crashes ( some Navy time there ) , wheels up landings , hot brakes , bird strikes , ship board fires , MVA s , roll overs , Jaws of Life extractions , first aid calls , CPR , ( one human , one dog ) explosive ordnance disposal , thats about it I think in 32 years !

@@gregmackenzie5822 An experienced firefighter would have known those firefighters "standing around" were RIT/OD crews. An experienced firefighter wouldn't make an assertion of "ease" not knowing the interior conditions An experienced firefighter would have known there was a crew working the interior based on the lines/steam But thanks confirming you are NOT an experienced firefighter

Please explain....

Scene safety is one thing, but that was absolutely ridiculous

They’re meant to be getting ready in the fire truck. So that when they get there hoses out fire out. They do that in the U.K they have the gear in a room so that the boots and jackets are ready. Then all they do is get the hoses connected.

NO! YOU NEED TO SHUT THE HELL UP! It took them to long to get started Pouring on the WATER! ALSO this was NOT Filmed in the USA!! (FACT) From The Notes: "This video was not filmed in the United States nor under/by US fire regulations, according to the postscript, it was filmed in Richmond, Britsh Columbia, Canada." (So SCREW ALL of your Bull Shit Diatribe !)

I agree pour some water down its throat.

For those that never worked as a first responder as I have , you all need shut up , Till your arse is really on the front lines and properly trained , Safety is #1 protocol B4 anything else takes place , it takes time to evaluate and set up Everytime your on scene . Some think it's so easy run a line and dump water , yeah ok , same as going in a smoke filled building and extract some one , I've taken the training and trust me it's very hard and not a easy job , no body enters without full evaluation , power lines , power access to structures all must be taken care of , finding the most direct way to battle the blaze is essential . So many Arm chair professionals with no clue to how to conduct a rescue , battle a blaze it respond to a emergency properly and have not even a second if training to begin with . Till you put in the time and training and pass all that's nessecary to conduct such operations , just keep quiet it's people like you that get others hurt 😬

Truck Company Officer BFD, I don't think I could have said it any better than you did. It was a write off from the time this video started.

Yea!

I basically am aware of where this building is. Weird to see a building fire of a building I would have driven by near many times (my hometown). Those reading that know area around Bridgeport Shell Road area -Richmond, BC- from what i recall. 1980s era built buildings