I always use old conveyor belting and tyres. Safer, metal on metal in heavy rain is not good.

The difficulty these guys had that day is now immortalized forever.

I'm not an HE Operator but I've been around construction long enough to know that rain on steel makes things very slippery and when you have mud acting like a sheet of ball bearings between steel track and a steel deck you're going to have problems.

How many times do you think he's used the luggage rack?

guy I used to work for used old conveyor belts and some keep a few tires but most have nothing. Ive only slipped back myself once in 17 years and it was the same situation as the video where it was raining and the truck was pointing uphill which made the ramps steeper. Scared the shit out of me.

@Chris Maginnis We use to have the same problem a lot of the time. We got some old conveyor belts from a mine and put them on the ramps when we load. It makes a load of difference

I run into this problem every-time its wet because of flush ramps but there is an easy solution. Just hook a log chain to the trailer and lay it down the middle of each ramp. The track cleats can then grab the links of the chain and you can cruise right up with no slipping. Easy and quick.

Hey, old gravel hauler here. As soon, as i started the video, seen the rain/wetness, i knew you'd have trouble. THAT TRAILER is NOT DESIGNED, for loading a cat, in the rain. THERE IS, OF NECESSITY, TO HAVE extra heavy angle iron, welded to the trailer ramps, and even onto the trailer deck, sometimes a wooden deck, just doesn't ' cut it'.....for traction/adhesion in the moisture. Steel, with alotta weight, in the wetness of continual rain, doesn't WORK. (( The bosses son, was '' squished like a bug.''' attempting to do this same thing, when the cat tipped over..... (To quote, his other living brother.......) i wasn't there at the time.....

operator did good! keep in mind the weather and slipryness on the ramp

Back in about 78' my friend was putting a Case crawler on a Miller tilt top one snowy icy morning, just at the point when he reached the apex & the top was about to close back down the tracor spun off the side! He's a highly skilled operator but also lucky in every way his whole life no matter what he does, and this was one of those days. When the tractor hit the pavement on it's side, my friend was somehow unscathed & standing right inside the rollcage! When the Sherriffs deputy showed up, he walked around the tractor & with a smug look on his face said " I thought you're supposed to have these things chained down when you move em'! My buddy said " I was loading it! He told me the cop felt kind of stupid and just said "oh". Lol

Once again...turbo-diesel equipment exhaust stacks need to be covered, while in transit, otherwise the turbo's bearings will dry spin.

Ahh the old tire trick. That's what I carry too

Been there, High Pucker Factor. Good job to the operator for getting it loaded. I like planking on the deck.

Cover the exhaust to stop dry spin of the turbo bearings wtf!? I thought id heard some crazy ideas in my time but that's gotta be a world record.

this tractor weights in probably at about 8 tons and is allowed to be loaded up to 26 tons (7.5 on front wheels, 11.5 on drive and 7.5 on the rear lift axle, but total no more than 26 tons) so there are about 18 tonnes needed on the tractor to fully load it. the trailer adds on the truck 3 or 4 tonnes, maybe, so lets say 14 tonnes of that load need to rest on the tractor so I think this is about right.

I live in Alabama and recently ran into this when I bought a TD20B from up in Tennessee and had it shipped in. Alabama required a front escort and rear facing position if wider than the bed. Apparently from my understanding a governor had a family member killed by a "bladed" piece of equipment.

alot of guys will just keep the engine running if its a short run For those that dont know why Its not blow back that causes the turbo to spin (most of the time) It is the ventury effect The exaust pipe becomes a vacume Kinda like a carbrator And it will suck every thing from the valves open to oilseals out

Two tires for sale, cheap!!! Nice job on getting it loaded. I wonder if it slips when dry or only when the weather is wet?

Makes sense if you understand the basic fluid mechanics... a high-speed fluid (air) moving perpendicular to an opening (the exhaust pipe) will result in pressure drop at the top of the pipe, which of course creates a pressure differential across the turbine and makes it spin. Although it will not spin very fast of course...

I've got a D8H of about that vintage - doesn't get much use. I could let you run it a bit if you are feeling nostalgic. I've also got a D6H LGP a lot like the one in the video - gets much more use. Two thoughts on the video - cleats on those wood ramps would help with traction for tracked vehicle loading, and where are the blade guards? I can't haul my D6 (or the D8) on highways in PA without blade guards. I guess they don't use them wherever this video came from.

Worse when only one track slips and they spin sideways on the ramps :-)

That actually was the operator of the dozer. Its the UK/Ireland so operators generally load their own stuff. I worked in Canada for a year and noticed that the truck drivers load the equipment. Don't know if its the same in the USA?

owned 13 cats from time to time, none quite this big. Loading backwards will give you no more traction, don't know how someone figured that one out. What he needs is welded on heavy metal bars for grousers to grip, or, as Ive used at times, recap off of a thrown truck tread, bolted many places to the ramps so that he can get purchase there.Id have gone for a dry day also if possible. As suggested, lower deck with removeable neck is the best way to go on this one. Also, not nearly enough tie down chains. Pretty dangerous if one breaks.

loading even small equipment can be tough on wet days

Welcome to Briton, where the rain is constantly pissing on your soul!

