C.S. Lewis' That Hideous Strength - SPOILER TALK

C.S. Lewis' That Hideous Strength - SPOILER TALK | Book Review

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"That Hideous Strength" is the epic conclusion to C.S. Lewis's Space Trilogy. All three are incredible books, and this third one has so much going on: Planetary Angels, the return of the Wizard Merlin, the continuation of the line of the Pendragon, and the forces darkness ready to devour Europe. The stage is set!
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That Hideous Strength: The third novel in the science-fiction trilogy by C.S. Lewis. This final story is set on Earth, and tells of a terrifying conspiracy against humanity.
The story surrounds Mark and Jane Studdock, a newly married couple. Mark is a Sociologist who is enticed to join an organization called N.I.C.E. which aims to control all human life. His wife, meanwhile, has bizarre prophetic dreams about a decapitated scientist, Alcasan. As Mark is drawn inextricably into the sinister organization, he discovers the truth of his wife’s dreams when he meets the literal head of Alcasan which is being kept alive by infusions of blood.
Jane seeks help concerning her dreams at a community called St Anne’s, where she meets their leader - Dr Ransom (the main character of the previous two titles in the trilogy). The story ends in a final spectacular scene at the N.I.C.E. headquarters where Merlin appears to confront the powers of Hell.
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@azraelus1 3 жыл бұрын

Your reviews have me convinced that CS Lewis was a time travelling documentarian. This is like the secret true story of Earth and our reality.

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

Lol! I was thinking he must've time traveled or something. Reading this book this last time it was quite amazing!

@hackerdontcare2032 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisDurban or he was a prophet of his time for now and the book was the way the Lord kept it safe and secure for this time.

@tedtheman 3 жыл бұрын

@@hackerdontcare2032 isnt it insane how nobody knows about the book but its the ONLY accurate blueprint. but there are few (1) who still talk about the book. keep them in prayers

@thursoberwick1948 2 жыл бұрын

If you read up on the so called Fоцгтн Iлdцsтгіаl Rενοlυτιοπ project which is being pushed by governments worldwide right now, you can see the N.I.C.E. has a very concrete real life parallel. It too seeks to destroy all that is natural.

@stampinturtles 2 жыл бұрын

@@tedtheman why didn’t I heard about this book until 2020. Found it at the library. Never heard about it but it was in the teen section.

@dataweaver 3 жыл бұрын

C.S.Lewis and J.R.R.Tolkien were friends. The Space Trilogy is something of an homage to Tolkien: Ransom was based off of Tolkien, and the ancient society that Merlin talks about was in fact intended to be a reference to Numenor from Tolkien's Lord of the Rings series.

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

That's pretty awesome! I knew Lewis and Tolkien were great friends, I did catch some of the Numinor references and I thought that was very cool.

@TheHobbyReaper 3 жыл бұрын

Yesterday I finally finished reading and am glad that I really stuck with it. At one point early on I considered quitting, as, like Mark, I was frustrated with having no clarity about what the institute is doing and started to get interested when his questioning got him in trouble. It always fascinates me how Mr. Lewis can ignite awe in his descriptions, like when Jane met Ransom the first time and the fact that he had a freaking bear as a pet, a hint at the restored relationship of God's creation. At first I was a bit confused with the different perspectives, as the previous two books were (for the most part) written from Ransom's perspective but later I was thrilled to find out what was going on with the different characters and settings, especially when they introduced the Head and also Merlin later. The scheming of the NICE was frightfully realistic at points and the same time ridiculous. It's like Ransom said that those who wish for Nonsense shall receive it. For me the parts on hygiene and objectivity really made me think how bizarre ideas can become, when they are detached from humility and truth. I think Mr. Lewis also reflected aspects of his own conversation story in the protagonist's, especially Mark. Overall I really enjoyed the book. Probably I would get out more from the earlier parts now, as I grew more familiar with the characters over time, as I did the first time, however, it'll probably take some time until I get back to the Space Trilogy. Thank you for your video, I haven't read the Screwtape Letters but that reference was very interesting.

