Highly disrespectful of the guy to pretend he doesn't understand the indian accent of the Phd guy when he was fact checked on quantum mechanics. I saw what he did there, english is not his first language and he wouldn't let him complete what he saying and then say I don't understand, for anyone who wants to know about this topic further then put in the youtube search bar : Why Does Quantum Entanglement Defy All Logic? | Secrets Of Quantum Physics Lastly before he left he agreed his modal logic subscription is to an idea that controversial in philosophy and he was simply trying to state that under his particular view of modality an infinite regress of causes can exist.

This guy will even tell his lecturer he's wrong

This whole conversation is an infinite regress. 😅

His boy in the pinky red top got shook from Shabur 😂😂😂 started having to vape extra hard to cope with the spot light being put on him 😂😂

You know to stay calm when Suboor walks into a scientific debate

How arrogance can hinder ones growth! This young boy is the perfect example. May Allah swt guide us all.

Im happy to see Alex on this side. ya Allah open his heart and lead him to serve in your pleasure ya Allah gift him with Islam. ameen

Why is he so afraid to let others speak? Subboor was patient in allowing him to convey his points, but he was always interjecting everyone. Too insecure?

1 is debating logic 1 is debating egotism

O Allah, please keep Brother Suboor in Your protection and guidance always. Aamiin

Oh my goodness... He's arguing because he just doesn't want to look stupid.

It's impossible to argue with people like this.

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Great respect to our knowledgeble brothers.

Best part,his friend even left 😂

Nice to see Saboor invite Alex into the conversation, May Allah open the heart of Alex towards Islam.

Subboor the beast in the park 💪

This guy keeps saying I disagree, then Subboor puts him in his place, and then he says i wasn't disagreeing with you😂😂😮

When you Think you have a Clue but then Br Saboor enters the Arena!! 👏👏👏

The guy with the red shirt he was getting to my nerve until subor humbled him

This kid needs to allow people to finish their sentences…

When a student pretends to know more than the learnered.

JazakAllah'u khairan

That’s what happens when one has a KZfaq phd and another one who actually studied and has a real phd 😂😂 !!

This young boy is the perfect example of a deluded arrogance !!. BUT Anyway , an excellent job from you, my brother, Mr. Saboor !!🧠👏👏👏👏

Subboor is a very good teacher. When the student doesn't understand, Subboor then comes at it from another example that can be easier to digest. The Indian gentlemen is also really well spoken.

The contradiction he was failing to understand is that he's claiming that an ENDLESS series can END....then again he did say that a rose is not a rose

When he was getting destroyed by the PHD guy he started saying I don't understand your accent.

"can I catch the bus if there is infinite number of ppl I ask for a pound?" Answer: no you can't Explanation: if I ask a number of ppl a pound goes back at infinitum then it goes forever without a starting point. If there's no starting point then it will never reach the point where I receive 1 pound, therefore I can never catch the bus. Very simple explanation, If Suboor Ahmad explained the reason why the answer "can't" ..the Atheist guy couldn't have used the modal logic argument.. because if his answer was "can"..then he would have to explain how is the infinity going backward has a starting point..then he would have found the contradiction in his answer.

Imagine if Sharif Abu Laith was there

The kid is smart. He made a lot of definitional errors, but was attempting to stay faithful to logical reasoning. However, he is super arrogant, he will not grow in wisdom if he continues arrogance. If he, however, fights the arrogance within his heart, he has potential. May Allah guide him to Islam.

He has fooled himself and does know anything actually. He has fooled himself with the little he knows. You can see this when he contradicts the most simplistic things if you are forever asking for a pound to get on a bus…you will never get on the bus. A rose isn’t a rose? He is just saying things for the sake of saying it became of his pride

My brain just lit a 💡 in min 25:00 ..... that's why subbor told him he is so confident and so deluded 😅

Black guy on the left was waffling nonsense. It was his bruised ego and insecurities speaking, not him. Laughable.

This was a perfect example of bias and rhetoric, with none of my crucial arguments being sufficiently challenged by Soubour. The discussion about the burden of proof and quantum mechanics was completely irrelevant to the debate. The focus should have been on the contingency argument, but Soubour kept avoiding it. Throughout the debate, whenever I tried to pursue a line of reasoning, Soubour only sought to score debate points for the crowd and demonstrated a lack of understanding of various philosophical concepts: He had no idea what modality is or how to use it properly. He wasn't aware of the Principle of Sufficient Reason (PSR) or which causal principle he was using. He lacked knowledge of metaphysics, including the distinction between metaphysical and logical possibility. He used modal logic to discuss causal finitism but didn't understand what it meant. Soubour didn't demonstrate a clear victory and failed to show how I was wrong or how his position was right. It seemed like he relied on intuition as if it were equivalent to logic, which it isn't. Quantum mechanics may challenge our intuitions, but it doesn't contradict logic itself. Any unbiased spectator familiar with the subject matter can see that this was not a win for the theists. Those who confuse modal possibility with an actually existing thing are mistaken. (See 34:23 for clarification.) At 22:35, the debate seemed over, as Soubour dodged the question and begged it instead. His argument was invalid and didn't follow the laws of logic. I may return in the future to address other mistakes Soubour made, but for now, I hold no ill will towards anyone in this debate. My aim is to expose the confusion surrounding these topics and provide a better examination of Soubour's position to demonstrate its flaws.

