CABLES! How much do they affect guitar TONE?

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Pete Thorn

Pete Thorn

2 жыл бұрын

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@FullmetalHotpants
@FullmetalHotpants 2 жыл бұрын
Pete, this video is amazing. I’ve been playing electric guitar since the late 80s, and you’re teaching me more about how my guitars work in 20 minutes than I think I learned in 35 years. I love your stuff, don’t ever stop!
@PeteThorn
@PeteThorn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@smallmouthguy2264
@smallmouthguy2264 2 жыл бұрын
Same here exactly ,thank God for youtube ,its really helped my playing too
@CordialCablesUSA
@CordialCablesUSA 2 жыл бұрын
@@carsgunsandguitars We were also quite interested to see how Pete would consider the cable question. It's why we asked him. We knew him to be one of the straightest shooters in the music industry.
@nihilistlivesmatter
@nihilistlivesmatter 2 жыл бұрын
@@carsgunsandguitars Hi internet resume guy
@bassyey
@bassyey 10 ай бұрын
Were you just 0-3-5ing the whole 35 years? wtf.
@kevinspake7338
@kevinspake7338 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t think I was going to hear the difference, but I did. The monster cable sounds like the tone control is rolled off a notch , and the no name even more so. Terrific video. Thanks.
@peevee605
@peevee605 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve noticed this phenomena through the years and the way you go through the facts is great. Thanks a lot, Pete. You’re a blessing to the guitar community.
@miller8084
@miller8084 2 жыл бұрын
Loads of effort on this one and very much appreciated. I have always wondered about cables and now I know. Thanks.
@rodabernethy7277
@rodabernethy7277 2 жыл бұрын
AWESOME VIDEO, thanks Pete! This is the best study on cables I've seen, it's definitely waking me up to getting better cables!
@robbramwell512
@robbramwell512 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Informative Video! Thanks Pete!
@guitarpickupdatabase
@guitarpickupdatabase Жыл бұрын
I'm really happy you shared the resonance curve of how pickups look - we're creating these graphs for every pickup to make it easier to compare pickups against each other.
@orryfishburne5326
@orryfishburne5326 2 жыл бұрын
Always believed in this concept, but its the first time ive actually heard it. Extremely interesting!!! Thanks man, i learned a lot
@sonicfuker
@sonicfuker 2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding work brother. Thanks!
@pauldaskal9510
@pauldaskal9510 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Pete for finding the crux of the issue for Guitar players...finding it...showing the masses demos and making clear easy to understand statements and suggestions. The loss of that high end detail and the moving of that resonant peak are important concepts to get in crafting a personal tone!
@elldr
@elldr 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciated this video, thanks for such a detailed study
@anthonysilva5312
@anthonysilva5312 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the effort , energy and work that you put into these videos. As a guitarist, engineer, and mathematician, I find these topics irresistible. I have to admit I am disappointed that you wouldn’t include George L’s cables as part of this comparison. I discovered them years ago and found that they just worked great for me. The additional feature of being solderless just adds a bit of gravy to the whole idea. I went to school at the University of Waterloo and I was lucky enough to have an instructor named Phil Eastman who taught a course called the science of high Fidelity. He was also the writer of the Sir Isaac Newton contests. He was an amazing professor along with having a really practical analytic mind. Rest in peace. I remember engaging him in many discussions walking across the campus while I was there and one time he said to me “ultimately it comes down to this: you buy the distortion you prefer”. that’s always stuck with me. 🇨🇦
@Guitar5986
@Guitar5986 2 жыл бұрын
I love Georgle L cables too. They beat out Mogami and a bunch of other brands when I tested them. However, I solder all of mine as the solderless options can become unreliable over time.
@mcsologuitar
@mcsologuitar 2 жыл бұрын
George L's are fantastic. Great company and people.
@JesseClaus
@JesseClaus 4 ай бұрын
“You buy the distortion you prefer…” Reality in truth taught in a KZfaq comment on a guitar cable video.
@brownsfan7753
@brownsfan7753 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff!! Thank you Pete!!
@lance134679
@lance134679 2 жыл бұрын
Great information with no BS.
@andreywowor3796
@andreywowor3796 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Pete , this was very helpful
@trond-oien
@trond-oien 2 жыл бұрын
Great work as always Mr. Thorn. Much appreciated. Loved your Randy Rhoads and deep dive on Ed vids btw. Thanx.
@christopherklimek7484
@christopherklimek7484 Жыл бұрын
Man, GREAT work! Top topic. Thanks for this vid!!
