I’m glad I can watch your stuff and get all my questions answered . Iv recently bought and received my dji setup and two quads and it’s nice to kind of know the limits before I find out myself ya know.. I think we all appreciate the hard work you put in man. Don’t forget to just have fun though and enjoy flying you don’t always have to be testing. Safe flying brother thx!
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
Honestly the testing is super fun lol
@rcrdps81444 жыл бұрын
@@Furadi Was going to reply basically the same thing. Flying is the main dream, but some of us need to be able to tinker to keep us interested. It's part of what turns me off of real aircraft,.. The FAA won't let you play with them. Wait a minute,..... getting de ja vu,....
@jibbajabba45974 жыл бұрын
Glad I'm not the only one who talks to their radio..... LOL
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
😂
@rgtt4 жыл бұрын
Me too but in Spanish: "que te calles!" (Shut up!) 🤣🤣🤣
@pofrani3 жыл бұрын
You just earned another subsciber! Thanks for posting flight videos without mixing them with lame ass music that everyone seems to be doing!!
@Simon-ow4pg3 жыл бұрын
You have a nice of presenting this stuff. Please keep up the good work. Compliments from the 🇬🇧
@dahanna4 жыл бұрын
I think everyone looking for a video for “comparison of air unit and caddx” would find this and realize this comparison is futile because the quads are not identical. At least replace the unit in the same quad for a real “comparison”. At least use the same antenna. Thank you for trying to throw it together anyway. This was the only video I found other than Bardwell.
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
🤔🤣 why would you think the frame has anything at all to do with it? also the antennas are about equal in performance as they're the 2 highest quality omnis you can get. They're not going to account for any difference.
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
Also, I fly the vista more just because the builds are lighter but even 2 months later it still performs noticeably worse in all conditions except maybe indoors.
@lazerusmfh3 жыл бұрын
@@Furadi Not using the same quad, nor the same antenna will not be a comparison of the unit... although similar its just... not a fair comparison honestly, your antennas and frames will provide different radiation patterns that affect the signals in different ways, that said, thanks for your comparison
@BigDFPV4 жыл бұрын
I'm buying Caddx Vistas for all my quads that I can fit it in. I really have no reason to go with the air unit when i'm totally happy with the vista's size and performance. Great test!
@stickboyfpv4742 Жыл бұрын
Only thing would be for 1080p recording..!
@caymandiver754 жыл бұрын
I use both the Vista and Air units on my 3” quads and can’t tell a difference. I also have the antennas up and out the back the same and believe you’re test could have been more definitive if you had your Vista unit antenna up and out the back further.
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
Like I explained in the video for the first test flying perpendicular the cherry antenna is completely unobstructed.
@Joe_Sa_3rd4 жыл бұрын
@@Furadi Perpendicular to a motor yes, hence the pore results. The DJI air unit had a good advantage on one antenna placement alone. To be honest the antenna placement on just about all DJI ready frames is just not where it needs to be. Yes I get it, the antennas need to be in the ideal location for a crash but it's no where near ideal. You would be shocked at the results you can get with proper antenna placement on just about any analog/HD rig. Respecting clean line of sign and low EM/RFI noise floor is a so key to the results you will get. No disrespect here cause I love your content but when it comes to RF even those that know just don't really understand.
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
This was covered in an earlier comment. The cherry antenna is actually above and behind the motors when viewing the quad from the side. Additionally the quad was flying banked to the left if you rewatch which drops the motor out of LOS even further. People are really reaching here lol. Again, it's ok that the vista did worse because for what it is it's still amazing.
@Joe_Sa_3rd4 жыл бұрын
@@Furadi I don't comment on speculation like most, I do real world testing but I do respect your comment and opinion. Please don't misunderstand my post honestly I do enjoy your content.
@gmivisualsjason37294 жыл бұрын
@@Joe_Sa_3rd I think I'm with you on this Joe. Based on my tests I'd say it's all about antenna placement
@dkieng4 жыл бұрын
No complaint here and thanks for sharing your test results. Much appreciated
@archangeltheblacksuperman52364 жыл бұрын
Good content. You’re the reason why I’m getting DJI goggles thanks for the great info👍🏾
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@holeshotfpv49714 жыл бұрын
They both worked pretty good for how I fly. Thanks for another great video.
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@danielrykala74617 ай бұрын
Could you share what soundpack are you using for your radio? Sound awesome. Great vid btw!
@marklee44094 жыл бұрын
Nice test. You would think that 2 antenna has to help. I still like the vista better. The slight performance hit seems worth the size and weight reduction. I think the bigger downside is the lack of an sd card.
