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Kematu: So, will you help me? Me: hold on *pulls out phone and watches 52 minute video*

I always got the vibe she was lying. What kind of assassins are like: they won't let us in the city, oh well

Iman: “These men are willing to pay off jarls and guards” Alik’r: **leaves when a guard tells them to**

I know I'm late to this video, but theres a simpler reason in the lore for why the urn appears. To the people of whiterun, saadia just goes missing one day, and never returns. In a land as dangerous as skyrim, that usually means death. Hence, a funeral is held for her, even with no remains.

Saadia: *tries to have a normal conversation* That one guy in the background: _There once was a hero named Ragnar the Red--_

Saadia: "Oh no they found me" 1 minute later: "I heard one of them is in jail"

If the Aldmeri dominion were to send someone to kill Saadia, they wouldn't send a band of redguard mercenaries. They'd send a lone, unassuming assassin. You know, the way the Thalmor sent a khajit woman after you in Riften.

She accuses them of being assassins, but do you ever see them assassinate anyone? They capture her alive with a paralysis spell, not to mention how upset and enraged Kematu gets if you kill Sadia. If he was an assassin why would he be upset that you killed his mark? You did his job for him.

Kematu really does hit you with “Don’t be simpin’ king, your crown is gonna fall off”

"Saadia looks in her.. 20s, 30s?" Saadia in vanilla game: *greying hair, paler face, mood lines showing a character older than young adult* Me: Don't be fooled by a modded pretty face!

The first thing Saadia does is manipulate you into thinking she needs your help before pulling a knife on you. She definitely does not seem like some innocent girl who simply spoke out against the Thalmor.

One of many reasons I trust Kematu is that he doesn't immediately try to kill you, even after you ruthlessly slaughter his men. He says something to the effect of "Let us avoid unnecessary bloodshed. No one else needs to die here." If he were an assassin as Saadia says he is, he would not hesitate to spill as much blood as is necessary.

Sadadia: I know you're not one of them, please help me Me a redguard wearing alik'r armor and my curved sword equipped: Are you sure about that?

Meanwhile in the background... *_OH, THERE ONCE WAS A HERO NAMED RAGNAR THE RED_*

My favorite memory of this questline is when I played a plodding Stormcloak who wasn't bright enough to figure out who was lying but did know one of them was, so he killed both to be sure he got the right one.

I think you can also explain her remains showing up as actually just being a memorial made by her friends in Whiterun after she disappeared one day.

Plot twist, both sides are lying and “saadia” actually just owes skooma money to the wrong people.

Kematu's final statement, that it isn't his decision what will happen to Saadia when they get back to Hammerfell, doesn't sound like the gloating of a villain, or even a mercenary. It sounds like someone who has seen justice done. That was enough for me. ='[.]'=

Saadia: I spoke out against the dominion back in Hammerfell. Me, activating a shrine of Talos in the presence of a Thalmor justiciar: Oh, what a crime.

Great video ! Two small, but (imho) important details, though: 1. The player character wasn't sentenced to death for crossing the border, they were sentenced to death for being found in the presence of Ulfric Stormcloak and his bodyguards. 2. The quest is actually quite a bit cleverer about setting Saadia up as a helpless victim than you are giving it credit for at 40:45. Like you highlighted yourself, it's not just that Saadia is a lone, attractive woman who is seemingly beset by a gang of thugs working with bandits - it's also the fact that you see those "thugs" harass the good people of Whiterun and random redguard women on the roads. And since most players will have formed a connection to Whiterun straight away, that makes it even less likely for them to rat out Saadia.

One thing for sure. They got those CURVED SWORDS

Also, Saadia says "I spoke out publicly against the Dominion; I suspect that's why these men were hired to hunt me down.". The whole province of Hammerfell spoke out against the Thalmor, which is the reason they went to war. It wouldn't matter at all if Saadia was against the Dominion because everybody in Hammerfell feels the same way and the Aldmeri Dominion couldn't do anything as they're not allowed in the province.

Since 2011, Ive always had the idea that this quest was simply a foreshadow for Elder Scrolls 6. And as time goes on, I feel this to be more and more likely

I still love that Saadia has the balls to blatantly lie to your face if you're a Redguard lol

Saadia when you just try to talk to her: *traps you in her room and pulls out a knife, “WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?” The redguard warriors when you kill everyone in the cave they are hiding and try to attack them:”we got off to a rough start, lets talk,” Yeah, guess who I helped.