@jman5925
@jman5925 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Pete, very interesting review. I converted my entire rig to Cordial some time back and, for me, the difference between my old (high quality) cables and the Cordials was astounding. Now, every one of my guitars sounds great with one amp setting. And they actually feel more responsive in my hands. Really! The rig is also much quieter. Cheers
@stubrakon9683
@stubrakon9683 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid ! Extremely well done!! 👍😃🤘😎
@middle_pickup
@middle_pickup 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video for the nerds in the crowd! Most cable discussions out there only focus on the cable's capacitance, and blow passed the resonance peak of the cable altogether. You can hear how the Belden is imparting a more mid-focused energy to the sound. I agree that it's an attractive idea to have a "transparent" cable, but keep in mind that none of your favorite recordings over the years had one such cable. I'm split on the matter. I like a good transparent cable for humbuckers, but I also like a "cheap" or lossy cable for single coils. One of my favorite cables I ever had was the Vox coily cable. It had a ton of roll off, and a sick midrange to it. I was so sad when it finally broke after many years of live use. This reminds me to track down another.
@centerfoldstands2750
@centerfoldstands2750 2 жыл бұрын
Completely agree, like a lot of things “you get what you pay for” and good cables are a smart investment in your tone. Now it’s time to compare speaker cables which will also make an audible improvement in any rig! Thanks Pete for another great video!
@CordialCablesUSA
@CordialCablesUSA 2 жыл бұрын
That's on our list for next-level testing, along with XLRs.
@Sooflojoe
@Sooflojoe 2 жыл бұрын
I definitely hear the difference! Amazing dude! And the basic logic makes complete sense. Thanks for another excellent video!
@SteveBrownROCKS
@SteveBrownROCKS 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Pete. Im loving my new Cordial Cables ⭐️🤟🏼
@CordialCablesUSA
@CordialCablesUSA 2 жыл бұрын
We love you too, Steve.
@genemoore1
@genemoore1 Жыл бұрын
You're a gem Pete. Thanks for doing this.
@juanrogelrodriguez8285
@juanrogelrodriguez8285 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!,invaluable information
@tmitz73
@tmitz73 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Pete!! REALLY helpful, Dave is right...."everything affects everything"!!! Cheers Bruddah, stay groovy and keep on Rockin'!!
@picksalot1
@picksalot1 2 жыл бұрын
I think your analysis was accurate. I found it interesting, and have had similar experiences with my own variety of cables. Matching a cable to the type of guitar pickups you're using contributes to which cable sounds best. Perhaps as a follow-up you could take the cable totally out of the equation and test how a good "Wireless" system compares to a good cable. Thanks
@valendis
@valendis Жыл бұрын
Yes I want a comparison between a cable vs wireless!
@mattygunn3852
@mattygunn3852 5 ай бұрын
I am a newbie bass player (also learning the banjo at the same time) and I am contemplating upgrading from my 10ft standard Roland cable. This was such a great and educational video on the subject. Thanks so much!
@karlwalker6648
@karlwalker6648 2 ай бұрын
Fascinating thanks 👍
@peterschaefer1665
@peterschaefer1665 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, quite a difference! Especially side by side. I never want to loose bottom end or size or weight of the sound. More top end can always be added but size not so much. Thanks for this revelation!!
@dougmartin893
@dougmartin893 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid. thanks
@salesedlar
@salesedlar 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, as always! :) Thanks!
@beachcomber4141
@beachcomber4141 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the PW cable sounded the best besides the Cordial's. Interesting stuff!! More of a difference than I would have thought!
@jefft275
@jefft275 2 жыл бұрын
PW is what I use, and I've done a comparison against 4 different brands including George L. I can hear a difference in each cable. I've never tried anything as expensive as Cordial because I'm not a pro. When I'm as good as Pete and I own a Suhr setup I'll splurge 😎.
@beachcomber4141
@beachcomber4141 2 жыл бұрын
@@jefft275 Exactly!!
@6jao
@6jao 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you man big help 
@timec818
@timec818 2 жыл бұрын
Cool video Pete Thorn 👍🤘
@AdamGotheridge
@AdamGotheridge 2 жыл бұрын
Cool and helpful!