@PIDtoolbox4 жыл бұрын
yes! was waiting for this!
@Gaby3DS2 жыл бұрын
Excelente video. Me sirve muchisimo!
@brianrenegar89644 жыл бұрын
For the first test, the Vista antenna might have been blocked by the rear motors since it was inline with them. With the standard Air Unit, you have the one antenna pointed up at 45 degrees. So it's probably no surprise that it did better. But that's the benefit of having diversity antennas, being able to separate them at different angles to better cover all flying situations.
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
You're the 2nd person to suggest that... I guess it doesn't show very well on the table but the antenna is not in-line with the motors. The motors are mounted below the bottom plate and the antenna is mounted to the top plate so it's clearly above the motors. It also sticks out past the motors rearward. I feel like people are trying to rationalize the vista doing worse and I don't understand why... for what it is it did really well I think. At one point in the first test the CL1 is slightly banked towards me (dropping the closer motor even lower) and the signal was still around 4mb.
@brianrenegar89644 жыл бұрын
@@Furadi Hard to see the exact positioning of the antenna from behind a computer screen. :-) I was just suggesting a possible reason why it appeared the Vista did "worse" than the standard air unit. Either way, it's an awesome system.
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
No I definitely would have called out any antenna obstructions like I did for the 2nd test. But I agree... even though the vista did worse guess which I've been flying the most between it and the air unit :p
@billw27554 жыл бұрын
great video as always would be nice to see all stock antennas on goggles and quads thanks for what you do
@SKIDOOSH4 жыл бұрын
Those RUSH antennas are pretty darn good! We use the crap out of them for racing here.
@juanm.varela57704 жыл бұрын
Great test. Good job!
@stevega10004 жыл бұрын
Its all interesting magic unicorn shit. I have not pulled the trigger on the vista yet. I'm still enjoying my 2 air unit models and not that convinced that the vista is an upgrade. Yes its smaller, lighter but is it worth it??? Loving your reviews of the HD stuff Conrad :)
@51im4 жыл бұрын
Should have used the same antennas on both. The vista antenna also looked like it was blocked by the motors on first test.
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
If you think a true-rc antenna would perform that much worse than a vas minion then that would mean it was either defective or broken. There usually isn't that much difference in performance when dealing with omni antennas. Keep in mind true-rc also designs the lumenier AXII.
@51im4 жыл бұрын
@@Furadi Running the same antennas would have just made it a true comparison. But probably more down to antenna placement.
@RADERFPV4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if there's any difference in RF performance between them for those of us that use the DJI remote. I wonder if we'd get less range with the Vista or not.
@megacanam4 жыл бұрын
So what’s with the range? Thought these were good for 4km? One tree and you lose signal
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
What the whole video? 🤔
@SeeFPv-qm6ie Жыл бұрын
why haven't you made any videos??¿??¿
@philip-sancho4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for trying with upgraded air unit antennas!
@tehllama424 жыл бұрын
Antenna gain is only a good thing as long as you can keep it away from the nulls. On an air unit, diversity means that gain isn't as much of a bad thing - on the Vista (or any singular output) you always want the minimum amount of gain if there's a chance you're going to wind up in the nulls. If you're cruising long range, and can point those nulls in directions you're really unlikely to be at max distance, then that gain is great - if you're like me (stupid) and want to do flippy floppies at distance, you either need minimal gain or diversity. To get max distance, it's diversity + gain... but as is the case with most of this stuff, it's less a signal strength problem than it is an SNR problem.
@tehllama424 жыл бұрын
So, Air unit should dominate in this case: for outdoor range testing, it means that you're not going to be in the null of both antennas, so you can run an antenna with better axial ratio (tends to have a little bit more gain to achieve that) which further aids in cleaning up signal in multipath environments. The signal processing that handles multipath (again, I'm guessing it's a DSSS-Rake arrangement) means that obstruction of the single antenna isn't as bad for SNR as it would be otherwise, which is why the Vista worked well at all.
@mikel34194 жыл бұрын
Gave up on the TrueRC antennas on your goggles I notice. Good test for the quad setups. Great place to fly.
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
No no, I only use them for LR.
@OneOfTheRobs3 жыл бұрын
I so love this from our hobby. It always throws us a curveball when we least expect it.. LOL 4:32 min.. FPV and it's puzzles 😃😃👍👍
@RotorBrothers4 жыл бұрын
Awesome fly and place mate 😵👊
@FPVStyle4 жыл бұрын
Very good. thanks for your video.
