BUSTER'S GUITAR SANSAMP TRICK w/ Oceano & Buster Odeholm
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Using a Sansamp on downtuned metal guitars?? Yeah baby!! Buster Odeholm shows how using the raw multi-tracks for "Lucid Reality" by Oceano
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@BrendNicc 2 жыл бұрын
Everybody is in here complaining yet Buster still mixes heavy guitars and instruments in general better than most people in the industry. The pick attack and high end is important in a mix.
@DieboldTSZ 4 ай бұрын
ESPECIALLY with low tunings. People dont realize how much you lose when you tune lower than drop a# You really need to bring all that high end attack back in to make it feel pleasant but still sound grimy. Its a constant balancing act
@MatthewtheBassPlayer 3 жыл бұрын
The band hired this engineer to mix their record for a reason: they like how he mixes. Our personal opinions on whether or not this is a good guitar sound are irrelevant. This particular technique produces a similar effect to doubling rhythm guitars with acoustics to add extra percussive attack, without the need for additional recording and editing: should be pretty useful, regardless of the genre.
@orora667 Жыл бұрын
Buster is actually the guitarist for HLB and drummer for Vildhjarta :)
@shanemharris 3 жыл бұрын
This is what I got from the video: Used amp sim to get scooped lower mids/boosted upper mids, added an overdrive pedal, then eq'd the guitar before the amp and added even more gain. Then he took the duplicated the DI, threw a Sans amp for a little bit of distortion to get it to 'gel' better with the distorted amp. Lastly, he phase aligned all the guitars for maximum low end in the mix. Imo this is genius for getting clarity on a low guitar. In Jason Richardson's 'I' Taylor Larsen did something similar: He had a clean guitar, crunch guitar, and distorted guitar all layered together and balanced in the mix to add clarity. It works like a charm. Good job Odeholm!!!
@Mikey__R 3 жыл бұрын
Sure, it's a great way to get a strong heavy tone; but it's really not new, I forget how many amps Bob Rock used on the guitars on the Black Album. Also, a Sans Amp is still an amp model, it's just a digital model of a solid state analogue model of a valve amp. But it's definitely interesting to see the whole process of how to layer without phase cancellations, this wouldn't have been easy back in the days of tape.
@Mediaboy132 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mikey__R no one claimed it was new
@norwardradtke1361 7 ай бұрын
I layer clean and crunch tones deep down beneath my djent tones; they aren’t loud enough to hear but if you were to mute the clean or crunch amp you miss it when it’s gone
@aiRxShop 4 ай бұрын
This isn’t a new concept or genius… if it is, then I guess I’m a genius for running dual amps. Using one for an acoustic simulator pedal out to amp B and had that running the entire time during my live set back in 2005… 😂 Adding a single layer of an acoustic guitar has been pretty popular to do in a lot of pop/rock for a long time for this exact reason. To add clarity… anyways, I digress, I agree it does make for a great tone.
@turtlemann5429 Жыл бұрын
funny how many people hating in this comment section actually have no idea what they are talking about, this guy created an incredible crushing guitar tone that would sit wonderfully in a mix, really great tip.
@tristanclose5803 4 ай бұрын
Buster is a genius and unfortunately not all people have the knowledge to appreciate it
@Ledjent 3 жыл бұрын
Why so much hate in the comment section? People complaining about free insight into professional production? That's new... If you don't like the tone it means that the music is not for you, simple. This tone needs to slay, needs to be crazy and it does all those things perfectly, it's all about the context - Bass, Drums, Vocals & sound design. Master of puppets' tone wouldn't really work here lads.. c'mon.
@majesticpbjcat7707 3 жыл бұрын
Nailed it
@Ledjent 3 жыл бұрын
@@majesticpbjcat7707 Nailed what? The mix? 😜
@majesticpbjcat7707 3 жыл бұрын
@@Ledjent Hahaha! That too 🤣🤣🤣
@MatthewSparks 3 жыл бұрын
There definitely seems to be an unusual number of whiney man children frothing at the mouth from their incessant desires to make sure everyone here knows they don't like this content, and that their tastes are far superior. Must be exhausting to be such miserable losers all the time, the poor guys.
@Ledjent 3 жыл бұрын
@@MatthewSparks Couldn't agree more with this statement.