@CarstenGoeke
@CarstenGoeke Жыл бұрын
Interesting Pete. Thanks for sharing ✌🏼
@markham56
@markham56 2 жыл бұрын
I bought a 20’ Monsterous guitar cable years ago on a close out at 50% discount and it was awful sounding, plus it was so heavy that I felt like I was dragging a a sack of rocks behind me. I did like the Cordial best but the Planet Waves were pretty good too. I would like to add my endorsement for the Asterope cables. They are full bodied, similar to the Cordials, sturdy yet pliable. Good review Pete!
@juanpablogarza3142
@juanpablogarza3142 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Pete, many thanks. in the electric Eng. world, we refer for a current ( not a voltage ) generated by the pickup coil. of course there is a voltage as well. you can think for current as the amount of electrons flowing in a conductor and the Voltage is the pressure. Best and keep Rocking !
@deplinenoise
@deplinenoise 2 жыл бұрын
Great job Pete!
@steveg219
@steveg219 2 жыл бұрын
Very good explanation Pete, really appreciate your excellent content. All of this is clearly audible and real. I have played at a pro level for many years and came to the same conclusion that it is best to start with a high quality cable between your instrument and your first input. Funny thing is that the Belkin was a super familiar sound because so many cables I have used over the decades have used that wire, it was instantly recognizable! I would also add, especially for younger players, do not stress about this at all. Many other things are more important such as musical ideas, a quality instrument, good amp, etc. just get the best cable you can and don’t overthink it! If/when you can get a very high-quality cable go for it.
@Bobby_Digital37
@Bobby_Digital37 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I sold all my monster cables a few years ago after I found mogami golds, it was like night and day. These German cable sound pretty good too👍🏽
@ryankozak6874
@ryankozak6874 2 жыл бұрын
mogami for life. I buy it in bulk off spools from Sweetwater and Musicians Friend, and it's like half the price. $.80/ft'ish minus the connectors
@gavinhammond4614
@gavinhammond4614 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. 🙏🏻 I discovered that once you ‘go there’ with cables, it’s another sonic colour palate choice. For instance, a board with two buffers and curly cables is my current fave combo. Just warms things up a little. 🤷🏻‍♂️
@michaelgallegos8811
@michaelgallegos8811 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video Pete I noticed a difference in cables years ago at 61 yrs young I been through alot of them ,my favorite so far are ,Jumperz cables,and for speakers, Pro,Co,12 gauge wire cable clean and quiet.
@robertdonosobuchner3129
@robertdonosobuchner3129 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Pete, I did know this before but it was a really great comparison and very detailed! Thank you very much! I noticed differences in guitar cables and patch cables for my pedal board, especially during recording. Another point is to get rid of the hum and noise of electromagnetic impulses and fields that can effect the guitar signal in a very bad way. If you're standing on a small stage and playing life, noise can come from everywhere and than it good to know that your cables are shield and don't making problems. I don't use bad cables anymore also if I use a lot of effect pedals.
@thejoshuatree03
@thejoshuatree03 2 жыл бұрын
Great Video! This is where it gets tricky… like you said at some point adding some roll off can actually sound better. I was recently tracking a band and we tracked through a true bypass tuner that added significant hi end loss but when punching in another day, we had plugged straight in with the same guitar/cable and we were blown away with how different it sounded. All in all, we actually wanted to get back to the other sound. But yeah, different cables can really make a guitar sound like a completely different guitar! I’ve noticed those “monstrous” rock cables REALLY cut the high end!
@stratking78
@stratking78 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, Pete! I use CORDIAL cables since they came up in the late 90s and never regret buying one! Very good stuff and built like a tank. Never had a breakdown! Can't say that over other brands... Best wishes from Germany 🤘😁🍀👍🏻🎸
@CordialCablesUSA
@CordialCablesUSA 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the props, sir!
@user-hr3qf8wc8d
@user-hr3qf8wc8d 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. It’s very interesting that concepts which were reserved for audiophiles and esoteric audio equipment are now making their inroads into guitar playing. Originally, the primary goal of electrical music equipment manufacturers was to make it as cheaply as possible. As a result of this quest, we have such a variety of different sounding guitars, amps, pedals, etc. In this case, the effect of the cable and the tone of the guitar will greatly depend on the combination of what’s in the guitar- the pickups, the values of the volume and tone control pots and the tone control cap(s), the levels these controls are set to, and the input impedance of the amp it’s plugged into, making a great case for using active pickups. The active pickups will almost eliminate the effect of the cable on tone and the price is comparable to the these cables. I apologize if I said the same thing as someone else did, too lazy to read all of the comments…
@denisj20111
@denisj20111 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Pete, great video as always, I am 61 and to my ears over the Internet via KZfaq, they all sound similar to me. The age of the listener has a lot to do with what your hearing as the frequency response of our ears diminishes as we get older, and in particular the high end frequencies reduce. Have you thought about doing a blind test with these cables to see if knowing which cable you were playing through is placing a sub conscious bias to what you are actually hearing?