@FPVStyle4 жыл бұрын
I like your Armed sound. Where I can download this?
@AhmadFPV2 жыл бұрын
hey thanks for the review what do you think about Dji Radio controller? range specially inside buildings (bando) if I'm not mistaking lol.
@n8mxfpv4364 жыл бұрын
Possibly the Vas Minion performs better than the Rush Cherry ? I would be curious if the Vista performs better with a RP-SMA pigtail and a Vas Minion or the Airunit antenna that has the RP-SMA connector . IE get the antenna up and out a bit more . easy enough to find .stl files for most frames to have an SMA bracket at the rear . This would allow you to change antennas more often and not mess with the UFL so much.
@DaytonaJim784 жыл бұрын
Awesome thanks!
@28daballa4 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on setting up rssi with crossfire while using DJI ? Please
@aaronp67152 жыл бұрын
Im brand new to FPV, can someone please tell me what the sound "System on, ready to fly, engines armed" and "rf signal critical" is from? How do I get it? Great video by the way, very informative. Thank you!!
@Furadi2 жыл бұрын
Those are from the "amber sound pack" for OpenTX. open-txu.org/amber-sound-pack/ You have to add the sound files to your radio then manually assign an audio track to each function. You can probably find a seperate video on it.
@spockfpv4 жыл бұрын
Great video and info, do you still agree that the Air Unit gets a better signal?
@travaresaytch4 жыл бұрын
Nice test i guess ill get the air unit first it seems to be more reliable i dunno about the vista it gets hot here in the summer dunno how it will hold up
@rcrdps81444 жыл бұрын
Nice test! Yeah, the Vista definitely still has its place,....especially if you don't want to de-case. But air unit isn't going to lose it's market share either,..
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
Yep that's kinda how I feel too.
@Lift33d3 жыл бұрын
hey there bro Ive been fling for over 10 years and look at the omni direction scale on google as a diagram and look at the and then compare it to the antenna angle your vista w. let me know if that makes a difference as at I bet 100% that if you got a nice 75* angle on that vista antenna you will get 6 per pass.. The issue with you crossfire can not be related to be a reason for the issue with your Vista as they are two separate systems. good luck and hope this help also great flying and keep posting ,please let me know if this helps!
@gmivisualsjason37294 жыл бұрын
I think it comes down to antenna placement being more important.
@gabinofpv3 жыл бұрын
is the tango now up to 1W?
@Restless20104 жыл бұрын
I have a TransTec beetle and I took those dipole antennas that come with it off and put on the DJI antennas that came with the air unit. Now I get half of the range why would that be?
@kaodesg32704 жыл бұрын
I heard that the vista have some trouble with temperature. It get to hot.🤷♂️
@jj-he8ty3 жыл бұрын
No hot problem if keep flying.
@NUROCK4 жыл бұрын
Is Caddx Vista Digital, supports dji controller radio ???
@cmacclel4 жыл бұрын
Time to upgrade the hat :)
@SetitesTechAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Is there some sort of foveated rendering? The outer edge of the video looks blurred.
@cesarango013 жыл бұрын
Did you ever do the range test? Low and high agl? Guy I know where I live, South America, did 3 km.
@509FUN3 жыл бұрын
Best upgraded antenna you can get vs the stock antennas on the vista lol it’s not similar at all especially considering the diversity vs non. It’s just making the fact that you have extremely high end antennas on the one with only one antenna
@mazyarahmadi54243 жыл бұрын
Great video. Dumb question, CL1 has the Vista and HD1 had the Air unit? Thank you, really like your content!
@Furadi3 жыл бұрын
Yessir
@tribefpv4 жыл бұрын
I love flying in 16/9 over in around trees so cool. Ive only got the airunit , ive been waiting to see what the vista is like. Have you found the vista ok in crashes ? I really like your comparison tests bro 👊thanks for sharing. Lol buy the way it was your videos on the DJI setup that made me change over , i believe what u say 👍
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
😳😳
@FrankCitro4 жыл бұрын
Big review ;)
@Nikita-zd1gc4 жыл бұрын
i hear that rush cherry has 1.2dbi . It is good for 360° flight, but i will prefer to use smth like axii because they have 2.5-3dbi( extra 2 dbi) . In math 1200mw on 1.2dbi =700mw on 2.5-3dbi antennas. for long range and penetration 100% needs to upgrade.
@tehllama424 жыл бұрын
As long as you can keep it away from the nulls. On an air unit, diversity means that gain isn't a bad thing - on the Vista (or any singular output) you always want the minimum amount of gain if there's a chance you're going to wind up in the nulls.