@xRaddicKx 3 жыл бұрын
I like how we've been double cabing for the first 4 minutes
@DapperHesher 3 жыл бұрын
Peter Tägtgren has been using a layer of Sansamp on his stuff for forever now and it sounds huge.
@thisguy2973 5 ай бұрын
Common Swede trick
@TheChrispablo 3 жыл бұрын
love that you guys leave the little flaws in, double cab hahah. kinda shows the human aspect, no one is perfect :P
@undusted_metalband4802 2 жыл бұрын
Loved how meticulously and detailed Buster worked things out on vocal production. Thumbs up!
@seangherardi 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like a useful way to get more pick attack and definition in low tuned tremolo sections as well. I'll have to try this using a SansAmp clone.
@colinmitchell1287 3 жыл бұрын
I found whatever bass processing you can do that gets the CLANK from a bass guitar works for this technique. Just getting that pick attack to be apparent.
@Still-Cousins-VOVA Жыл бұрын
what clone can i use
@norwardradtke1361 7 ай бұрын
One thing I’ll do on recordings to get it to sound heavy that I stole from the engineer who recorded Alice In Chains/jerry Cantrell: take a bass guitar, thru a wah pedal fully engaged or toes to the floor, into a guitar amp, and mimic the guitar riff strictly on the D string of the bass, then blend that in subtly. It adds the thall, the wah gives you that nasty band passed mid range only snark and snarl that if you dial in just so subtly adds so much spank. But you need a bass to do it. There are no rules. Learn the rules so you can break them with a discerning ear
@DiamondLifer 3 ай бұрын
They also mic the back of his speakers on the open back guitar cabs to capture that woofy low end.
@insertanynameyouwant5311 3 жыл бұрын
0:52 it`s that kind of sound you hear when switching between different radio waves and stopped on the one with a bad signal for no reason
@whybother1478 2 жыл бұрын
What is this boomer comment section? lmfao Bunch of old farts crying over a metal guitar tone haha, I wonder why they clicked in the first place? This is literally a 5150 with blended crunch tone. What's the matter with "overprocessing", I really need the answer, because I'm confused af right now
@apothecide.1 3 жыл бұрын
Thall
@jasongreen5360 2 жыл бұрын
Very thick and gnarly, gonna try this
@gargantula3274 2 жыл бұрын
Any sound can be a good sound in the right context. What sounds good on its own and what sounds good in a full mix are two entirely different things.
@S4MBONE 11 ай бұрын
People can do whatever they want musically and should be treated with kindness.
@chris00412 3 жыл бұрын
Really good!
@rdm7770 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys for this tutorial. I've been rolling the gain knob back for the "string" tone and definition in a single channel forever. I've recently ran my Bass through an ABY where the audio interface catches on channel with: Bass --> Hyperluminal comp --> Radial J48 (acting as ABY) --> Channel 1 Then J48 splits to my bass distortion unit and goes into channel 2. I thought blending the tones produced a very desirable sound. So this tutorial is really intriguing for me to try with my 7 strings. So after watching this video I went out and bought a radial ABY and a new distortion unit. So I'm gonna try: Guitar --> Radial [A]BY --> Line 6 POD XT Live (Distortion Patch I like)--> Channel 1 of the audio interface Guitar --> Radial A[B]Y --> Distortion Unit with EQ --> Channel 2. Also thanks for the tips on phase. It's something I have some phase inverters on my radial gear, and in the DAW too I believe. I'll need to educate myself a little more on this topic.
@xjeffxkia Жыл бұрын
Is there another way to achieve a similar sound without the auto align plugin? Like would any phasing plugin work?
@thisguy2973 5 ай бұрын
What I absolutely love about these DI tracks is you can hear the string buzzing and slapping against the frets. A lot of guys out there complain that you can’t “drop tune a guitar to baritone levels because it’s gets buzzy and flappy”, yet here we are in the DI also buzzing and flopping around on a baritone as well. Don’t believe influencers yall
@Patrick-857 3 ай бұрын
He's mixing the guitar almost like a bass. Metal producers have been blending clean low end with a separate distorted mids track on bass for a long time. Buster is treating guitar that way, which makes sense considering his guitar is tuned to same pitch as standard bass tuning. I love his approach. He has a sound designer's approach to metal production and just does whatever he wants, convention be damned.