@UncleYoshi
@UncleYoshi Жыл бұрын
Very very useful cable comparison video. I liked the Andrew cable the best. Liked & Subscribed 👍🏻
@bigdavedave9865
@bigdavedave9865 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid! More stuff I didn’t realise I needed 😂 seriously, changing cables to liven up a dark guitar or roll off a bright one seems like an easy way to change your tone 👌
@alguitarchristie
@alguitarchristie 2 жыл бұрын
A good buffer can change a lot! Which is why I always have one at the start of my chain. I bought the Tumnus Deluxe, which has the buffer/true bybass switch on the side, which is great, you can instantly A/B the sound. I have high end Vovox cables made in Switzerland, they are mega expensive, but I have had them for 7 years now and they still work great. I had to re-solder my planet waves cables twice! The cordials sound great and the Belden seemed to have more lower mids!
@rodneymelvin9735
@rodneymelvin9735 2 жыл бұрын
Just ordered an instrument cable, thanks for the discount.
@syfman6
@syfman6 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Pete. Love your vids Brotha!! 💚🎸
@sbrave
@sbrave 2 жыл бұрын
At first listen, I thought I liked the Belden best for the crunch tone, but I would agree, the Cordial is best all around. Will check out check out those prices. Great video as always!
@guitarcheology
@guitarcheology 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I certainly can hear the differences. My ears seemed to prefer the PW cables in this test. I will have to pick some up as I have nothing Belden's , and in this test that was the worst sounding IMO.
@josephperrigo7008
@josephperrigo7008 2 жыл бұрын
Pete, wow thanks for this. I’ve always been picky about my cables but now I have proof, really great video . I wonder if a buffer in and out comparison would be useful? Love your work
@brookchivell
@brookchivell 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I’ve used evidence cables for the last 15 year. I often have to remind myself that it’s very easy to get out in the long grass on this stuff. Keep in mind Hendrix used coiled cable and no one I’d running around saying his tone is bad.
@johndrew8
@johndrew8 2 жыл бұрын
Great job as always! Very interesting. I am a planet waves guy. Have them dialed in so don’t think I will change however, I am sure the Gouche are great. Every step does count though as you say. I recall my high end audiophile friends would buy super low gauge monster cables with gold ends etc then you look in the speaker cabinet itself and they are 22 gauge so…. Anyway thanks again! As always, JD
@donruzek6193
@donruzek6193 Жыл бұрын
This is a great comparison. For my rig that uses a pedalboard, I’m using good cables/connectors, and have tested and compensated the loss with an eq buffer. And I do like to tone of my Mogami guitar cable, but seeing this I’m digging the idea of a higher quality cable from my pedals to the amp
@xyema-mpa-ma-ma
@xyema-mpa-ma-ma 2 жыл бұрын
Signature cable, huh? How about a signature guitar case latch?
@sharkair2839
@sharkair2839 2 жыл бұрын
ha ha ha ha ha...
@johncruz9357
@johncruz9357 Жыл бұрын
Think of it as an EQ setting. His sig cable gives him the curve his after.
@dennisdaniel1146
@dennisdaniel1146 8 күн бұрын
😂 LMAO
@_patrikjay_
@_patrikjay_ 2 жыл бұрын
Great idea playing big chords Pete, more gear review Vidz should do this. Winner to my ears the Cordial peak high copper... Dig the clarity.. great comparison vid P
@TheBoomtown4
@TheBoomtown4 2 жыл бұрын
Really true. I have a dark amp and used monster cables and really struggled with the lack of clarity for years until I tried different cables and realized how much top end was being killed by those monsters.