@unskilled_worker3 жыл бұрын
What mounting bracket do you use on 5" frame? I can't seem to find one that i know is going to work.
@chrispfligler58924 жыл бұрын
Appreciate all the testing! I’m still on the fence as to if aftermarket antennas actually perform much better than stock. Also have you noticed if props in view affect your range? Just read a thing where lots of movement on the screen takes up bandwidth and affect performance. Any take on that?
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
No having props in view will cause more pixelation but I haven't noticed any decrease in range. IMO if you don't plan on running a gopro definitely look for a frame that keeps the props out of view.
@kibbycabbit4 жыл бұрын
By the design, center will retain high bit rate while edge has lower bitrate, having props out of view certain has the benefit. Can you do the comparison if you have the frame?
@bwarner084 жыл бұрын
you are definitely my go to for dji info. Thanks. i feel sub 250 maybe the future and would like to fly over five minutes since the view is so addictive. any chance you would be willing to go sub 250 and test flight longevity with air unit and vista? No way i am registering. like many others, i feel like this may be one of the few paths to enjoy the hobby without braking the law.
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
I definitely want to! Just waiting to see what the companies come up with once they start trickling back into work lol.
@flo-ridafpv57134 жыл бұрын
Nice test bro, Air unit w 2 antennas usin MIMO should get way better range in concrete at distance
@tehllama424 жыл бұрын
I doubt it's true MIMO - most likely running independent rake receivers then signal combining (MUX) aftewards, which should be pretty solid... most of the improvement is there. Practically, for outdoor range testing, it means that you're not going to be in the null of both antennas, so you can run an antenna with better axial ratio (tends to have a little bit more gain to achieve that) which further aids in cleaning up signal in multipath environments.
@flo-ridafpv57134 жыл бұрын
@@tehllama42 ah OK good info, regardless it loves concrete or steel on both sides at distance ......luv dji
@tehllama424 жыл бұрын
@@flo-ridafpv5713 Yeah, that's something direct analog cannot compete with.
@MoppelMat4 жыл бұрын
Regarding the crossfire: the 250mW should be plenty. Habe you seen the TBS video where they flown 30miles with it? Do you need to acro 2 miles out on 150Hz? I ditch my big crossfire as soon my tango 2 arrives!
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
I don't really care about a range test in ideal conditions on a wing. With my quads I'm at least at 500mw dynamic if I plan to fly any farther than a half mile. I've had enough close calls that I just don't risk it.
@SeeFPv-qm6ie4 жыл бұрын
what radio do you use?
@zfpv72114 жыл бұрын
150hz Mode according to Trappy, is only meant for racing. In auto mode it switches back to 50Hz pretty quick. Like usually 100-200 yards away for me. I’m actually really surprised you made it as far as you did lol.
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
Oh that was totally a fluke. I regularly fly a few hundred yards in force 150hz @ 100mw. I really only turn in off for my FR7. Not interested in 50hz on my freestyle quads at all lol.
@zfpv72114 жыл бұрын
Furadi Interesting. I’ve been refraining from trying the forced 150Hz mode because of how quick it transitions in auto lol I’ll have to give it a shot this weekend to see if it’ll cover my normal fly spot
@rotornewbie60634 жыл бұрын
Cool!!!
@mikel34194 жыл бұрын
So if you are flying within 1km do you fly the TrueRC nubs alone? Why not fly the long range set all the time?
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
Basically because they're so big. Makes the goggles vulnerable to damage and they don't fit in bags well with the Xairs on.
@JB-cq2wo3 жыл бұрын
Hi can someone please tell me if I can get the sound of my motors in my DVR with vista or is it just video ? hmmmmm
@Furadi3 жыл бұрын
No audio on the vista.
@fuba444 жыл бұрын
I notice that you don't have your analog faceplate on? Any issues with it? I ask because I'm about to buy your exact setup..
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
No no I just remove it when I'm not using it.
@nes.torfernandez4 жыл бұрын
Why temperature control off? and do you recommend fly like that? I know it maybe improve range but that Came with negative stuff if I’m right!
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
I think I've just noticed some inconsistencies with temp control on. Especially down in florida. But I need to test it more to be sure.
