though he doesn't have the most mellifluous voice

So smart and insanely elegant and cool :)

He was a sloppy drunk; he went to a local grocery store where I lived in Florida ... he reeked of vodka.

schizophrenic..

​@@barneyronnie Which helped add to his characteristic likeability 😁

Oh yea...that’s good

Kerouac drank and had cirrhosis of liver. Opiates/opioids don't ruin your intestines, nor anything else. Burroughs was on methadone from 1980 to rest of his life, before that he was on different opiates, on and off. Ginsberg died to liver cancer and got hepatitis from India or somewhere from his journeys.

Kinda like Keith Richards...

The longevity inspired by a nasty disposition

Even more amazing that he concludes his comment with a Christian quote, which demonstrates how close they were and how much he respected Kerouac as a cultural icon. Even a sober man could only wish to be so well-versed about anything during his lifetime.

Burroughs was a survivor. He outlived not just the other Beats but essentially everyone else.

He smirked a little on that one lol

A bible freak?

On some Gettysburg Adress. The guy before Abe spoke for 2 hours, what waS it that he said, it's now ,gone with the wind.

@@altagraciaadames3483 Only the good die young.

Burroughs, Ginsberg, Gary Snyder, Sidney Goldfarb, Matthews, Hughes, Robert Creeley, and many other amazing writers flocked to Boulder [I was student there in the 70s], for writers conferences and readings and teaching. Goldfarb was a professor there, he was a brilliant poet who brought them there.

@@rd264 The Jack Kerouac School for Disembodied Poetics

Maybe Naked Lunch for simply pushing the sexual envelope.

@@notimportant8736 I read Naked Lunch, I found it on a book giveaway pile at the laundry under my condo, yeah, its great, but I wouldn't put it on the same level as On the Road, that book has a weird energy around, like its magical somehow.

❓ I'm undoubtedly going to come off as dense here, but what do you mean by "you're _one_ before you read it, and you're _one_ afterwards"?

Yes.

No

I read the book. Seemed to me that it just glorified being a worthless bum.

@@MrWadsox read The Dharma Bums first, then Desolation Angels. On The Road is not his best, IMO.

He wouldn’t mind. He was pro capitalist.

That smile sums up Burroughs personality in a nutshell!

"Not by their disclaimers" is Burroughs' phrase.

It’s awesome that you never lost your hunger, my friend. Exploring our passions is the key to a fulfilling life.

I disagree that the changes these movements brought was only temporary. The Beats and the Hippies changed the course of history. It's true that most of the people involved in the Hippie/Young People movement in the sixties have sold out and in many ways, they have become worse than their fathers and grandfathers in terms of greed, lust for power as well as disregard for society, future generations and the environment. What boomer generation did when they were young, taking most of their ideas from the beats, is still having an effect today in many, many small ways, even if it does seem to be diminishing lately. For me, the best thing about the Beats and the Hippies was the art; literature, the music and the visual arts. Burroughs was smart enough to know that mankind can never achieve a real utopia and that the government will always continue to grow and further exert it's power into every aspect of our lives and that violence will always exist, so you may as well learn to defend yourself. He predicted the world as it is today. Maybe that is why he preferred the Punk movement over the Hippies. The Punks were more realistic. Other than the music scene, they weren't trying to change things so much as to point out, through art (and to some degree, lifestyle) that society is shit. It's decedent and evil. This is all a very simplistic view but at the core of things, the Hippies tried to change society through art, lifestyle and political activism. The Punks were a rebellious artistic movement.

you're a little bit too stereotypical in your approach man... Jesus my Lord...

we're living in the world of naked lunch now, basically, right down to the islam problem (i'll repeat that, problem).

Coolest of the cool? Well, maybe apart from the fact that he killed his wife and was a pedophile.

buck mcdirt Jeezzz..You guys still exist today ? Ok just to be clear: fucking a 17 year old is not pedophilia. No wonder most genuine murikan artists would enjoy their time while being in my country. Naked lunch was firstly published in France, and we didn't make a fucking fuss about it (or anything about sexuality actually), Usa is far from being a "free" country,depends of who and what you are.... (even in 2016, no offense dude, but lots of you guys are regressive as fuck)...

You're welcome

Yes , they are. I love his Southern drawl.

Eh, more like a hippie grateful dead thing

@@lastnamefirst4035 Or a Neal Cassidy thing.

@@matthewatwood2581 and robert hunter, for he had the words

@@lastnamefirst4035 Well, Neal was the source. If you read On the Road, (& I think you most likely have), you know that Neal wanted Jack to teach him how to write. Instead, Neal showed Jack how to shine his light.

@@matthewatwood2581 you are right about that. Neal taught everyone alot about a little of everything and he is still teaching us today. "His words do glow with the gold of sunshine"

Who gives a shit? What ax do you have to grind with Capote?

AOB He famously insulted Kerouac, dummy.

buck mcdirt You'd think Capote insulted you...

You'd think you were Capote with the umbrage you're taking... anyway, more aware posters will understand the reference.

insulted kerouac and proceeded to get himself more n more forgotten....

Easily, he was born a rich WASP.

eyes like Van Gogh actually....

The Bunker on the Bowery, bull's last home in nyc

Try Soft Machine next!