“She’s too young!” Maybe they should turn off their beauty mods. Remember that Delphine was an active Blade during the war, and could also pass as too young for that. Especially with certain mods.

Kematu really being like 'don't get fooled by a pretty face. You're better than that. Keep your head up king, your crown is tilting'

I don't think anybody in Hammerfell would waste the postage to send a dead traitor's body to their last known address. I feel like you nailed it with the whole "bug" thing.

Wouldn't it be funny if we can side with Thalmor and do this quest; Saadia: "I spoke out publicly against the Dominion" DB: "Hmm, did you?"

Saadia goes from "Oh no they found me!" to "One of them got arrested" in the span of a few seconds, she obviously already knew Klamatu was closing in on her.

Yesterday I did this quest way too late in the game. Details: - Quest for finding the ring for an alchemy lady in Dawnstar was taken earlier than Kematu/Saadia quest, and it targeted the same cave (I think there should be several possible locations) - Then Saadia quest was completed in favor of Kematu. Saadia was left alive and captive. - After some time I completed ring quest and following further into the cave, I found all the Alik'r including Kematu, dead. Dunno whether this is a bug or cut sequence from early iteration of the quest development, but this leaves some room for speculations, that Saadia actually managed to talk the bandits into massacring the Alik'r and fled.

I'm a few years late, but another point is that when you side with Kematu, you may get a random encounter where some Thalmor from the dominion are sent to kill you, one of them having a note saying that you have interrupted their plans, and need to be killed.

I usually side with Saadia, not because I believe her or anything... as a hoarder I just really need multiple pairs of Scimitars

You see those warriors from Hammerfell? They've got curved swords. Curved. Swords.

If kematu was an assassin then I don't think he would get too upset for saadia death. He could take body back and still get rewarded for it

Hot Take: Kematu is telling the truth, but is wrong + Saadia is also telling the truth but is also wrong. I feel like we skipped over the part where the Thalmor somehow made contact with an enemy noble (or vice versa) and were like, "Yeah we will totally pay you for your services and not harm you in any way." Those scars are from the Thalmor 100%. She THINKS the Alik'r are assassins because she's paranoid. She may or may not have revealed secrets during torture but regardless everyone in Hammerfell THINKS she gave them up. (Also, they never mention what kind of secrets or how it lead to their downfall). When she flees Hammerfell she is fleeing from Hammerfell citizens that assume she sold them out, and she assumes THEY are Traitor Hammerfellers trying to capture her so the Thalmor can finish the job. From this perspective, both choices are the correct choice. Either she stays where she feels she is safe and lives out her life as a cook, or she goes home for trial and is found not guilty. The End.

Also isn't it strange how Kematu gets upset if you kill saadia after leading her to him? If he was truly an assassin there to kill her, he'd appreciate the help and would have no need to go on pretending to be anything other than an assassin as you just killed his target in cold blood in front of him, but instead he just chastised you.

This quest really tests your knowledge on the lore of TES. First time playing I'd heard of the terrible Aldmeri Dominion, but had no idea they had no presence in Hammerfell. Why would Saadia run from the Aldmeri Dominion by escaping a country without their presence to a country where they freely roam the streets? That, and I was quite the white knight for a lady in peril.

Also in relation to what some the player will chose, the quest is called "In my time of need" which feels a lot more like it is referring to helping Saadia in her time of need

My theory is that they are like Ulfric, they both think they are working against the thalmor by trying to get each other dead, but in fact the thalmor actually want them to kill each other

The Ali’kir don’t behave at all like you’d expect for assassins. During the random encounter, they harass the redguard woman and ask her to come with them, where an assassin would just slit her throat or snipe her with an arrow. When you encounter them in the city, they are asking the guards to be let in, rather that just sneaking in one by one and killing her. Why go through all the trouble pretending to be warriors bringing her to justice when they could just kill her from the shadows?

I also want to point out that Saadia says that killing Kematu will result in the assassins leaving but once you have killed Kemantu, the Alikir STILL show up around Skyrim looking for her.

I never realized you could lure Kematu to the stable and kill him there. For a novice Dragonborn fresh out of Helgen, the fight against Kematu and his men is one of the more challenging fights you can face. If I knew he'd show up alone at the stables, it makes killing him much easier.