Detachable gooseneck trailers are often preferable for tracked equipment. Failing that, a lowboy needs a winch.

Please describe how covering the exhaust keeps the turbo from dry spinning.

The best thing about the D8H is that you didn't need a heater because the hydraulic tank was your right arm rest.

That ain't no dozer operator and the other guy ain't no truck driver !! Put some wood down is all you have to do. It's common sense.

In the last, and successful attempt, you can see wood sheeting on the ramps. The dozer's track can bite into them and the wood can bite into whatever traction aids are embed in the ramp.

I think he's one of those people who aren't satisfied unless it rolls 10 times and everyone dies in a massive explosion .

wow this is some crazy good video quality from 10 yrs ago

The point is not what stuff you load but that you don't load it on to steep steel ramps while its raining. They have more sensible trailers to load equipment on to in the North of Canada or Alaska where im presuming youre from. I have worked there myself.

Never had too many problems loading these bigger machines on the patch but small dozers on frozen decks -40 a real heart stopper. Never had one come off but have had to try a few times before successfully getting the small ones on safely.

LOL I HATE when that happens BUT then again that is why we put wood on ramps - you have to be smarter than what you are working with

Big fancy trucks look good but cost a lot of money because there are very few in this small country that doesn't have a lot of big equipment. We would make no money if we where not efficient with transportation costs.

"Steel on steel, no deal. Steel on wood, good."

Good informative comment, thanks.

Most of you probably never loaded a VW Rabbit on a low bed. Never mind a machine like this, in the rain. You would need an oxygen mask just to sit in the cab.

This is local to me. The reg on the car is from my county and going by the dealership sticker on the rear window, it was bought from a dealership 2 miles from me. Such a small world seeing this on YT

Looks like an LGP D6. The real operator is generally never around to load/off load the machine.It would have helped them a bit if they kept the blade a low as possible to shift the CG as close to the front of the machine as possible.Most truck driver then to back up when loading but I am thinking pushing the CG so far to the back would have caused more problems,you'd have to use the blade to stabilize to load,it would just turn into a cluster.They did a good job-for a couple of truck drivers. :)

I am a heavy equipment operator (both Military and Civil ) and it would appear from my trained eyes that the objective of moving a Blade from A to B on the back of a trailer was ultimately achieved 🤷🏻‍♂️ Whilst not ideal conditions to carry out such a procedure on that type of trailer it is apparent that they have used this setup previously and simply got round the problem by improvising on the day. All the experts out there in KZfaq land no doubt have their own theories. But the entire load left as planned.

Covering exhaust during transit is cheap insurance something I have done for many years. Some stacks face forwards which can allow dirt-water&possibly allow the turbo vane to turn. Most turbo's like my Cat 650 Crawler are either water or oil cooled I have yet to see or hear of one having sealed bearings because of how hot the turbo gets hours on end. My Cats D-9 came from the factory with a cover in the manual it states stack is to be covered when ever it's not being operated or in transit.

Ive never seen one backed on to a truck ever. Don't know if theres any particular reason why its done that way though.

It’s slippery with the rain and why do pilot car people always park too close to where a person is loading equipment?

we don't have enough big equipment to justify side loaders or the other break-neck type. It used to be a lot worse years ago when all we used was tractors and homemade narrow trailors that were too high with too steep ramps.

Good camera work. Too often videos taken during inclement weather show more of the moisture on the lens than the subject.

Why do that when the action was only 30 seconds in?

I take it you were expecting a bulldozer to fall off a moving truck, run over two cars destroying them completely before exploding and catching on fire?

Your right about the "double the weight per surface area" scenario BUT this only works IF you also make the GROUND CONDITIONS favorable for a TRACKED vehicle. Coefficient of traction dictates a tracked vehicle has about .90 efficiency in normal dry dirt. Put the same vehicle on ICE and it drops to .12 efficiency. The wet, muddy, metal trailer coupled with the incline of the ramp makes for a very low tractive effort display. So in dry dirt, your example would SHINE :) on a wet trailer not so much

Hauling any type of tracked equipment in wet conditions is a disaster waiting to happen

I didn't realise there where drivers in those wind turbines. Must be a lonely job on the ones out at sea.

Mr. Right Tire was like, "Bitch you can't hurt ME!!!!!!"

Its not like an excavator, you cant push yourself up with the blade.

@ JD HOGG... 600 TONS,, really ?? drop a decimal & divide by 2 maybe. good lord.. 600 tons btw is 1,200,000.. thats one MILLION and 200 K lbs.. The only thing capable of that kind of weight is like a Belaz 75710 Dump Truck. the largest in the WORLD.. used in Mining etc..

So you can confirm this dry turbo spinning in the wind thing is bullshit?

Belfast, Northern Ireland to be precise.

Like! Driver had a hell of a solution. Kool, The rain is the ice & the tires are the gravel.

You called Cat,Komatsu and Volvo! Dude, that's like so OCD.

Good job for loading it :)

Where is that site, I think its Preston/Leyland/Chorley. It looks very familiar? Who's dozer was it?

