didnt bother watching it live, but i can already tell from the length of the vid that it was a clean sweep
@durumrum5998 Жыл бұрын
Doms vid was 22 mins lol
@ethulwulf5351 Жыл бұрын
Is Lulu so bad into Naut? The stats don’t look bad
@lazysean5418 Жыл бұрын
@@ethulwulf5351 not that bad but there is more better choice open like Braum and Tresh since they only ban Rakan
@seffer9772 Жыл бұрын
@@durumrum5998 who tf watches dom
@ericjosh1311 Жыл бұрын
Editor edited this faster than caedrel cancelling it
@baumundallesandere Жыл бұрын
Hm a 36 min video... I wonder who is gonna win...
@toastermicrowave Жыл бұрын
@@baumundallesandere LMAO the second I saw that i was like ok well i guess i know who won the series.
@rhys8457 Жыл бұрын
@@toastermicrowaveyup, just saw vid length and this looks like it was an easy 3-0 win for C9. can't wait to watch how they did it now.
@Obeast117 Жыл бұрын
@@baumundallesandere hmm a Korean team vs an NA team in 2023... I wonder who will win
@lunanacomet Жыл бұрын
And with the LCS falling apart as we speak, the gap is indeed closing, but it's the gap between LCS and the grave.
@dylanwiggins1621 Жыл бұрын
The LEC is sliding hard as well. The West just isn’t comparable to the East.
@GothPaoki Жыл бұрын
C9 systems are so good they speedrun international competitions every time..
@bomnitoperro9422 Жыл бұрын
They are, and even being that good they cant compete, imagine now with the retarded ls in charge they would be worse
@albrechtryan7799 Жыл бұрын
It’s so good every western teams keep copying it these last years
@derroz3157 Жыл бұрын
agreed
@Zhangjiajie425 Жыл бұрын
Clearly not as good as MAD lion systems tho
@Andrew-cy7jo Жыл бұрын
Yet they are the only NA team to do anything at worlds
@chriswalker7408 Жыл бұрын
A BO5 video that is 30 minutes long. Really paints a picture
@teacoffin Жыл бұрын
This is the team that stomped the whole NA btw. 😂
@Byoxer Жыл бұрын
Can we get together in a round table with all the best analysts, casters, players (or whoever has high LoL knowledge) from all over the West, to have a discussion about: "How the fuck can we beat the LPL/LCK?" Caedrel, take the initiative.
@SpaghettiPlays Жыл бұрын
we dont need that amount of resource to point out the obvious, bad drafting, focus on making $, no team synergy, bad outlook on the game, no patience, hands diff.
@nkjoself2040 Жыл бұрын
@@SpaghettiPlays You forget the most important things: They put in more hours and when your domestic league is very strong, you are forced to improve to stay ahead of the curve. EDIT: The best way to find out if it is a player-diff or League diff would be to place the top NA and EU teams in LCK or LPL. Give them a season or two to compete and adapt to the League and get used to the level of competition. Atleast they could do it with the NA-teams, their league is dead anyway and Korea isn't that far away.
@Byoxer Жыл бұрын
@@SpaghettiPlays Well, I know, everyone knows, but at this point I'm already filled with despair xd
@Jzhongzhi Жыл бұрын
Hands diff. Take the whole NA and EU squad to KR server for a half a year to bootcamp till worlds.
@jackbrian2993 Жыл бұрын
G2 almost did it, well they owned LCK for the entire year of 2019, but LPL stomped them...Misfit was also close when they fought SKT. I think it all comes down to the amount of time invested into the game. Some of the LCK and LPL players are insane, beause they observe everything, the cooldown, the objectives, which abilities did their enemy level up first and such, I never see LEC or LCS does it, it's the details that matters, skill gaps are easier to close but mindset and strategy is what LCS and LEC needs to work on, also LCS treat the audience like kids, doesn't matter how shit they are they know people will support them, so they don't care about the result, which is another reason they don't improve because they are well protected by their fans.
@masterlemonade9805 Жыл бұрын
You know GENG didn't even try when Delight took ignite while playing vs Kennen, sad sight that West didn't show up on this tournament
@eoin0304 Жыл бұрын
The upload faster than the whole series lol
@nkjoself2040 Жыл бұрын
Was gonna write a message so viewers don't get spoiled but CMON, we all know how this would go.
@jackbrian2993 Жыл бұрын
This was a hard L, it's 2023 and NA still doesn't know how to exchange resources and objectives, it's almost like they don't have anyone to make the call, while GenG is tight as a fist with five fingers holding together, and C9 is just everywhere...still a long way to go.