@EdHird 2 жыл бұрын

You have a remarkable gift of unpacking CS Lewis in a very engaging way.

@ChrisDurban 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! That means a lot. He's my favorite author and he impacted me quite a bit.

@karatekidlee 3 жыл бұрын

Haven't read the Space Trilogy, but it is on my shelf! I'll have to get to it soon!!!

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

It's so good and so interesting, I highly recommend it.

@ReaganLodge 2 жыл бұрын

Great review! That Hideous Strength is probably the best cosmic horror I've ever read, I often pitch it to people as "HP Lovecraft, if he had become Christian". Huge inspiration for my graphic novel.

@sterling25-H 2 жыл бұрын

Your excitement for this book is motivating me to keep reading it! Thanks for the great summary!

@ChrisDurban 2 жыл бұрын

It’s totally worth it! It’s a difficult read but very interesting.

@TheHobbyReaper 3 жыл бұрын

I am currently reading this book and have like 50 pages left. At first I did not like the book, because of all the verbal scheming and talking around seemingly random events, but at one point I got hooked and started to see, how it all comes together and how it continues the events of the previous books. Also I love the Lord of Rings references in this book. Really nice. I will be coming back to actually watch your video, AFTER I finished reading. Really enjoyed your videos on the previous books and can't wait to hear your thoughts on this one, as there is so much to get into. Greetings and Blessings from Germany :)

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Numinor. Which is a picture of the TRUE west, another picture of how the NICE hate absolutes. Can't wait for your thoughts when you finish.

@Wingedheart8448 3 жыл бұрын

ahhhh what! C.S.Lewis foreshadowed what is going on in our society? Mind Blown!

@thursoberwick1948 2 жыл бұрын

BIG TIME! I read this book decades ago as a boy... Booorrringg... Because Ransom never went to other planets again and then looking at it again more recently, my jaw hit the floor... This man was a prophet, he tapped into what was happening as deeply as Orwell or Bradbury, and deeper I believe than Huxley.

@stampinturtles 2 жыл бұрын

@@thursoberwick1948 so this book did exist before 2020? I was wondering why I never heard of it before. Like maybe I’m in a matrix. This book was so eerily similar to our world today.

@thursoberwick1948 2 жыл бұрын

@@stampinturtles The reason you probably haven't heard of it is - apart from most folk never setting foot in a library these days - is because the world concentrates on the Narnia books, and a few Christians on his non-fiction. I can think of many other writers where this has happened. A good example is Arthur Conan Doyle who came up with Sherlock Holmes, and those books still have a major impact, and he also wrote the Lost World which has been adapted on screen several times... but he also wrote a whole load of other books most folk don't bother with. And some of them are really good, which makes it unfair... same thing happened here with Lewis. I read the Space Trilogy thirty years ago. That Hideous Strength was a hard slog and I'm not sure I even finished it. The first two books were in space and much easier to read for a teenager. It's not a very accessible book, put it that way. It's hard work.

@annyager1337 2 жыл бұрын

I have just finished listening to the 3 books of the Space Trilogy for the second time and some of each book several times to understand and absorb the stories. I found some areas difficult to understand but each time I went over a section I could grasp the meaning. The second book Peralander was the best. I have read it 3 times through

@ChrisDurban 2 жыл бұрын

Perelandra is my favorite one too. The third one is the hardest to grasp. It’s just so dense, but it’s also so incredibly interesting.

@drewoo_ 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this, man! Just finished all the audio books and I was looking for something like this! I loved that you added quotes for context. I’m curious what your opinion is on Frost and Wither. Throughout the book they were described as being almost like how Weston was acting in Perelandra. Do you think these men were possessed, or just strange/used to having to cope with all the horrible things they’ve been doing? Also, When Jane first met Ransom I remember him interrupting her saying “stop that” and asked her to continue. I saw this as him telling an elidil to stop influencing her so she may make up her own mind to follow them. If you can remember, I’d like to hear your thoughts! Thanks again :)

@blaketomada780 2 жыл бұрын

I have been trying to figure this out too! I think there is a good reason to think that Wither is possessed and that the demon in him is at times more on the surface than others. That could explain the way he is described. That or his constant contact with the demons has had a very unnatural effect on him.