OK Im pretty sure this wasn't in the USA because of the type of truck so a couple of questions: Whats the GVWR of the trailer and how much does the dozer weigh? Usually something of this size gets put on a 4 axle lowboy where I drive trucks.

I guess you just don't get out that much. The reason that exhausts are covered precisely that, to keep from dry spinning the turbo.

Wonder why the dozer has a cargo rack on its roof, how much stuff does the driver need to carry around?

As an amateur, that's a scary scenario! It wasn't even raining when my rig slipped off the top of the ramps. Pucker factor was high AF! It's neat to see it done better than I could

oh, and the 5th wheel on eurotrucks is a lot further forward than on the american ones so some of the cargo weight goes to the front wheels

There's never any velcro around when you need it.

They did that and got it up third time.Its in the video if you watched longer

Glad it turned out OK. I was afraid that it would be one of those videos where the Cat ends up on its top.

It used to be the exhaust had flappers on the stacks to solve any issues in question at this time but the majority of equipments stacks face to the side which helps prevent air or most water & dirt from getting in the stack. I contacted Cat and was told some of the turbo's with thousands of hours on them & with nothing wrong with them have had to be replace because of not being covered during transit this is why they insist they be covered when not in use. I do not play games with my equipment.

That is the danger zone of flipping the whole machine on its side. Good skills and rubber will do the work. speed isnt always the answer as it would create a spin and tilt the machine

Odd, I always thought the wind drove wind turbines. Do you create the wind?

The flipping breakover point on the trailer gets you every time. The dang machine is on a point pivot and it pirouettes on that hard point. That is if you get there before slipping back. I did this once the stupid way in the rain and I'll never do it again. Especially hard with a hystat since the steerage gets twitchy at low speed.

Helium balloons, that's the answer.... you're going to need a lot of them, though.

If you look closer you will see the chains behind the lower idler, and around the tracks at the front.

Steel on steel is like rubbing two ice cubes together its not the weather.

ive used them before, a good trucker will have them for situations like this.

The exhaust is sideways so there is not going to be anything blowing down it even if wind could turn the turbo. With that logic you should then cover the exhaust pipe every time you park it. Id put my money on it being an urban myth amongst the heavy equipment fraternity. Ive had people tell me the craziest things over the years which ive known and proved are bullshit.

Am I the only one that noticed that the dozer does not appear to be chained down in a very proper manner? I was always taught to chain from the outside of one track to the other side of the trailer both ways.

this just brings up the thought of ice cleats. i know thy would destroy the trailer but i have seen so many dozers and excavatrs stuck in stickey situations with all the guys sitting there scraching their heads wondering why the tracks are slipping. they may only be little knobs but sometimes they are the difference beteen geting your equipment out and loosing it for good.

Aren't you supposed to use hair spray or something on the ramps first?

A sprinkling of sharp sand works wonders for grip

Could you explain exactly how that works? I'm struggling to see how the turbo would spin in the first place

They did all right. I've put that same dozer on a trailer smaller than that. I wasn't going but across the other side of the interstate.

You've joined the forum and posted 100 serious no spam posts then?

In california, real haulers have a BULL PINE bed and the same on the ramps. This wood is useful for really nothing else - stringly, pitchy, and almost impossible to cut on a portble mill without special blade lube, but outlasts oak, and gives fantastic bite to tracks. Saves a lot of disasters. And YES - where the hell are the tie downs on this slip sliding beast? Probably fell off the trailer on the first turn.

Dude, did you do some scientific study that proves that wet weather wasn't a contributing factor to the dozer slipping? I can tell you now for a fact it is because its happened to me. Its never happened to me in dry weather. 3 things caused the dozer in the video to slip. 1. steel on steel. 2. The truck being parked uphill which makes ramps steeper. 3. Rain which makes the ramps greasy.

What size of dozer is that? I can see where the D designation is but I can't really tell. Looks pretty big compared to the car. A D8 would be my guess.

We always load with about 7ft long rubber mats it makes it a lot simpler.

Usually on a small road like that, yes. They generally drive ahead on small roads and behind on the highway.

diecastearthmoving is right. when you load dozers backwards they only spin more because of their center of gravity. only small dozers are loaded backwards

I have done this for 30 years...1st thing wrong ..Put sand and salt on deck.2nd.thing back on it keeps the tracks tight.& push down with blade as backing on.

good point

A couple of chain binders to the track pads and no chains up front is inexcusable whether it’s wet or dry. US Dot would have a field day!

I know nothing of loading or moving these huge dozers but wouldn't a ramp that has something for the tracks to lock onto be helpful? I can picture a series of ridges running up the ramps that would allow the tracks to literally grab onto and keep it from sliding.

Definitely needs some cleats welded onto the ramps and beaver tail section. If all else fails, use 3 or 4 old tires on each side to try and prevent slipping as they did

reverse up then use your blade on the ramps?

Been there, done that. Steel tracks and a wet steel deck don't go together at all!

The operator should have placed wooden boards on the trailer ramp to help give it traction. Metal on metal is no good. I work at the facility in Peoria, IL that makes these track type tractors and that's what we use when loading onto the flat beds.

Do they not have a detachable neck lowboy over there?