@LavaMan60
@LavaMan60 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this video! Guitar cables act as low pass filter in the guitar - to - amp circuit. Five things have the most audible impact with guitar cables: Capacitance, Resistance (and it's inverse conductivity), metallurgy (purer metals are more conductive), the impedance of your pickups, and length (more length = more cumulative capacitance and signal loss that can necessitate the use of a buffer) There's a sweet spot for capacitance (Measured in Picofarads or pF) that for most players is preferred and this is typically about 25 pF/ft or so, +/- 5, but some players prefer higher capacitance, as an example, many Players like the Lava Cable coils I designed, as the high capacitance makes bright sounding amps more tame and musical. So, cables can be used effectively as tone controls. Ideally a good cable will open up more usable tone range with the EQ on your amp. With higher capacitance cables, the upper frequencies literally decay sooner in time and with low capacitance cables just the opposite occurs and this why guitarists will often say cable is to bright or darkens to their tone - this is the low pass filter effect. What I learned in more than 15 years of building and selling guitar cables is that: 1. The guitarists personal ear/tone preference is what matters most. 2. Keeping your signal chain using all the same cable provides the most consistent, even frequency response results. 3. Coax or Quad conductor cables with high purity metal alloys seem to produce the best frequency response (My favorite cable of all time is the Van Den Hul Integration Hybrid Lava). 4. Keeping cable lengths as short as possible to reduce signal loss helps with overall tone. 5. All Cables exhibit triboelectric noise or micro phonics to a certain degree (thump with finger near output jack - this should NOT be happening down entire length of cable) especially if designed with too low capacitance and will become more microphonic over time as the layers loosen from use. Some outer jackets that have plastic in them help reduce this noise, the black PVC layer around the dialectic (white or clear PE material around conductor) is what is reduces this noise the most. Understanding how cables work and impact your tone is just as important as doing A/B tests and finding your favorite cable. 6. Finding a cable with good durability in combination with preferred frequency response and positive impact on your tone is ideal. (The Van Den Hul cable I use makes the notes sustain an bloom better - this is why I and many other players and studios use it.) You should have me on for a follow on Pete. You've just cracked the surface here.
@gookiecrunch
@gookiecrunch 2 жыл бұрын
I liked the lava cables. But ultimately went with the evidence audio forte. I think the lava let too much low end through (for my set up.) My amp has too much low end. but it was a nice cable. Was it just me..? or are low output single coils more affected by different cables than high output humbuckers?
@sonicmistress
@sonicmistress Жыл бұрын
Wow all that and at the end of the day my £2 cable still works like it should and what comes out of the driver is how I want it to sound....(Yes I have Klotz/Belden/ Van blah blah yawn here....) After all isn't that the desired result at the end of the day.
@jean-marcdumouchel7812
@jean-marcdumouchel7812 Жыл бұрын
...and here I thought EQ's were designed to control frequency response and all along cables did the same thing.
@heavyjoechipman3594
@heavyjoechipman3594 2 жыл бұрын
Some of the tales I heard about the length and strength of the custom-made cables used by Angus Young were the stuff of legend, I tell ya what. Great topic Pete!💜☺👍
@ModulusAmps
@ModulusAmps 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid Pete, I knew they made a difference but I wasn't expecting it to be that much or that I would be able to hear on KZfaq played on my old Samsung phone
@CordialCablesUSA
@CordialCablesUSA 2 жыл бұрын
We had the same response when we first experienced it!
@777danid
@777danid 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@danolivier4899
@danolivier4899 2 жыл бұрын
Cordial is actually very affordable compared to mogami and canare, at least in europe. I love cordial personally.
@danielmauric8491
@danielmauric8491 2 жыл бұрын
In find that I generally prefer German products to USA ones, quality without snake oil marketing bs.
@jeffreycarpenter1864
@jeffreycarpenter1864 2 жыл бұрын
When that distortion kicked on at 11:12 - holy shit! It spanked. Wasn’t ready for it. Fire shot outta my headphones.
@californiasurfpunkmetal6207
@californiasurfpunkmetal6207 2 жыл бұрын
Pete, I was involved in a cable shootout with the guys at BlAcKSoUnD studio in Pasadena. Steve Stevens gave us some Evidence cables to try along with Lava Van Den Hul and some others. We came to a similar realization that cables matter!!! Our top picks were the Evidence for high gain and the Van Den Hul for clean tone. Steve talked about our shootout in a Premier Guitar issue. In a double blind we could even perceive a volume change. Great vid…
@jean-marcdumouchel7812
@jean-marcdumouchel7812 2 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if Steve had his INTEXcables with him that day.
@fiddlefolk
@fiddlefolk 2 жыл бұрын
I have used or tried a lot of different cables over the years from cheap Rapco, George L's, Canare and finally settled on a few choices. I use Mogami 2524 or Belden 9778 to swithcraft plugs. For my setup, style, guitars, pedals..this works for me. Cabling makes a difference for sure but to my ears not as much as the guitar pick up itself and proper power to the pedals. I usually test my board by comparing it to cable straight to the amp tone. If the board is quiet and the tone is close to direct to amp sound then I'm happy.