@nes.torfernandez4 жыл бұрын
Furadi great! Is good to know that I just did a post about it on the group long time ago and anyone couldn’t give me a solid answer. Will be great to see a video about that if us possible. Will be the o lot one on KZfaq talking about it 👍🏼
@escobarfpv12754 жыл бұрын
C. Rad I got an idea for your next DJI video. Go to that one lake. Then take off that hat and FULL SEND IT!😂🤣 #FULLSENDDATBITCH
@dana27504 жыл бұрын
Furadi have you tried the DJI transmitter and what are your thoughts if you have. I don’t own anything yet and I’m debating if it’s worth the extra hundred to get the whole kit or just the goggles and air unit, then get the Radio Master t16 when it comes out for $130ish.
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
I have it feels pretty quality in the hand... BUT it's too limited for what I do because I still fly micros on sbus and long range with crossfire. I think the best use case for the DJI controller is for newcomers or people that really don't want to deal with adding a receiver.
@dana27504 жыл бұрын
Furadi thanks for getting back to me. I guess I have to decide whether I will ever get into micros or not. With that said I have another question, what would be the smallest quad a Vista setup could fit in? Are 2-3 inch quads considered a micro? I’ve been debating getting the Novice 3 setup with box goggles or just skipping that step and going all out with a DJI goggle/transmitter and building a 5 inch setup or try out the Transtec 2.5/3 inch beetle. I’ve been into RC for 25 years so building and setting up a quad won’t be an issue. I like hearing different opinions on which route to take with getting into the FPV hobby. What do you recommend?
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
Oh people are already putting the vista in indoor whoop style quads. It sounds like you're gonna like FPV so IMO skip the novice stuff!
@peteflyfpv86974 жыл бұрын
How can I make my quad go long distance with not losing range and picture?
@chrishiggins74754 жыл бұрын
petefly FPV use analog
@peteflyfpv86974 жыл бұрын
@@chrishiggins7475 so your saying stay with the original stuff. What I have is a spektrum Radio dx9 but if I got the crossfire radio would it make a difference?
@skyracer74024 жыл бұрын
can you use 8s lipo?
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
Not on these builds no...
@SilentlineProduction4 жыл бұрын
That is weird when I originally heard vista would be better outside then inside hmmm how u like the minions? And are u running crossfire lite or micro
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
yep basically the assumptions about the vista were kind of backwards... at least for me lol. I'm running the crossfire full. Minions are great... similar performance to an axii.
@SilentlineProduction4 жыл бұрын
Furadi nice u should try the trueRC long matchsticks in the horizontal alignment for the air unit next and I was thinking of picking up some minions actually tried them on analog during the weekend and had a clarity difference given the fact I have a shitty vtx so it’s easier to see the difference lol upgrading to rush tank Ultimate vtx soon and my boy has air unit and vista and that’s a rush antenna on the vista not bad but good to see a test with range involved
@escobarfpv12754 жыл бұрын
The vista is cool if you just have to stick it in an old frame and run a GoPro, but the air unit is the way to go. The weight savings isn’t that great for a five inch or greater build. I still don’t see why everyone is so hyped to put the vista in the beta 95x. It doesn’t seem that fun to fly and you don’t get hd dvr.
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I'm pumped on the vista. (if you couldn't tell lol) 19g vs 35g is huge for any size quad. Actually it's closer to 40g for the AU if you count the extra antenna not to mention mounting.
@escobarfpv12754 жыл бұрын
@@Furadi I noticed that you've been totally pumped up pissin off DJI haters 🤣😂. That's what made me follow you.
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
@@escobarfpv1275 😂
@ToastyMcNuggetLuvr4 жыл бұрын
What headband is this for the DJI goggles?
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
Ethix v2. But you have to cut a slot in the rings to use it.
@ToastyMcNuggetLuvr4 жыл бұрын
@@Furadiis it worth it? The DJI one kind of sucks. The straps constantly come loose and also I don't like the top strap
@TakeItToTheGround4 жыл бұрын
My latency as reported by DJI goggles is about 40 ms. This seems very high. How do I get the latency down?
@Furadi4 жыл бұрын
Are you running in HQ mode or low latency?
@TakeItToTheGround4 жыл бұрын
@@Furadi Tried both without any difference. I was in CE mode, although that isn't the right mode for where I live. I have changed to FCC for my next test on the weekend.
@TakeItToTheGround4 жыл бұрын
Furadi Still had about 40 ms latency in low latency mode or HQ mode when in CE mode. Switched to FCC 200 mW and then when I switched to low latency mode delay was about 20-25 ms. Still about 40 ms in HQ mode. So CE mode was an issue with latency for me, although the picture quality was faultless. All this was with a vista in a 3" quad. I doubt I'd ever get a full size unit as it really is even too big for my wings.