The reason people argue the remains means Kematu is lying is because it doesn't make sense for the Alik'r to take Saadia back to Hammerfell, get her tried and executed, then send her remains all the way back to Whiterun. Honestly I think it makes more sense that it's a bug, because I can't imagine them even making the effort to cremate her and would probably just leave her body out in the desert.

Well, here you go. Spend it wisely, and if I may... Don't allow yourself to be fooled by a pretty face. You're better than that.

I like that Kematu basically tells you at the end "don't be a simp". :D

I helped Kematu the first time I played the game but recently I've started a new playthrough and noticing the cave is named Swindler's Den made me rethink my choices. After reading, watching and playing through so many stories in various media I've came to understand the importance of subtle hints. I mean, noble warriors paying bandits to live in some dirty cave? One of them is already in jail saying he 'got caught'? Seem very strange to me. Treason is a serious thing but I think there are a lot of different reasons for it and we can't learn a full story at the moment. Without solid proof and evidence helping Kematu looks simply like selling out an innocent working girl to a big group of men living with bandits, which is not a good thing to do, per se.

Weird. when I have asked the Alik'r to explain to me in the past why they were hunting Saadia they refused to do so. So i usually ended up siding with her because even though she was suspicious, it was MORE suspicious that the Alik'r refused to give me a reason for their hunt. The game is crawling with people tripping over themselves to share their life stories so why refuse to explain the cause for Saadia's pursuit? Somehow I just always missed the conversation path that causes Kematu to explain the situation. His story is more credible.

"The most well established and powerful gang if assassins in tamriel? The dark brotherhood" *the morag tong will remember that*

But what if Kematu is telling us that we shouldn’t fall for his pretty face?

Another possibility for why Saadia's remains would be in Whiterun is simply that she lived in the city long enough for the people there to consider her part of the city. Not knowing where she was from or what happened to her, they left her a burial urn assuming she had died in some accident and they never found the remains. Its also possible that Kematu left behind a body or something to make sure that no one would look for Saadia and cause unintended problems for her suddenly going missing in the city, and so the people there just assumed she'd died.

Kematu's big problem that puts him in doubt is that if your officially working for the Redguard nobility/government he should be able to produce some sort of writ proving he's there on official business and would have been able to present such to get his agents an audience with the Jarl of Whiterun. This is made even worse by this group hanging out with a group of bandits instead of going to a town that would be anti-thalmor, such as any stormcloak holding. Things are then made even more suspicious by these supposedly honorable Redguards so willingly abandoning a comrade, who was captured in the course of carrying out their mission, and that person believing they have to start a whole new life instead of just going home and finding a new job. Further your entire Redgaurds would never is disproven by their racial opening, where they are a race known for their mercenaries. Your scar hypothetical is also just as likely the scar is from a failed first assassination attempt, that would prompt her fleeing. Your Dark Brotherhood comment is also odd, given we've seen in the past that some races have their own assassins guilds, such as the Morag Tong in Morrowind. Over all this one of those I don't think there is a strong proof either way, to make it more than what an individual dragonborn thinks is right.

"Who will you trust?" > Saadia -Kematu- ~Choosing Saadia~ Game: "Lol Simp" |Load Game| "Who will you trust" -Saadia- > Kematu ~Choosing Kematu~ Game: "Lol Gay"

This is a really detailed explanation. Thank you! I always believed Kematu's story because of two facts: 1) When confronting Saadia she claims that she didn't know about the Alik'r being in the vicinity, but then a few sentences later she says that she knows about one being arrested in Whiterun. So she's lying at least at that instant. 2) Saadia claims that Kematu and his men were assasins and wanted to kill her. But Kematu does in fact NOT kill her but stuns her instead. If he were an assasin he could easily kill her right on sight and explain that she was already sentenced to death or something similar. He wouldn't need to make up a story about bringing her back and not harm her on the way just to get the Dragonborn on his side.

If this isn’t definitively answered in TESVI we riot. Frt this whole questline in addition to Nazir in the DB made me feel even back when first playing skyrim that Hammerfel would be the next setting - it just feels like Skyrim is constantly reminding us that Hammerfel exists and the effort they went to develop the Alik’r in Skyrim makes me feel like it was on their minds even back then.

The dark brotherhood probably only has like 6 members because the Dragonborn killed like 20 of them on the road before eventually joining the brotherhood.

