Except for the fact that the prequels, while visually stunning, are crap films.

You underestimate my power

@@DeviantDork for you.

@@DeviantDork Only in your mind my very very middle aged friend.

The Force is strong with this one.

But she's not a fan. Simply an objective art historian and critic. Ironically, it's the fans who have the least objectivity, because of all the expectations they bring with them.

@@jedijones, no just a minority of too loudy (fake) fans.

Im 5 years late to your comment..it still feels the same

I've been defending him for the last 10 years ..Im now utterly disgusted .

Exactly. We as the Star Wars fandom dug our own grave.

You're the child who killed his own father. You failed to heed the lesson of the films you supposedly loved.

Eh. The musical score is good. There is a lot visually that's impressive (but other parts look like a cheesey cartoon that breaks immersion). The overall background plot about the destruction of democracy would make Alex Jones proud. But there aren't really likeable characters in the prequels, and the dialog and pacing for a quite a lot of it is beyond awful. It definitely hosts the worst love story I've ever seen put to film. I think in many ways Lucas is/was a genius, but unfortunately he was surrounded by yes men on the prequels who didn't fill in the gaps where he lacks. On the original, nobody really believed in his vision and were surprised at it's success, but because of that they pushed back and made his life difficult in ways that bettered the film. The second film, arguably the best, was directed by somebody else, and some of the best lines were ad libs from the cast. (Most notably was Harris Ford with "I know" instead of a lame out of character sappy "I wuv u" from the script ...like the garbage lines/scenes in the prequels.) The third film (Return of the Jedi) was already going down hill a bit, most notably with the ewoks, but also the treatment of Boba Fett (already an iconic character at the time), as well as cheese details like the Light Saber functioning like a nerf bat on the sand cruiser. Yeah the Disney films were awful, and predictably so, but wasn't "the fans fault", nor were the failings of the prequels. The reality is that Lucas waited 20 years to do them, and by that time he was no longer the same daring and visionary young film maker surrounded by doubters and mentors to push and prod his work towards their best by the finish line, he was an old man who got fat and lazy but was idolized and surrounded by sycophants and yes men, while at the same time having so much money and a huge production company that he no longer needing to ask for financial reasons IF something really SHOULD be in the film, the answer to everything, even bad ideas that shouldn't have been was: the 3D animation guys can do it all in post. He sat behind a wall of monitors while actors on naught but green screens delivered terribly written lines with little to no direction, relying on his vast wealth and armies of animators to put whatever random things came into his out of touch brain on the screen, and it shows. Were there brilliant things in the prequels? Yes definitely. But they still aren't good films despite every frame being a masterwork painting and the music being arguably the best John Williams ever produced. Unlikable and boring characters, terrible dialog and pacing, and over exaggerated cartoon nonsense and silliness DON'T carry a spot on lesson about political corruption over the finish line to be great films. Let's not forget that the originals were also a classic path of the hero story, and the prequels were not. They should have drawn on standards from great tragedies, but I see no such efforts visible in the final product or though patterns of the production. The Star Wars franchise had it's time. Decades worth. They will turn out more crap as long as folks are willing pay, but the soul is long gone. Now it's just fast food like most everything else. RIP. But let us not pretend the fallen were saints beyond fault. It's disrespectful to the memory of the deceased as well as the plight of future artists to pretend it was otherwise.

@@jedijones great analogy! Us fans are a version of luke skywaker that gave in to the dark side and killed vader in return of the jedi

I agree

I remember when the film aired, people were saying this film wasn't good compared to the others, while I though I was one of the best. With time, people have realized it is a great film. Specially after the really mediocre films of this last thrilogy.

Padme dying of a broken heart ... contradicting Leia’s memory of her mother ... Vader saying “Nooooo!” Yoda getting in one more line of expository dialog explaining something the audience doesn’t need to know or care about. Sorry I just don’t see it.