@ghostrunner2138 2 жыл бұрын

@@blaketomada780 I have to agree. The part where he has the blank and almost lifeless body in his office and he tells mark something only to not remember it later seems like good evidence to me

@zinknot 3 жыл бұрын

I read these when i was like 15. The hideous strength was hard to get through. Just remember some weird stuff about Merlin and a head. I got really into the first two though.

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

It took until my last read to really get into it. It is very different than the other two, lots of layers. But real interesting once you get into it

@thursoberwick1948 2 жыл бұрын

It is the hardest to get through but it feels like a parody of what is happening right now.

@prisci4u940 3 жыл бұрын

I first read the trilogy over 2 decades ago after reading Lord Of The Ring. I enjoyed book 1, but I thought book 2 was fascinating in its description of prefallen creation. Book 3 was too hard for me to understand. In fact, I loved Perelandra more than LOTR. Less entertaining than Tolkien's, but deeper and insightful. Now, after finishing the 3rd installment through audiobook, I feel I'm reading it for the first time. It's so dark and surreal, but it's so realistic at the same time. So prophetic and multifaceted. I love it. Perelandra pointed at a paradise lost. That Hideous Strength is hitting home like no other. The later is my favorite now. For reality can mean the opposite things depending on your worldview. You can experience the same thing but interpret them differently depending on your previous misconceptions. Religion. Philosophy. Political stand. Btw, I did not like the character of McPhee. I found him too stubborn to see the truth. Even when it appears to his face. But I know it's a realistic depiction of many. That's the sad reality of life today. People scream fake news at anything contrary to their view and believe on only those that aligns with their reality. And the division grows deeper. Even the fabricated riots. Never before was the country so divided as today. I recently read 1984. Another prophetic novel. But that one is darker to the point of dispair. Because there's no God there. I find that in spite of all that's going on, with the dehumanization of society (we are in constant lockdowns, forbidden to gather and socializy), our human liberties in danger... God is our Rock and our Fortress. In That Hideous Strength, God is victorious. This is true in our life today, after covid. We really need Our Savior to come soon.

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

And that's the great thing about "That Hideous Strength". It's dark anf prophetic, but it shows God wins in the end! I had the same journey as you. Perelandra was always my favorite and the 3rd was so hard for me to understand. But it came alive the last time I read it, and I loved it!

@prisci4u940 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisDurban That's great. What do you think about Macphee? He witnessed and was at the center of all miracles but still kept his "objectivity." He reminds me of why Jesus refused to perform miracles in front of skeptics. We humans interpret what we see according to our worldviews. We justify them and adjust them accordingly. We use justification bias in our experiences. Btw, I still wonder, was Macphee saved at the end?

@thursoberwick1948 2 жыл бұрын

@@prisci4u940 Orwell read That Hideous Strength before writing 1984 (we know this because he reviewed it). He criticised its supernatural elements. It may well be the influence on 1984 no one talks about (whereas everyone mentions Zamyatin's "We" and Huxley's "Brave New World"). Not many people know it, but there are several major organisations like the NICE around today. The Щог|δ Есопоміс Fогцм for example is *highly* influential in what is going on just now, and promotes genetic engineering, transhumanism, so called "smart" devices which spy on people etc. Their membership includes major international politicians and businessmen, and while they do publicise themselves to some extent now (unlike certain other organisations), it's pretty lowkey.