As an explanation for her urn appearing in Whiterun, you can just explain it off as her going missing and the people of Whiterun assuming she's dead and giving her a ceremonial funeral. Her urn is empty.

Bethesda who created a quest without deeper meaning: Camelworks: *52 minutes of brutal, high quality, historical and detective investigation*

I think that the urn is quite simple to explain: she did technically go missing from the point of view of the lady she worked for, what if she's just assumed dead from Whiterun? And the name Saadia is used on the urn, not her real name, so.. It just makes sense

I think what proves Saadia is lying ultimately (tho albeit too late in a playthrough) is that she claims they are assasssins specifically but then they get mad if you kill her.

Bro. I was gunna go to bed. But no Mr. Sherlock Dragonborn has to upload another compelling, alliteration filled video.

Kematu: don't fall for a pretty face Me: bold words coming from that pretty face 😘

It has been asked why Saadia wouldn't just be in an Aldmeri region for protection and I would say that's likely because they no longer had a use for her and saw no value in protecting her. She was a means to an end and it is possible that she is not a noble at all looking at her scarring as you mentioned. (although we may hear more about Suda one day, she could be truthful and it would help in giving her some ability to hurt the Redguards by abusing her power) Another explanation could be that Hammerfell and the Aldmeri regions were too obvious of hiding places and she opted to stay in another realm of man that might be open and removed from the conflict she was escaping. The only way I could be convinced that the Alik'r are in the wrong are if these men are not actually Alik'r warriors, but even Saadia doesn't cast doubt on that. For a group of vigilante warriors they are actually surprisingly humble and diplomatic in their search. Most in Skyrim attack on site or at the first provocation.

This is so good! I’m new to the Elder Scrolls world, and these deep dives are my favorite! Thank you! I’ve learned a lot of lore from this video. 😊

"I'm thirsty for some jugs but it's got nothing to do with drinks." *Speech 100*

"I sided with you and you do not have a pretty face" Come on now man. Say what you like about Kematu, he's pretty damn dashing.

I love how this man can turn a less than 30 minute quest into an hour long lore dump

Learning about hammerfell kinda made me more supportive towards the stormcloaks.

Pay attention to the conversation that you have with her upstairs. You walk up tell her about the Al Akir. She acts shocked "oh no they've found me" feigning surprise. Then she later mentions. "one of them got arrested sneaking into the city, you might start there". She already knew about them finding her (and one of them being arrested) long before you had spoken with her, proving that she was acting when you mentioned them. She's inconsistent. She shouldn't be shocked hearing that they know where she is when she already knows that they are skulking around and getting arrested in Whiterun.

Saadia's burial urn is empty, thus there's no remains in it. It was put there as a gesture by Hulda or someone along those lines maybe.

I love how the last thing Kematu says at the end of the quest is, "don't be a simp"

One line that sticks with me is "But now Kematu's gone, and the rest of his snakes should slither back to their desert." No respect for the continent of Hammerfell, it's simply "their desert"

Saadia was always too evasive in the conversations. Kematu seemed like he was willing to explain everything you'd care to know (limited by Skyrim's dialogue of course).

The pro move is to immediately back out of the conversation the instant they start talking to you just inside the Whiterun gate. They will stand around there forever until you talk to them again providing the city with a very good guard against the brainless magickally spawning vampire attacks.

it's also possible that on the way to hammerfell saadia woke from paralysis and tried to escape or kill kematu but in self defence he killed her and returned her remains to whiterun

Saadia pulls a blade on me when I confront her. Kematu orders his men to stand down and hold their weapons. One of them seems guilty to me.

Redguards HATE the thalmor. They refused to give land to the thalmor and even waged war with them which they won to sign a new agreement of their own. There's no way mere septims can outweigh that hatred. Oh yes, there's more to this. Hammerfell does not have thalmor influence like Skyrim. So there's no reason she wants to *escape* from hammerfell. The fact that Skyrim instead has thalmor influence makes it even more dangerous for her if she was really hunted by the thalmor. Another thing is she is a member of a highly renowned house. She would have alot of protection and definitely enough to fight off a band of mercenaries. She had to abandon her family because they are after her too. She also said "slither back to *their desert* " meaning she does not recognize hammerfell as 'hers' anymore. Lastly the alikr warriors seem very angry instead of greedy when talking about Saadia. There's no reason to be angry about money of course. They must be hating saadia for some reason.