@@davidanderson4748 I get it. The writing can be strange, but it's been engrained in the nature of Lucas' Star Wars. The way they speak is almost archaic, but that's the purpose. They talk like they're from a medieval poem; it's corny but suitable to the style. It's supposed to be otherworldly and hyperbolic.

@@davidanderson4748 Leia had impressions of her mother through the Force ('thoughts images feelings') and the way she describes her matches up with how Padme was last seen ('very beautiful but very sad '). Plus, baby Leias eyes are open while baby Luke's are not, which is why she remembers and he doesn't. Nothing wrong with some juicy recontextualization. And the 'nooo'? What did you think he was going to say in a space opera when he finds out his wife died? Edit: What expository dialogue from Yoda are you referring to?

Jon Favreau and the true apprentice to Lucas himself: Dave Filoni, seem to be A New Hope. They're set to simply ignore Kennedy's "sequels" going forward.

I am also pissed. But I mean we have to consider it in context. When the deal happened Disney and more importantly it's Marvel subsidiary was about to achieve the most ambitious and succesful Film Universe crossover in history of film. And there are interviews of Lucas stating that he created Star Wars because he wanted to make this modern mythology. From that point of view and at that time this was a good decision and many fans welcomed it. Nobody knew the disaster that's about to come, much like the Jedi in ROTS :D

@@tebin112 You also have to take into account that the fandom bashed and harassed lucas and his actors for 15 YEARS ! Redlettermedia , chris stuck man , jeremy jahn , cosmonaut variety , honest trailer ...etc the media all shat on him for all this time , heck their are even movies and documentaries about that : the people vs george lucas , george lucas raped our childhood ...etc . Can you really blame him from wanting to dissociate himself from all of this ?

@@stormbringer2840 Too bad he didn't get to see Camille's speech before he sold.

@@tebin112 you just waffled a load of nonsense lad.

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Wiser words never spoken.

Get this girl Lucasfilm

Facts

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Yeah I always thought it had the feel of a mass or maybe something like St Matthew Passion by Bach

Hi Virgil, your game has pretty decent music too (-;

Without a doubt. Williams got snubbed for the Oscar.

I love Episode 3 more than Episode 5, but I think Empire has the best score out of the whole saga.

The CD was badly arranged though. Simply rearranging the tracks in chronological order makes it sound a lot better. But I still think ESB, ANH and AOTC have better scores.

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Well lucas said the Star Wars is the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker

And so on mkay

@@gablo1089 kek

To a point I think, she seems like the type of person who gets kind of annoying to listen to after a while.

She's a pedophile advocate bruh

Yeah, imo RotS has both the best and the worst dialogue and acting in the whole original six, sometimes within a few minutes of each other. The presentation is often jarring as a result but Paglia is not wrong here (and neither are you!)

Also the novelisation for revenge of sith (Mathew Stover) adds even more to the film.

I maintain to this day, a full-scale Broadway Musical Opera production of the Star Wars saga would 100% work and sell very well

OT has multiple faults too.

I think you gotta just love it despite its faults. Some people can't see past the weird parts but I can't get over it. The prequels are some of my favorite movies of all time

Honestly if you watch the prequels they tell a fantastic story

@@movsestimiryan3854 The Lord of the Rings would have come close, had Peter Jackson also had the rights to the incredibly rich _The Silmarillion_ and tales set in the Second Age. But then, Star Wars is wholly borne out of Lucas; Peter Jackson had the benefit of source material. There is much to appreciate in George Lucas.

Yeah the poor fella got so much unnecessary hate over the years, he tried his absolute heart out but got blamed for the disappointment of some SW fans because his character was too young & annoying, and too competent for his age. I, however, think he did a great job & deserves respect

No because they are different movies and The Last Jedi is the most thematically rich movie in the entire saga.

@@thegoodreylo4749 enter TESB.

@@totallyanonymousbish9599 TESB is a fantastic film and should never be in the same sentence as ROTS.

@@thegoodreylo4749 oh gurl shut up already will ya

@@thegoodreylo4749 Revenge of The sith is better than Empire

They are awesome

yup

As you should.