@feliciaf8 Ай бұрын

@@prisci4u940 most likely no lol

@milliesecond102 2 жыл бұрын

WOW!!! AI before Yuval Harari, Musk, and Gates! I loved the first 2 books and have visualized a movie from it including the music/song for Perelandra (yes, I'm a C.S. Lewis geek) but could not stay interested in Hideous Strength's character development. I had time re-read it over and over but could not advance bc it kept boring me - and I've actually read "Till We Have Faces." That's why I came here because I want to know about the book I want to just put it away, but now I want to j7st take an uninterrupted weekend to read it!

@Wingedheart8448 3 жыл бұрын

This is the one that always went over my head thank you for explaining it!

@jazzclub9 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, C.S. Lewis was wayyyyyy ahead of his time 🤯

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

WAY ahead of his time! Amazing, right?

@jazzclub9 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisDurban yes!!! Unless...this kind of stuff was going on during his time too...

@thursoberwick1948 2 жыл бұрын

@@jazzclub9 To an extent. Lewis was aware of people like H.G. Wells and George Bernard Shaw who supported this kind of thing. Communism also promoted its own form of transhumanism and the New Man.

@feliciaf8 14 күн бұрын

Also his time too but he's a genius almost a prophetic lol @@jazzclub9

@ryanestess Жыл бұрын

Excellent review! You thoroughly covered everything in the book. I just finished the whole trilogy. Whew! What a ride!

@ChrisDurban Жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊 The trilogy, and the last book are quite the ride!

@tylertheleper8468 3 жыл бұрын

Just finished this book. I liked the previous installments better, but this was an epic Good versus Evil story. I feel like Stephen King was inspired somewhat by this novel when he wrote The Stand.

@tedtheman 3 жыл бұрын

It was more than just that it’s the only accurate blueprint of the one world order for Lewis used to be in 2 of the main groups who dabbles in dark magic and do in fact, rule the world.

@tylertheleper8468 3 жыл бұрын

@@tedtheman You're right. After thinking on it more and watching the spoiler talk I can really see how much more depth there was in the story.

@tedtheman 3 жыл бұрын

@@tylertheleper8468 yeah I feel like they’re the same people pushing the COVID stuff? But also the people pushing anti COVID stuff, as he said in the video they push many agendas to divide people.

@thursoberwick1948 2 жыл бұрын

@@tedtheman Look up the so called Fоцгтн Iлδυsτгіаl Rеνοlυτιοп, my friend... (Yes, that weird script is deliberate. Needs must these days.)

@seanyonthemic 3 жыл бұрын

I just finished this book earlier this year. Finished the series!!! For the first time!!! Such a great series. I will say, this particular book in the series I didn’t enjoy as much as the previous two. But it was still good. :)

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

That's how I felt every other time I read it. I've read through this trilogy so many times. This particular read, this 3rd really stood out to me. But I think the 2nd book may still be my favorite.

@dougjames4972 3 жыл бұрын

Second comment: Inspiring review! It has been too long since I have read this! Will have to read it again! Like you...CS Lewis is also my favorite author! Keep it up and God bless you and yours!!!

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! So glad you enjoyed the review.

@jacquedegatineau9037 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful. I've read this great book a handful of times but you helped me see a few things in a new light! Ian McShanr would make a good Deputy Director... but how about Charles Dance?

@Good100 10 ай бұрын

I don't think Feverstone changed his name. Feverstone is the peerage he received. It's just like Prince William became the Duke of Cambridge and later the Prince of Wales. William's original name, William Mountbatten-Windsor, never changed, but now he has titles that override that name. Dick Devine became Lord Feverstone, but his actual name is still Richard Devine.

@jeremycline3359 Жыл бұрын

This is the review that convinced me to reread the trilogy. Cheers.

@jamesbarringer2737 Жыл бұрын

I have read this before (maybe I "read" it because I didn't remember much) - decades ago (I'm old - 58), and am reading it now. I loved the first two, but this one kicks my old butt. I'm on page 85, and just hoping it gets better. So far, everyone just seems unappealing. It's been a struggle, so I brought this up. Anyway, about 30% of the way through it, and I am finding it hard to love or even like. But I'll finish. BTW - Just finished Till We Have Faces. Magnificent. It's now my favorite CS Lewis book. It reveals some very ugly truths that are very important to recognize within oneself.