Suboor is very patience when almost everyone left the conversation, even other atheists, because how nonsensical everything that the pom pony tail guy was saying.

Bro sobuur lost it when the guy didn't listen 😊

Also, the fact that he says every claim requires burden of proof, is a claim that puts the burden of proof on him to prove that, and every subsequent claim he makes to support that claim is claim that also independently requires a burden of proof, ad infinitum.

We are always proud of having Muslims like saboor,Mansur,hijab, adnan.

this kid isn't here to learn or express what he believes in, just to talk back the way others to him. what's the point of even being there when he isn't even willing to listen. most of the stuff went over my head bcuz he couldn't stop talking, just had to interrupt.

Here: finished the burden of proof argument that guy is posting. In America we have a concept of judicial notice, which means that the court accepts certain facts (and claims) as true without any "burden of proof" being placed on anyone.

This guy was certainly a confident delusional

16:15 Ali Dawah left the chat after that man's statement😂😂

"This is the problem when scientists don't study philosophers". Yet he's talking about particles. Next he'll be claiming that ducks say quark quark instead of quack quack!

masterclass by Brother Subboor mA Allahuma barik

My guy doesn't even know what the words he is using mean: modality does not mean what he thinks it does.

They intentionally wont grasp the concepts of infinity, the other guy admitted. And then they try to argue so obviously it wont make sense and discussion is going nowhere.

Brother Suboor. You could have refuted him on his own terms: contradictions. You cannot ride a bus while also awaiting the cost of riding the bus (which will take an infinite amount of time).

People will ask questions *5 seconds after the question* *Interrupts* Please let brother Suboor speak and listen.

The burden of proof (BOP) fallacy is an informal fallacy involving the failure to recognize or properly assign the BOP in a persuasive reasoned dialogue, that is, an interchange between two or more parties whose aim is to prove or defend a position and, in doing so, persuade the other side of its truth or plausibility.

Nice to see max b got released

I believe that whenever someone makes a claim. And the other one doesn't believe it, then you must explain on what basis your claim is.

Baraka ALLAHU fikoum

how does he have the patience to talk to these people? I would've left the moment the other guy said its possible for him to ride the bus if there was an infinite regress of people he had to ask for change.

infinity is an ideal nonphysical and purely mathematical concept. in other words, it doesnt exist. we simply use infinity to analytically solve math modeled problems. As soon as we go back to numerical/physical side, infinity becomes a high value and no more than that.

Wow he is going so hard to confuse himself

I like this Subhoor. He usually is to nice and now showed he is a lion and did not play around.

The reality of infinity is a philosophical question, NOT a mathematical question. Attempting to make sense it from within the bounds of Naturalism will always lead to a failure.

Philosophically, if we're suggesting that infinite is defined as endless, he would be asking for 1 pound endlessly. therefore, he would never get the 1 pound to catch the bus. Which would be an infinite regression.

Is that Doug Demuro in the red tshirt?

Kid is smart af

bro you almost burst my eardrums

Young lad to a PhD physicist.. you tell me and I'll tell you how you're wrong. 🤯 Bottom line.. you're not catching the bus!

Guys, Anyone knows if he took the bus in the end?

May Allah guide all atheists Ameen I don't understand why are they following something that they can't defend or which they can't even explain.

He said there is no contradiction in the bus example so it's possible and he only count the contradictory , the contradiction in Premise itself in the first place because there is no infinite into our universe.

17:30 the atheist is afraid to admit it. "What's the argument?" Do you agree? Yes or no? And he keeps dodging the question. 😅

lol African guy got scared and started waffling...hahahaha

Thanks for blowing my ears out 27:46

OMG this had me dying😂😂😂 "Bro he has a PhD in physics" "I DONT CARE WHAT HE HAS ITS WRONG!! YOUR CONFUSED" This guy is a champ😂

😂😂😂. I had such a good laugh at the guy in red and his stupid friend.

Suboor!!! This guy is like Goku level 9,000. Game over.

The audacity to think he knows better than a physicists 🤦‍♂️

ماشاءاللہ❤

You guys are really very patient, I could not take the bullshit

Subhoor Wait-A-Second Ahmad Abassi has the patient I want to have one day. MashaAllah brother ❤

The contradiction was the infinite permissions will need to end at the last permission and there is no last permission in the infinite permission.