@ryder8646 Жыл бұрын
EU and NA are both hopelessly lost vs the eastern teams in league western esports fans will have to stick to FPS if they want to cheer for their own region and have a reasonable chance of winning
@Torannn Жыл бұрын
How tf are G2 the only team that score 2 wins again the east team? Like wtf The west are doomed
@Lounes378 Жыл бұрын
Gg took a game too
@evilkingster Жыл бұрын
@@Torannn gg beat blg once, so not only g2 got a win vs the east and even does wins where obvious int/throws from the eastern team and less G2 playing out of their mind and beating them.
@Gurpreet-sv5zg Жыл бұрын
Basically all of the west.
@mauriciobetimpaesleme8702 Жыл бұрын
22:20 "9/10 I think they would lose" True copium thinking that they would win 1
@markotimcevski1269 Жыл бұрын
In all these years of competitive League of legends, never have i seen a bigger gap between West and East. Damn. GG for trying NA bros. Like ceadrel said. We will cry together...
@TH-dg2mm Жыл бұрын
It's only going to get worse as times goes on. Korean/Chinese pros are chasing perfection and NA pros are chasing maximum $ with minimum effort.
@Xejejipi Жыл бұрын
That feeling when the other team has already won two games, and there’s not enough time left in the video for it to be a come back. Pure despair.
@hashteraksgage3281 Жыл бұрын
The only comeback c9 can do is to the airport xdd
@abb21a Жыл бұрын
now the real tournament starts
@Stormzy2heaven Жыл бұрын
32 Minute video?? I can't believe c9 3-0'd Gen.G!!
@ElfD4rk Жыл бұрын
The rocket cam was more interesring than the 3 games combined.
@Ultimatelucas12 Жыл бұрын
5:17 Caedrel so upset he started to glitch in real life
@utkarshsh Жыл бұрын
32 min video This can't be good
@candelalux1403 Жыл бұрын
I think coaching staff is a huge issue for the west, the only team drafting with a brain and somewhat decent macro was G2 who are held back by other teams that offer no competition. Stop getting random people as coaches and try to get actually decent coaches who are invested into the game and execute training on a high level, just scrimming isn’t helping. Also get a Academy system in place, teams need to work with 2 rosters LEC & LCS format with no bo5 games and little preparation between games is also not helping.
@nasoweak445 Жыл бұрын
It has always been the players that plays the game. G2 comp is okay but Hans Sama is so passive. C9 comp was okay but too many mistakes from the players.
@platanusroad7685 Жыл бұрын
Sad news, the talents required in LCK/LPL stage/KR server are very likely not the same people as NA/EU server drafted/naturally selected. It is already shown between KR and CN server, the people who have higher rank in KR does not neccessary also have higher rank in CN. And the worst thing is, even though top Chinese players train in KR server for years, their brain construction for league is already built back when they were play in CN server which is unhealthier than KR (but much better than NA and EU anyway), and that's basically the reason why CN players are generally much worse than KR players with same lp even after years in KR. (If u think that can be changed, think about the food flavour, ur lifelong preference will remain at least relevant with ur childrenhood preference, cuz you brain has "wired" in that way and the dopamine just naturally stimulate you in that way. Same with language stuff, culture stuff, personality stuff.) So this is totally a despair for you guys, as everything need to be shuffled, including a players life from a very early stage. It basically means that, there's no room for progress, Chinese pros has proved that to a certain extent. The gap can be closer anyway if u just send NA/EU teams in KR for a while for adapting the competition level (like even secondary teams in asia could do better than NA/EU top teams versus LCK/LPL teams, the gap is way too huge and that makes every actions of progressing look effective. Think about World Cup, countries Tahiti and Iceland could even win top teams, but it is impossible for NA/EU on league, it could not be described as huge difference, it's dimensional gap.), but you can never really as competitive as them.
@Gurpreet-sv5zg Жыл бұрын
G2 def did not have decent macro. Only time G2 actually won games vs Eastern teams was them throwing giga leads.
@JasonJia11 Жыл бұрын
Are we just gonna pretend that Caps and Hans Sama didn't play terribly this tournament? I swear people love blaming coaching while protecting the players. Players also have a big say on what the draft and macro plays should be.
@TashiPM Жыл бұрын
Its the players, not the coaches.
@folieadeux147 Жыл бұрын
The question is, is this the result of Fudge watching thebausffs’ Sion guide or the result of him not watching the Sion guide
@pinkmilk356 Жыл бұрын
Love how you can roughly tell what happened just by looking at how long the video goes for :)
@bernies9601 Жыл бұрын
don't be too sad. C9 is a team of 2 ex-LCK substitutes and 3 amateur randos. they did well against a professional team lmao.