@ChrisDurban Жыл бұрын

This is the toughest of all the space trilogy books. I love C.S. Lewis, and I love the space trilogy. But the first time I read this one it went totally over my head. When I did the videos for the first two it took me a year to decide to jump back into this one. What I find the most compelling are the concepts in this book. The reason why the NICE are doing what they’re doing, how they’re doing it, the power they think they are sophisticated enough to tame. Professing to be wise they show themselves fools and pull the power of deep heaven down on themselves. In some ways I see the NICE trying to do what the Bible says the Antichrist will do.

@jamesbarringer2737 Жыл бұрын

@@ChrisDurban I have to say THS is prophetic regarding our current times. In Perelandra, Lewis makes a strong point about the banality of evil - and banality is tough to "hang out with." Hard to read many pages about a banal group of people. That's what has made these first 100 pages a challenge. I just now passed 100 pages - reading slow so I really know what's going on, unlike the first two times I read it (at 14 and 30), when all I remembered was it happened in a college, and that Merlin was involved somehow. This is so prophetic though - including the banality of it all - that it is shaking. But still hard to move through!

@hackerdontcare2032 3 жыл бұрын

Speaking of C.S Lewis are you willing to give a catch at reviewing The Screwtape Letters? You brought it up here but I dont see a review and would love your insights

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

I haven't done it yet! I love that book so I'm thinking about how I can tackle it. There's the Focus on the Family Audio Drama where Andy Serkis voiced Screwtape so maybe I'll review that. So I have ideas bouncing around.

@hackerdontcare2032 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisDurban I have that drama and it does help a lot and is very good. That might be a good idea since you've done books and movies of Narnia together. I got narnia as well and adore the radio theatre's

@ragnapodewski4694 3 ай бұрын

Best is, when Marc in that terrible "room of objectivity" is resistent at the edge of abyss, spiritual abyss."That is damned nonsense!" We should learn this sentence and utter it many times, when we are offered to follow the mainstream.

@garypotter5569 3 жыл бұрын

At the ~ 16:45 you just described what N.I.C.E. did on January 6th

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

We sure do live in fascinating times don't we?

@TrafficCones 2 жыл бұрын

This is amazing! I want to read the first 2 now!

@ruthkellogg2854 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! You have helped me immensely with my school work

@ChrisDurban 2 жыл бұрын

So glad it could help!

@NathanJosephCole 11 ай бұрын

Did Divine change his name or merely gain a Lordship, which changes the way people would address him?

@ChrisDurban 11 ай бұрын

I don’t remember at this point.

@cristinaeklund 2 жыл бұрын

Do you think there is some connection to the couple who knew Lewis in the book "Severe Mercy"? It sounds just like the real couple who also hung out in the inner circle of academia during Lewis' time and the wife gets saved first before she dies of cancer. The book is written by the husband who eventually gets saved after he write a letter to Lewis.

@ChrisDurban 2 жыл бұрын

That’s incredible! I haven’t read “Severe Mercy” so I don’t know. But it sounds like a possibility.

@dougjames4972 3 жыл бұрын

Fist comment...Just the title deserved the THUMBS UP!!

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome!! The title is only the beginning of the greatness of the book.

@queenSummerKeli Жыл бұрын

Such a great read!!!!

@lastswordfighter 3 жыл бұрын

Durban have you ever heard of Fallout 4? This Nice makes me think of the Institute faction in that video game. It’s mirrors them almost to a t even down to creating an artificial race of androids and robots called Synths. Nice and the Institute operate the same way by cloak and dagger infiltration and deception the old divide and conquer.

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

I have not played it but that sounds interesting

@Mashauri-Ai Жыл бұрын

31:50 thank you brother for this word confirmation Revelation 22:8-9 (KJV) And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

@MrTValleyguy 2 жыл бұрын

I loved That Hideous Strength

@totallynotthebio-lizard7631 2 жыл бұрын

Is mentioning Numenor considered a spoiler?