You could also say that when saadia goes missing from whiterun, the people who live there may just assume she has been killed, having no reason to think otherwise and so just placed her a burial urn (I personally always thought kematu was telling the truth)

While this makes me believe Kematu was telling the truth, it also makes me want to side with Saadia MORE. She was probably just some street kid who felt like the city abandoned her. Then some Thalmor spy comes up and offers her more money than she’s probably seen in her entire life to just leave a gate open somewhere or something. Poor girl. She definitely doesn’t deserve death.

She actually makes a slip very early in the quest. She mentions that they're assassins employed by the Aldmeri Dominion, and laments that they'll drag her to Hammerfell to be executed. 2 things stand out here. 1) Hammerfell is not on good terms with the Thalmor, so it's extremely unlikely that there would be a sect of highly trained Redguards working for them. Furthermore the Aldmeri Dominion had no holding in Hammerfell, as they were successfully driven out. 2) Assassins wouldn't capture and detain someone and transport them to a different country to be executed. That would be more in line with a bounty hunters job. An assassin's job is to locate and neutralize a target, not to capture them

Bro what armor mod you running? Saadia dressed like James Charles at Coachella

If you play a redguard woman with a facial scar you get unique dialogue from both Kematu and the warriors. Warrior random encounter scenario. -"Imani we have finally found you! You are returning back with us to hammerfell to pay for your crimes" then they become hostile. if you had a facial scar but not on the left cheek further dialogue occurs -"Brother wait , that's not the right scar" -" I see, you are right brother it isn't, you there move along" Attempting to talk with them again just gives you the option to ask questions but they respond with -"move along" along with "hmm","yes" and "alright then" when fight through the bandit camp to meet kematu he will say the following when you first meet -"stay your hand warrior" -"My men told me about seeing someone resembling who we were looking for but the scar is not in the right spot so you are not her" the rest is the same dialogue.

I’m listening to this while playing and it feels Meta like I’m an adventurer listening to a podcast

I would assume she would die soon after being handed over because she would refuse to go back and keep fighting until she’s killed… she made it very clear she’s willing to use violence to not go back.

I like how at first she's like "oh no, they've found me" like she was totally surprised that they had come to Skyrim... but then she's like "Oh yeah, I heard one of them was just arrested trying to sneak into the city" hmmm

Kematu and Saadia: "We have to figure out who's lying!" Me, killing both of them: *You will never arrive at the truth*

On my first run through I sided with Saadia because to me a side quest was just another chore on my quest to become stronger and slay a dragon... although on subsequent playthroughs I began to actually pay attention to the context and the lore and then sided with Kematu from then on.

On my first playthrough I also sided with Saadia, though on reflection and knowing the situation in Hammerfell, I think you're right and Kematu is telling the truth.

I used to take Kematu's side during my first playthroughs but then puberty hit me like a truck