@thisguy2973 3 ай бұрын
@@Patrick-857 which makes sense because the tuning is so low.
@Patrick-857 3 ай бұрын
@thisguy2973 Yep, really low tunings are pretty challenging to mix. When you get down to E1, you're definitely well beyond what traditional guitar signal chains and mix techniques can handle well. Personally my happy place is C# standard/drop B. I find it still sounds and feels like a guitar, it works great on a standard scale, even with 10s or 11s, and it is plenty chunky. I have a baritone, but I prefer my standard scale guitars tuned low. If I had the skills to tweak an in the box tone like Buster is, maybe my baritone would work for me, but I just don't like the sounds my baritone guitar makes. It's too bright and sounds too much like a bass.
@EdwinvanKoppen 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of hate here, but he’s showing a cool trick. I work also with very low guitars and I think it’s pretty difficult so thanks! But what are you doing with that phasing?
@colinmitchell1287 2 жыл бұрын
Reducing comb filtering, time aligning the two sounds. In turn having the two sounds in parallel be more in phase and work together with more clarity out of the speakers.
@karolkozak64 3 жыл бұрын
Which IR did he use? Sounds great
@thisguy2973 5 ай бұрын
That’s the real secret that he’s not showing you.
@captainconvulsion 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to actually hear it in the mix
@michaelragan6898 11 ай бұрын
You can always go listen to the song..
@beardo85 3 жыл бұрын
The Nolly plugin can get so narly. I'm interested in what cab IR he was using.
@justinrice1259 3 жыл бұрын
The IR's are from TSE X50 v2. He goes over which ones he likes in another video mixing Humanity's Last Breath, may be the same ones.
@thisguy2973 5 ай бұрын
The engineer for spiritbox uses the stock IRs in Nolly, and focuses more on morphing the DI before the amp.
@kubbe2170 Жыл бұрын
buster BEST MIXER
@kaynezhashino 3 жыл бұрын
holly cow, what a fantastic trick!
@MysticalPotatoHeadGrooveThing 4 ай бұрын
Anyone knows how to get autoalign to work properly?
@microcolossal2295 3 жыл бұрын
I have done similar by also running the guitars though a clean amp
@yujonpradhananga9999 2 жыл бұрын
What headphones is he using?
@translila Жыл бұрын
seems like sennheiser hd660s
@adamovicslobodan3331 7 ай бұрын
Hello everyone... I have a question regarding my band and future recordings. Hope you can answer to me. We have a 6 string guitars(30 inch scale). And multi scale 7 string guitars(27.5/25) Can we for example record on 6 string all rhythm parts, and all lead parts on multi scale guitars. Regards.
@MaestroKatProductions 7 ай бұрын
Not affiliated with URM, but by all means go ahead! This is more common than you think tbh If I'm not wrong, the band Leprous uses those kind of 6 strings in the studio but 8 strings live cus they have to play leads. Hope this helps!
@voyager0487 2 жыл бұрын
Ого это просто шедевр!!! Привет из России! Огромное спасибо за видео очень круто и познавательно!
@JoeyC4D 2 жыл бұрын
Happy to know im not the only one that thinks Neural window is too big
@justevan877 3 жыл бұрын
C L A N K
@eternalinfestation 2 жыл бұрын
Someone needs to slide me that IR
@IDONTEXIST_6 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a Matt Harvey TSE cab. He clicked it so fast that I couldn’t get a good look of it, so I guess diddle around with the cabs and see which one fits?
@eternalinfestation 2 жыл бұрын
@@IDONTEXIST_6 thank you so much I need this tone
@Abear138 Жыл бұрын
Scrongly!
@kittysofdoom6968 Жыл бұрын
It sounds like turning the channels on an old TV in the 70's and the static white noise.
@thimovijfschaft3271 3 жыл бұрын
Cool trick, he's only not really explaining much...
@colinmitchell1287 2 жыл бұрын
Phase/time aligning a parallel bass amp and guitar amp for 1 low tuned guitar DI. Also some EQ on the low mids of the DI before the amp so it's less muddy.
@DingusMcBrungus Жыл бұрын
What's there to phase / time align when its the exact same DI tracks just being affected differently?