@drakenus777 Жыл бұрын
An LPL 3-0 is a 60 minute KZfaq video. An LCS 3-0 is a 30 minute video.
@niri108 Жыл бұрын
;p
@josephmuir4189 Жыл бұрын
Dog9 needs to stop being overhyped as "best NA international team" - their last international achievement was 2018 when none of these players were on the team. The insane belief/overhype of that org is punished every time deservedly
@alex2005z Жыл бұрын
And you compare this to?
@Mojo1800 Жыл бұрын
@@alex2005zNo one. C9 ARE the best team internationally NA has. It's just that the west/east gap is that high.
@SergioMnl Жыл бұрын
At least they knocked FPX out of groups in 2021 i guess but yea they've been pretty bad
@josephmuir4189 Жыл бұрын
@@SergioMnl RGE actually knocked FPX out, and that was perhaps the single greatest choke job in Worlds history. Far more on FPX collapse rather than C9 being good
@SergioMnl Жыл бұрын
@@josephmuir4189 wasnt it TES last year that got knocked out by GAM (DRX and RGE moved forward)
@LadiciusVibe Жыл бұрын
Yo mr. Editor, stop sweating for world records.
@noahg1121 Жыл бұрын
My god this whole tournament has been the biggest thrashing the west has ever suffered against the east. It looks so east for Korea and China…
@jordanwalker8251 Жыл бұрын
I really like Caedrel's analysis but he's still consistently going off tired narratives about GenG/Chovy. Things like "It's fine if he goes Nautilus, he's just going to farm anyways" are so out of touch because Chovy has roamed so much the entire split. Ki da disappointed honestly
@hihill5 Жыл бұрын
Can' agree more. Chovy is doing differently now. Roaming all over the map and still having even-cs
@nuraby_9228 Жыл бұрын
"but he's still consistently going off tired narratives about GenG/Chovy. " So like all the LCS and LEC casters on the official Riot stream lol
@jordanwalker8251 Жыл бұрын
@@nuraby_9228 Well yh, and I don't listen to them for analysis for that very reason. Caedrel actually watched the LCK and a really good analyst so I expect him to provide the best insight.
@tkraid2575 Жыл бұрын
I don't know what you're frustrated about 😂 What do you wanna hear other than Chovy played exceptionally well in his role? There's nothing much to talk about in a series where GenG's opponent loses so easily.
@toumorokoshi1619 Жыл бұрын
@@tkraid2575 Oh. It's because Chovy isn't as big of a cs farmer as he was the past few years. He's roaming a lot more now.
@Riptide09 Жыл бұрын
Speed, Editor is Speed faster than faster quicker than quicker, Speed Editor is Speed. Caedrel: (knock-knock) "hey editor you cancelling it?"
@Spewf Жыл бұрын
reminds me of that southpark episode where ike's hockey team plays the detroit red wings and just get clapped
@svltches4477 Жыл бұрын
The west last hope: *30 min video*
@dizz1934 Жыл бұрын
Chovy is Cracked.
@BlackJezus25 Жыл бұрын
32 minute video = 3-0 and the west is eliminated 😔
@fraker12 Жыл бұрын
Some say Zven is still spamming the C9 emote on the flight way home
@dhruvpal5232 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading longest video of this series 😔
@YoHoosierDaddy Жыл бұрын
There was never a chance, let alone The Last.🤣
@seffer9772 Жыл бұрын
The way c9 fans talk about crabber you'd think he would've held his own somewhat. Dude got gigagapped all MSI.
@ronlanders7354 Жыл бұрын
Individual players of na,eu are not that bad. It's the execution of plays in skirmish or team fights of na,eu that is lacking. These tiny errors and/or slower reactions to plays add up and create these deficits. They need to be more cohesive. It still feels like solo q at times, as if na, eu teams are not sure what do as a team. Some of the lck vs lec and lol vs lcs were competitive in a sense but it slips in favor to lpl, lck since they seem to be same page as a team. It doesn't matter if na or eu had 3 top lck players since they'd lack cohesive properties to play as a team. They'd be no different from how other imports played, it's definitely a type of coaching issue.
@carcas3d Жыл бұрын
1:13 Yawning jezuz the disrespect...