@Rick_Erickson
@Rick_Erickson Жыл бұрын
I have had a couple encounters with "high-end" cables that may be of interest to some. One was a small Fender amp that had a very nasty sounding treble distortion when turned up. The customer was plugging his guitar directly into the amp with a George L cord. I had recently serviced the amp and it sounded fine when I tested it, so I grabbed my go-to guitar cable, made of Audio-Technica bulk microphone cable, (which is no longer produced) and Switchcraft #285 1/4" plugs. Swapping my cable for his, without changing anything else made the problem disappear, like freakin' magic, man. Another more recent incident involved a local hotshot guitarist who has been a good friend and customer at my repair shop for a couple decades. He brought me an original TS808 Tube Screamer, which I rebuilt, tested and sent out. He sent me a video later that evening showing me his pedalboard and the horrible buzz coming from it, only when he added the Tube Screamer. I asked him to bring the board, cables and guitar to my shop so I could determine the source of the problem. All his other pedals were true-bypass "boutique", only his newly acquired TS808 had an internal buffer & FET switching. With the TS disconnected everything worked fine, but with the TS in the chain it buzzed. I isolated it to just his TS808 and his two $150.00 ea high end cables. Still buzzed. I swapped his TS808 for one of my personal modified TS9/808 pedals. The buzz was still there. Finally I grabbed a couple of my AT/Switchcraft no-frills cables and plugged them in. No buzz, worked fine. Swapping either of his high $$$ cables between the guitar and the pedal brought the buzz back. Of course my customer was not happy that his fancy guitar cables could be causing his problem, but there was no denying that it only happened with them plugged into the pedal. I would have loved to have more time with those cables to try to isolate exactly what was happening, and maybe come up with a solution that allowed them to be used, but he was short on time as he was leaving on tour, so I sent him on his way. To this day I still do not know why those cables caused this buzz only in the Ibanez pedals. (I swapped out the TS for another Ibanez with the same switching circuit and got the same result) If I ever encounter this again I will try other brands with FET switching, like the Boss pedals and see if they are also affected with this affliction. As for the cables presented in the video here: I can hear differences, but not enough to want to spend ridiculous money for a 20 foot guitar cable. Most of the time live, I use a Sennheiser wireless, which pretty much negates the capacitance effect of my cables because it has a low impedance (buffered) output from the receiver. And if I use a cable I just bump the treble control on m my amp up a notch. Problem solved.
@LeeJHodgson
@LeeJHodgson Жыл бұрын
I've owned several Cordial cables over the years and they're definitely among the best available. My favourite of theirs for live performance use is the CGK175, although it suffers a bit from tribo-electric noise (it crackles and rustles if you shake/disturb the cable when using very high gain amp settings). It sounds similar to their CGK122N, the physical design of which is stiffer, making it less practical on stage, although it's fine for studio use. I've tried a great many other cables and my favourite (the most transparent sounding) is a 10-ft Van den Hul The Integration. However, for live use, I just love my Gibson Pure Dark Purple (18-ft), which just sounds "right" (with no microphony or tribo-electric noise); and I have a Pure Blue (12-ft) which sounds great for recording. I also really enjoy using my 20-ft Van Damme Classic Instrument cable with a Vox ToneLab ST. Some cables marry up with different guitars/amps better than others and, as you clearly demonstrated, some cables sound better (smoother) for rock/overdriven tones than others. And as you concluded, the DI sound clearly highlights the difference in clarity and transparency. The great session guitarist Hugh Burns once told me that he always uses the shortest cable possible when recording (for George Michael and other top artists over the years). On reflection, I think I actually prefer my 18-ft cable to my "best" 10-ft cable, so like your friend said, we should find a length of cable that seems to work well for us and does what we need and desire. Keep up your passionate and interesting work. You rock!
@frankdstrack
@frankdstrack 2 жыл бұрын
I love the quest for tone and I love the science behind all this stuff. That said, I have kind of had your attitude of not worrying about buffers or cables too much. I just use the same setup/cable/length always and adjust my volume/tone on the amp to where I love the tone and don't worry about it.
@CordialCablesUSA
@CordialCablesUSA 2 жыл бұрын
Cables are a physical filter, and wouldn't we all prefer that filter to be as transparent as possible? We all work so hard at tone with amps, pedals, guitars, etc. Try one out, you'll be as amazed as Pete obviously was. We had the same reaction, but it's undeniable.