@ChrisDurban 2 жыл бұрын

It is a spoiler talk, so I wouldn’t think so.

@lloydbraun6026 3 жыл бұрын

NICE, like most of the laws or institutions, always use oxymoronic acronyms that make them seem benevolent

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

Yep. And the NICE is not very nice. Control, power, and even power over God is what they seek at all costs.

@lastswordfighter 3 жыл бұрын

21:13 The word for this concept is transhumanism and transhumanists. People want to merge their consciousness in real life to machines or virtual reality or even mutant artificial hybrid bodies.

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, in one of my other takes in recording this I mentioned the singularity and it sounds like that's what they want. C.S. Lewis wrote this long before the term "singularity". But "That Hideous Strength" is the fiction version of his other book "The Abolition of Man". Transhumanism is a strong theme for the NICE. And they want the power of the spiritual (they would never actually call it that) to accomplish this.

@thursoberwick1948 2 жыл бұрын

And politicians are dragging us there. It is not the only possible future. I think science and technology are good, as long as they are in the hands of moral people. In the hands of immoral people, they are abusive and terrible.

@raygon8 2 жыл бұрын

i read this book first . Its the best

@ChrisDurban 2 жыл бұрын

It is a good one! So you read this first in the trilogy?

@raygon8 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisDurban yes 3-1-2 , 4 years ago

@ragnapodewski4694 3 ай бұрын

My book is only loose papers for I did read it many times.Now I have it an E-book. But I will spare my book for I fear the great censor hunting for forbidden words. In the net you are naked.

@Sheraleeable 20 күн бұрын

A+

@ragnapodewski4694 3 ай бұрын

I'm sad, that I cannot really enjoy George Mac Donald, the autor often praised by Lewis. Maybe my English is too bad.

@cindychrisburks3478 2 жыл бұрын

Wow that sounds like today’s world 🌎

@ChrisDurban 2 жыл бұрын

Scary right?

@lloydbraun6026 3 жыл бұрын

Tolkien, Lewis and JFK died on the same day

@thursoberwick1948 2 жыл бұрын

Tolkien died years later. Lewis died on the same day as JFK and Aldous Huxley of Brave New World Fame.

@thursoberwick1948 2 жыл бұрын

Ironically Huxley was into some of the ideas in That Hideous Strength. There is a play that features the meeting of the three.

@Wingedheart8448 3 жыл бұрын

ok yea the talking head is where they lost me.

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

Lol! I know, right? So the way I look at it, it's humans trying to conquer death on their own terms. Not only did they not conquer death, but they created puppet for demons to speak through. The understanding is purely darkened in this book.

@hackerdontcare2032 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisDurban yea and when they brought Merlin in and then the Angel's then I completely lost what was happening and just said enough.

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

@@hackerdontcare2032 lol! I get that. I think, I stress I think, Merlin was Atlantean. He was ancient and descended from ancient people who drew power in a strange way...a way closed by the cross. And because he was already a vessel for that the angels were able to poor some of their abilities into him. No one else could've taken it. The Holy Spirit is sooo much more powerful than all that, but Lewis was giving us Fairy Tale and a sequel to the King Arthur stories. Oh yeah, and NICE not understanding anything wanted control of that power to maybe control the Macrobes (demons). So that's how I see it. And there's more to it than that so if anyone else has other insights go ahead speak into it.

@hackerdontcare2032 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisDurban and I think that is what threw me off. The first two books was complete sci fi and the this change to sci fi/fairy tale, it's like he could not make up his mind. But personally I think I did not like it because of all the darkness and my spirit completely saying no when it was on. It was like the first was bitter and sweet, the second breathtaking and then this was just yea, maybe it also scared me as I could pick up the prophecy for all that he talked about is happening now. I never understood the ending at all. I'll stick to the second book.

@ChrisDurban 3 жыл бұрын

@@hackerdontcare2032 The 2nd book is my favorite too.