21:15 If you want to skip the mission walkthrough and go straight into the lore

Camel, love the CCC series :) Just wanted to toss in my thoughts though. A lot of what you argue for Saadia's incrimination could also be said on the flipped side for Kematu - that an individual could be the one to be a spy for the Dominion, that all Redguards hate all Elves, and that one is only lying and the other is only telling truth. Even if we counted up all the "Alik'r" throughout the quest (the two at the gates talking to the guards, the one in the jail, and Kematu and his men in Swindler's Den) that's only about 10, hardly an army mate. Even if we counted the randomly encountered Alik'r outside of this quest, which we could still argue that these are the same men we ultimately see with Kematu that are just out and about, still, i only ever stumble upon this 1-3 times throughout a playthrough, so at least two more, at most, six more men to count among Kematu's ranks … still not an army. To say that these men represent the whole of the martial power in Hammerfell and would never represent a group disguised as such would be a wicked stretch. You equate the Stormcloaks hatred of the elves with that that these men should have, right, but they're still just people living after the events of the Great War and the subsequent war of Hammerfell against the Dominion; that's gonna leave a rift along some people groups. Even in Skyrim we see Nords and others who, as zealously as we might think they should hate elves, are in fact dealing with them, like Erikur and Proventus at Elenwen's party. The Dominion's on the up and up as far Tamriel goes, and anyone else is more than likely in a sinking ship if they don't get help. If any one individual, or small group, wants to care for themselves and says "screw everyone else", then that's good money, that's protection, just live by the Dominion's rules and you get to survive. The entire time that Kematu is debasing Saadia's intentions and your involvement with her, saying that she's manipulative and saying that you were weak to have fallen for her wiles, is just conjecture. it's just as reasonable to say that he's lying about the enemy that he wishes to capture regardless of what is true or not - if he's lying or not. if you're a hired team of assassins, mercenaries, etc. that is secretly funded and sponsored by the Dominion, that's not what your going to say, you're not going to say, "oh yeah, she's the noble we need ... for ... reasons, elf reasons" lol. You're going to keep up the ruse that your intentions are right and just and noble, which if that were the case, what's stopping them from entering the city ... a city that isn't run by the Empire, a city that isn't being inspected by the Thalmor incessantly. Whiterun is independent, you often hear the guards saying they'll take on Imperials and Stormcloaks alike. They owe allegiance to no one, especially not the Thalmor, so yeah, if Kematu's legit and he wants to convict this elf sympathizer, why are the guards of Whiterun chastising him and imprisoning his men if they all want to stick it to the elves??? At the very least, this is my biggest point that, at best, paints Kematu as lying to us somewhat and his intentions aren't wholly "for the glory of Hammerfell!", and at worst, that he is definitely not who he says he is and we should not trust him at all! Rope, shackles, manacles - all these exist, all means of arrest, all things that we have experienced in almost every Elder Scrolls game; why does Kematu use magic!? Why is a Redguard, one of the few races in Tamriel (along with Nords and Orcs) that have an uneasy relationship with magic, at best, using magic to arrest someone instead of normal, mundane means that we have seen so frequently in every game since Morrwind? And on top of that, it's not enough that a mercenary, a top-notch MARTIAL warrior like the Alik'r, would use magic, but Kematu is using Paralyze, an expert level Alteration spell. The whole of Hammerfell society at least sees the practical use of Destruction and Restoration magic, but then rejects the other three (four, however many the Guild wants to say lol), so where is he getting this gall to practice this sort of magic, let alone have the Magicka reserves to cast it, if he is this supposed "Alik'r warrior"? It's an expert level spell that, without any perks in Alteration, requires 450 points of Magicka … Either Kematu's secretly one of more intelligent NPC's in all of Skyrim or I think he's got elven friends in high places :P Still love all of this Camel, keep on making incredible things!

New to the ES games, I just did this quest and chose Kematu because everything that woman said was confusing and didn’t line up, glad to see I was right without knowing the lore. Good video I’ll watch more as I progress through the game

It seems to me the most obvious evidence against Saadia is right at the beginning of the video. When you randomly come across the alak'r warriors accosting a redguard woman in the middle of nowhere, they tell her to come with them. Why would they do that if they were sent to assassinate her? While it's possible they were being careful and wanted to verify her identity first, simply telling her to come with them to what was most certainly a death sentence just doesn't logically follow. There wouldn't be any way she would come peacefully if she knew she was going to die anyway. However if she knew she was going back to stand trial, asking her to come peacefully makes a lot more sense and matches the character for mercenaries trying to do everything above the board. If they were assassins, I don't think the smart move would have been to confront her. Assuming they didn't just kill her outright without verifying her identity, I imagine they would observe her from a distance, possibly follow her to her home and send for Kematu to make sure. I don't know. They're certainly assholes but they don't seem interested in murder. They're whole demeanor tells me they were going to take her somewhere and interrogate her. And I can't imagine that conversation going "Are you Saadia?" "Yes." *STAB*

Saadia is lying, why would she escape from hammerfell from the thalmor? Hammerfell isn't under thalmor rule unlike skyrim.

I think another explanation for her ending up dead in Whiterun is the possibility that, after the paralysis spell wore off, she could have killed herself and the Alik’r just left her body there to be buried.

The thing that threw me off the first time I did this quest was Saadia claiming that Kematu and the other warriors are Thalmor. As far as I knew and had seen at that point, Thalmor agents are usually High Elves. That's what made me side with the warriors the first time. I like a bit of diversity with each playthrough, so I tend to switch sides each time I start a new game. I would like to know who is telling the truth, though.

They should have called the Inn in Windhelm "the Mannered Bear"

Agree with everything but the scars. I think the scars are from thalmor torture. Theres evidence that they torture people for info, so why’s it hard to believe that she might have been captured and coerced into talking and got framed as a traitor who couldn’t die for the cause like everyone else, so she took her family’s gold and ran.

Cool to see all the gameplay options for this quest. Great video!