@stephenmestrada
@stephenmestrada Жыл бұрын
@@CordialCablesUSA when running a pedal board with patch cables etc how much does the cable from instrument to board matter? Or from board to amp?
@CordialCablesUSA
@CordialCablesUSA Жыл бұрын
@@stephenmestrada Great question, we get it a lot. Our feedback from artists is that the first cable is most important, as it transfers that minute voltage from your pickups against whatever resistance the cable has over it's length, the shorter the better. Once it gets to pedals and amps, signal is filtered and shaped in many ways. That said, improving the quality of your signal path with highest-quality copper is helpful even down the line. Next most helpful being that long run to your amp.
@brucecoffman6492
@brucecoffman6492 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting work, as always, Pete. I would prefer in future that when you get down to A/B-ing the various sound files you do so without comments in-between. The sound of your voice (or any sound, for that matter) tends to “interrupt” the ears’ ability to make sharp comparisons. In “double-blind” gear comparisons we use ID cards that we hold up to let users know “choice A” vs “choice B” vs “choice c” so there’s no sonic distraction when making comparisons.
@vincemendoza28
@vincemendoza28 2 жыл бұрын
I like the the warmth of the Belden. Andrew Gouche cable may be a little too clear and detailed for my taste. The standard cordial sounded good. All the other cables clearly had a noticeable loss of capacitance that was less desirable in tone. I remember doing cable comparisons years ago and recall Beldon 9776 cable sounding really good. Thanks Pete, this was a helpful video.
@testing1two547
@testing1two547 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Pete! What's interesting about the Gouche signature cable is that he plays active basses almost exclusively and the onboard preamp/buffer makes cable capacitance a moot point. Still, I'm glad there are companies like Cordial and Sommer making quality, low-capacitance cable without resorting to precious unobtanium alloys and charging crazy audiophile prices. I may have to put together my own comparison with the typical DIY wire you can buy by the foot: Mogami, Canare, Belden, Sommer, Lava, etc. In the meantime, I'll say it again: great video Pete!
@Champ4844
@Champ4844 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Pete I've seen your video on You Tube, (CABLES! How much do they affect guitar TONE?) and many others too. You explained it very well and confirmed my opinion about good sounding guitar cables. I've been playing Vovox cables for many years and for me the best off-the-shelf cable is the Vovox Sonorus. Unfortunately, Vovox cables are very expensive and there is no meter goods to solder your own cables of different lengths. To wire my effects board and for my guitars, I soldered various cables myself to get the best possible sound out of my guitars. My absolute favorite is no longer the Vovox but the Sommer SC-Corona cable. I use G&H plugs with a copper core as jack plugs. German translated with Google. greeting Reinhold
@budgetguitaristcom
@budgetguitaristcom 2 жыл бұрын
Listening to the initial recordings, I couldn't hear much difference. It was only back to back that the differences became obvious. Great video as always.
@nilesanders5110
@nilesanders5110 2 жыл бұрын
Good show Pete.
@smoovegittar
@smoovegittar Жыл бұрын
Always knew these facts, but it was refreshing hearing the differences. Going to be replacing a few "things"... and Thanks!
@CordialCablesUSA
@CordialCablesUSA Жыл бұрын
Good news, Greg. We hope you like them. Let us know on social @cordialcablesusa.com.
@NoCoverCharge
@NoCoverCharge 2 жыл бұрын
I’m using runaway cables from Nashville love this things
@MrPerfectfeet
@MrPerfectfeet 11 ай бұрын
Wow those Cordial Cables are so beefy and clear, they do make a big difference;) great demo as always Pete 👍
@jahjah67
@jahjah67 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison. For the overdrive sounds, I thought the Belden was great. It has a midrange grunt I didn’t hear with the other cables. The Peak High Copper was my favorite for the Clean sounds. The other cables sounded pretty similar to my ears with the Planet Waves barely edging out the rest
@XChristianNoirX
@XChristianNoirX 2 жыл бұрын
Belden is kind of a dark cable. If your guitar has too much spank, it's the right tool to tame it. It works well with a lot of single coil pickups. It's dark but sounds really nice. For humbuckers, Sommer Spirit LLX is virtually unbeatable, unless one is trying to use the cable as a filter as with single coils.. But that's not usually the case. 15.8pF capacitance is insane. It's less than 1/3 of Mogami 2524. Basically a 60ft Sommer can outperform a 20ft Mogami 2524, and 2524 is the pro industry standard.