@maxgilstrap8492 Жыл бұрын
@@DingusMcBrungusthe use of different plugins even on the exact same signal just copied twice can introduce different amounts of latency. or at least that’s how it’s been explained to me. it’s negligible rly and seems to be more of a producer choice, not something thats going to make or break a whole production
@codexnecro 3 жыл бұрын
It would be cool if he would explain what he's doing instead of saying "I'm gonna do that" or "I'm going to do this".
@KeepTheGates 3 жыл бұрын
He says that after he either states or demonstrates what he's doing.
@lannyfce4786 2 жыл бұрын
"this sounds bad" >is literally just 5150 tone with added clarity ok bro
@chrisjalbert1997 Жыл бұрын
Y’all should actually listen to the song before giving him shit for a guitar tone in solo. Mix-ready guitar tones especially in low-tuned chuggy stuff always sound like this so the other instruments can actually do their jobs.
@perpetualgrimace 3 жыл бұрын
Is there a trick for making the guitars sound good? That'd be cool
@Patrick-857 3 ай бұрын
This guy is "the guy" right now when it comes to metal production.
@lucienaoun 3 жыл бұрын
First boiiii
@northtimo666 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@MicheleUrukHai Ай бұрын
Todays heavy hi gain gtrs sounds just like pink noise. What a shame
@thalligator016 7 ай бұрын
People here don't know shit about crafting a guitar tone, dealing with phase issues and stuff. Shouldn't watch mixing tricks when they just want to hear the same pentatonic boomer lick, played using a lespaul through a marshall since the 80's. People really need to move on already.
@honigdachs. 6 ай бұрын
The irony of this comment is amusing.
@ErikEkholm 3 жыл бұрын
What did he actually achieve?
@tomwaller2303 3 жыл бұрын
Brought back some stringiness lost by the high gain required for the low tunings
@ErikEkholm 3 жыл бұрын
@@tomwaller2303 Less techy stuff and more about the music please.
@tomwaller2303 3 жыл бұрын
@@ErikEkholm It is a mixing technique. It achieves cool guitar sounds. Guitar go brrrrrrrr
@PASHKULI 3 жыл бұрын
He achieved... noise. Abomination in a bad way over the guitar sound.
@tomwaller2303 3 жыл бұрын
@@PASHKULI Understandable. Its a pretty niche stylistic thing that he doing. I personally think it sounds great in context with the guitars to bring out a bit of extra bite.
@michaelthompson3286 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like a really long way round the houses to find a good sound to me 🤷🏻♂️
@gauthiermatt1 3 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more
@Deamonition 3 жыл бұрын
Cool trick, but I must admit I'm really not a fan of that stringy attack sound on guitars. This seem to be a trend, but... Last LP from Carnifex probably uses that trick and I find their guitar tone so annoying. Question of taste I guess *shrug*
@Patrick-857 3 ай бұрын
Go listen to his actual releases. In the context of a mix, it's absolutely devastating.
@matthewfreeman33 Жыл бұрын
What are these bands gonna do live when they can't mix 10 plugins into their digital amps?
@turtlemann5429 Жыл бұрын
it is possible but not always necessary since recording and playing live are very different, you wont need this in depth tone sculpting in a live setting while it is important for an incredibly sonically pleasing recording.
@qerzuk Жыл бұрын
you act like production is something new and only recently bands are reliant on it to sound great. They do the same thing as everybody else, have a different tone live
@Patrick-857 3 ай бұрын
Modern modeling amps are pretty capable. You could definitely get close live. Plus nobody expects it to sound the same live. Did anyone say that about Jimi Hendrix with his backwards guitar tracks?
@maxalaintwo3578 Ай бұрын
Uh they won’t perform without them? Lol this is all electricity anyway, nothing is sacred about using a “real” amp. You’re using clipping to push a signal into nonlinearity, how you do it doesn’t matter
@PASHKULI 3 жыл бұрын
hahaha, those gated chuga-chugs sounded like white-noise samples. This devastation over the guitar sound has to stop. Really.
@whybother1478 2 жыл бұрын
You clearly never heard the guitars in context aka the original song. Yet you come here and have the audacity to spill your "amp sim bad analog better" hate BS. I wish you'd share your own mixes for comparison, then we'll decide if your opinion on this subject matters in the slightest.