Heroin, the book

Couldn't get through the reading of it as was reviled by the Gay sexual taboo sex practices. But I do love Burroughs', Drugstore Cowboy, anybody?

@@michaelgreen5206 hey fuck you

the Beats is a diminutive perjorative Establishment media tag - I hate that tag. Its such a put down.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gZikmr10xsi4qqc.html I just returned from Tangier ... the Beat myth lingers there.@@rd264 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pMdxqa-W1tvcc58.html

What exactly are their fruits?

their results, their works, deeds. @@elkar92

Thanks for the praise/validation

He was smashed.

I read that eventually he did hear dylan, and admitted “ok, hes good”, i forget which book i read that in, i think that biography, i think written by a woman, but I’m can’t remember her name, read it twenty years ago. U know allen made him listen to dylan in 62 or 63, before jack turned on allen, allen was all about turning people on to new things.

Dylan is a folk singer, so he ain't wrong.

JACK Kerouac was a Conservative Republican who inspired a democratic hippie revolution, that is eternal irony 🙄 🤔 🤣 😆 😜 😉 🙄 🤔

It was a shot glass..

I think is was said to be a drink.

@@t-bonebigears makes sense as they were imbibing that nite. in fact, w/ out booze , it probably wouldn't have happened. just remembered he was in the film about drug addict thieves .w/ Matt Dillon, 'Drugstore Cowboy'.

@@tonym994 Great movie, Burroughs was a retired priest junkie, so he really didn't have to act just be normal, he seemed to know every drug there ever was up to that time. I wonder what he would say about oxycodine and fentanol?

@@t-bonebigears that's a good question. all I know is that it'd be said slowly.

Yeah, you could live without a job if you got checks from your mum and if the Mexican girlfriend who you later casually abandoned picked most of the cotton and earned most of the money. You could drive across the US of A if you had no scruples about stealing a car or returning a borrowed one trashed to its rightful owner. You could even give old an old lady a gift of groceries she'd probably be horrified to accept if she knew you'd just stolen them. (All of which happen in On The Road.) Kerouac was a great writer, no question, but his characters treat people like shit then whine self-pityingly about how sad the world is.

@@eriamjr I think I read where Burroughs stole & pawned an expensive overcoat just about every day of the year to support his drug habit. No doubt about it: we're not talking Boy Scouts. BUT, they lived in a country where Japanese citizens, some of whom had sons fighting in our armed forces, were locked in internment camps. There were "Negro barracks" speaking of armed forces, and the list of pretty acute injustices from top to bottom were legitimized in the culture. Two wrongs don't make a right, but... Peace!

Daniel Anduze and cliche as well as overrated.

Yes

@@chrisconley8583 I could never come to terms with the idea of cliche. With your nonsensical logic calling something cliche has become cliche.

@@bboyafro1 such an edgy retort and well,... very cliche of you.

@@chrisconley8583 Is being alive cliche?

"The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom...You never know what is enough until you know what is more than enough." - William Blake

same.and i've read Joyce. Beckett told Burroughs that what he did wasnt really writing.

My sense is they recognized the labels acted as shelf life dates and wanted to stay relevant past the movements they started.

Gibberish

That verb-penetrate- had erotic connotations. It might have leapt on his tongue as an image of his Tangiers days flashed on his druggy mind.

@@MrResearcher122 ...What a word to use in this context. "Druggy". His "Druggy Mind". Well, thanks for letting us know that you are a pro-establishment boot-licker. Don't know why someone like you would even watch the video.

Bullshit, Krebs was just a TV stereotype.

Stereotype or not, more people knew Maynard than Kerouac, Ginsberg, Burroughs, Corso, and Snyder combined Yes, Maynard WAS the most influential beatnik!

Being known isn't the same as being influential, in fact there's probably an inverse relationship to some extent.

Only in the stupid way that Giligan was influential, but it is a good joke - “Work!”

Oswald Bates was the originator - - - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b7h_gsxm3cfLqJs.html

True, according to wikipedia she died after surgery.

Kidney failure; she was a dear friend ...

+Demet Geçer He was raised in St. Louis, but his accent probably owes more to his English-American aristocratic parents than where he was from.

schwarzblatt thank you very much :)

+Demet Geçer Trans-Atlantic it is called..but Burroughs did have a slight southern accent sometimes.

Tyler Rigdon thank you very much :)

+Demet Geçer "Disaffected rich kid"

isnt it fun to sound aristocratic though?

It's a lot better than sounding like a "valley girl."

+LoveFlatfootin1 very patrician.

+LoveFlatfootin1 They're not trying to sound aristocratic. They were, in fact, aristocrats. Both of them from old money. Burroughs an heir to the Burroughs Business Machine fortune, which provided him a trust fund that kept him afloat in his junkie years.

+daddyoyo michael Burroughs never got a sustained trust. He bought a farm with some money at one point, other than that & Interzone he was doing his thing as a junky in the US, broke as a joke.

Cassady shagged everyone but kerouac, men and women alike.

@@davidtingley9978 thx

@@davidtingley9978 did kerouac sleep w any men?

Gay?

@@barneyronnie no

No, buy there fruits means by their deeds, the use of disclaimers is only an attempt at humour.

Yes, of course I know what it means. I just wondered if it was a pointed reference, given its biblical context.

Uhhh, context . . .