@koreyd3846
@koreyd3846 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Took a shot on a Cordial - it’s like I took a blanket off my amp!! Thanks for the heads up, Pete!! 🤘😎
@lucistired
@lucistired 2 жыл бұрын
The high copper cables are definitely brighter, but ultimately I think most of these cables sound just fine and at a fraction of the price. Not trying to rag on the nice cables, they sound great but you can rock with any of these
@piccicacca
@piccicacca 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Pete! I second the suggestion with comparing with high end wireless setup :)
@deangelisstudio1
@deangelisstudio1 2 жыл бұрын
A few years ago I did I made 2 new speaker cables, same wire, same length, same solder. One had CBI ends and the other Neutrik, WOW what a difference. So to make sure, switched the ends on the same 18” cables just to make absolute sure, and yup the Neutriks were bigger fuller and perceivably louder.
@JerryTheVeganRockstar
@JerryTheVeganRockstar 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. I’m glad you did this video. Very helpful. I wonder if EVH did this research since he’s the ultimate respected tone chaser?
@Claimjumper55
@Claimjumper55 2 жыл бұрын
Here I am nerding out with Pete about guitar cables when I always use a wireless system. I do find it fascinating though and I'm going to dig out some cables and try this myself. This does make me wonder if professional musicians ever use a wireless in the studio.
@spencerdeaton7202
@spencerdeaton7202 2 жыл бұрын
Cool video, I’d go with Belden for a cranked 4 hole Marshall. I like to run my presence knob high.
@b.scottfarthingsworth
@b.scottfarthingsworth 2 жыл бұрын
Essential vid, thx Pete. Yeah, 'monstrous', belden, common generic - all sounded more dull. I use all lengths George L's, 2x20' Fatsoflex and 2xPlanet Waves [make your own length kit from over a decade ago, which all sound great to me. I stopped using Belden and generic stuff a while back. Never liked Monster except for one cable they made that professed more extended bass, and it was a great cable really, but it was only like 6' long so gave it away
@nickbenjamin6527
@nickbenjamin6527 2 жыл бұрын
I have a switch on my main guitar that disconnects the tone control or just assigns it to the bridge pickup. This allows me to shift the peak of the sound very much like the different cables. Of course you can't use the tone control in some positions...I could probably switch a resistor in and out instead to keep the tone control working all the time but I'd need to use much higher value pots which would introduce much more tone change as I rolled the volume down so I've stuck with the current setup...it works great as a brightness tweaker!
@jerbear1601
@jerbear1601 2 жыл бұрын
Another good thing to keep in mind is EQ. We can add and subtract so much from any pickup, cable, amp or effect sounds to supplement these effects. Yes the natural sound will avoid having to add noise with high end EQ boosts I suppose but.....
@LeeJHodgson
@LeeJHodgson Жыл бұрын
About 15 years ago, in a break between teaching classes at London's Guitar Institute (now ICMP), I went into a empty performance room and wailed on my Fret-King S-type guitar (custom built for me by Trev Wilkinson) through a cranked Vox AC15 and I compared two cables: an Evidence Audio Lyric and a Cordial CGK175 and the Cordial sounded way better! It was just so much more lively and vibrant sounding. It just made me grin!
@CordialCablesUSA
@CordialCablesUSA Жыл бұрын
Great to hear, Lee.
@ianwilson725
@ianwilson725 2 ай бұрын
That is fascinating! Always wondered about that stuff and am surprised how good the cheap PW sounded in comparison.
@elehnez5732
@elehnez5732 2 жыл бұрын
To be honest, live I always go for wireless. I know it sounds different and I did some cable sound tests some years ago. But playing live I prefer the freedom and can focus on the performance. A high quality sound maybe interesting to listen to. But it can get so boring if musicians never move a millimeter in stage 😂. Maybe I try my different cables again before doing my next recording - great video!
@cantcoact4412
@cantcoact4412 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks. If I can hear the differences, probably anyone can:) I like the Andre' clean and the High copper dirty. P.W. is not horrible.
@careyvinzant
@careyvinzant 2 жыл бұрын
I have tried some of higher-end (Mogami et al) cables and gone back to Whirlwind Leaders because I like the way they color the signal.
@ScottyBrockway
@ScottyBrockway 2 жыл бұрын
I use the Whirlwind cables too, I just like how they sound. I use 1 meg volume pots so I don't get as much high end loss anyway.
@BrianBrazilHarmonica
@BrianBrazilHarmonica 2 жыл бұрын
The first cable Andrew Gouche' cables sounded the strongest and the best balanced with all the frequencies not just the top.
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