@judahclark3100 Жыл бұрын
man i was so excited to watch msi this year, but these 3-0 are a snooze fest to watch
@kcytuwu Жыл бұрын
You know it's a stomp when you see caedrel video is 35 mins xDd
@SexyEarHair Жыл бұрын
28:34 "hey its winnable" Checks time left on video Ahhhh
@carsonyoder7388 Жыл бұрын
Havent even started yet but the fact its only a 30 min video means GenG won
@Target135 Жыл бұрын
Dang. When the MSI recap video is 30 minutes.. you already know it ain’t good
@bradpaul7058 Жыл бұрын
Thoughts on a eu vs na region mini tourney? Top 4 lec and top 4 na best of 3 dbl elimination bo5 finals for qualifying to worlds
@user-kg8bc6vq7v Жыл бұрын
Honestly, at this point west should have 2 seeds and east should have 6. Maybe this 4x4 qualifier and then 2 best go to worlds, maybe just NA and EU. Because only 1 western team managed to get at least 1 game against east.
@bradpaul7058 Жыл бұрын
So basically the format based on the last split would be: Lec: Mad G2 BDS Vit/Koi (not sure who finished 4th) LCS: C9 GG Flyquest Evil Geniuses Duking it out for top 2 to qualify to worlds?
@nuraby_9228 Жыл бұрын
You mean rift rivals?
@bradpaul7058 Жыл бұрын
@@nuraby_9228 yeah, but higher stakes because lets face it, the east is going to be destroying the west no matter what international competition it is. Theres a huge gap between the east and west. And this would give the west some hope to have a snowball chance in hell of upsetting a lpl or a lck team at worlds.
@bradpaul7058 Жыл бұрын
@@user-kg8bc6vq7v only 2 teams got a game off the east this entire tournament. G2 twice and gg in play ins
@krsitijangosevski5912 Жыл бұрын
30min video C9 must have 3-0 them
@RinrinFran Жыл бұрын
There goes Knight's dream of GenG vs JDG finals.
@nsp-rc9tw Жыл бұрын
wow video is 32 min. you know already what happened to C9
@christopherchen9620 Жыл бұрын
Video length says it all 🙃
@johanntan86 Жыл бұрын
EU can brag they bagged the fastest loss of the tournament.
@kymotsujason Жыл бұрын
NA is like a single core cpu while every other region has a variety of cores and some even cpus + cores.
@ghie2372 Жыл бұрын
msi last year with 1 slot each: lpl lck 1st 2nd msi this year with 2 slots: lpl lck 1st 2nd 3rd 4th the west just aint breaking through that barrier anymore
@purplekey9330 Жыл бұрын
Fudge proxy farming while Peanut and Chovy box him in I feel is the encapsulating moment that explains C9's international issues to me. They just... Lack respect sometimes and it kicks them in the ass
@bomnitoperro9422 Жыл бұрын
You are putting c9 into fudge responsability
@hunglee7529 Жыл бұрын
blaber dicided to lose slowly everygame by not ganking at all
@simonpedersen5398 Жыл бұрын
When first game ends a third through the video
@darkwing4 Жыл бұрын
NAedrel has all the style points
@yuanhaonong2928 Жыл бұрын
Jesus's Next Impossible Mission Found: "Someone that can save the West."
@iusedtoofftank9110 Жыл бұрын
Editor was faster than the games total god damn.
@matthewtang1350 Жыл бұрын
its all up to prince to save the west
@morowolf7908 Жыл бұрын
Editors breaking record
@adamshinkiewicz4753 Жыл бұрын
Bro I just dont understand how fudge can be so good in na and then look so lost internationally. Like licorice looked so much better then him. The same guy who was going 0/7 on Lee sin top during the regular season. I guess at this point I thought fudge would look better since he’s gone international a couple times now.
@creatinepowder167 Жыл бұрын
because in na he is playing vs dog shit teams and then in international he plays vs top quality players? you literally answered your own q in the first sentence lil bro
@evilkingster Жыл бұрын
C9 is the new TSM lol they win lcs talk about how good they will be internationally, only to lose each time. Yea GG lost, but they were competitive vs JDG they sadly just fell apart in losing to c9 which is what usually happened to c9 when going against to tsm and letting them be the #1 team for NA. Everyone in C9 is overrated besides Berserker and if I was him I would go to LCK back or get in a lpl team.
@Gurpreet-sv5zg Жыл бұрын
C9 as a team have a big team gap over other teams. Fudge can have draft resources, mid prio, bot prio, and jungle having all the tools necessary to control the entire map. It's a lot easier to do well in NA when you're basically on the GSW. Any mistakes are small. It doesn't take much to pop off. That's the reason a lot of the best NA teams are never their top seed. They have to be a lot smarter and make plays to get leads as they gapped in lane from the LCS top seed. LCS top seed rely too heavily on hand gap to generate leads.