What happened to the double decker bus at 19:20, I wonder why they edited it out 😂

You can actually see how these convos lead nowhere. Look at how many people are at the start. By the end. Just 3 people left.

The existence of an absolute being can be presented simply (in summary form without going in detailed steps) to be true as follows. Let us take statement A: there is no absolute truth, all are relative. This statement A is self destroying/contradictory. Because if it is true then there is no absolute truth. Even the content of the statement A is not a absolute truth. But that means there must be atleast one absolute truth, which is not relative to anything. So A contradicts with itself. So if we take the statement B: there are absolute truth, truth value of which is not relative to anything. This is self-consistent. As its oppostive is false, it is true. But truth is a description of something C, but absolute truth to remain absolute it must be about something C having at least one absolute aspect that will be described by B. As this statement B is not time bound, the thing C is not time bound and has aspects which are not relative any other things. Now, (if) there can be many such C which can have associated absolute truths and other relative truth. But relative aspects must have relativity to the absolute truths, otherwise it will not be relative. So only timeless existence will be accumulated to a single C which will hold all the absolute aspects together. So there must be only one entity with all absolute truth which is beyond time or any relativity to others. Every other things/truth are relative to that absolute entity. Because these set of absolute information together forms an entity which that set describes. Hence, the existence of an absolute entity with all absolute aspects is necessarily true.

20:24 He(atheist) does not see contradiction as he does not know what he is talking about. He does not know what is infinte and what infinite is not. He does not know that infinite is not something you can end with counting with steps which is by nature finite. If you end that, then it is not infinite anymore. He does not know that time steps are physical reality and therefore these time steps are finite real things, infinite number of a real finite thing can not be finished or covered by counting to reach the end one or here traveling in time. So nothing will be created or caused at the end point, because it can not reach there in any time. And that would be contrary to existence of this caused reality. He does not understand the difference between a set of things existing at the same time and the set of time steps that comes chronologically. A Set of time steps has a sense associated with sense of physical delay. But if he talk about steps which does not involve time, then you can accumulate a set of infinite steps in a single time point. Then with that possibility, all the cause of every step creates a single time co-existing entities with all completely connected to each other, and hence a single entity. In both of the way, you can prove existence of a single cause in such a metaphysical reality which is consistent to the physical reality we are in.

12:19 Negation is not possible here because the term "roses are not roses" is a contradiction in the first place. Therefore it is not even a statement.

17:18 here we have a sophisticated tiger lurking behind suboor, who is casually hunting his next meal,tries not to be noticed while not setting his eyes off the next prey.

The bus example has a contradiction. The man has to catch a bus (finite task) BUT it depends, or contingent upon, the man going through infinite people to get £1 (infinite task). So, the premise is impossible because the man has to complete an infinite task to complete a finite task. Thats a contradiction. So his modal arguement about everything is possible as long as it doesnt contradict, agrees with Suboors arguement.

Is the Alex the Cosmic kid? If yes, he's grown up! May Allah guide him to the truth of Islam!

Someone can walk infinitely forward, but someone cannot ask for a pound coin from an infinite number of ppl who don't have a pound coin and get that pound coin. In order to get the pound you need someone to have the pound. Contradictiom is that you are getting a pound from an infinite no. of ppl who don't have a pound. For heaven, it is an infinite time and causes forwards from a certain independent foundation like the first example. For contingent, causal chain it's like the 2nd, noone has the power to sustain existence, therefore existence should not be able to sustained except by One who is an Independent Sustainer.

Young brother was schooling about what debating a point actually is lol

im ali needs dawah ahahahaha always find that funny

The way this guy is speaking shows his arrogance and hints at underlying insecurities about his own knowledge. He could not tolerate being challenged. Allah guide him

That guy is living in 2323, the way he steals stances and switches the tables is incredible.

Loud Audio warning 5 seconds after 27:40

20:20 A possibility of set does not mean, a certain action can be made by using the elements the set in ordered manner. As the defination of the elements of the set would prevent that. Infinite cordinality of the set with elements having nature of time, it will not allow a thing happen at the end ever. A Set and the result of operation of the set element is not same. The athesist boy lacks understandings and also ability of sincere reasoning.

This young boy is the perfect example of a deluded arrogance !!.

you know its going to be a savage mauling when u see Ali dawah, Suboor and Smile to jannah infront of u.

Causal infinity is NOT the same as dimensional infinity, ie infinity along a dimension of space or time.

For the first time i see the brothers going around a circle to define things that doesn't need definition because it's agreed abon. I lost interrest in this discussion.

when the knowledge is not one of benefit.

This is how Subboor behaves when he doesnt understand the question.... 😂

ماشاءالله respect br saboor ahmed

Does he really understand what the word infinite means?