What were the pacing problems?

Fuck the "flaws" lol

Your mom is an sjw

@@Replica_Films2000 Step-mom. Don't elevate my relationship with that bitch

Praising a movie for its afterschool special message is a lot different from praising it for its artistic inspiration.

Black Panther is a farce that shit all over African culture and history to appeal to delusional americans

Attack of the Clones though...

I GOT THE ALT-RIGHT REFERENCE AND I CLAPPED

I like it a lot. Count me in the minority.

Liked attack of the clones more than Phantom Menace but obviously Revenge of the Sith is a masterpiece

Because it's great.

to be fair Paglia is very much an oustider within her 'world'. I doubt you would get this anywhere/from anyone else.

"THIS IS PODRACING" "ARE YOU AN ANGEL" [conveniently forgetting that there was a Sith Lord in the government, as told by Dooku] "Vegeta, what the scouter say about his midichlorian level?!" [Obvious hindustani film ripoff in Naboo] Please, no. Don't gloss over that.

@@Sizdothyx SAVE WHAT WE LOVE [a hour long cantina scene that does nothing in the end] [plotholes left open by the last jedi film] [the awkward and terrible throne room scene fight] force awakens is nothing more than a copy of a new hope Rian johnson insulting fans on twitter Please, no. Don't gloss over that

Anakin is supposed to be innocent and earnest and a child. Innocent and earnest kids say corny shit all the time. It's actually perfect that a cornball grew up to be a jaded villain. Probably from people calling him a cornball. It was clear on tatooine Anakin was the butt of his fair share of jokes.

What did Susan say about the prequels?

@@lapplandkun9273 I'm sorry, but I didn't even mention the Disney-directed trilogy. Why the fuck does something bad in the present make something in the past suddenly good? Are you insane? Is this your dissertation for your Masters?

It's almost blasphemy, but I'm becoming more inclined to say Revenge of the Sith is simply the best Star Wars movie. Period.

The original trilogy is like the Iliad, the Oddessy and the Anead. Almost foundational myths to an entire culture. The prequels are like the Theogony, the story of the liberation of the gods and the Titanomachy. Episode 1 is like the Theogony because it tells about the beginnings, Episode 2 is the liberation because it has more of a focus on love like how the gods married and Episode 3 is the Titanomachy because it's the overthrow of the old order and a rise of the new

@@evanparrafx i agree.

That's a new one.

He was more distracted by producing, and running Lucasfilm, plus American Zoetrope with Coppola, and raising his kids. He just didn't want to direct any more films, which I agree is a shame. THX-1138 is amazing too. Edit for spelling, damn autocorrect

Have you seen their discussion on Peterson's channel? It's goooood.

He'll just talk about archetypal stories and link it to Pinocchio

Eww. Or not. "ITS ALL CHAOSSS!!!!! 😭😭😭"

he's briefly referenced star wars and harry potter and lord of the rings as modern myths that are popular because they got the underlying myths right he typically discusses much older stories, but he has specifically called out star wars as being good because it's "right" or "true". you know how he talks. he's never so far as i know done a deep dive on them, but I imagine he'd say luke skywalkers story was basically an abrahamic call to adventure, and anakin skywalker and obi wan kenobi were another retelling of the "hostile brothers" ala cain and abel etc.

Based and prequel-pilled

What's her connection to Nirvana?

@@jedijones There's quite a few links if you Google it. I think Kurt liked + read her books. Her name has come up a few times in Nirvana/Kurt Cobain biographies.

kurt cobain would despise you

@punkbjork You're welcome to your opinion, but don't you think that it's a bit arrogant to speak for someone else? No reason given, but he would despise me. Gosh, that's so deep + not reactive at all! Perhaps learn to meditate + get some true awareness + a real connection to the other side. Then you can find out for sure before you 👉 an accusatory finger at someone else, while not Being able to notice the three pointing back at yourself, lol!

That Batman PFP is awesome!

@@themoshpit8341 Thanks!