@greenhat7618 Жыл бұрын
104, 1647, 320. Sums up the tournament.
@josephbuenaflor8720 Жыл бұрын
Buying Mejai's On a losing Lane deeymm .
@user-hc6rp5xi1b Жыл бұрын
Tomorrow, asentic MSI will start
@supanye Жыл бұрын
C9 need to give berserker a better support.
@unemployed5373 Жыл бұрын
Editor breaking records
@rammie002 Жыл бұрын
Get home excited after work not seeing the score!! See 32:32 time.. Ah fuck.
@redalaouredi1677 Жыл бұрын
You know something went wrong when the video is 30 min long
@zedstormkontacz3966 Жыл бұрын
The minutes of the vid spoils it lollll, it either went really well or it was uhhhhhh yeahhh
@mai-xf5tn Жыл бұрын
"autopilot win"
@7cmheaven Жыл бұрын
33min vid in a bo5 is crazy
@dmitriigritiv6543 Жыл бұрын
Berserker to DK
@jonathanerhard8353 Жыл бұрын
30 minute Video /: oh god it must have been a close Game D:
@From_Orbit Жыл бұрын
This shit JUST ended bro wtf
@christopherstone833 Жыл бұрын
Another speedrun BACK to NA 😂
@bookrs1532 Жыл бұрын
Draft was more interesting than the games
@tobiaguidi2143 Жыл бұрын
Tell me it was a stomp without telling me it was a stomp: 32 minutes video
@chessplatypus4769 Жыл бұрын
although no game was ever close XD game 3 was fun tbh
@argar1000 Жыл бұрын
30 minute video 💀
@Mynameisjoof Жыл бұрын
Not a good sign when this is uploaded this early LOL
@BartekJC Жыл бұрын
If I had to rate the western teams at MSI, I would say G2 over Golden Guardians over Mad Lions over C9.
@manglian6589 Жыл бұрын
Only Mr.Beast can save the west now
@zaco53 Жыл бұрын
32 min video is a bad sign for C9
@willjardine7337 Жыл бұрын
Video is 30 Min long for 3 games man , knew it was 3-0
@cchris86channelyo Жыл бұрын
Western fans, if you are stressed out seeing your home teams getting stomped, it's okay, because that's how eastern football fans have been feeling for decades (aka forever)
@rovint_ Жыл бұрын
his mic keeps popping or like distorting. idk if its because of his stream settings or the youtube video but it would be great if it can be fixed
@AdamMura Жыл бұрын
Hey I didn't notice anything like that in the edit, could you timestamp some of the bits where it's like that and I'll look into it?
@rovint_ Жыл бұрын
@@AdamMura I forgot to reply to this but I havent noticed it in the new LPL videos 👍
@aidanang Жыл бұрын
33 minute video! Wonder who won
@yun8996 Жыл бұрын
How to save west=Import the east LMAOOOO
@TheOneDerp Жыл бұрын
The NA vs EU banter wasn't even fun this MSI. Seeing how much better the eastern teams are than the western teams has made me want to even cheer for EU. Unite the west, and we can help each other cope brothers
@lourencio6456 Жыл бұрын
The West sure is insane with speedrunining international events, something that East can't ever do 😎
@ChrisTomatoPie Жыл бұрын
22:49 absolute Copium overdose. This mf straight up acting as if its 2-2 grand finals xD
@nickydevries1994 Жыл бұрын
20 minutes in, 4 ads already Jesus christ
@TheChubbyLevi Жыл бұрын
I can't even watch this, man.
@veganrunner4172 Жыл бұрын
Whats your sense about these pick and bans when eastern teams can pick 5 teemos with smite against westerm teams and still win by a mile.
@ioijung2896 Жыл бұрын
Damn so fastt
@daromes01 Жыл бұрын
Whyyyyy would you put the info in the thumbnail? I missed one day, wanted to watch the G2 series today together with C9 And now I have the result spoiled… please think about this in the future as I Love your vids…
@aloneinthetop Жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHHAHAHA when i see the usa flag i cracked lmao
@Jack-xg3on Жыл бұрын
the whole vid is only 32mins 💀💀💀
@dandyfetus3013 Жыл бұрын
C9 just sucked so much during MSI literally how can you int so much during a pro match. Zven and fudge just wanted to eat all the hooks and put so much gold into the kha
@curatorx5702 Жыл бұрын
I wonder what would Zven do if he got bmed this series, one might think he'd fist fight Delight given his previous behaviour.