@Patrick-857 3 ай бұрын
@whybother1478 I have come to the conclusion that amp sims are the future, and also producers like Buster are the future. You simply can't do what Buster is doing with analogue gear. Analogue has it's place, we all like it, but plugins are going places analogue can't go. The level of control snd the flexibility is unlimited.
@KennethACrashwaggonMusic 3 жыл бұрын
The trick is fine. But, once again the song (or riff collection, rather) highlights why I absolutely hate modern metal. I must be too old for this shit.
@Mikey__R 3 жыл бұрын
You and me both, brother. I'm off to listen to Soundgardens 4th of July. Take care!
@wollsmoth69 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mikey__R 😂☠️
@colinmitchell1287 2 жыл бұрын
You know this is deathcore right?
@metal9able Жыл бұрын
@@colinmitchell1287 T H A L L not deathcore
@colinmitchell1287 Жыл бұрын
@@metal9able oceano plays deathcore.
@LarrySeinfeld 3 жыл бұрын
"Never mix in solo".....
@lazarushatchette3978 3 жыл бұрын
He's not mixing the song in solo, he's mixing guitar in solo. You guys are weird lmao
@theosansano2406 2 жыл бұрын
Buster knows what he is doing. No worry
@GravityRainMusic Жыл бұрын
This is basically not mixing. He's getting the tone, you could say this is a recording stage
@CellarLakeStudios 3 жыл бұрын
So 13 minutes of horrible noise with a sans amp track layered in and phase correcting the end result. Thanks URM.
@kingmafw 3 жыл бұрын
ROTL....:)
@PASHKULI 3 жыл бұрын
@@kingmafw Indeed, my friend. What a fail!
@lazarushatchette3978 3 жыл бұрын
Ehhhh no, it's going through a cab, and because it's a low tuned guitar he's trying to get back the stringiness by mixing the sound. Idk how you guys expect a guitar going through an Amp with distortion to sound amazing, this is how it'll sound when mixed with all the other instruments
@PASHKULI 3 жыл бұрын
@@lazarushatchette3978 Come on... seriously. It is just that - overly done! Unnecessarily over-processed to sound like noise (and this is from me, a guy who's been listening death and trash and Meshuggah since very early 90s, and Kreator since late 80s).
@lazarushatchette3978 3 жыл бұрын
@@PASHKULI sorry to break it to ya, but meshuggah producer has used over 4 other tracks for 1 bass tone as well as plenty of other tracks for thickening a single guitar tone. You gonna tell me that isn't "over done". This is how audio engineering works. You get a sound that sounds like noise but shows clarity once in a mix. It's not rocket science, and no you can't just use white noise to make a breakdown because that isn't a guitar. Everything comes from a source and all comes down to the mix
@brandonkeller478 3 жыл бұрын
“If it sounds good it sounds good” …This sounds like a garbage disposal …
@PASHKULI 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@brendangibson8200 3 жыл бұрын
In a song like that, garbage disposal sounds good 🤷♂️
@PASHKULI 3 жыл бұрын
@@brendangibson8200 Nah, this is more of an excuse. It is total garbage... even for such a heavy genre.
@brendangibson8200 3 жыл бұрын
@@PASHKULI then why are there so many people that like it? Could it be perhaps that guitar tone and music is subjective? 🤔
@PASHKULI 3 жыл бұрын
@@brendangibson8200 I do not know how many. Many people like Cardi B as well and its trash, so... many does not mean good.
@ianmoran8004 3 жыл бұрын
Does this actually even sound good tho?
@thedddemon 3 жыл бұрын
Bunch of nerds, making "metal"
@benphillips2891 3 жыл бұрын
wow just randomly through a spring into a concrete wall would be a better sound.wtf
@wintersmill4853 3 жыл бұрын
Eeeeer. This doesn’t sound good...
@ELECTRICSCARS 2 жыл бұрын
This Dude is a Elite Engineer when it comes to mixing Drums and Guitars, he knows all the tricks what in the end makes the different to most other Producers 🔥🎚️🎚️🎚️🎚️🎚️🔥
@Cairah2013 3 жыл бұрын
Thall
@unscaledseven1413 3 жыл бұрын
Thall